J & K news and discussion

[Manishw]

Swapan Dasgupta is batting for the B.J.P. Both parties are playing to their respective gallery's now keeping bihar elections in mind.With India's economy rising both care two hoot's about IO.Kashmir is more precious than trillion kohinoor's because of the waters it provides and nobody can take even an inch from us.This drama will finish by october/november.
JMHO

[sunnyP]

Swapan Dasgupta is batting for the B.J.P. Both parties are playing to their respective gallery's now keeping bihar elections in mind.With India's economy rising both care two hoot's about IO.Kashmir is more precious than trillion kohinoor's because of the waters it provides and nobody can take even an inch from us.This drama will finish by october/november.
JMHO

+1

The government have spent billions and plan to spend billions more on utilising the water flowing through J&K. Hardly the actions of a government who are happy to see J&K leave the Union is it.

If the BJP have all the answers to fix the J&K problem then perhaps they could have put some into action during their rule.

[Sanjay M]

The answer to the J&K problem is to remove Art370.

If the KMs want Azadi, they can emigrate. They will not be missed.

[Jarita]

The issue in J&K cannot be resolved through extreme short term reactions but need a long term strategy.
The root cause of the problem is the absurd promises and actions by JLN, not 370 etc which are outcomes.
Additionally, fundamentalist sunni jihadis are just the cats paw in this issue. We all know that the parties most interested in the northernmost part of India are UK and related countries because it can in one fell swoop give them a gateway to and control over Russia, China while crippling India. And that is the only end goal. This may specially be the case given that Pakistan may be slipping out of their hands (is it?)
Even if Kashmir was "hindu" majority, some or other problems would be occurring there just like the Maoists in the mineral rich areas of India.
The solution maybe to ensure that it is not in all three parties - china, russia, India's interest to have any of the gang in that region while ensuring that India on it's own can stand up to China. The problem is that neither Russia nor China are the most altruistic countries around.

[Manishw]

^^Good Post Jarita Ji but water sir water that is the whole game.It is a tap of water that controls/can control the destiny of 1.5 billion people potentially especially with the other tap of 'Brahmaputra in Chinese hand's. I find hardly any talk about this on this thread.

[Anindya]

I spent quite a bit of time over the weekend, looking at all the mainstream English publications – all of them heavily parrot the separatist line and sympathize with them. The few editors that I know, are very reluctant to publish anything that even pushes a nationalist line, let alone describe the Kashmir jihad for what it is – a jihad.

In this line, it is interesting that Mr. Nalapat had to publish his article on Sonia’s approach to Kashmir and Wajahat Habibullah’s plans at a Pakistani outlet, known for its hostility to India. DNA-India did publish the RSS viewpoint, but with so many weasel words thrown in - that it was quite clear that they were really trashing the viewpoint. TOI published an article by Sanjay Kak – a known baiter of anything remotely sounding like a balanced viewpoint on Kashmir. Aarati Jerath and Soumitor Das quickly trash Indian interests in their articles. Yes, I did see 1-2 articles with a nationalist tinge - but too few. At least one talking head tells me, that getting on to TV talk shows on Kashmir with a strong nationalist tone is somewhat difficult. Given that many of the day to day stringers collecting data and themselves Kashmiri Muslims - getting facts out is almost impossible.

Autonomy and creation of a Sunni emirate on India’s northern borders – its implication on creating a Waziristan within our borders and threatening life giving river headwaters that sustain about 400 million people – has been discarded at the altar of political expediency and correctness, it would seem.

[chaanakya]

^^Good Post Jarita Ji but water sir water that is the whole game.It is a tap of water that controls/can control the destiny of 1.5 billion people potentially especially with the other tap of 'Brahmaputra in Chinese hand's. I find hardly any talk about this on this thread.

Indus Water Treaty discussions here
you can discuss Brahmaputra issues Here

[Nihat]

Violent protests erupt in Kashmir Valley again

and this is what happens when police arrests stone pelters, nonetheless the police need to keep arresting them and try them as they would try ordinary rioters for destruction of public property and causing grevious harm to security personnel. Nothing can work until the rule of law is established.

