Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 2010

[shiv]

rapeseed oil from Canada,

And they use rape to seed Pakis wimmens and send them to Canada. How clever no.

[shiv]

Apologies if posted before.

In below video link,Angelina Jolie praised the work of the Pakistani military in helping homeless people. {She has been brainwashed fully by TFTA's }
Angelina Jolie commends Pakistan military for flood work

Of course Angelina Jolie is incredibly beautiful ad also very very sympathetic - she actually deeply empathizes with the victims and the eyes blink back tears at the right time . It is just the good luck of the bench-odds of the Baki army that they have this lady working with them.

[SSridhar]

Just was watching the PCB Chairman's defence of the Pakistani cricketers. It is amazing to see how every Pakistani exhibits the same traits of perfidy, obfuscation, excuses, lies etc. What is it that makes them all behave in this fashion ? This is more a rhetorical question.

[Suppiah]

Explosion in Quetta, 4 dead

Only 15kg used...look like they are beginning to ration it now....

[Lalmohan]

^^^ or they are mixing it down. 15kg is normally capable of severe mayhem on soft targets

[shravan]

^^ The target was Balochistan Finance Minister. His security guards were killed in the blast.

[krisna]

rapeseed oil from Canada,

And they use rape to seed Pakis wimmens and send them to Canada. How clever no.

[Suppiah]

May Allah ensure the pure in Paki-satan dont ever run short of purity enhancing ingredients...

[shravan]

Six activists killed in four days

KARACHI: Six Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamaat (ASWJ) activists have been gunned down in four days in different parts of the city.

[shiv]

Just was watching the PCB Chairman's defence of the Pakistani cricketers. It is amazing to see how every Pakistani exhibits the same traits of perfidy, obfuscation, excuses, lies etc. What is it that makes them all behave in this fashion ? This is more a rhetorical question.

By coincidence I was mentioning something similar to someone else today. It seems to me that Pakistan has worked itself up to be an amoral, if not immoral criminal enterprise.

Why? One might ask. Isn't everyone equally immoral or amoral?

Somehow Pakistanis seem to have decided that if every man, woman or child can grab something by intimidation they will do it. If they fail they will beg, And if begging fails hey will steal. Everyone is doing it. The army dos it. The RAPE do it and mango Abdul sees no other route. If there is an electricity line - people will tap free power from it. If someone is giving aid - they will put up a show to make sure that more aid comes in.

One possible reason for this is something that nobody in the world outside of BR will believe. When Pakistanis rejected India they rejected everything related to Dharma. Dharma is non religious - but Pakis chose the route that said "If something is non Islamic it must be rejected whether it is religious or secular"

But does that mean that morality is non existent in Islam? Pakistanis have been unable to show that morality exists in Islam. They have tended to act as if 7th century Arabian morality is all that is needed. As long as Arabic texts are quoted as sources for justifying some act, Pakistanis have clung on to that. In the early year Pakistanis had enough innate Indian culture to take them forward for a few decades, but after that they have exhausted everything and created a basically morally bankrupt society.

My theories may all be completely wrong. I don't know - I don't have a full explanation of why Pakistan seems to be a deceiving criminal enterprise full of liars from top to bottom.

[krisna]

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why is brangelina working in pakistan

Charitable superstar and mother of half of Africa, Angela Jolie, has decided to extend her passion for the "muy pobres" of the world by travelling to flood stricken Pakistan.

When asked what she would actually be doing there she replied:
"I'm so rich and they're so poor, I believe in miracles (well she did marry Brad Pitt) and hope to help those wretched 'little people' in their fight against the floods."

Angela said, "I've read all about King Canute and he has inspired me to attempt the same trick in Pakistan so all of the 'little people' can rebuild their mud huts and continue their miserable lives, it's the least I can do!"

Brad Pitt is supporting Angela and has promised that as soon as she retruns home he will make sure she enters rehab for a total rest and hopefully it will cure her eccentric behaviour, "King Canute my butt," he was heard whispering.

only for (The story above is a satire or parody. It is entirely fictitious.)

[SSridhar]

Pakistanis have been unable to show that morality exists in Islam.

