Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 09, 2010

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 18 Aug 2010 17:12

monitor the urdu media to see if that is the real game plan, no one in the normal world is going to buy that for a second

derkonig · Post by **derkonig** » 18 Aug 2010 17:21

So 2 Y's of the YYY are being accused of conspeeracy against the faithfools, the SDRE Y in releasing water into Kabul river & the TFTA Y in unleashing HAARP. Now, if they can fit in the 3rd Y, the conspeeracy is complete.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 18 Aug 2010 17:29

you didnt see any Yahuds swimming in the Indus last month, did you?

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 18 Aug 2010 17:30

derkonig wrote:So 2 Y's of the YYY are being accused of conspeeracy against the faithfools, the SDRE Y in releasing water into Kabul river & the TFTA Y in unleashing HAARP. Now, if they can fit in the 3rd Y, the conspeeracy is complete.

They are accusing SDRE releasing water in Kabul river as well as from Indus and other rivers from J & K.
It was only a matter of time before the Paki started blaming India, USA, and Israel for the floods.
Even though in their hearts the Pakistanis fully well know that the 2005 earthquake, and now the 2010 floods are nothing but Allah's retribution against them for exporting terrorism to kill innocent people in India and around the world.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 18 Aug 2010 17:32

menon s wrote:BLAME THE FLOODS ON INDIA, PROJECT BY ISI, BEGINS?
our dear friend at dail mail.pk is at it. Zaid rabid Hamid has also said the same. Indian water wars.

Where is this all Water coming from..
August 17, 2010
aq@ahmedquraishi.com

Junior Zaid Hamid

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 18 Aug 2010 17:36

Irfan Hussein laments yet again on his countrymen blaming the "foreign hand" for Pak's woes.

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... -880-hh-05

The foreign hand strikes again By Irfan Husain
Wednesday, 18 Aug, 2010

EXcpts:

During the last fortnight, many Canadian friends have expressed sorrow and sympathy for the victims of Pakistan’s devastating floods. Some have asked how they could help. Almost invariably, they have commented on the bad luck Pakistan has been having continuously. As I am the only Pakistani most of them have ever met socially, I found their concern very touching. The media here has been full of stories of the millions displaced by the rising waters across Pakistan. Unfortunately, many of these stories have also highlighted the incompetence of the government in dealing with the crisis. Granted, nobody could have anticipated or planned for the magnitude of the disaster, but we have had more than our share of natural catastrophes, so our bureaucracy should have been able to respond more effectively.

Above all, people here have been highly critical of the Pakistani president’s bizarre decision to continue his trip to France and the UK, given the scale of the tragedy back home. Zardari’s claim that his visits to Paris and London gave him the opportunity to raise funds there is met with the same derision it met in Pakistan. Had he cancelled his visit, he would have conveyed the urgency of the need for assistance more effectively than he did by flying to his chateau in France, or addressing a PPP rally in Birmingham.

Newspapers and TV commentators abroad have seized upon this apparent callousness as a further example of the increasingly dysfunctional nature of the Pakistani state. When Moscow was engulfed by smoke from surrounding forest-fires, President Dmitry Medvedev cut short his vacation to take charge. There is no sense here that President Zardari is in any way in charge of the response to the floods.

People have asked me why the Pakistan government has not immediately accepted the Indian offer of five million dollars. Instead, we are told the government is “thinking about it”. What’s there to think about? Surely in a crisis like this, money is money, whatever its source. It would be highly irresponsible to play politics or score points at this juncture. And how can the government ask the international community for help when it picks and chooses which country it will accept money from?

A friend who works in the US State Department was here on a brief vacation, and commented sadly on the steady deterioration apparent in Pakistan. This has been a constant refrain from journalists as well as foreign friends who have visited the country. But we in Pakistan are in permanent denial mode. We insist that somehow, the infamous ‘foreign hand’ is to blame for all our problems. Indeed, I have recently received an email with reference to a scientific breakthrough with the acronym of HAARP that is supposed to allow people to alter the weather pattern. The theory that was posted with details about this technology blamed villainous foreigners of causing the unprecedented downpour that triggered the floods.

