Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 2010

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 09 Sep 2010 06:56

Clinton emphasises Pakistan partnership

Madam Clinton's old wine in new bottle about trust deficit and blah blah

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 09 Sep 2010 07:05

Interesting article on Gilgit Baltistan
PART 1

'Pakistan, China must leave Gilgit-Baltistan'

Gilgit Baltistan, high in the northern ranges of Kashmir, has been in the news of late due to the reported presence of a large number of Chinese troops there. Senge Hasan Sering, the director of the Gilgit Baltistan National Congress, believes the number of Chinese troops in the region could be lot more than 11,000.

Tell us about Gilgit Baltistan, and your interest in Kashmir.

Gilgit-Baltistan is part of the former Princely State of Jammu & Kashmir, and we have been affected deeply by the unresolved issue. As a cultural and human rights defender, I have great interest in the Kashmir issue. The interest also stems from the fact that the Sufis and Shias of Gilgit-Baltistan share religious ties with Kashmiris and Ladakhis. Ethnically and linguistically, the people of Baltistan are related to the Ladakhis while the people of Gilgit, Chitral and Kashmir are Dardic, who speak related languages. All our historical trade routes open towards Ladakh, Kashmir and Tibet. Kashmir and Tibet gave us civilization, which is now plagued by violence, extremism and drug culture introduced by Pakistanis.

We want to re-establish relations with other parts of Jammu & Kashmir to revive our social values and traditions. The socio-economic development of Gilgit-Baltistan is something that every citizen of the region, including myself, aspires for. We believe that opening of the Line of Control and resumption of trade over the historical trade routes between Gilgit-Baltistan and Ladakh are critical for alleviating economic hardships, especially in the districts of Astore, Skardo, Kharmang, Gangche and Shingo-Shigar.

Hence, resuming links with Kashmir will help solve both socio-political as well as economic problems of Gilgit-Baltistan.

PART 2

'Pakistan's foundations are flawed'

I would recommend these articles as they do offer an insiders perspective of the lost region we know little about

arun · Post by **arun** » 09 Sep 2010 07:11

X Posted. The flood induced bonanza continues. The Air Force of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan scoops up 10 second hand Alouette III helicopters for free from the Swiss:

Swiss give helicopters to Pakistan

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 09 Sep 2010 07:21

anupmisra wrote:
Brad Goodman wrote:Funny I always thought paki's took offensive to be called as "paki" but seems like now they have taken a liking to it

Culture of Corruption is deep-rooted in Pak

Look at the banner held up by a student on 1st slide.
Those are "paki" college education standards for you.

Anup there is one fallout of this that we have not discussed at length here. The total "mass" (numbers) of technically educated Pakis is actually minuscule. The reason I mention this here is that yesterday I was reading something (online in another forum) about Indian nuke weapons testing and deterrence and saw the usual angst and lack of confidence in Indian nukes. It suddenly struck me that for all the hundreds of analyses about Indian tests and the Indian deterrent written by (retired) Indian armed forces people, Indian scientists, analysts, media and enthusiasts, dissecting every little detail and nuance - you find that next to nothing has appeared from Pakistan on the subject. Media and enthusiasts have written little of note.

The only two consistent sources of info about Paki nukes is Hudoodbhoy and Xerox himself. What is worse - and fit in well with what has been discussed in this thread about the "Romance of Packeestan" and the ignoring of anything bad from Pakistan - very very little has appeared out of Western analysts either - while many have had enough takleef to join Indians in dissing any Indian effort and proving the fizzle. It's almost like "You laugh and the world laughs with you. You cry and you cry alone"

If you go back to the events of 1998 and revisit Pakii tests you find that only one test was done, but was called as 6 tests and the seismic signature of that one test indicated about half the yield of Pokhran I of 11 May 1998. Not a chirp of analysis about this from anywhere. I would be glad to be proven wrong. All that I hear on this issue only supports the people who do not wish to say anything - i.e "Oh Pakistan got its nukes from China so we need not look at any further details". But it is curious that there is no Paki analysis and that fits in well with the minisucle technical base of Packeeland.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 09 Sep 2010 07:24

krisna wrote:Bookies 'took out Woolmer, Cronje'

Folks - this is great psy-ops material. Please link it from facebook. blogs, wherever necessary so it gets a lot of eyeballs.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 09 Sep 2010 07:37

Brad Goodman wrote:Clinton emphasises Pakistan partnership

Madam Clinton's old wine in new bottle about trust deficit and blah blah

I was like what the hell "Madam Clinton's old wine in new bottle about thrust deficit and blah blah

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 09 Sep 2010 07:42

Muppalla wrote:Pakistan stares into a void - By Syed Saleem Shahzad

Two interesting points:

First:

None of the villagers owned farmland - they were all laborers.