[Rahul M]

jarita, that's a very good point, given the strategic location of the state we would have had some kind of problem anyway. pakistan is the willing cat's paw but there are many other factors that support it.

coming to this violent protest thing, I'm absolutely against this anywhere in the country, not just in J&K. all protestors who destroy public or pvt property should be made to pay for those, with interest. that's the only way to stop it.
this is a gross misuse of democratic rights.

[Jarita]

jarita, that's a very good point, given the strategic location of the state we would have had some kind of problem anyway. pakistan is the willing cat's paw but there are many other factors that support it.

Perhaps the theory about a certain prophet visiting and dying in J&K and the aggressive evangelical activity going on is part of this back-up plan lest the existing cats paw falls apart. Claim upon claim

[Raghavendra]

Ultra hideout smashed, 5 kgs of IED recovered http://in.news.yahoo.com/20/20100816/14 ... d-r_1.html

[Rudradev]

jarita, that's a very good point, given the strategic location of the state we would have had some kind of problem anyway. pakistan is the willing cat's paw but there are many other factors that support it.

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Absolutely. I'm surprised no one has raised this point earlier.

To me, this entire episode has stunk of Unkil's hand from the beginning (circa June this year.)

For years, the Pakistanis have been openly asking Unkil to "intervene in Kashmir" by sending Bill Clinton to mediate and what not. Because of the emerging India-Unkil trade relationship, notably the Nuclear Energy and MRCA contracts, the Americans have so far fought shy of doing that by making the excuse "we can only mediate if both sides want it."

But behind the scenes, several other things are going on.

1) Unkil does not want India to get too comfortable in J&K as a result of the turmoil in Pakistan. Unkil does not want us to become a windfall beneficiary of the AfPak situation, as Iran has become of the Iraq situation. As George Friedman of Stratfor has indicated, containment of India's rise within the subcontinental region is a geostrategic priority for Unkil. Therefore it is in Unkil's interest, for his own sake, that the J&K pot should be kept boiling.

2) Furthermore, Unkil wants to give the Pakis a bone by undermining Indian sovereignty over J&K. TSPA/ISI are always complaining to Unkil that they are forced to support the "militant groups" (i.e. Jihadis), even the ones that are anti-Western, precisely because such "militant groups" are the only leverage Pakistan has to pressure India on Kashmir. Clinton-Wilsonians like Brzezinski openly buy this argument... so it's not surprising that Unkil's current foreign policymakers buy it too.

3) However, Unkil does not want to use Jihadis (the classic Paki method) to keep the J&K pot boiling, because Unkil has realized where that road ends up... with HuJI/JeM/LeT killing Western soldiers and civilians. Also, Unkil has paid lots of lip-service to India's concerns on Cross-Border Terrorism, and he cannot wink and nod at the continuing use of Jihadis by Pakistan in J&K, as easily as he could from 1990 upto 2002-03.

4) So Unkil has worked out a game plan with the TSPA/ISI whereby pressure can be kept up on India in J&K without using overt Jihadi tanzeems to fight the proxy war as before. In return, Unkil hopes to convince the "Unkilpasand" factions of TSPA/ISI (as opposed to the "Islampasand" ones) that they should take firmer action against the Jihadis threatening Unkil's troops in Afghanistan. After all, if Unkil is inserting another kind of ungli against India in J&K, then Pakistan has available another avenue for pressuring India apart from the use of Jihadi tanzeems.

5) This is a classic case of Unkil's acting on his misperceptions.

First of all, Unkil is mistaken in seeing an "Unkilpasand" and an "Islampasand" faction in the TSPA/ISI. The allegedly "Unkilpasand" faction of Kiyani/Pasha are nothing but Islampasand jernails engaging in Taqqiya, but the Brezinski-type Clinton-Wilsonians refuse to believe that. They see the "Unkilpasand" faction as distinct and opposed to the "Islampasand" Hamid Gul faction.

Secondly, Unkil thinks that by his using other means to pressure India in J&K, the TSPA/ISI can be convinced to let go of their "dependence on Jihadis" for this purpose... again, an incorrect impression.