When we blame outsiders for all our ills, there is little or no incentive to fix our problems. From the rise of extremist terror groups to the state of our economy, we look for the cause and the solution outside our borders. Thus, instead of arresting the slide, we lurch from one crisis to another. Meanwhile, friends and foes alike look on in bemused horror.

menon s · Post by **menon s** » 18 Aug 2010 17:40

INDIA CAUSED PAKISTANI FLOODS!

i think we need to tell the Pakistani`s that we are no way connected to Sarobi dam. The work on Sarobi dam is looked after by a Company Called VOITH SIEMENS, and has no relation with us. We are involved with the Salma Dam in Herat province and is executed by Water and Power Consultancy Services (WAPCOS). Its a 357 crore project that would bring in power to Herat Province.

TWISTING SALMA TO SAROBI IS TYPICAL PRIMARY SCHOOL PAKISTANI PROPAGANDA.

bart · Post by **bart** » 18 Aug 2010 17:44

menon s wrote:INDIA CAUSED PAKISTANI FLOODS!

i think we need to tell the Pakistani`s that we are no way connected to Sarobi dam. The work on Sarobi dam is looked after by a Company Called VOITH SIEMENS, and has no relation with us. We are involved with the Salma Dam in Herat province and is executed by Water and Power Consultancy Services (WAPCOS). Its a 357 crore project that would bring in power to Herat Province.

TWISTING SALMA TO SAROBI IS TYPICAL PRIMARY SCHOOL PAKISTANI PROPAGANDA.

Pakis will be Pakis, but why are you getting worked up and SHOUTING saar?

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 18 Aug 2010 17:57

Militants kill two in Peshawar

Dozens of armed Pakistani militants attacked a mosque and a police checkpoint in the northwestern city of Peshawar, killing two anti-Taliban fighters, police said on Wednesday.

In the first attack, 10 militants from Lashkar-e-Islam (Army of Islam) raided a mosque on Tuesday in Adezai village, on the outskirts of Peshawar, killing two militia men while they were praying.

An hour later, about 100 insurgents from the Army of Islam fired on a police post in Sarband village, on the western edge of Peshawar, leading to a 40-minute gunfight, but no injuries.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 18 Aug 2010 18:03

we have nothing to apologise for and do not need to ever get defensive with paquis... its our nice guy attitude that gets us into trouble

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 18 Aug 2010 18:05

IED Mubaraks continue

Pakistan Militants Attack Cops Amid Flood Chaos

Islamist militants attacked police posts in Pakistan's northwest and killed two civilians active in an anti-Taliban militia, challenging a security establishment straining under a national flooding disaster, police said Wednesday.

A group of militants first killed two members of a militia in the Adezai area of Peshawar as they headed to pray at a mosque late Tuesday, said Liaqat Ali Khan, Peshawar police chief.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 18 Aug 2010 18:11

any kammets?
New Indian cotton policy may benefit Pakistan

Free exports will benefit flood ravaged Pakistan, which lost a large crop that fuels its export earning textile industry, trade and analysts said. Trade says Pakistan will import about three million bales (of 170 kg each) more of cotton after floods from average import of 1.5-2 million bales. "If it's free now, Pakistan will seek most of its cotton imports from us but China still will be the major buyer," said a senior official with Sekhsaria and Co, a Mumbai-based exporter.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 18 Aug 2010 18:12

you see, the PN does need Orions and harpoons, since clearly the talibunnies now have a fully fledged naval assault operational capability...

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 18 Aug 2010 18:17

Philip wrote: A friend who works in the US State Department was here on a brief vacation, and commented sadly on the steady deterioration apparent in Pakistan. This has been a constant refrain from journalists as well as foreign friends who have visited the country. But we in Pakistan are in permanent denial mode. We insist that somehow, the infamous ‘foreign hand’ is to blame for all our problems. Indeed, I have recently received an email with reference to a scientific breakthrough with the acronym of HAARP that is supposed to allow people to alter the weather pattern. The theory that was posted with details about this technology blamed villainous foreigners of causing the unprecedented downpour that triggered the floods.

Precisely what I have been mentioning before. They have no friends left! Anywhere!!