"All farms belong to the feudals of Nowshera city. We are laborers. After six months, we are bound to pay Ijarah [an agreed amount of money] to the landowner. No matter that the flood has destroyed everything, we still have to pay the Ijarah," a visibly upset Ibrar said.

Hussain and his fellow villagers had no idea where they would get the money to pay the Ijarah, but they were determined to get it somehow.

This is a big issue all over the country, especially in southern Sindh province. Many people have left the fields and moved to the southern port city of Karachi, saying they do not want to have to pay Ijarah as the land on which they had worked had been lost.

Second and this is what amazes me - the blatant hypocrisy that we SDREs miss as we wallop ourselves in sorrow and self doubt

General Hamid Gul, a former director general of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), spoke to Asia Times Online about the challenges ahead for Pakistan.

"The situation is very complex. Nobody is in a position to bring about any change, not even the military," said Gul, who recently joined the editorial board of directors of Veterans Today, a network of web sites that serves the veterans community of the US military.

Veterans today is:
http://www.veteranstodaynetwork.com/

We are a full service network of 63 web sites that service the U.S. Military Veterans Community

And Hamid Gul - a so called anti-West hawk and Taliban supporter actually gets employed by these guys. Flipping heck - see the depth of love for Pakistan's extremists that the US maintains

http://www.veteranstodaynetwork.com/201 ... day-board/

Veterans Today (http://www.veteranstoday.com) is pleased to announce the appointment of Lt. General Hamid Gul, former head of Pakistan’s ISI (Inter-Services Intelligence), to its Editorial Board of Directors, joining, among others, Jeff Gates, Dr. Alan Sabrosky, Col. Jim Hanke, Gordon Duff, Khalil Nouri and Col. Eugene Khrushchev.

Gul began his military career in 1958 and helped lead forces allied to the United States during the effort to end the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.

Hamid Gul Veterans Today Board

Controversial Spy Cheif, Often Misquoted, Joins Veterans Today

Veterans Today believes that General Hamid Gul, one of the most controversial figures of our era, is the kind of person we need, a true friend to American veterans and our military, someone to consistently tells the truth. With America a nation threatened on all sides, led into disaster by liars, weaklings and those with questionable foreign allegiances, Gul’s “straight talk” and “shooting from the hip” has been a breath of fresh air for those Americans lucky enough to hear his unedited and undistorted views. Gul has stuck to the truth even when demonized for it.

Hamid Gul is one of the most respected authorities on the Middle East and South Asia, continually turned to by western military and intelligence leaders when the chips are down. With lifelong personal friendships that stretch the great divide from the Pentagon to Langley and beyond and wide respect from elements critical of the United States, Gul has been an enigmatic figure, one often seen as a threat to the “party line” scripted by Washington’s powerful Israel lobby.

Wow!

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 09 Sep 2010 08:00

^ Khanate cold war era veterans would all be beer buddies with Paki Jernails.

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 09 Sep 2010 08:30

"Veterans Today" is an anti-war, anti-right-wing, and anti-govt group. One of their articles:
Are Right Wing Extremists Trying to Recruit Our Troops?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 09 Sep 2010 08:33

Airavat wrote:"Veterans Today" is an anti-war, anti-right-wing, and anti-govt group. One of their articles:
Are Right Wing Extremists Trying to Recruit Our Troops?

Hmm - now I see it
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/09/07 ... ps-period/

Burning Koran endangers troops-PERIOD!

archan · Post by **archan** » 09 Sep 2010 08:44

SureshP wrote:Pakistan cricketer Mohammad Asif considers asylum in Britain

ahem... http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 84#p932884 this is what yours truly posted on Aug. 31. I put it jokingly but the suspicion was strong ever since their folks started throwing about the words "death penalty" even before the investigation had even begun properly.

Well the paqui cricketers can ask for asylum in UK with an excuse "we'll be hanged if we go back, we are talented cricketers onlee who made as mall mistake, please to be granting asylum... pleeze!" and they can be out of that flooded good-for-nothing paki-hole for life.

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 09 Sep 2010 09:16

Neela wrote:
shiv wrote:Yahya Khan on the situation in East Pak in July 1971
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9cHUJBt2Sw
Your link vs my link.
Time Magazine Aug 1971 - The World: Good Soldier Yahya Khan
Westerners who know him well describe Yahya as a reasonable man but stubborn, proud and discipline-minded,
Mine is from Time. And westerners call him a reasonable man.
I win!