5) The present situation, I speculate, has been launched with Unkilian funds and Unkilian management. TSPA/ISI are very much in the picture, of course, but this time they are operational proxies performing in lock-step with Unkil's instructions. They are not sending Jihadis (as per the Hamid Gul technique) in significant numbers YET. Instead they are working with Unkil to "internationalize" Kashmir as a political/human-rights/self-determination issue rather than as a jihadi Islamist issue (something which would kill its popular appeal in the West.)

6) Hence the repeated attempts in lifafa articles all over the international media, to portray the current disturbances in J&K as an "intifada-type" popular uprising which is entirely justifiable and worthy of support... and the repeated emphasis that this is a "non-jihadi, non-militant, bissful and 400% indigenous movement."

7) At home, the Clinton-Wilsonians are using this ploy to bring the (normally non-interventionist) Jeffersonians over to the cause of bashing India on J&K. In Slumbad, they are trying to use it to convince Pakistan to abandon its support for jihadis (because see, we can undermine the Indians in J&K without the use of Jihadis so much more effectively.)

8 ) In a sense this is identical to the role the US was playing in J&K in the early 1990s when they launched and sponsored the Hurry-rat Conference. Then, too, the Clinton-Wilsonians were the architects of US foreign policy towards India. Their agent at the time was Robin Raphel. Recently Robin Raphel was recruited by Richard Holebroke in some phony-sounding capacity ("overseeing non-military aid to Pakistan" or some such.) I wonder if what we are seeing in J&K are the fruits of Robin Raphel's labour in her *real* job... something that she definitely has qualifying experience for.

9) Pakistan is going along with the situation because it is to their benefit. They are probably itching to unleash Jihadis in J&K, but since they aren't getting the green light from Washington, they are content to let Unkil take the lead in manufacturing this "bissful intifada" instead. Eventually the Pakistanis hope that India will provide some excuse, either through inaction or over-reaction, and then they can start infiltrating jihadis under the guise of "indigenous militancy" once again. But of course, one thing is for sure: Pakistan will never be so satisfied with the Unkil-manufactured pressure on J&K that it will permanently abandon its support for Jihadi tanzeems.

10) As this situation progresses, many countervailing forces will come into play.

a) On the one hand, Brzezinski and the Clinton-Wilsonians will see that Pakistan (despite going along with Unkil's game plan in J&K) has not abandoned its support for jihadi tanzeems in Afghanistan. They will argue that even more pressure has to be brought on India in J&K to make Pakistan abandon its jihadi proxies. Hence, as the situation cooks further for India in J&K and meanwhile Unkil is faring no better in AfPak, media coverage of "bissful intifada" will intensify further, and more and more "intervention-type" statements will be made by Washington on Cash-mere. So far it is only the Pakis who continue to whine that "root kaaj of AfPak problem is Cashmere"... but as time goes by the Brzezinskis of the world will start jumping into the public debate to lend credibility to Pakistan's POV. This is already happening, on the part of some motivated slimebags in the UN Secretary General's office.

b) However, there may be some in Washington who see that the whole exercise of trying to get Pakistan to ditch its support for jihadis by promoting "bissful intifada" in J&K was futile. This will happen as the situation progresses and Pakistan meanwhile continues to supply MANPADS to the Taliban, refuses to invade N. Waziristan, continues to protect the Haqqanis and Quetta Shura, etc.

c) Finally, certain interest groups in the US are afraid to openly pressure India on J&K these days, as Washington used to in the 1990s. These are mainly the Hamiltonian groups who have much to lose in terms of investments and business deals if India gets pi$$ed off. Again, the MRCA deal is the best axe we have hanging over Unkil's head. It is also an incentive for the EU not to go along if Unkil tries too hard to "internationalize" J&K... because the EU wants the MRCA deal equally badly.

India's best option is to balance the groups defined in (b) and (c) above against the Clinton-Wilsonians, the group defined in (a). This will take some deft diplomacy and most importantly, a unity of vision and motivation of purpose among the GOI. If we let things slide it will go badly for us.