The Afghan mujahideen/taliban too. They feel that allowing poppy cultivation, setting up heroin labs, exporting them even if to other Islamist/Muslim countries apart from of course the kafir countries, deriving huge profits and taxes (ushr)from these deals, are fair game and quite Islamic too.

[chetak]

Just was watching the PCB Chairman's defence of the Pakistani cricketers. It is amazing to see how every Pakistani exhibits the same traits of perfidy, obfuscation, excuses, lies etc. What is it that makes them all behave in this fashion ? This is more a rhetorical question.

But here is the short answer saar.

This is exactly how they have bamboozled the world about the kashmir issuse and of late the Indus water issue.

The traits that you have mentioned is a cultural and islamo political principle enshrined in taqiyya.

We expect people like krishna and MMS to deal with a sewage pit of lies and come out smelling like lilies.

This entire spot fixing episode has been a practical and very public tutorial of what the pakis are capable of and how they generally operate. The lesson is plain for those who want to see islamo political reality as has been applied to India and it's people by jinnah and his motley crew.

There is no way to win when wrestling a pig in mud except to wade into the mud pit and kick the crap out of the pig. No other language is understood.

You will get dirty initially but the fear of getting dirty should not prevent one from entering the mud pit.

[Philip]

Read Kamran Shafi's scathing condemnation of his countrymen,especialy the PCB trying to defend the indefensible,in the "cricket" thread,Gen.Forum.He says that Pak painfully "shoots itself in the groin" time and time again.Used to decades of cheating and lying,the latter day "feudals " of Pak,in uniform too,find it a Himalayan task to tell the truth.

Strangely,"lying" gets them everything they desire from the west! The establishment and intel outfits of the CIA,etc.,prefer the liar,dictator,despot,deviant,debauched,vile mindset to a truthful one.Not for them are needed leaders of a high moral stature,but those who enslave and feast parasitically upon their countrymen are their best friends ,because it is exactly what they intend dong with other nations of the world,to steal their wealth and enslave them,force them to buy foreign products and remain dependant forever.

The Paki elite conform to this mould,devoid of any moral or social values,a tribe of vultures and parasites,feasting upon their own people like cannibals,gleefully dancing round the cooking pot oblivious to the screams and shrieks of their victims,watched and applauded by their foreign patrons,waiting to partake of the feast.

[krisna]

Pakistanis have been unable to show that morality exists in Islam.

The Afghan mujahideen/taliban too. They feel that allowing poppy cultivation, setting up heroin labs, exporting them even if to other Islamist/Muslim countries apart from of course the kafir countries, deriving huge profits and taxes (ushr)from these deals, are fair game and quite Islamic too.

Pakistan getting worse in the holy month of Ramzan

The Month of holy Ramzan has special place in Islam.

There are many such directions provided in Islamic teachings for this month, according to which a practising Muslim should stay away from any kind of bad, wrong, immoral, unclean, inhuman or un-Islamic activity.

Let’s see how Pakistan, claiming to be a trustee nation of Islam, is following these instructions

Though Pakistan’s notoriety is always is news, whether it is related to nurturing the inhuman network of terrorism, political instability, bribery and corruption, communalism or sectarianism or double political standards.

In this Ramzan, many such incidents happened in Pakistan which were not supposed to be there even in a non-Islamic state.

First of all, three Pakistani Cricketers- Mohammad Amir, Mohammad Asif and Salman Butt were caught red-handed in an un-Islamic activity i.e. match-fixing.

....but this was not expected from the Muslim players of an ‘Islamic’ country and that also in the holy month of Ramazan

This is the same Mohammad Asif who some time ago was caught with custody of contrabands in Dubai.

The present match-fixing scandal has exposed that dimension of these players which show that they are more interested in ‘3 W’ means wine, women,& wealth.

Groper had to say that the whole country is ashamed.
2a) 21st of Ramzan has very special significance in the month of Ramzan.