Behind every great general is a woman. Yahya Khan was no exception. Do you guys have anything (Links that is!) on the General Rani?
Gautam

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 09 Sep 2010 09:17

A_Gupta wrote:Hamid Gul: "In Pakistan, if a revolution comes, it would have to be an anti-American Islamic revolution. And history tells us that whatever happens in this region, its effects always trickle into Delhi," Gul warned in reference to the capital of India.

Yeah but that was during the time 1001 Arabian Nights was written and much before an electrified fence and BSF came up between unwashed and Lal quila. Try that now.

bart · Post by **bart** » 09 Sep 2010 10:25

VikramS wrote:There is an inherent assumption in the group-think here that if the Islamists become stronger, the Anglo customers/friends of TSP will ditch her and that some how will be good for India. I do not think so.

You are making the mistake often made by western people in thinking that Islamists are separate from the rest of Paki society. The Paki Army are Islamsts, as are much of the RAPE, and some of the hoi polloi who are powerless anyway. In this case the RAPE and Paki army are dangerous to India as they can play the game of pretending to cooperate with the west enough to keep them engaged while targeting India and getting away with it. The pure Islamists on the other hand would reach out and threaten the west, and hence for India's perspective are way better than the so-called moderates, as has been pointed out by many on this thread. Basically all Pakis are out to target us, but the difference is that the pure Islamists would target the west and the Anglos would have some actual takleef instead of sitting back and happily watching India being targeted.

If the Anglos ditch TSP the customers left will then dictate terms and these customers are authoritarian. If it serves their purpose, they will not blink an eye if millions of Indians die; they do not have any elections, or a business constituency or a liberal constituency to answer too. In fact the Panda will not mind if a nuclear exchange occurs as a TSP drowning in the cess-pool tries its best to take India down with it.

Just like the strong moral fiber of the Anglos caused them to prevent the genocide of 3 million in Bangladesh, whereas the authoritarian Soviet Union put pressure on India not to prevent it?

If the Anglos decide that TSP is too important to leave to the other customers, they will then strike deals with the Islamists themselves. At the end of the day the Islamists too want all the trappings with power. Why would they be any different from the RAPE TSPA Generals? The land-owners like the Sharifs/Rashids are any way in bed with the Islamists. In fact the Anglos will be more eager to court the Islamists since the risk of a JDAM in the West becomes greater without the bought RAPE controlling the crown jewels. The Islamists too will be co-opted like the RAPE have been.

RAPE-Islamists and PakjabiArmy-Islamists can be co-opted to some extent though that will only result in a pretense of co-operation rather than any real cooperation. However the real Islamists cannot be controlled by them, its like you can tame a coyote or a leopard even but not a rattlesnake.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 09 Sep 2010 10:57

Changing face of Russia-Pakistan ties

Vladimir Radyuhin

India will have to learn to live with the new Russian-Pakistani bonhomie, just as Russia has taken India's entanglement with the U.S. in its stride.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 09 Sep 2010 10:58

On the penultimate day of Ramzan, my Tali-bunny brought for me...

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... last-hh-04

Ten x 72 and counting(?)...

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 09 Sep 2010 11:01

No ‘Cold Start’ doctrine, India tells US

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/No--C ... -US/679273

The US had taken up concerns by Pakistan on the perceived ‘Cold Start’ strategy of the Indian Army that envisages rapid deployment of troops on the western border to escalate to a full blown war within days but has been told that such a doctrine does not exist but is a term that has been fabricated by think tanks.

The matter was repeatedly taken up by senior US Defence delegations after Pakistan voiced concerns that diverting more troops to the Afghan border would not be feasible given the Indian ‘Cold Start’ strategy that could bring offensive elements of the Indian Army to its eastern border within four days.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 09 Sep 2010 11:04

We are getting numerous signs of the TSP flailing:
- Floods response by official state organs
- Deer in Headlight syndrome for TSPA in early flood
- Reports of flood relief supplies being looted
- Reports of PRC troops/personnel in POK
- Now Russians want to engage the TSP
- India assuring US of no Cold Start!
Above two are moves to not spook the beast.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 09 Sep 2010 11:17

Above two are moves to not spook the beast.