However, if we use diplomacy to maximum effect, I don't think the rock-throwers of J&K are anything to worry about in and of themselves. If they try to go to Pakistan to train for Jihad and then infiltrate back into J&K, we are prepared this time, as we were not in the early 1990s. We have a security establishment which has been through all that before, an intelligence network of Ikhwans in place, a fence on the border, and much better training and equipment to deal with incoming Jihadis.

It might actually be to India's interest if this current situation takes on a clearly visible Jihadi colour (and destroys the basis for the "bissful intifada" propaganda that the Clinton-Wilsonians would like to use against India.)

It seems that the KMs were relatively quite bissful when an actual Jihad was being waged, and quite happy to have the IA in the streets of Srinagar when Kashmiri Muslims themselves were seeing their shops and homes and children blown up by LET grenades. It is only now that the Jihadis have largely been destroyed in the valley, that the Kashmiri Muslims have become very brave and started throwing rocks at their erstwhile protectors, demanding "azaadi" once again.

When IA is all that stands between them and head-chopping Pathans, the Kashmiri Muslims are quite grateful to have us around, and in such situations the international community tends to see J&K from our point of view as well.

[Leonard]

Instead of using rubber bullets -- No Lathi Charge,

We should use these m/c below --> Import a few hundred of these m/c

http://s1.hubimg.com/u/286788_f260.jpg

We can manufacture 1000s of balls required at very low cost & color them green & coat them with non-halal ingredients !!!

This will guarantee, the Kashmiri TFTA stone throwers will not get 72 Houris easily !!

Here's a brief description ..

Lobster Elite Freedom Battery Powered Tennis Ball Machine Designed for maximum durability, the Lobster Elite Battery Powered Freedom Ball Machine offers features that are not found on any machine in its price range. The large ball capacity and battery size allow extended play on the court. speeds of up to 70 miles per hour. Designed for maximum durability, its 35-pound ergonomic design and oversized-wheels allow for easy transport, even with a full hopper of 150 balls. A 2-4 hour battery allows you the freedom to play anywhere at anytime. Features: Oscillation: random, horizontal, vertical, or horizontal & vertical Speed: 10-70 MPH Ball Capacity: 150 Feed Rate: 2-10 seconds Power: battery Court time: 2-4 hours Elevation: manual (0-50 degrees) Weight: 35 lbs. Warranty: 2 years

Imagine getting hit in the Face or the head or the crotch area by a ball travelling at 70 mph = 112 KM per hr ball --

Will have the TFTA Kashmiri Jihadis holding onto "their rocks" --- The CRPF folks can be far away !!

The Human Rights A##holes can chew a tennis ball !!

[abhishek_sharma]

A mother, a son and Kashmir's education tragedy

Praveen Swami

http://www.hindu.com/2010/08/17/stories ... 371400.htm

[Raghavendra]

Militant hideout unearthed in Doda http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article575763.ece

Armed militants present among protestors in J-K: Govt http://in.news.yahoo.com/20/20100817/14 ... tes_1.html

[ramana]

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Current problem is due to Omar Abdullah betraying his backers due to lack of experience in dealing with slime ball opponents and terrorists. OA is not suited for the cauldron of Kashmir politics. By calling for the removal of Indian military without realising the 'quiet' was temporay, he has scored a self goal. Now every person opposed to his family rule is working overtime to make him fail. I think there were fellow travellers in New Delhi (INC and babucracy) who also misread the situation due to too much Roof Afza in the WKK mushairas.

If the IA is sent back to restore order then it becomes a face losing exercise. Fortunately the 'stone throwing' tactic a la 'intefada' was defused by allowing it and showing the press that it was the security forces were the ones suffering the injuries.

Need to send him out as Ambassador to New Zealand or Fiji and bring back his papa.

Didnt want to be right on this. However
Sandhya Jain writes in Pioneer

Sheikdom Crumbles

Sheikhdom crumbles

Sandhya Jain

Omar Abdullah is heading a lame duck regime, incapable of controlling the Lashkar-driven violence in Kashmir Valley

The political situation in Jammu & Kashmir, where the Valley continues to witness relentless separatist-sponsored violence and attacks on security forces, remains extremely fluid. For a while it seemed Chief Minister Omar Abdullah may just put in his papers and Governor NN Vohra take charge of the administration. Even if that does not happen, Mr Omar Abdullah will be heading a lame duck regime, incapable of controlling the Lashkar-driven violence in the Valley. Indeed, were it not for the fact that certain quarters in New Delhi are reluctant to admit that a young dynast could be unequal to a job presumed to be a birthright, Mr Omar Abdullah would have exited long ago.