At that time, three suicide bombers entered that crowd of the Shiites and blew themselves. Consequently, 30 people were killed on the spot while 35 were grievously injured. Another 150 people were also injured. This incident happened in that Pakistan which was created in the name of Islam. It is also noteworthy here that Pak-based terrorist organisation, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, which calls itself the saviour of Islam, has taken responsibility for this attack. Earlier also, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi has carried out suicide attacks on different functions, mausoleums and mosques of Shiites, Sunnis and Ahmedias. Those killing innocent people, and that too in the holy month of Ramzan, don’t deserve to be called human beings.

Groper also called it as a cowardly act.

2b) On the same day, the US put Tehreek-e-Taliban in the list of banned terrorist organisations. Along with this, it has declared prize money of $5 million on TeT chief Hakimullah Mehsud.Danger for humanity, these people also call themselves the custodians of Islam.The declaration of $5million on the same ‘custodian’ of Islam in the month of Ramzan is a blot on Islam itself.

3) The Lashkar-e-Jhangvi once again carried a bloody attack on 23rd of Ramzan in Quetta, Baluchistan when over a thousand Shia students were participating in a rally in support of Palestinians. Two suicide bombers killed 60 people on the spot and another 200 were injured. So many other suicidal attacks and killings of innocent people are to be reported from different parts of Pakistan in the same holy month of Ramazan.

4) Floods just occurred before Ramazan-In this time of natural disaster, when the entire world is giving a helping hand to Pakistan, at the same time communalism, sectarianism and terrorism are growing their heads with the same pace. Reports are that even in the foreign aid received by the Pakistan, the minorities are not being given their respective share. Besides, there is also partiality in the distribution of food items. Some time ago, in the month of Ramzan itself, there were reports of harassment of the people of Sikh community.

The above circumstances make one thing clear that when Pakistan can’t remain peaceful in the holy month of Ramzan, how one can expect any kind of human behaviour for rest of the year. Had there been any feeling of affinity, harmony and brotherhood in these people, the country named Bangladesh would not have existed today. But at the time of birth of Bangladesh in 1971, it was proved that Indo-Pak partition in the name of religion was just a political foul play and propaganda to capture power by misguiding some Muslims. The people of Pakistan are still facing the consequences. And if it continued, perhaps it will have to face the same for centuries.

what an article. excellent.rips apart the bogey of pakistan is not Islam

[Neela]

Just was watching the PCB Chairman's defence of the Pakistani cricketers. It is amazing to see how every Pakistani exhibits the same traits of perfidy, obfuscation, excuses, lies etc. What is it that makes them all behave in this fashion ? This is more a rhetorical question.

By coincidence I was mentioning something similar to someone else today. It seems to me that Pakistan has worked itself up to be an amoral, if not immoral criminal enterprise.

Why? One might ask. Isn't everyone equally immoral or amoral?

Somehow Pakistanis seem to have decided that if every man, woman or child can grab something by intimidation they will do it. If they fail they will beg, And if begging fails hey will steal. Everyone is doing it. The army dos it. The RAPE do it and mango Abdul sees no other route. If there is an electricity line - people will tap free power from it. If someone is giving aid - they will put up a show to make sure that more aid comes in.

One possible reason for this is something that nobody in the world outside of BR will believe. When Pakistanis rejected India they rejected everything related to Dharma. Dharma is non religious - but Pakis chose the route that said "If something is non Islamic it must be rejected whether it is religious or secular"

But does that mean that morality is non existent in Islam? Pakistanis have been unable to show that morality exists in Islam. They have tended to act as if 7th century Arabian morality is all that is needed. As long as Arabic texts are quoted as sources for justifying some act, Pakistanis have clung on to that. In the early year Pakistanis had enough innate Indian culture to take them forward for a few decades, but after that they have exhausted everything and created a basically morally bankrupt society.

My theories may all be completely wrong. I don't know - I don't have a full explanation of why Pakistan seems to be a deceiving criminal enterprise full of liars from top to bottom.

This simple thing made my day.

I don't know know how many people following this thread experience this. It is a gnawing thing that runs in the mind - you look for reasons and words to explain why Pakis behave the way they do. You want to "define" a Grand Unified Paki Theory from which many theories emanate, each of which substantiates or extrapolates this Grand Unified Paki Theory!

