Indian Naval Discussion

arun · Post by **arun** » 18 Jun 2010 20:30

SNaik wrote:Tarkash launch scheduled 23rd June (previous date - 8th July).

PTI confirms:

INS Tarkash to be launched in Russia next week

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 18 Jun 2010 23:04

Yantar shipyard to launch hull of second Indian frigate

Hull of the second Project 1135.6 frigate built for Indian Navy will be launched on June 23 from slipways of Yantar Shipyard (Kaliningrad).

"The shipwrights are completing last preparations for launch the hull of frigate Tarkash (stands for "Quiver") which is the second in series being built for Indian Navy", reported Interfax citing Sergei Mikhailov, the shipyard's press secretary. He underlined that "this event will become another evidence that Yantar masterfully executes the important contract between Russia and India in the area of military industrial cooperation".

According to him, the yard actively works on the first frigate Teg (stands for "Saber") which was launched in Dec 2009. The work on the hull of third frigate Trikand (stands for "Bow") is also in progress at the shipyard's slipways.

"Building of these three ships is a principal task for the yard which is being thoroughly performed by whole staff of Yantar", S. Mikhailov said.

Delivery of the frigates to the orderer is scheduled in 2011-2012. The shipbuilding contract of three frigates was signed on July 14, 2007 in Delhi; its overall cost is about $1.6 bln.

Yantar shipyard is specialized in building of various warships and civil vessels with launching weight up to 10,000 tons; and also in ship-repair works. Totally, the yard has built over 100 large and about 400 small ships, and repaired over 430 vessels.

K Mehta · Post by **K Mehta** » 20 Jun 2010 15:45

SNaik wrote: The coverage is not going to be something like Severodvinsk launch but adequate. I'm trying to pluck some pictures from the local newspaper

Thanks a lot, its been a wonderful feeling seeing these ships taking shape from the photos that you have been posting!

For that effort i thank you profusely!

SNaik · Post by **SNaik** » 20 Jun 2010 17:59

K Mehta wrote:
SNaik wrote: The coverage is not going to be something like Severodvinsk launch but adequate. I'm trying to pluck some pictures from the local newspaper
Thanks a lot, its been a wonderful feeling seeing these ships taking shape from the photos that you have been posting!

For that effort i thank you profusely!

Always welcome!

Back to business:

Shaft and propellors on Tarkash

Brahmos launcher on Tarkash

Roll compensator on Trikand

negi · Post by **negi** » 20 Jun 2010 20:12

Wow nice pics Naik sir , just curious why are those in sepia mode ?

biswas · Post by **biswas** » 20 Jun 2010 21:01

For dramatic effect negiji, obviously.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 20 Jun 2010 22:06

It takes away the attention from all the grime usual in a shipyard to the actual event, as well.

SNaik · Post by **SNaik** » 20 Jun 2010 23:04

negi wrote:Wow nice pics Naik sir , just curious why are those in sepia mode ?

Just because they are from Jantar shipyard's newsletter, which is printed black-and-white

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 20 Jun 2010 23:10

thanks snake ji.

Anoop. A. · Post by **Anoop. A.** » 21 Jun 2010 02:56

SNaik wrote:Just because they are from Jantar shipyard's newsletter, which is printed black-and-white

The image file name reads 002, 004, 007 & 010...................Kindly post more picture if you have them.

Nice work by the way .........THANKS

Brando · Post by **Brando** » 21 Jun 2010 03:08

There is an Indian looking guy in the second image, first one on the left. Maybe Indian naval engineer or dock worker ?

SNaik · Post by **SNaik** » 21 Jun 2010 13:25

Brando wrote:There is an Indian looking guy in the second image, first one on the left. Maybe Indian naval engineer or dock worker ?

Could be smb from the supervising team.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 21 Jun 2010 15:02

The twin Screw Design is quite interesting

negi · Post by **negi** » 21 Jun 2010 16:06

Kaptitan Austin you need to take time out and crawl out of the hatch of Yuri Dolgoruki , combat surface vessels in this weight class have 2 screws onlee.