Right. India should turn up the tranquilizer in fact, flood TSP's flood refugees with bollywood garma garam masala and all that.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 09 Sep 2010 11:20

Dispatch from Sindh: Children at risk from disease

http://afpak.foreignpolicy.com/posts/20 ... om_disease

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 09 Sep 2010 11:35

Pakistan's year was tough before the flooding started

http://eurasia.foreignpolicy.com/posts/ ... ng_started

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 09 Sep 2010 11:46

ramana wrote:We are getting numerous signs of the TSP flailing:
- Floods response by official state organs
- Deer in Headlight syndrome for TSPA in early flood
- Reports of flood relief supplies being looted
- Reports of PRC troops/personnel in POK
- Now Russians want to engage the TSP
- India assuring US of no Cold Start!
Above two are moves to not spook the beast.

The last two to make sure that Pakistan Army does not do any coup against the legit discredited civil govt.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 09 Sep 2010 11:58

Acharya / Ramana,

I always felt that the CSD was a reactive measure to deal with the aftermath of a terrorist ourage. Is the TSPA genuinely worried about it. Even in the absence of a Pakistani terrorist outrage. Or is this just an attempt of pulling wool over the eyes of the Khans?

If I had to guess. I would guess that it was the latter. So the threat of a coup against the civillian govt is overstated at the moment. Cause even the Army will not be able to salvage the situation. The only way to save TSP is to tone down the hatered of India and focus on the rule of law and human development.

They will rather destroy themselves, then focus on solveing the problems faced by them.

JMT

James B · Post by **James B** » 09 Sep 2010 12:38

IED Mubarak Time

Bomb blast kills 10 in Pakistan's Kurram region

A roadside bomb killed 10 people and wounded four in Pakistan's Kurram tribal region on the Afghan border on Thursday, a government official told Reuters

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 09 Sep 2010 12:45

This is blatant exploitation of employees by Taleban. No holiday for bunnies on EID? TTP surely sucks as an employer.

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 09 Sep 2010 12:48

Re: Hamid Gul. "Whatever is happening in Pakistan" has already "trickled to New Delhi" in the form of terrorism. It's nice of Gul to offer that Pa stable Pakistan can be a buffer state for India, but it's not possible to maintain such intense hostility and be a buffer state at the same time.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 09 Sep 2010 12:52

Pratyush wrote:
If I had to guess. I would guess that it was the latter. So the threat of a coup against the civillian govt is overstated at the moment.

Whenever US comes to take up on behalf of Pakistan and its army with India then it is for sure that it is to prevent any coup.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 09 Sep 2010 13:28

Explosion in Quetta, 4 dead

Ameet · Post by **Ameet** » 09 Sep 2010 13:29

4th US missile in 24 hrs in Pakistan kills 5

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39072107/ns ... tral_asia/

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 09 Sep 2010 15:33

Balochistan says ‘No!’

QUETTA: A key directive by Interior Minister Rehman Malik on Wednesday that all police powers will be transferred for three months to the Frontier Corps (FC) in Balochistan was rejected by the provincial government in a drastic turn of events.

However, a spokesman of the Balochistan government later rejected all of Malik’s decisions announced at a news conference at the CM Secretariat on Wednesday.
An official handout categorically stated that the announcements made at the news conference by Rehman Malik were his personal views and the government of Balochistan had nothing to do with them.

“I have recorded my protest with Indian Foreign Minister Chidambaram and Afghan President Ahmad Karzai and also with America, about their alleged involvement in Balochistan,” he said, adding that he has informed the Afghan government that Brahamdagh Bugti is in Kabul and commanding insurgency in Balochistan. “I told the Americans that you people are watching the militants through satellite but we are watching them with our naked eyes,” he said.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 09 Sep 2010 15:50

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 74487.html

More news of the mssile strikes,etc.

Pakistan's army has launched several offensives in the northwest over the last two years, but has resisted moving into North Waziristan despite US pressure. A major militant faction there, the Haqqani network, is blamed for attacks against US troops in Afghanistan but has refrained from striking inside Pakistan. Analysts believe the army views the network, with which it has historical links, as an important tool to secure its interests in Afghanistan once foreign troops withdraw.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 09 Sep 2010 16:00

Dilbu wrote:Balochistan says ‘No!’
“I have recorded my protest with Indian Foreign Minister Chidambaram and Afghan President Ahmad Karzai and also with America, about their alleged involvement in Balochistan,” he said, adding that he has informed the Afghan government that Brahamdagh Bugti is in Kabul and commanding insurgency in Balochistan. “I told the Americans that you people are watching the militants through satellite but we are watching them with our naked eyes,” he said.