My attempt at defining this thing came to this:
For a Paki, any immoral or deceitful behaviour is ok as long as it is a kaffir and their religious code allows this.
Problem is, you hit a mental roadblock when Pakis exhibit this behaviour among themselves and with the Islamic world.

Brilliant stuff , Doc.

[Suppiah]

^^^ an excuse to fold up pakisatan and burden us with 300m fanatic barbarians...such articles will hopefully never be taken seriously by any paki-satani.

[rgsrini]

What is it that makes them all behave in this fashion ?

Why? One might ask. Isn't everyone equally immoral or amoral?

It is a gnawing thing that runs in the mind - you look for reasons and words to explain why Pakis behave the way they do.

hmm... I didn't realize that so many of us are wondering and trying to figure out "why does shit stink?"
One thing is for sure that there is no way to make it smell like Jasmine anymore. The only option we have is to build a smaller toilet and restrict the stink to that area so that the it doesn't stink up our living room.

[Brad Goodman]

British hostage journalist freed in Pakistan

For months there have been considerable fears over Mr Qureshi's safety after he was kidnapped by a militant group calling itself the Asian Tigers

Any news on Col. Imam? Is he enjoying raisins in heaven or are pathans enjoying him as rasin on earth?

[chetak]

Sauce for the goose is not sauce for the gander?

Force not OK in Kashmir but OK in Baluchistan

Terrorists and not freedom fighters??

We should provide "diplomatic and moral" support immediately.


http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... -malik-890

Force only option to restore order in Balochistan: Malik
By Saleem Shahid
Wednesday, 08 Sep, 2010

QUETTA: Interior Minister Rehman Malik has said the government is planning a Swat- and Malakand-like crackdown in Balochistan to crush elements involved in target killings and bomb blasts.

Talking to journalists at the airport here on Tuesday, he said that target killings and other crimes had increased in the province and the government had decided to change its strategy against outlawed and terrorist organisations.

“Enough is enough. Now the government will use force to restore peace and order in Balochistan because they (terrorists) do not understand the language of love,” he added.

Mr Malik, who is on a two-day visit to the province, said that a large number of people had written letters to the prime minister and him about this situation. “Balochistan is strong hand of Pakistan and we want prosperity and development in the province,” he said.

[Brad Goodman]

Just was watching the PCB Chairman's defence of the Pakistani cricketers. It is amazing to see how every Pakistani exhibits the same traits of perfidy, obfuscation, excuses, lies etc. What is it that makes them all behave in this fashion ? This is more a rhetorical question.

If Zia Ul Haq is looking from his grave / hell or where ever he is right now enjoying his raisins he will be mighty proud that the experiment he started is now producing results. After the 1971 debacle they decided to double up their effort to erase social, ethnic & cultural identities of people of what ever was left of jinnah's moth eaten country. They unleashed a new educational program in schools. This was later expanded to include madarsa's when Unkil and Saudis paid handsomely to feed the jihad monster to beat up Soviets. The newly found fluke victory was just what the doctor ordered and like a new gambler who hits jackpot on his first attempt at the cards who now thinks either he is terribly smart or has midas touch of a luck they went on binge gambling by throwing everything they had at stake in the ring.

They did see the benefits now India was tied down in Kashmir, Assam & Punjab. The mighty Indian army and Indian government was busy drousing the fires and mango pakis were enjoying the destruction. They also saw Indian economy sinking along with Soviet Union. All these factors along with the program for past 30+ years has had an effect on paki psychology so you see most of them think in the same pattern. They have acheived that nazis could only dream of. They have created a perfect race of bigots and fanatics. So finally what world missed out because of those two atom bums is now all out on display. Every one from Jernails to Babus to RAPES to Mango Abduls every one now has absolute beleif in the propoganda they have spread for all these years and no wonder we see an unoformity. Plus with advent of all these private channels and ISI funded kazzabs in TV they have been able to polish their articulation so there they do not even fall out of sync when delivering the same message they take exact same pauses and exact same pronunciations (even if they are horribly wrong example Kurkure (Should be Karkare)or Chaankya (Chanakya) or Col Prohit (Purohit). So whether it is Zaid Hamid or Rehman Malik or Mango Paki they all sounds exactly same. Well done ISI