SNaik · Post by **SNaik** » 21 Jun 2010 16:43

negi wrote:Kaptitan Austin you need to take time out and crawl out of the hatch of Yuri Dolgoruki , combat surface vessels in this weight class have 2 screws onlee.

OHP being the only exception I know of

Kanson · Post by **Kanson** » 21 Jun 2010 16:44

Nice pics Naik ji...I'm sure there would be more

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 21 Jun 2010 19:59

negi wrote:Kaptitan Austin you need to take time out and crawl out of the hatch of Yuri Dolgoruki , combat surface vessels in this weight class have 2 screws onlee.

negi sir I am aware that surface ship have twin screws but I was pointing to the design of these screws compared to the screws i have seen on older warship these looks more complicated design and aesthetically beautiful, The surface area of each blade is quite large as well , quite quite different from submarine blade.

negi · Post by **negi** » 21 Jun 2010 21:10

Surface ships have always had large overlapping petals/blades and the subs have a very slow turning screw when compared to surface vessels, different operating conditions hence different design. Also from what I have seen, screws on Viraat and the Ranvijay are pretty similar in appearance i.e. 5 bladed and over lapping blades and moreover from the picture they are fixed pitch (same as the R-class and Viraat) unlike the Shivaliks where we have CODAG driving a controllable pitch propeller on each shaft.

shukla · Post by **shukla** » 22 Jun 2010 16:03

Indian carrier's deck systems tested with MiG-29K prototype

A non-flying MiG-29K naval strike fighter prototype is being used to test aircraft handling systems in the former Soviet aircraft carrier being refitted for the Indian Navy at the Sevmash shipyard in Severodvinsk, northern Russia. Sevmash announced on 9 June that the MiG-29K was brought on board Vikramaditya (ex-Admiral Gorshkov ) to trial flight-deck hardware, in particular the restraints that are designed to hold an aircraft in place until its engines generate sufficient thrust for take-off.

The yard's head of production for military-technical co-operation, Sergey Novoselov, said that successful testing of the restraints was a condition for the next contractual payment for the carrier refit. Jane's understands that the test aircraft is a MiG-29K prototype built in the late 1980s and used to demonstrate arrested landings and 'ski-jump' take-offs with the Kuznetsov-class carriers then under construction for the Soviet Navy.

Kartik · Post by **Kartik** » 22 Jun 2010 21:21

shukla wrote:Indian carrier's deck systems tested with MiG-29K prototype

A non-flying MiG-29K naval strike fighter prototype is being used to test aircraft handling systems in the former Soviet aircraft carrier being refitted for the Indian Navy at the Sevmash shipyard in Severodvinsk, northern Russia. Sevmash announced on 9 June that the MiG-29K was brought on board Vikramaditya (ex-Admiral Gorshkov ) to trial flight-deck hardware, in particular the restraints that are designed to hold an aircraft in place until its engines generate sufficient thrust for take-off.

The yard's head of production for military-technical co-operation, Sergey Novoselov, said that successful testing of the restraints was a condition for the next contractual payment for the carrier refit. Jane's understands that the test aircraft is a MiG-29K prototype built in the late 1980s and used to demonstrate arrested landings and 'ski-jump' take-offs with the Kuznetsov-class carriers then under construction for the Soviet Navy.

SNaik posted a pic of this event.

Craig Alpert · Post by **Craig Alpert** » 23 Jun 2010 04:17

Navy checks out Malaysian Scorpene

The Indian Navy got a chance to run its eye over the Royal Malaysian Navy’s Scorpene submarine KD (Kapal Diraja or Royal Ship) Tun Razzaq last weekend, after the vessel arrived at Kochi on Friday, en route to Malaysia.

The submarine has not been commissioned yet by the Royal Malaysian Navy and is being currently being delivered by the manufacturer, DCNS, to Malaysia. The Indian tour of the submarine was conducted with the consent of the Royal Malaysian Navy.

According to Indian naval sources, the visit was no mere courtesy call and about more than just kicking the tires. Indian officers gave the submarine the once-over, to familiarize themselves with the make and design and see if any characteristics peculiar to the KD Tun Razzaq could be emulated and incorporated in the six Scorpenes under construction for the Indian Navy at Mazagon Dock Limited in Mumbai.

