Newbie Corner & Military Miscellaneous

vivekmehta · Post by **vivekmehta** » 23 Jul 2010 13:17

hi

what does IC stands for numbers in Indian army like IC-57556 Captain Vikram Batra. does officers and OR have different prefixes. i also found one SS as "SS-14246 Second Lt Rama Raghobe Rane" . what does SS stands for.

does other arms of defense forces have there own prefixes .

regards

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 23 Jul 2010 21:22

http://livefist.blogspot.com/2010/07/th ... -both.html

The three agreements are the politically contentious Logistics Supply Agreement (a euphemism for the ACSA), the Communication Interoperability & Security Memorandum Agreement (CISMOA) -- without which, the US insists, India's C-130Js and P-8Is will be little more than flying hunks of metal - - and the Basic Exchange and Cooperation Agreement for Geo-Spatial Cooperation (BECA). Status: no movement.

Is this true?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 24 Jul 2010 07:36

abhishek_sharma wrote:http://livefist.blogspot.com/2010/07/th ... -both.html

The three agreements are the politically contentious Logistics Supply Agreement (a euphemism for the ACSA), the Communication Interoperability & Security Memorandum Agreement (CISMOA) -- without which, the US insists, India's C-130Js and P-8Is will be little more than flying hunks of metal - - and the Basic Exchange and Cooperation Agreement for Geo-Spatial Cooperation (BECA). Status: no movement.
Is this true?

Well I have heard Indians are hard negotiators. That is good. The topic of arms sales to Pakistan being raised is happy news. That will give the US an idea of how many US jobs India is willing to support and for how long. 2000 jobs for 2 years? Or 15,000 jobs for 20 years? Or 100 jobs for 6 months? Take your pick.

I personally believe that the arms market in the world is a sellers market where if you have the weapons there are too many people willing to buy them and all you need to do is bribe your way through the bureaucracy. I believe India is trying very hard to put an end to that. And that causes anger among arms sellers who are used to having their way by bribing some kaalu beggar.

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 25 Jul 2010 18:48

vivekmehta wrote:hi

what does IC stands for numbers in Indian army like IC-57556 Captain Vikram Batra. does officers and OR have different prefixes. i also found one SS as "SS-14246 Second Lt Rama Raghobe Rane" . what does SS stands for.

does other arms of defense forces have there own prefixes .

regards

(a) IC - I don't know the full form but is the unique number associated with every Permanent Commission Officer. May stand for Identity Card Number, but this is a guess. IC used for all Permanent Commission Officers of all arms (b) SS - For officers with Short Service Commission.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 25 Jul 2010 23:20

Rohit, it may be something on the lines of Indian commission ? didn't pre independence officers get KC for king's commission ?

CalvinH · Post by **CalvinH** » 26 Jul 2010 00:38

Interesting but C definitely stands for commission as for JCOs JC is used instead of IC.

The other prefix used is MR for doctors.

atreya · Post by **atreya** » 26 Jul 2010 00:46

CalvinH wrote:Interesting but C definitely stands for commission as for JCOs JC is used instead of IC.

The other prefix used is MR for doctors.

I think that's right. Because NCOs don't have any prefix. They simply have "No. 1234". Permanent commission officers have IC, short service commission have SS, as you said. But after the short service commission period is over, what if the officer volunteers for permanent commission? Does his prefix change to IC, or does it remain the same?

Kanan · Post by **Kanan** » 26 Jul 2010 19:07

I have a noob Q ,guys!

If an aircraft of 0.1m2 RCS is carrying a missile of 0.1 m2 externally, would the resultant RCS be the sum of these? If not can anyone give the basics of the calculation?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 27 Jul 2010 07:56

Kanan wrote:I have a noob Q ,guys!

If an aircraft of 0.1m2 RCS is carrying a missile of 0.1 m2 externally, would the resultant RCS be the sum of these? If not can anyone give the basics of the calculation?

No the missile would shoot down the enemy. The others would not know how the chap was shot down. So they would get scared and stop fighting

Could you please post this question the the following thread:

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 92#p911792

Gaur · Post by **Gaur** » 28 Jul 2010 01:23

Kanan wrote:I have a noob Q ,guys!

If an aircraft of 0.1m2 RCS is carrying a missile of 0.1 m2 externally, would the resultant RCS be the sum of these? If not can anyone give the basics of the calculation?

I really have no idea but my guess is that it will not be the sum of rcs (in fact it should be more). This is because the radar waves will reflect b/n the missile and the a/c.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 29 Jul 2010 09:30

Here is everything you need to know about radars providing you are a little less stupid than I am
http://radarproblems.com/

See the following page:
http://radarproblems.com/chapters/ch06. ... c06p11.htm

Chafford · Post by **Chafford** » 01 Aug 2010 17:34

atreya wrote:
CalvinH wrote:Interesting but C definitely stands for commission as for JCOs JC is used instead of IC.