[shravan]

CJCSC Gen.Tariq Majeed not interested in service extension

[VikramS]

You are making the mistake often made by western people in thinking that Islamists are separate from the rest of Paki society. The Paki Army are Islamsts, as are much of the RAPE, and some of the hoi polloi who are powerless anyway. In this case the RAPE and Paki army are dangerous to India as they can play the game of pretending to cooperate with the west enough to keep them engaged while targeting India and getting away with it. The pure Islamists on the other hand would reach out and threaten the west, and hence for India's perspective are way better than the so-called moderates, as has been pointed out by many on this thread. Basically all Pakis are out to target us, but the difference is that the pure Islamists would target the west and the Anglos would have some actual takleef instead of sitting back and happily watching India being targeted.

I agree that the pure Islamists are more likely to target the West. The urgency of the Anglos will go up dramatically.

What no one every questions is how will the Anglos react? My bet is that they will try their best to co-opt the Islamists, and they may have to pay more than what the RAPE demand. They may not like the loose cannons but the other customers who will be more than happy to co-opt the Islamists.

Just like the strong moral fiber of the Anglos caused them to prevent the genocide of 3 million in Bangladesh, whereas the authoritarian Soviet Union put pressure on India not to prevent it?

I am not sure how the 1971 analogy is relevant here.

The Anglos are unlikely to support a nuke exchange since they know that once the genie is out of the bottle, what stops the Islamists to take on the West.

OTOH the Panda will be more than glad if the Islamist take out India. They can rule the world for the next few generations.

If the Anglos decide that TSP is too important to leave to the other customers, they will then strike deals with the Islamists themselves. At the end of the day the Islamists too want all the trappings with power. Why would they be any different from the RAPE TSPA Generals? The land-owners like the Sharifs/Rashids are any way in bed with the Islamists. In fact the Anglos will be more eager to court the Islamists since the risk of a JDAM in the West becomes greater without the bought RAPE controlling the crown jewels. The Islamists too will be co-opted like the RAPE have been.

RAPE-Islamists and PakjabiArmy-Islamists can be co-opted to some extent though that will only result in a pretense of co-operation rather than any real cooperation. However the real Islamists cannot be controlled by them, its like you can tame a coyote or a leopard even but not a rattlesnake.

The Anglos also know that the Panda too will try to co-opt the Islamists. The initial reaction of the Anglos will be to co-opt the rattlesnake as much as they can. They have no other option because the Panda will not come to table unless and until they know that the Islamists are co-opted by the Anglos.

The Panda is already taking steps to insulate itself from the Islamists with their action in Gilgit-Balwaristan. They know that the Islamist co-opted by West is much more dangerous to them than the RAPE selling itself to 3.5 customers.

[CRamS]

Brad Goodman:

Everything you say is true, but from India's POV, the threat from TSP remains alive and kicking. TSP RAPE are steadfast in their belief that a nuke showdown with India is their ultimate elixir. And neither India's militrar prowesee not any international pressure or lack thereof has forced TSP to back off. Their current strategy is to survice the moment and up the ante later. Ans the 3.5 are willing collaboraters in this strategy as we speak.

On another issue, someone posted a report mentioning that US big wigs came to Dilli and squeezed cojones on behalf of TSP about cold start. I wonder if the Dilli boys conveyed that cold start is only a wet dream of nationalists like us on BR, but on the contrary, MMS & Co will be mighty happy if TSP throws a dog bone on Mumbai and terrorism in general, to get any semblance of opposition off their backs, and the Bopana-Quereshi type bhaichara will be limitless after that.

[Brad Goodman]

EU struggles to agree trade breaks for Pakistan

(Reuters) - Six weeks after Pakistan was ravaged by floods, the European Union is still struggling to decide how to help beyond emergency aid, with a plan to offer lucrative trade concessions locked in dispute

good news for those who worry about pakis getting any debt writeoff as well. If they cannot get trade concession how in this world can EU or West write off such massive debt. They cannot change rules for WB & IMF since if they do it for one they have to do it for all. Plus WB has stakes from so many nations including ours so it would be like 123 deal where unkil will have to ram rod every tiny nation on the board to push out such concession. Does shri hussain baba have that appetite to help its stooge.