This is the second of two Scorpene submarines being delivered to the Royal Malaysian Navy. The first, KD Tunku Abdul Rehman was delivered last September.

The submarine slipped its moorings on Monday morning.

shukla · Post by **shukla** » 23 Jun 2010 07:07

Kartik wrote:
shukla wrote:SNaik posted a pic of this event.

Sorry I missed that.. Thanks!

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 23 Jun 2010 07:17

INS Sindhurakshak to be delivered in Severodvinsk for refit late July

Indian diesel electric submarine Sindhurakshak (stands for "Sea Giant") will be delivered to Zvezdochka shipyard (Severodvinsk) for modernization late July, said Nadezhda Scherbinina, the head of Zvezdochka press service.

According to her, a dock vessel with the submarine on board sailed off Indian port last weekend and laid a course for Severodvinsk. "Estimated time of the cruise is 40 days", specified Mrs. Scherbinina.

Delegations of Zvezdochka shipyard and Indian defense ministry signed a contract on June 4 in Delhi providing overhaul and modernization of INS Sindhurakshak which will take 2-2.5 years.

"The contract on submarine's upgrade was for the first time signed without intermediary of Rosoboronexport", pointed out the yard's representative.

Being specialized in overhaul and utilization of nuclear-powered submarines, Zvezdochka has upgraded four Indian diesel electric submarines since 1997 which are INS Sindhuvir, INS Sindhuratna, INS Sindhughosh, and INS Sindhuvijay. The shipyard also continues repair and modernization of similar submarine INS Sindukirti in her home base Vishakhapatnam, India.

All these submarines are Russian-made Project 887EKM (Kilo class) developed by Rubin design bureau, St. Petersburg. They are designed for antisubmarine and antiship warfare; defense of naval bases, coastal and sea lines of communication; reconnaissance and patrol operations. Such submarines have displacement of 2,300 tons; length of 72.6 meters; submerged speed of 19 knots (about 35 kph); test depth of 300 meters; crew of 52; endurance of 45 days. Armament includes six 533-mm torpedo tubes. In the course of modernization subs are equipped with advanced Russian Club-S cruise missile system (developed by Novator Design Bureau) with firing range of about 200 km, Indian sonars USHUS and radio communication systems CCS-MK. INS Sindhurakshak was built in 1997 at Admiralteyskie Verfi shipyard (St. Petersburg) by order of Indian Navy.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 23 Jun 2010 22:23

Russia floats out 2nd frigate for Indian Navy

A Russian shipyard took out of dry dock on Wednesday the second of three frigates being built for India's Navy, a Yantar spokesman said.

The ceremony for the Tarkash frigate in Russia's Baltic exclave of Kaliningrad was attended by senior Russian and Indian military and civilian officials.

The first of three Project 11356 frigates, named the Teg, was floated out last November. The third frigate, Trikand is due to be delivered in 2011-12.

The warships will become modified Krivak III class (also known as Talwar class) guided missile frigates for the Indian Navy under a $1.6 billion contract signed in July 2006.

The new frigates will be armed with eight BrahMos supersonic cruise missiles.

They will be also equipped with a 100-mm gun, a Shtil surface-to-air missile system, two Kashtan air-defense gun/missile systems, two twin 533-mm torpedo launchers, and an antisubmarine warfare (ASW) helicopter.

arun · Post by **arun** » 24 Jun 2010 06:49

The era of the Foxtrots slowly coming to an end. INS Vela, one of two Foxtrots in service, will be decommissioned tomorrow (Friday June 25):

Navy to decommission 40-year-old submarines

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 24 Jun 2010 08:49

Austin wrote:INS Sindhurakshak to be delivered in Severodvinsk for refit late July

Indian diesel electric submarine Sindhurakshak (stands for "Sea Giant") will be delivered to Zvezdochka shipyard (Severodvinsk) for modernization late July, said Nadezhda Scherbinina, the head of Zvezdochka press service.

Shouldn't it be Defender of Sea ?

