Well a smart state sponsored terrorist/anti-national elements/agencies will easily find a way out of BB service and can function efficiently , they don't really need a BB to remain effective.chetak wrote:Free flow of info be damned. There are other means to safe guard free flow.
No mention of CIA in this report and some other details differ tooKailash wrote:‘ISI agent’ held in Ferozepur
The Ferozepur police have arrested one Rajavillah who had been living in the town for the last three years with a fake identity of Rakesh Kumar. According to the police, Rajavillah was sent by Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) and he had been supplying secret information of the Indian Army, details of ammunition, railway lines and bridges to the neighbouring country via email.
The police said a laptop computer had been seized from the accused and more details would be revealed after investigation. The “ISI agent” was arrested on a secret information by the CIA staff in-charge Sarabjit Singh.
Sharad pawar, Nitish kumar and carrot man may communicate using blackberry to escape phone tapping.Austin wrote:Well a smart state sponsored terrorist/anti-national elements/agencies will easily find a way out of BB service and can function efficiently , they don't really need a BB to remain effective.
As long as there is a valid court approval to tap into data ,RIM will be bound by it and will provide the data as demanded , for the rest its just the agencies thriving in their own insecurity be it Indian or UAE.
This is of course, incorrect:Austin wrote: Does not speak well about our agencies interception and decoding facility.
If I am not wrong in US NSA has maintained the encryption level to 128 bit for all systems exported from US and US Gov internal communication needs atleast 256 bit encryption which is mandatory.
If ToI's earlier report ( about 1-1.5 yrs back) was to be believed, NTRO had cracked the BB encryption ( ToI words, not mine).On a related note, they seem to have agreed if you believe ToI group
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Actually yes...and the flow of tech data to brigade/battalion levels is humungous.UAV + IRSAT + CARTOSAT + Comm Intercepts + Humint + Psych Profiling of Chini + Paki Commanders till unit level.There is so much data and so much detail that our guys don't know how much is too much.sum wrote:Saar,Anshul wrote:The level of tech int available with the MI needs to be seen to be believed.We are self sufficient wrt tech-int at the moment.Infact we actually possess enough to share with the CIA/MI6/Mossad.The cold start doctrine relies heavily on tech-int.
Are you mentioning only about MI or all agencies in general ( RAW, ARC, NTRO etc)?
From where have we caught hold of such complex equipment to be self-sufficient in TECHINT? Is everything imported?
Probably RIM must be changing their encryption algorithm regularly and hence what could be true for a specific period of time might not be true say today.sum wrote:If ToI's earlier report ( about 1-1.5 yrs back) was to be believed, NTRO had cracked the BB encryption ( ToI words, not mine).
Why would BB not take those precautions of not encrypting mail on local server , when it can go to the extent of encrypting the whole range.The email servers, themselves are NOT in control of BB, indeed they belong to the company that the BB user belongs to. These servers are not encrypted, and a simple request by the police to the email sysadmin of the company will allow the police to monitor the communication.
Well that would be a bad thing if this eavesdrop is not a authorised one and done at the behest of political/bureaucratic master.What the govt. agencies want is the ability to eavesdrop without the company knowing it, doing away with the need to track down the email server owners.
That was true earlier, but currently as long as you dont belong to Country Group E:1 you can get high grade encryption, with some restriction on military etc use.Austin wrote:Tanaji isnt it true that only 128 bit encryption is allowed to be exported from US , didnt US Gov and MS had a big issue on this and finally they settled for 128 bit as it implied NSA had the capability to break these hence US Gov concerns were met ?
Why would BB not take those precautions of not encrypting mail on local server , when it can go to the extent of encrypting the whole range.
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May be these guys already have it on the quiet.Austin wrote: What about RIM/BB users in Europe , US and Russia , do intel agencies of these countries make a fuss about BB ?
Very likely, but it is also true that these agencies monitor *all* data traffic regardless and they can suck whatever they want on the unencrypted end or bug the device itself using a keylogger type of program. We dont do either of those, hence the requirement.chetak wrote:May be these guys already have it on the quiet.Austin wrote: What about RIM/BB users in Europe , US and Russia , do intel agencies of these countries make a fuss about BB ?
RIM may not be averse to sharing info with gora countries.
As long as there is a valid court approval to tap into data ,RIM will be bound by it and will provide the data as demanded , for the rest its just the agencies thriving in their own insecurity be it Indian or UAE..