The other prefix used is MR for doctors.
I think that's right. Because NCOs don't have any prefix. They simply have "No. 1234". Permanent commission officers have IC, short service commission have SS, as you said. But after the short service commission period is over, what if the officer volunteers for permanent commission? Does his prefix change to IC, or does it remain the same?

I understand that a Havildar or a Havildar Major is an NCO and a Naib Subedar is a JCO. However, I have read that the Indian Army Postal Service Corps also have the rank of Warrant Officer.

Is this rank only found in the APS in the Indian Army, does it fall between NCO and JCO in terms of seniority and what is the rank insignia?

The link describing the post is here:

http://www.knackpost.com/Circulars/PA_S ... ATIONS.pdf

The Assam Rifles also has a Warrant Officer rank which corresponds to an Assistant Sub Inspector in the other Paramilitary Forces - it's junior to a Naib Subedar and senior to a Havildar. Is this the same rank as the APS Warrant Officer?

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 02 Aug 2010 02:35

Does the LCA have a centerline hard-point? Or does it only have the one on the left side of the fuselage meant for the Litening pod? If it does have the centerline hard-point, can it be used only to carry an external fuel tank (like on the Mig-29) or is it a multi-purpose hard point. Reason I ask is that although I have seen drawings of the LCA with the centerline hard-point I have never seen it being used in any of the LCA pics I have come across, even the static display pics where they show a fully laden LCA.

k prasad · Post by **k prasad** » 02 Aug 2010 18:20

^^ Nachiket, LCA has 7 hardpoints - 3 on each wing, and another centreline hardpoint, which can carry both fuel tanks as well as weapons. The Litening pod's pylon is only meant for sensor payloads.

IIRC, I think there has been a photo released of the LCA with all points carrying payload. Not sure, but I certainly think i remember seeing photos of the LCA with a centre-line payload.

Kailash · Post by **Kailash** » 03 Aug 2010 13:42

Shortage of over 14,000 officers in defence services: Antony

The three defence services are facing a shortage of 14,244 officers and the Coast Guard was short of 679 officers and over 2,500 personnel below officer rank, the Lok Sabha was informed on Monday.

“The shortage of officers is around 11,500 in the Army, 1,507 in the Navy and 1,237 in the Air Force,” Defence Minister A.K. Antony said in a reply to a query

Replying to another query, Mr. Antony said the DRDO was facing a shortage of aeronautical engineers and the premier defence research agency requires 20 such engineers every year for the next five years.

In reply to another question, the Defence Minister said there was no “significant deficiency” in the officers in the Armed Forces Medical Services and added that in the Army Medical Corps, there was a shortage of 388 officers.

Army open to permanent stint for women

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 07 Aug 2010 04:26

k prasad wrote:^^ Nachiket, LCA has 7 hardpoints - 3 on each wing, and another centreline hardpoint, which can carry both fuel tanks as well as weapons. The Litening pod's pylon is only meant for sensor payloads.

IIRC, I think there has been a photo released of the LCA with all points carrying payload. Not sure, but I certainly think i remember seeing photos of the LCA with a centre-line payload.

Thanks k prasad! I'm still searching for the pic though.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 07 Aug 2010 07:31

nachiket wrote:
k prasad wrote:^^ Nachiket, LCA has 7 hardpoints - 3 on each wing, and another centreline hardpoint, which can carry both fuel tanks as well as weapons. The Litening pod's pylon is only meant for sensor payloads.

IIRC, I think there has been a photo released of the LCA with all points carrying payload. Not sure, but I certainly think i remember seeing photos of the LCA with a centre-line payload.
Thanks k prasad! I'm still searching for the pic though.

Here you are saar

Centerline pylon not seen
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/media/Aer ... 4.jpg.html

andy B · Post by **andy B** » 07 Aug 2010 07:48

shiv wrote:
Here you are saar

Centerline pylon not seen
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/media/Aer ... 4.jpg.html

What I have always found interesting about that pic is it appears that ze Yell Cee Yaa in the pic above appears to be carrying a Griffin yehudi LGB (starboard) and a paveway II (port) I think....

negi · Post by **negi** » 07 Aug 2010 08:11

^ Nope it is the other way round .

andy B · Post by **andy B** » 07 Aug 2010 08:19

^^^ Errr...I am looking at it from a head on perspective while you are looking at it from the pilots perspective....

negi · Post by **negi** » 07 Aug 2010 08:24

Fair enough, fwiw starboard and port side are defined from a pilot's perspective.

andy B · Post by **andy B** » 07 Aug 2010 08:29

^^^ but I am only a poor observer no...

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 07 Aug 2010 20:43

shiv wrote: Here you are saar

Centerline pylon not seen
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/media/Aer ... 4.jpg.html

That is why all the

from me.

jimmy_moh · Post by **jimmy_moh** » 08 Aug 2010 09:30

hi gurus , i have a newbie doubt....

recently i saw man videos of HALO jump from US special forces... , but am not able find any single video of our SF.
1:which are the regiments/SF are capable of doing HALO jump
2:what is the significant importance of HALO jump in missions ...?

thanks in advance

Dmurphy · Post by **Dmurphy** » 08 Aug 2010 12:29

jimmy_moh wrote:1:which are the regiments/SF are capable of doing HALO jump

Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HA ... able_units

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 09 Aug 2010 06:55

Which plane is the one on top? It says F-3, but have not heard of it.

negi · Post by **negi** » 09 Aug 2010 06:57

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panavia_Tornado_ADV

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 09 Aug 2010 07:05

great, thanks

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 09 Aug 2010 19:42

Cross post

paramyog wrote:Guys...