[K Mehta]

British hostage journalist freed in Pakistan
A British journalist held captive by militants in north-west Pakistan since March has been freed.
Asad Qureshi was abducted in the Pakistani tribal region of North Waziristan along with two former Pakistani intelligence officers.His release was confirmed by the British High Commission in Islamabad.
For months there have been considerable fears over Mr Qureshi's safety after he was kidnapped by a militant group calling itself the Asian Tigers
Mr Qureshi, a British national of Pakistani descent, had been working for an independent production company on a documentary commissioned by Channel 4 on militancy.

This was the guy kidnapped with Khalid Khwaja aka Colonel Imam. Just for a data point!

[CRamS]

VikramS,

You are missing the core issue and beating to death your theory which I grant is quite plausible. Of course, there is every chance that US & Panda will still continue their diabolical India containment strategy even if Isalmists take over TSP. But the point is that an Isalmist take over will be a game changer from India's POV. Right now with TSP RAPE as a smokescreen, India is unable to extricate itself in any meaningful way from the equal equal box. This sad fact is the colossal fraud that has been heaped on India by the west. An Islamist take over could possibly reverse that and provides an opening for India.

[Brad Goodman]

Regional Scenario: Central Asian ‘Muslim’ states fear Pakistan – by Shiraz Paracha

pretty long but interesting article. Talks about image of pakis in the eyes of Central Asian states. Breaks the myth that pakis carry that they C Asians. Sorry Taimur might have left behind few seeds after his conquest but unfortunately there is no love here from the master. Another interesting point was paki foreign office babus look down upon posting in C Asia as demotion and indulge in activities they are not allowed to do (figure out what)

[ramana]

Neela wrote"

I don't know know how many people following this thread experience this. It is a gnawing thing that runs in the mind - you look for reasons and words to explain why Pakis behave the way they do. You want to "define" a Grand Unified Paki Theory from which many theories emanate, each of which substantiates or extrapolates this Grand Unified Paki Theory!

My attempt at defining this thing came to this:
For a Paki, any immoral or deceitful behaviour is ok as long as it is a kaffir and their religious code allows this.
Problem is, you hit a mental roadblock when Pakis exhibit this behaviour among themselves and with the Islamic world.

No Problem.

The corollary states if the others can be deemed* less Islamic then its allowed to deal with them in same manner.

* Whoever is in power can do the deeming! There is precedent for this. Recall all those contradictory hadiths.

[Sumeet]

Pak asks Interpol to stop Quran-burning

Islamabad: Pakistan on Thursday strongly condemned an American pastor's plans to burn copies of the Quran to mark the anniversary of the 9/11 terror attacks and asked Interpol to stop the "insane" man from going ahead with the move.

President Asif Ali Zardari expressed grave concern over the pastor's threat and believed that anyone "who even thought of such a despicable act must be suffering from a diseased mind and a sickly soul," according to his spokesman Farhatullah Babar.

Such an act will "inflame sentiments among Muslims throughout the world and cause irreparable damage to interfaith harmony and world peace," Babar said.

The President has called for "doing all that it takes to stop such a senseless and outrageous act," he said.

Separately, Interior Minister Rehman Malik, in a letter addressed to Interpol Secretary General Ronald Noble, said Interpol should stop "insane" pastor Terry Jones from burning the Quran.

Malik drew Interpol's attention to the "very serious and grave" issue, which is a crime against humanity and an "international offence" as it could affect global peace and harmony.

"Interpol must play its role to stop this heinous criminal act by insane Terry Jones as it will bring irreversible damage to world peace, especially when the world is fighting against all kind of acts of terrorism," he said.

Malik asked Noble to take up the issue with US authorities to stop the "crazy so-called priest from this highly criminal act."

"Muslim Ummah would be outraged by such an act and the feelings of Muslims should be respected," he said.

Foreign Office spokesman Abdul Basit said Pakistan denounces the planned "shameful burning of 200 copies of the Holy Quran by a small Florida church on September 11."