For one who impressed the glitterati with the belligerence with which he declared in Parliament in 2008 that not an inch of land would be given to Amarnath yatris, Mr Omar Abdullah’s fall has been rather precipitous. Even partisan commentators admit he does not get along with Cabinet or party colleagues, and is out of his depth in handling the crisis.

On Friday, August 13, he ‘postponed’ the daily meeting of the Unified Command, which comprises top State Intelligence Bureau, Jammu & Kashmir Police, CRPF, BSF and Army bosses, on grounds of law and order pressures. But sources in Srinagar say that though Mr Omar Abdullah holds the Home portfolio, he is reluctant to take decisions and responsibility to control the lawless mobs. Perhaps he has lost his nerve; perhaps he believes lawlessness will fulfil his grandfather’s dream of an independent Kashmir closely aligned with Pakistan.

Anyone who has studied the exchanges between the National Conference, Constituent Assembly member Gopalaswami Ayyangar and the States Ministry would know how Sheikh Abdullah reneged on every commitment made personally to Jawaharlal Nehru and Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel, and refused to allow proper integration of the State into the Union.

This divisive mentality deeply pervades the State’s Sunni elite which (like the elite in Delhi, unfortunately), is cultivated by the West for geopolitical purposes. Louis Mountbatten failed to get Maharaja Hari Singh to opt for Pakistan or be independent; this remains the goal of the Anglo-American imperial enterprise. The West’s growing confrontation with China for Tibet, and desire for Afghanistan’s vast mineral wealth, makes an independent Kashmir an urgent desideratum. It needs a satellite nation to serve as military base.

As a necessary prelude, the opinion-making industry has to be pushed into top gear. Useful idiots are aplenty. The Wall Street Journal is currently promoting Kashmiri Muslim journalist-turned-novelist Basharat Peer on its blog India Real Time. Peer’s Curfewed Night narrates Kashmir’s growing Intifada, the departure of young boys to the ‘other side’ for arms training to kill civilians in India, and the return of those not tough enough. It describes the inventive use of local radio in Occupied Kashmir to inform families that the ‘missing’ one is safe in the bosom of jihad trainers.

Most remarkable is the complete omission of the rape, brutality and genocide that drove the miniscule Pandit community out of the Valley; the unwillingness of Muslim civil society to stand up for human values; and, the combined reluctance and inability of families to prevent youth from crossing the border, to be transformed into killers.

Yet Basharat Peer demands sympathy for this intolerant community, fattened for over six decades with the hard-earned money of the Indian, mainly Hindu, taxpayer. Ensconced in New York as fellow of George Soros’ Open Society Institute, which played a lead role in the Coloured Revolutions in former Soviet Republics (Uzbekistan escaped after Mr Mikhail Gorbachev told Mr Islam Karimov to expel the Open Society), Basharat Peer plans to write about ‘Kashmiris living under Indian rule’ — shame.

Basharat Peer claims the militancy in the Valley (read religious hysteria that ethnic-cleansed the Valley of its Hindu population) is a ‘political response’ to an alleged erosion of Kashmir’s autonomy and democratic political space. And stone-throwing, he says, is just a continuation of the demand for azadi. He blames the Army for civilian killings (“unabated human rights violations”) caused while restoring order. Not a word on Lashkar renting mobs of the kind we last saw in Nepal, where the monarchy was successfully driven out of the palace and the country surrendered to lasting chaos.

The Open Society Institute’s divisive agenda is clearly visible in Basharat Peer’s assertion that Kashmiri Muslims are very different from ‘Indian’ Muslims, as the former do not want to be ruled by India, while Indian Muslims chose to remain in India after the partition. This is the new myth we will be lulled with until the next Intifada begins in Aligarh.