We need some serious Stealth here..!!

Thats how we'll get our much needed air-superiority..

When Navy has been getting one stealth frigate after another, why has the Air Force been left behind..

Are we going to fly these planes to Sichuan and Schezwan showing off their butts with heat signatures or quietly make a killing and come back home with the pilots n planes intact.

Thats the reason why I had some respect for F-35.

So if we buy either, not without stealth please..!!!

Sir what will an Indian F 35 with 2 bombs do in Sichuan?

Or if it is configured for the Air Superiority role, what will it protect, given that the attacking aircraft that is gives air cover for are not stealthy.

Finally, if the US applies sanctions during war what will we do?

Manishw · Post by **Manishw** » 09 Aug 2010 19:47

Shiv Ji You are bang on target.

and your comment about 200 hand grenades somewhere was really too much.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 09 Aug 2010 20:38

Manishw wrote:Shiv Ji You are bang on target.
and your comment about 200 hand grenades somewhere was really too much.

Manish - we have from time to time discussed how the leaders in technology are also leaders in marketing. They spend money on new tech and use their existing superiority in marketing and media to push the technology so it is bought by others so that the money spent on research is made up and they can quickly move on to another level of tech making their own old tech obsolete.

We SDREs and our moronic neighboring Abduls and assorted turd world inhabitants will take a long time to understand this.

If you look at what they say about the F 22 - it is said that the supercruise adds to the stealth and that the same supercruise makes BVR missiles even longer ranged. Now tell me Manish, how can the F 35 with 2 bombs and no supercruise be such a great thing for India and all the countries whose citizens are being made to salivate over the inferior F 35 by the superior propaganda apparatus and fanboy media of the US?

Dmurphy · Post by **Dmurphy** » 09 Aug 2010 20:42

hehehe...funny...check out the latest post on the Mohotarma's blog!

paramyog · Post by **paramyog** » 09 Aug 2010 20:44

Shiv...

Its Stealth and not F-35 that I speak of.

Its jus that F-35 has it and I'd like EFT to have it too in the Indian Version.

Manishw · Post by **Manishw** » 09 Aug 2010 20:46

^^^ Totally agree with you Shiv Ji. China seems to be more pragmatic in their approach while we in India will always be looking at brochures and thinking great dreams while letting technology which we have today and can give a fitting reply to the brochure maal slip from our grasp.
I guess this mindset is slowly changing.

Manishw · Post by **Manishw** » 09 Aug 2010 20:48

paramyog wrote:Shiv...

Its Stealth and not F-35 that I speak of.

Its jus that F-35 has it and I'd like EFT to have it too in the Indian Version.

Sir call it low Radar signature not stealth and kindly discuss about the tradeoffs that would be required also.
JMT please take it in positive way.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 09 Aug 2010 20:49

paramyog wrote:Shiv...

Its Stealth and not F-35 that I speak of.

Its jus that F-35 has it and I'd like EFT to have it too in the Indian Version.

Stealth is not an ECM or Targetting pod that you can just "add to the Indian version". It is the air frame design that makes an aircraft stealthy.

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 09 Aug 2010 21:52

jimmy_moh wrote:hi gurus , i have a newbie doubt....

recently i saw man videos of HALO jump from US special forces... , but am not able find any single video of our SF.
1:which are the regiments/SF are capable of doing HALO jump
2:what is the significant importance of HALO jump in missions ...?

thanks in advance

SF are free-fall qualified and then graduate to HALO/HAHO jumps...if you see the Para(SF) page on BR, you'll see SF trooper donning HALO jump suite. Hope this helps.

HALO/HAHO are insertion techniques...for example, SF troops can drift really far from drop point (I've heard figures of 40kms) if they open high...they use special parachutes for the same.

jimmy_moh · Post by **jimmy_moh** » 09 Aug 2010 23:00

thanks rohit for ur reply...

so basically only special forces will be trained to do the same right...?

but what abt the soldiers in our parachute regiment , i mean soldiers of all ranks, they will be trained only for low altitude jumping...?

Kailash · Post by **Kailash** » 10 Aug 2010 12:38

Indian-American found guilty of selling defence info to China

He was paid at least USD 110,000 by China.

How do people hear about these "offers" from China? why not from India?

prastor · Post by **prastor** » 10 Aug 2010 16:21

Kailash wrote:Indian-American found guilty of selling defence info to China

He was paid at least USD 110,000 by China.
How do people hear about these "offers" from China? why not from India?

Shows that Indian Governments do not have shady foreign policies. C*****, Rusty and AmeerKhan are notorious for the same.