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 24 Jun 2010 15:25

PHOTOS: Indian Navy Stealth Frigate Tarkash Launched

negi · Post by **negi** » 24 Jun 2010 19:46

Btw I like the names IN came up with for the Talwar class, pretty much on the lines of the R-class.

Craig Alpert · Post by **Craig Alpert** » 25 Jun 2010 06:11

Second P-8A Moves To Pax River Testing Site

oeing has shifted the second P-8A to the Naval Air Station Patuxent River, Md., to support the U.S. Navy maritime patrol aircraft’s development program, and the company also is finishing up work on the third and final flight test aircraft.

The second P-8A, designated T-2, is the first with the primary mission system. The aircraft, which first flew with the mission equipment installed on June 8, was shifted to Pax River on June 19.

Prior to that it already underwent system checkout during a mission operating alongside a U.S. Navy P-3 based at Whidbey Island, Wash., according to Chuck Dabundo, Boeing vice president in charge of the project.

Flight trials with T-3 are due to begin in the third quarter. The aircraft also will be used for mission system testing, but the key role will be weapons certification. The P-8A is to carry torpedoes and the Boeing-built Standoff Land Attack Missile – Expanded Response.

Dabundo says that the program remains “in good shape” to meet the late 2013 initial operational capability (IOC) target the Navy has set. Reaching IOC will involve six aircraft to be bought under the first low-rate initial production contract, as well as availability of aircraft T4-6, which will be used to train personnel (deliveries of those three aircraft are planned for the second, third and fourth quarter of next year).

Meanwhile, the Navy is finalizing plans for the increment 2 aircraft (also called spiral 1) for upgrades to the P-8A that would be introduced in 2016. The enhancements will center on expanding the acoustic capabilities of the submarine-hunting aircraft. Australia is involved in the dialogue as part of the country’s discussions to become the second export customer for the P-8, following India, which is buying eight P-8Is. Another upgrade, increment three (or Spiral 2), would follow in 2019.

Next month Boeing and India plan to conduct the final design review. First-aircraft construction would begin in the fourth quarter, with deliveries to India to start in 2012. The Indian aircraft features a few differences from the P-8A, including a magnetic anomaly detector, second sea-search radar to provide 360 deg. coverage (Boeing has selected, but not identified the supplier), and air-to-air search capabilities.

Gaurav_S · Post by **Gaurav_S** » 25 Jun 2010 08:26

Austin wrote:PHOTOS: Indian Navy Stealth Frigate Tarkash Launched

I can see one more ship behind Tarkash. Perhaps that's third frigate Trikand.

Kailash · Post by **Kailash** » 25 Jun 2010 12:23

jamwal wrote:Shouldn't it be Defender of Sea ?

confusion between sindhu rakshak and sindhu rAkshas

SNaik · Post by **SNaik** » 25 Jun 2010 15:41

Tarkash launch:

http://denis-tugolukov.livejournal.com/56561.html

shukla · Post by **shukla** » 27 Jun 2010 08:42

X-post from LCA thread

Ski-jump take-off for light combat aircraft Tejas

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 27 Jun 2010 15:43

Kailash wrote:
jamwal wrote:Shouldn't it be Defender of Sea ?
confusion between sindhu rakshak and sindhu rAkshas

Rakshas mean demon.

krishna_krishna · Post by **krishna_krishna** » 27 Jun 2010 21:08

when did navy started having tavor's : (looks like it)

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_o_no4M2xEPY/T ... 762114.jpg

A Sharma · Post by **A Sharma** » 27 Jun 2010 21:44

Looks like sri lankan soldier to me

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Jun 2010 08:02

Two more Fast Attack Craft join the Navy

Courtesy: The Hindu

Two Water Jet Propelled Fast Attack Craft (WJFAC) of the Navy – INS Cankarso and INS Kondul – will be commissioned here on Tuesday by Andhra Pradesh Governor E.S.L. Narasimhan.

Conceived, designed and built indigenously at the GRSE, these small yet highly manoeuvrable craft are ideally suited for their intended deployment along the coast.