What kind of involvement is this - "alleged"? If even those who make allegations, called their allegations "alleged", then it seems even they are not really convinced.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 09 Sep 2010 16:03

British hostage journalist freed in Pakistan

A British journalist held captive by militants in north-west Pakistan since March has been freed.
Asad Qureshi was abducted in the Pakistani tribal region of North Waziristan along with two former Pakistani intelligence officers.His release was confirmed by the British High Commission in Islamabad.

For months there have been considerable fears over Mr Qureshi's safety after he was kidnapped by a militant group calling itself the Asian Tigers

Mr Qureshi, a British national of Pakistani descent, had been working for an independent production company on a documentary commissioned by Channel 4 on militancy.Channel 4 said "family-led negotiations" resulted in the release and he was treated well while being held.
The high commission was unable to give any further details.

The captors had been demanding a ransom and the release of Taliban militants.

all's well in the family now.

kidnap wealthy bakis, demand ransom and release them, adopt all sorts of names to the group. have a a party.
Bakis can teach the world a lot of ways on how to make money illegally.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 09 Sep 2010 16:15

China to offer more aid to Pakistan, Chinese ambassador says

China on Monday announced another 200 million yuan (29.4 million U.S. dollars) of humanitarian aid to flood-hit Pakistan, which has suffered a worst-ever monsoon flooding since late July, killing 1,754 people and left millions homeless. China had previously given 120 million yuan (17.6 million U.S. dollars) in aid to the neighboring Pakistan.

nearly 50 million dollars. something is cooking between the two bandicoots across the mountains.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 09 Sep 2010 16:23

Pakistan Inflation Rate Accelerates as Kardar Takes Charge at Central Bank

Pakistan’s inflation accelerated more than economists estimated after the nation’s deadliest floods damaged crops and washed away roads and bridges, hurting supplies of farm and manufactured goods.

Consumer prices rose 13.23 percent in August from a year earlier after climbing 12.34 percent in July, the statistics department said on its website today. The median of 14 estimates in a Bloomberg News survey was for a 12.4 percent gain.

Rising prices may put pressure on Shahid Kardar, who was appointed as Pakistan’s new central bank governor today, to increase interest rates, already among the highest in the world.

in terrorism business the risks are naturally high isnt it

Kardar, 57, said his primary task is to cool inflation.

yep flood waters will cool it

The Food and Agriculture Organization has called for funds to replace half a million tons of wheat seed stocks depleted by the floods, with planting of the staple due to take place over the next three months.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 09 Sep 2010 16:25

a while back i was at a think tank lecture where a paqui jarnail was speaking. one of the audience (an american) asked him to comment on cold start. jarnail sahib looked irritated and then speaking in a snarling growl said that cold start was the same as crossing the nook red line. they are terrified.

jagga · Post by **jagga** » 09 Sep 2010 16:41

Apologies if posted before.

In below video link,Angelina Jolie praised the work of the Pakistani military in helping homeless people. {She has been brainwashed fully by TFTA's

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Angelina Jolie commends Pakistan military for flood work

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 09 Sep 2010 16:47

Palm Oil Imports by Pakistan May Drop as Floods Destroy Demand

Pakistan, the world’s third-biggest importer of palm oil, may buy 10 percent less of the commodity in October and November than in July after the country’s worst- ever floods destroyed villages, a traders’ group said.

“Who will buy the oil when there are no people to sell it to?

wrong, can be used to explode bums.

Pakistan consumes about 3 million tons of vegetable oils annually. It buys palm oil from Malaysia and Indonesia, the top producers, and rapeseed oil from Canada, Australia and Europe, according to the refiners’ association.

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 09 Sep 2010 16:49

Angelina Jolie commends Pakistan military for flood work

And yes, what is wrong with that, I ask you - hasn't the Pakistan military done superlative work to flood Baluchistan, hain?

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 09 Sep 2010 16:52

Pakistan's August Trade Gap Widens to $1.24 Billion as Imports Increase

Pakistan’s trade deficit widened by 16.2 percent in August as imports increased.
The trade gap widened to $1.24 billion in the second month of the fiscal year, from $1.07 billion a year ago, according to a statement on the web site of the Federal Bureau of Statistics in Islamabad today.
Overseas sales rose 21.2 percent to $1.77 billion, while imports rose 19.1 percent to $3.01 billion, the data show.

expect to worsen in the flood aftermath

Pakistan is seeking to boost exports to sustain growth in a country where the World Bank estimates a quarter of the population lives on less than a dollar a day.

IIRC there was a report of < 17% poverty recently, wow.
blame it on floods now and ask for more aid.