Basharat Peer says that living in New York he has no problems with the attitude of the Western world to Muslims in general as, in his incarnation as a writer, he doesn’t ever have to think about religion. If that were true, why would the Open Society Institute enroll him to write about his Kashmiri Muslim community?

When will India wake up to the fifth column role of Indians abroad? Choudhary Rahmat Ali was a ‘student’ in London when he invented the concept of Pakistan (more likely he accepted a brief from MI-5, just as Aga Khan accepted a signal to petition the Viceroy at Shimla and set up the Muslim League). Mohammed Ali Jinnah was practicing law for six years in London when he suddenly returned to India as saviour of the moribund Muslim League, to inexplicable success, one might add. Today, the diaspora is being richly funded in America.

What takes the cake is Basharat Peer’s declaration that, “I still have an Indian passport as that is the only travel document available to anyone from the Indian-controlled-part of Kashmir. The question of my nationality continues to be a matter of dispute.”

This searing contempt for his native land sparked outrage in India. One reader wrote that radical Kashmiri Muslims work in tandem with jihadi forces to destabilise the state and nation. He said that while in India, Basharat Peer was employed in top media houses because his father is an IAS officer; currently he is a Secretary in Jammu & Kashmir.

Mr Omar Abdullah and the political establishment of Jammu & Kashmir must tell us if Basharat Peer’s nationality is disputed, does the dispute also encompass his father’s nationality? This deserves the attention of the Prime Minister and President of India. How can they countenance continuation of an IAS officer with an ingrate son working openly against national unity and territorial integrity from foreign soil?

A lot to think about. Most likely the new rock throwing epsiode was massa inspired to bring back disorder to Kashmir. After all Hurrirats are US brainchild mid-wifed by Robin Raphael while in New Delhi.
And the idea od rock trowing was symbolic connection to Palestine intifida.
And now we have WSJ operating an India edition and abusing freedom of press to preach sedition.

[Kanson]

Omar suffer from the same Kashmir politics. However there was some hope due to some of his brinkmanships earlier. But he couldnt rise above. Anyone who is the son of the soil and doesnt suffer from the Kashmir politics is the right person. To do that, either it has to be some willing puppet acting like CM and the real administrator working behind the scene or it has to be president rule. There is one more indigenous route. Make the Kashmiris a minority in the J&K state by increasing the assembly seats in favour of non kashmiris. This will take care of the vote bank politics.

[Nihat]

Where does 'restraint' end, Mr Chidambaram?

[abhishek_sharma]

Inside the Islamist resurgence in Sopore
Praveen Swami

http://www.hindu.com/2010/08/18/stories ... 471400.htm

[Airavat]

Shoe thrower was police hero, pardoned by Omar

Saved the life of then DGP Saxena in 1992. Outrageous that in a state where militants get jobs and pensions, this guy had to spend so much of his own money in litigation.

[Sanjay M]

You find it outrageous that shoe-thrower is having to spend money in litigation?
I find what he shouted to be outrageous:

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/Story ... pirit.html

The suspended head constable then raised pro-freedom slogans and waved a black flag. "We want freedom," shouted Jan as he was whisked away to the Shergari police station.

This is your hero??? I don't consider separatists to be heroes. He's no hero to me.

[Raghavendra]

Police arrest wanted stone pelter in Kupwara http://in.news.yahoo.com/139/20100817/8 ... -in_1.html

"During the raid the police party was fired upon by some unidentified militants under the cover of darkness, resulting in injury to one Sg. Ct Abdul Ahad in his left shoulder," said a release.


Mob attacks police vehicle at Palhalan in J-K http://in.news.yahoo.com/139/20100817/8 ... hal_1.html

[Mauli]

North Kashmir residents beaten up

http://thehindu.com/news/national/article576711.ece

Kashmiriyat in action.

[jagga]

Why Kashmir's survivors want to return to the streets
Soutik Biswas "Brown Sahib" comes out every 3-4 days with an article on Kashmir. Brown Sahib ends the article with below line

It is a sentiment which, many anal-ysts feel, Delhi is not paying enough heed to.