The path the founding father of Pakistan took was to play one global player against another and reap benefits from the fight! But 60 years on, it has become a old trick and people have learnt their lessons ! Plus strategic shifts and advent of sophisticated weapons have led to Af-Pak loosing its importance.
Even the "leader of the ummah" thing has not worked : evident from the aid sum OIC pledged.

There you go! A moral, strategic , diplomatic and cultural vacuum is what Pakistan is staring at now! And boy it is going to be lonely! The only solace for you Pakis: Vacuum bursts providing entertainment. And no one outside Pakistan is even bothering to cover them for more than a few minutes.

menon s · Post by **menon s** » 18 Aug 2010 18:19

1.HOW DO HEROIN ADDICTS IN QUETTA MAKE MONEY?
ANS: THEY LEARN AT FROM THE POLITICIANS AND JERNAILS.

This one is from today’s Jang. It is a news from Quetta from a union council called ‘Samandar Khan’ and it is kind of sad. I was intrigued by the modus operandi of addicts as reported here: they seem to frequent graveyards where they accost those coming to mourn their loved ones and then threaten that they will stab themselves to commit suicide unless they are given money!

http://pakistaniat.com/2006/08/22/hot-o ... u-press-1/

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 18 Aug 2010 18:40

IIRC there was an article in Time (1971) where author was trying to console Baki's that separation of Bangladesh was actually good for Bakistani economy. Bakistan no logel have to worry about very poor uneducated SDRE types. Specificly mentioning that Bangladesh was prone to foods and every year one has to restart life again by making new huts. Secondly all Bakistani drama's of '90s (budha ghar pe hei or bakra kiston pee) insulted Bangladeshes as being lesser human beings. I remmember teasing a Bangladeshi as "how you came to Bakistan..........washed up by flood" and audience will laugh. So what they have to say now?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Aug 2010 19:27

Philip wrote:There were some reports of Pakis refusing to leave their "land and homes" as "armed gangs" were stealing and looting their belongings left behind! This speaks volumes for the humanity of some Pakis,the equivalent to stealing from a blind man.Anarchy seems to be prevailing and I seriously wonder what authority the already weakened Paki army-after the Red Mosque affair,etc.,will have once the crisis eases.

PS:Has there been any study of what Paki military bases,airfields,etc,have been affected by the floods? The Russians admitted that theri secret nuclear centre was in grave danger from their forest fires.

PPS:Hari,the looters were making merry with those Paki who were being evacuated before the flood aters reached their dwellings/villages,hence they were refusing to leave in many instances.

Philip, Our member Krisna annotated a flood map of TSP with the military facilities potentially affected.
I posted it in the BR Reference thread in GDF:

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 48#p921848

Also note that Sukkur Barrage canals were breached to protect Jacobabad airfield.

I am serious when I say India should expect a stream of flood refugees in a couple of months. Most likely the early ones will be the minorities: Hindus, Ahmedias, Sindhis and Pathans. Most likely entrance point will be Rajasthan.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 18 Aug 2010 19:33

shravan wrote: Where is this all Water coming from..
August 17, 2010
aq@ahmedquraishi.com

These Indian Dams now need to be destroyed.

Pakistan cannot be anything but a failed state with internet forum type rants appearing in the mainstream media.

Vinod Ji · Post by **Vinod Ji** » 18 Aug 2010 19:37

Raghavendra wrote:
saip wrote:It was sugar before and now potato(e)s! They dont need eat grass anymore. They can eat sugary potatos.

India-imported potatoes to be auctioned today

http://thenews.com.pk/latest-news/205.htm
Please post full news, newspk wont show me the news

I set my vpn to uk and it works. so if you set your proxy to uk it should work in principal but There is nothing in this paper worth reading anyways.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 Aug 2010 19:56

Brad Goodman wrote:any kammets?
New Indian cotton policy may benefit Pakistan

Free exports will benefit flood ravaged Pakistan, which lost a large crop that fuels its export earning textile industry, trade and analysts said. Trade says Pakistan will import about three million bales (of 170 kg each) more of cotton after floods from average import of 1.5-2 million bales. "If it's free now, Pakistan will seek most of its cotton imports from us but China still will be the major buyer," said a senior official with Sekhsaria and Co, a Mumbai-based exporter.