The safe operability of the new WJFACs in shallow waters and at high speeds, and their day-night surveillance capability, coupled with enhanced fire power, is expected to give a tremendous boost to combating asymmetric threats emanating from the sea and further enhance the coastal security.

The ships, measuring close to 50 metres in length and displacing 325 tonnes, can achieve speeds in excess of 30 knots. They have a complement of four officers and 45 sailors.

Built for extended coastal and offshore surveillance and patrol, with advanced MTU engines and latest communication sets, they will be based at Goa and operate under the Flag Officer Goa Area towards further augmenting the surveillance along the West Coast.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 28 Jun 2010 13:22

Sorry folks, Noob questions for anyone who wishes to answer?

What kind of weaponry to the fast attack crafts carry?

What is the role of such small boats in a world of Exocet, silkworms, Orions and heavy frigates? Who do they fight/deter?

Is this for patrol with some self protection in case they get into hot waters? (is the self protection even real?)

Is there a need to arm these at all?

Why are they with Navy and not the Coast guard?

tsarkar · Post by **tsarkar** » 28 Jun 2010 14:02

Sanku wrote:What kind of weaponry to the fast attack crafts carry?

A 30 mm gun, same used by BMP-2, two 12.7 mm HMG, same used by T-72, some MMG, LMG, SLR, INSAS, carbines and pistols used by the crew. Plus additional sailors/marcos for short durations on a need basis.

Sanku wrote:What is the role of such small boats in a world of Exocet, silkworms, Orions and heavy frigates? Who do they fight/deter?

Wars are fought for only a few days of the decade. For rest of the decade, its mundane patrolling to deter low intensity threats like Kasab & Co smuggling fundoos and ammunition. Now Brahmos and Barak are maintenance intensive toys with limited shelf life and even lower carriage life. It doesn’t make sense to wear away the Brahmos & Baraks during routine & mundane patrolling and have half expired missiles if war breaks out. So the fancy stuff is stored in depots, and low costs ships like fast attack craft are used for patrolling.

Sanku wrote:Is this for patrol with some self protection in case they get into hot waters? (is the self protection even real?)

If they indeed do get into trouble, they call big brothers like Maritime Jaguars, Sea Harriers, Dorniers and larger OPV and frigates.

Sanku wrote:Is there a need to arm these at all?

Just a notch above the best stuff Kasab & Co could carry, viz. a 30 mm cannon & optics outranging the TOW/RPG/DShK/UMG

Sanku wrote:Why are they with Navy and not the Coast guard?

Turf battles. Navy wants to project it protects both littoral and blue waters. Having fingers in all pies ensures access to budgets.

BTW, poorly photoshopped pictures of older FAC. Our PSU’s may not have mastered reverse engineering like the Chinese, but are learning photoshopping from them quite well.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 28 Jun 2010 14:28

Sanku wrote:Sorry folks, Noob questions for anyone who wishes to answer?

Let me try my luck

What kind of weaponry to the fast attack crafts carry?

A Naval 2A42 30mm Medak gun called CRN-91 on the fore link , the FC for this gun is developed jointly by BEL and OFB

The other sensors include ELectro Opt sensors , Surface surveillance radar and communication system

They should also be capable of carrying modular HMG on either side of the deck and reasonable to assume they do

What is the role of such small boats in a world of Exocet, silkworms, Orions and heavy frigates? Who do they fight/deter?

They deter (should) the terrorist ,smugglers , anti-national elements etc its a cost effective ship and rightly armed ship post 26/11 for coastal patrol , rescue operations and quite well manned ,, I can see Gemini rubber boats for special ops

Is this for patrol with some self protection in case they get into hot waters? (is the self protection even real?)

They wont get into hot water ( beyond 200 miles ) if that is what you mean and they are reasonably well armed for the kind of mission ( offensive/defensive) they are tasked for

Is there a need to arm these at all?

Yes , cant deter the terrorist without some decent arms.

Why are they with Navy and not the Coast guard?

probably due to larger operational reason to coordinate with Naval ships on patrol as navy is tasked with overall coastal security post 26/11 link

Added Later: Sanku sir just saw tsarkar sahab has answered to your queries