)According to a proposal being considered by the National Security Council, Indian agencies may be told to enhance capabilities to exploit weaknesses in the information systems of other countries and also collect online intelligence of key military activities.
why - because they do not kow tow to uswhy?? because they refuse to part with the encryption key?? How about FUND the R&D department of TCS, INFOSYS and IIT's to come up a way to NOT ONLY crack their encryption, but also hack into their servers located in KAN-ADA, if India is going to claim to be a software giant in the IT, then it needs to PROVE it's METTLE!
Surya wrote:why - because they do not kow tow to uswhy?? because they refuse to part with the encryption key?? How about FUND the R&D department of TCS, INFOSYS and IIT's to come up a way to NOT ONLY crack their encryption, but also hack into their servers located in KAN-ADA, if India is going to claim to be a software giant in the IT, then it needs to PROVE it's METTLE!
not sure what you are trying to say here?
R&D of IT comps is a seperate activity - it can be done without any relation to the RIM business. Plus why would I do it with TCS, Infosys etc - they leak like sieves plus they have a diff task and recruitment need
there are other companies where I can quietly deal on those issuesgood then go on and do that, why make a fuss about banning RIM?.
there are other companies where I can quietly deal on those issuesgood then go on and do that, why make a fuss about banning RIM?.
The technology, widely used in most parts of the world, was delayed in Russia over a dispute between RIM and the Federal Security Service (FSB) over BlackBerry's encryption software. The FSB is responsible for issuing certificates for technology capable of encrypting data.
The FSB demanded the manufacturer hand over details of the encryption codes citing security reasons, but the company refused and the deadlock lasted until November 2007, when a compromise was reached.
MTS agreed to provide the security agency with a list of subscribers, the FSB later confirmed the device complied with Russian laws and gave the go ahead for the smart phone to go on sale.
Precisely. There are specialist companies which handle cyber security, crypto-stuff etc. Though these efforts can been started in the background, IMO banning RIM would send a very quick and direct message!!Surya wrote:R&D of IT comps is a seperate activity - it can be done without any relation to the RIM business. Plus why would I do it with TCS, Infosys etc - they leak like sieves plus they have a diff task and recruitment need
there are other companies where I can quietly deal on those issues.
As part of its overall move to tighten security, the Indian government has also asked Indian telecommunications service providers to get their networks certified for network forensics, network hardening, network penetration test and risk assessment by government-approved, internationally accredited network audit and certification agencies. The government will also have access under the new rules to equipment software codes and hardware designs for inspection.
The move follows demands from telecom operators that they should be allowed to purchase equipment from Chinese vendors.
That is the right procedure , random and indiscriminate tapping should be prevented be it BB or any thing , as long as RIM complies with Indian Court order to tap is a valid request and should be complied.What kind of access does the U.S. government enjoy?
A. U.S. authorities can seek a court order to tap BlackBerry traffic, giving them access to messages sent over the network. Officials with Research in Motion declined to talk about how they provide such access. It is possible that the government provides such requests directly to RIM's customers.
May people are taking it as a proper negative investment.They are having a put option.RIM went almost down to its 52 wk low.nits wrote:As per news article; RIM Shares are droping... this is the correct way by which this guys will learn how important it is to comply with government norms for a study Business...
BTW does any one know how this issue is tackled in US\UK as its integral part of every corporate personnel there...i remember Obama wanted BB for him to be continued in Oval office and it was specially modified to prevent hacking...
Barring Pakistan who does not seem to care about any request , the ROW has been co-operating at least if we tend to believe the official statement.Surya wrote:how many requests for terrorism or anything else made by India has been entertained??? Please enlighten this abdul
Does not look like and RIM has denied that it has made special arrangement with any one.looks like RIM quietly made arrangements with the chinese , Russians etc
Does not matter little or more network , it just proves only few countries are making fussThe Anglo countries have there little network to siphon whatever is needed (US, UK, Can andAus\NZ)
You can probably count on your finger tips the countries that are making noise compared to those where RIM is operatingNow as other countries are finding out they are making a stand
All mechanism should exist within the judicial law of the country , just few months back they were happily tapping into mobile phone , thankfully it got exposed or else they would have continued their dirty tricks in the name of national security.Regarding your concerns about Indian intel misusing - well those concerns exist everywhere but thats a seperate mechanism to deal with it.