[Philip]

The Congress must share a major part of the blame for neglect of the J&K issue.If the bilions spent on the state have truly reached the people and are bettering their lives,then we would have little to worry about.A few days ago,a gent. from the N-East was giving me a first hand account of the neglect of that region,where the infrastructure is pathetic.No hospitals,etc.,etc.No wonder he said that many of the various tribes described "Delhi" as "India",,when a person travelled outside their state.Like the CAG, an account to parliament should be made as to where all the aid given by the various govts. of the past have actually gone to.It might make intersting reading.

In J&K,however,law and order matters should be handled with the latest civil-unrest tech. and weaponry.Plus those who are guilty of causing/creating the disturbances should be "deported" from the State/Valley! Gilani and others of his ilk who say openly that J&K is not part of India should be tried for treason,sentenced and deported to our equivalent of Devil's Island.One good place would be the A&N islands inhabited by "hostiles" who shoot arrows at outsiders and are left firmly alone.This would be a good "beach resort " to send these worthy Kashmiri "freedom fighters" to!

I also don't know why the battles between trapped Paki terrorists and our forces have to "rage on for days".Once the "Porcus Pakistanicus" have been trapped,we should ,if they've not been despatched within a reasonable time,ATGMs should be used or we should call in for air support in the form of armed helos or COIN aircraft to blitz the building where the squealers are hiding.I can understand if hostages have been taken,but in most cases the trapped terrorists are alone and the more battle lingers on,the more casualties can occur amongst our forces.

[sunnyP]

You find it outrageous that shoe-thrower is having to spend money in litigation?
I find what he shouted to be outrageous:

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/Story ... pirit.html

The suspended head constable then raised pro-freedom slogans and waved a black flag. "We want freedom," shouted Jan as he was whisked away to the Shergari police station.

This is your hero??? I don't consider separatists to be heroes. He's no hero to me.

What this man has turned out to be today is a different matter but his actions in 1992 were certainly heroic and I don't think there is any shame in acknowledging this.

Jan, who hails from Ajas area in Bandipora district, was hailed as a hero of the very police department on January 24, 1992 when he played a pivotal role in saving the life of then Director General of Police (DGP) J N Saxena, highly placed sources said.

Saxena had received serious injuries in a bomb blast triggered by militants inside the Police Headquarters at Batamaloo during a meeting of the top police brass just two days ahead of the Republic Day function, the sources said.

Jan had reportedly carried Saxena in his arms quite some distance towards the hospital before he was put on a vehicle to hospital. The suspended Head Constable had then ran back and saved as much of the property and record of the police department as he could, the sources said.

[Pranav]

9 Pak ultras freed, deportation today
37 more to be released, consular access on Aug 24

JAMMU, Aug 17: Even as the Central Government continued to blame Pakistan for running terror camps and other infrastructure to foment trouble in India especially Jammu and Kashmir and blamed militants for facilitating stone pelting and street protests in the Valley, it has decided to release 46 more Pakistani militants and illegal border crossers arrested in Jammu and Kashmir for past several years for their involvement in subversive activities

http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/web1/10aug18/news.htm#4

[Pranav]

Inside the Islamist resurgence in Sopore
Praveen Swami

http://www.hindu.com/2010/08/18/stories ... 471400.htm

See particularly the video of the terrorists beating villagers at: http://www.hindu.com/2010/08/18/stories ... 471400.htm

[vijayk]

http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.co ... on-kashmir
An unprecedented dialogue on Kashmir

In an unprecedented turn of events, it was for Nitin Gadkari to make a move and have us invite the youth of Kashmir and have them engaged in an dialogue, which was described by the vice-chancellor of Islamic University, Prof Siddiq Wahid, as unprecedented and the most useful interaction ever held. Nitin Gadkari said: "Why don't they speak what they want to speak in a free and frank atmosphere, and we will say what we think and believe to be the best solution for Kashmir." It set the tone of the dialogue and the students — all brilliant, power-packed with views, pursuing their master's and PhDs in various subjects including journalism, engineering, MBA and science — gathered in Delhi on August 17 in what can be termed as a historic ice-breaking moment.