Since last year (and off and on before that), Pakistan has been buying Indian cotton. The cotton prices have been ruling high lately. In fact, one of the complaints by Pakistan was that Indian exporters were cancelling their Pakistani contracts and not committing to them.Indian exporters found a more attractive market in China since China has also been in acute shortage of raw cotton. Anyway, because of monsoon fears, India recently clamped export of cotton and now that we expect a bumper harvest once again, the controls have been relaxed. OTOH, Pakistan suffers perennially from poor harvest (BT Cotton has made Indian cotton pest resistant which is not the case with Pakistan which has been losing a significant crop size to pests), a situation now exacerbated multiple times. For the next few years, I expect Pakistan to depend critically on Indian cotton if it does not want to lose its cotton-related products' share in world markets. Otherwise, it will be a double whammy.

PS This gives a wonderful opportunity for Pakistan to threaten world community that they should force India to give it cotton at cheap price as otherwise many Pakistanis will be forced to become terrorists on account of loss of livelihood.

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 18 Aug 2010 19:57

^Thanks, could access it now
India-imported potatoes to be auctioned today

LAHORE: Pakistan has started to import potatoes from India to cater for the domestic needs in the wake of anticipated fear of acute shortage of potato crop in the country as the large quantity of crop has been devastated by the recent flash flood.

This potato would be auctioned in Lahore’s vegetable market today.

The first consignment of Indian potatoes, comprising of 20 to 25 trucks, arrived on Monday at Wahga border in Pakistan's eastern city of Lahore.

Pakistan's northwestern province Kyber-Pakhtunkhwa (KP) is traditionally considered as a major source of red potatoes during July and August, but this year's record-breaking floods have ruined the entire crop, giving rise to apprehension of shortage of potatoes in coming days.

"In order to curb the rising price trend of potatoes, Indian potatoes have started reaching the country and Monday's consignment was the first of the series of such import as other large imported quantities are on its way and likely to reach during the current week," said Haji Shahjahan, President Wholesale Vegetable Welfare Association.

Potato prices have already started surging in the wholesale and retail markets of the country, its 100-kg sack price soared to Rs4500, Shahjahan said adding at 40,000 50-kg sacks have been imported through Wahga border thus far.

He said the nationwide supply of the potatoes would be started after today’s bid, adding an Indian purchases potatoes at Rs5 to 6/kg.

The import is likely to help stabilize potato prices in the country's markets, thus easing out financial pressure on consumers already groaning under the impact of rampant inflation of essential commodities.

Similarly, prices for the majority of vegetables also surged in the domestic market during the last one week mainly due to the devastation of the crops by the flood in major vegetable producing areas of the provinces of Sindh, KP, Punjab and Balochistan.

Prices of the vegetables like spinach, bitter goud, potatoes and others have surged by 200 percent to 300 percent.

Pakistani Muslims are observing the holy month of Ramadan during which the food demand is usually going up by three to four times.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Aug 2010 20:00

Some farmer types were complaining on BBC of peaches and onion crop being damaged.

Karkala Joishy · Post by **Karkala Joishy** » 18 Aug 2010 20:01

I am not sure if India had anything to do with the water in Pak, but I think we should use that as a lever. Anytime there is an attack, there should be floods a few months later. They use their 'soft power', we use ours.
That's how dominant powers behave. This should be our deterrent. We currently use carrots and too less stick.

menon s · Post by **menon s** » 18 Aug 2010 20:01

Pakistani Muslims are observing the holy month of Ramadan during which the food demand is usually going up by three to four times.

HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE? THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO FAST?

Karkala Joishy · Post by **Karkala Joishy** » 18 Aug 2010 20:04

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svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 18 Aug 2010 20:05

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Philip wrote: . . .But will the Pakis revert back after the crisis to their old well-trodden deviant ways? This appears to be the grave doubt in the minds of the global community,which is why they are so lethargic at alleviating the suffering of Pak.This is a heaven sent opportunity for the global community/UN/aid donors to now demand a price

Looks like some of the donor countries are looking for a regime change.
The KSA and other arab countries may ask for regime change and more control over the mosques.
Lot of things are staked against Zardari.
But watch out for PA trying to save itself and negotiating the changing govt.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 Aug 2010 20:06

menon s wrote:Pakistani Muslims are observing the holy month of Ramadan during which the food demand is usually going up by three to four times.

HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE? THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO FAST?

Menon saab, to be fair to Pakistanis, this is not a phenomenon limited only to their country. This is perhaps true all over the ummah.

BTW, no need to use 'bold' case except when using acronyms or in special situations.

menon s · Post by **menon s** » 18 Aug 2010 20:10

i got that. thank you.

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 18 Aug 2010 20:13

ISI and Talibunnies are so infamous that it affects anyone with similar names.

Link

No Taliban link for city-based ISI consultants

Updated 58 minutes ago

A local consulting firm has been fielding worried calls about a supposed link to the Taliban -all because of three letters.

Industrial Systems Integration (ISI), which provides consulting services involving instrumentation, is not tied in any way to the Taliban, or Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency, company representative Dean Hotton assured on Tuesday.

The unfortunate coincidence between the two acronyms has caused a few headaches for the local firm.

The company, which has offices in Brockville, Ottawa and Montreal, is one of the subcontractors working on Brockville's large sewage treatment plant upgrade, said Hotton.

He noted that a recent international wire story, carried by QMI Agency, bore the headline: "Report says ISI has ties to Afghan Taliban."

Some people familiar with the local company, Hotton suspects, read only the headline and did not realize that the story refers not to his company, but the Pakistani agency.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 18 Aug 2010 20:14

^^ but they are working on pakistaniyat no? (sewage treatment?)

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 18 Aug 2010 20:30

Pakis are whining about the comments posted on major news articles. But true to their past they have blamed everything on yevil yindoo yindians creating multiple login id's and posting kamments that create a chot on their honour & dignity. So their solution for current flood crisis is to create login id's on major news site to promote paki image.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 18 Aug 2010 20:36

Since paki army is streched thin due to relief work and there are so many abduls that need help. Pakis should enlist the help of Blackwater for flood related work. Now they are handy and stationed near by for details they can use madam jalebi's contacts.

sum · Post by **sum** » 18 Aug 2010 21:23

Manmohan Singh whom I have always held in high regard, disappointed millions in South Asia with his distastefully ill-timed hard talk during his Independence day address.

Wonder who these millions are and which countries in specific in South Asia is he talking about?

Karna_A · Post by **Karna_A** » 18 Aug 2010 21:44

Something I am confused: Which is better?
" Why Eat, Pray and Love in 3 countries when one can as well Shoot, Bomb and Drown in a single country?"
Anyone can help, please.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Aug 2010 21:51

Folks we need a comprehensive assessment of the flood affected areas in TSP. MAybe start a blog with maps, pictures, key individuals and orgnaizations and impact on TSP forces. What is happening in the FATA/WANA badlands? What about Balochistan? Is anyone gaining advantage?

Sudip · Post by **Sudip** » 18 Aug 2010 22:11

Clashes between frustrated locals and police have begun while gilani proudly announces that they dont have anything to help people

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 18 Aug 2010 22:15

China, the "All Weather" ,but obviously not "The Monsoon" friend, has contributed the paltry sum of $1.8 Million, only slightly better than Islamic Turkey. And the great ideological and fundamentalist friend, Saudi Arabia, has contributed "0". With friends like these.....

When is china going to help? I thought they were a superpower. They want the glory but not the responsibility.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 18 Aug 2010 22:18

Now is the time to reduce the $25 million reward for Bin Laden.

Simply put: All the food and dry clothes for his location.

I say do it NOW!

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trust me, a lot of Pakistanis are frustrated by backstabbing US because its aid to India.

A lot of Indians are frustrated with backstabbing US because of its aid to Pakistan.

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RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 18 Aug 2010 22:46

Brad Goodman wrote:Pakis are whining about the comments posted on major news articles. But true to their past they have blamed everything on yevil yindoo yindians creating multiple login id's and posting kamments that create a chot on their honour & dignity. So their solution for current flood crisis is to create login id's on major news site to promote paki image.

One SDRE critical comment == Ten TFTA begging comments

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 18 Aug 2010 23:03

The flood crisis hasn't stopped the Paki leaders from their infighting. Here is CJP fulminating against Parliament's power to legislate.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/40113/sc-qu ... %E2%80%99/