[ramana]

Inside the Islamist resurgence in Sopore
Praveen Swami

http://www.hindu.com/2010/08/18/stories ... 471400.htm

See particularly the video of the terrorists beating villagers at: http://www.hindu.com/2010/08/18/stories ... 471400.htm

One has to put it in context witht he meltdown in TSP on mulitple fronts and the fact that uncle doesn't want India to get any advantage. Further British surveys have shown that Hurrirats are severely marginalised in the Kashmiri psyche. To me the key clue is the preferred form of protest of stone throwing which evokes memories of Palestine 'intifada'.

Its not local idea but foreign inspired. Someone wants the global ummah to resonate and keep the Kashmir pot boiling.

[Jarita]

^^^ No mystery around who the someone is. If China becomes independent enough they will hopefully give that "someone" a big jhapad sometime soon.
Else, we'll have to ensure that the masses know who the "someone" is so that their business interests in heathen areas across the world are screwed.

[abhishek_sharma]

Inside Kashmir's New Islamist movement
Praveen Swami

http://www.hindu.com/2010/08/19/stories ... 591400.htm

[sum]

Inside Kashmir's New Islamist movement
Praveen Swami

http://www.hindu.com/2010/08/19/stories ... 591400.htm

Have our agencies dismantled their networks in Sopore and just sitting by watching as it seems to be becoming a "liberated zone"?

Strange that all the Praveen Swami articles only mention the Islamists running amok in Sopore etc but absolutely no mention of even a semblance of countermeasures by the Govt?

[abhishek_sharma]

An unprecedented dialogue on Kashmir

http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.co ... on-kashmir

Pretty good!

[Neshant]

An unprecedented dialogue on Kashmir

I did not see anything unprecedented in that article.

It was run of the mill stuff.

[Anindya]

A slightly different version on the same dialogue...
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1100819/j ... 828490.jsp

First the takleef....

A BJP initiative to reach out to Muslims in Kashmir faltered after a Valley student delegation objected to Pandits being invited to the interactive session organised by the party today.

Soon, the standard and obligatory denials start....

Pandits retorted that the demand for independence was uncalled for. “Kashmir is an integral part of India and it should be like that. Our families were forced to leave the Valley and have been living in exile in their own country,” said Radhika Kaul, who stays in Delhi with her parents.

The students objected. “Nobody has been forced to leave Kashmir...

[manjgu]

the role of mosque in formenting trouble needs to be documented, plus the role of religious leaders.
the persons who talk of winning hearts/minds of kashmiri should be told thats its impossible.. as the hearts/minds are being poisoned by the masjid/imams !

[negi]

This is what happens when instead of putting a bullet right between the eyes of terrorists
administration waxes eloquent on 'soothing touch'.

Inside Kashmir's New Islamist movement

SRINAGAR: Irshad Zargar had an explanation for the neat, bound file in his home with the names, addresses and photographs of 740 Srinagar residents: they were aspirants, he told investigators after his arrest in February, for start-up bank loans for local artisans.

But as their investigation moved forward, police say, it became clear that the dossier was in fact an organisational chart of one of the multiple Islamist networks that had spearheaded the violence in Kashmir towns this summer.

Police say they also found maps of the best place to stage clashes with police and evidence of funds being transferred from overseas. The funds had paid for the Maruti jeep Zargar used to visit cadre — fitted, ironically, with a red police beacon.

There's little doubt that the large-scale street violence in Kashmir — fuelled by urban deprivation, human rights abuses and, above all, the often-indiscriminate use of lethal force against protesters — have a reach and legitimacy that no organisation can account for. But the Zargar case shows that hard work went into building the networks that gave the protests direction and focus.

Fugitive Islamist leader Masrat Alam Bhat, his colleague Asiya Andrabi and their jailed mentor Ashiq Husain Faktoo are at the heart of the New Islamist movement that runs these networks.

[Mahendra]

Embrace Islam or leave Valley, Sikhs threatened

[abhishek_sharma]

The autumn of Kashmir's Islamist patriarch?
Praveen Swami

http://www.hindu.com/2010/08/20/stories ... 111500.htm