"The government and the people of Pakistan, including Christians, are outraged at this planned act by a self-proclaimed pastor. This is against the spirit of any religion and is, therefore, being rightly denounced by the entire international community," he told a weekly news briefing.

Pakistan urges "adherents of all religions and faiths to strongly condemn this fanatic approach and oppose those, who in the name of freedom and liberty, are resorting to bigotry and undermining the work that has been done towards promoting interfaith harmony since 9/11," he said.

[A_Gupta]

^^
It is a Mafia-type culture, with multiple Mafias that sometimes cooperate and sometimes collide with each other. I don't think it has anything to do with Islam, and has to do with Pakistaniyat. I expect non-Islamic African nations (e.g., Liberia) that have degenerated to warlordism have also shown similar public behavior. Warlordism is merely an extreme mafia situation.

[anupmisra]

Regional Scenario: Central Asian ‘Muslim’ states fear Pakistan – by Shiraz Paracha

From the article:

Pakistan has an image problem in the former Soviet republics. The current floods and the continuing violence has further exacerbated Pakistan’s image. To the people of Central Asia and other countries in the region Pakistan is a trouble spot. It is an irony that the six “Muslim” Central Asian states prefer to keep a distance from Pakistan despite the fact that Pakistan played a crucial role in their independence.

Man! The Chutzpah!! Two myths that need to be squashed immediately at this point.

First, the "flood situation" not leading to any "improvement in pa'astan's image". Thats bullcrap. A typical flood situation in any other region or any other decent country of the world would have brought immediate international support, help and sympathy. But it will do nothing to the image of the nation, whether good or bad. A flood or famine that may kill millions in Nazi Germany wouldn't have helped improve the Nazi image, would it? Why, just not when it happens in the land of the pure? How do the purelanders expect a flood calamity to help the pakis improve their image is beyond belief. Does it hide the fact that the pakis are bad managers, inept and corrupt, and will lie beyod the acceptable limits to garner financial aid? No. The floods have only accentuated these traits. Typical of the pakis to expect the flood to improve their image.

Second, this dubious and unfounded claim that the pakis played a crucial role to enable Central Asian Republics win their independence is beyond belief. That is like the exhausted whore in Vichy, France who refuses services to the German soldier claiming that she was instrumental in liberating France. Just because the pakis were the routing coolies who played "host" to every spook, agency, jehadi and prostitute during the Afghan-Russo war doesnt mean they can claim responsibility for defeating the Soviets and liberating the CARs. I bet the leadership laughs everytime they hear the purelanders claim this.

[krisna]

Regional Scenario: Central Asian ‘Muslim’ states fear Pakistan – by Shiraz Paracha

pretty long but interesting article. Talks about image of pakis in the eyes of Central Asian states. Breaks the myth that pakis carry that they C Asians. Sorry Taimur might have left behind few seeds after his conquest but unfortunately there is no love here from the master. Another interesting point was paki foreign office babus look down upon posting in C Asia as demotion and indulge in activities they are not allowed to do (figure out what)

some quotes from the above article--

Following the split of the Soviet Union, Pakistani military generals thought that they would control poor and backward Central Asia. The plan was to bring the six Central Asian states under the Pakistan’s sphere of influenceNow it is the other way round. Many Central Asians pity Pakistan. Almost every day, they watch television and realize that Pakistan is home to millions of hungry, poor and helpless people. Central Asians fear that troubles from Pakistan can come into their societies.

Violence and other forms of criminal activity, including drugs and human trafficking, are also associated with Pakistan. The country(bakistan) is seen as an unstable and dangerous place that is home to terrorism and extremism.

The military will resist tooth and nail if a civilian government in Pakistan ever tried to provide India with a corridor for importing energy from Central Asia, such a move, though, will be in the best interest of Pakistan and its people. But the interest of Pakistan and the interests of Pakistani military are two different ends of a pole. One can only hope that the military mindset will change.

pakistan if it was a rational and peaceful country would have been a developed one by now with the location and abundance of wealth to be shared with everyone. well I am a stupid idiot(IQ<10) to be dreaming along these lines.
what can bakis offer that central asia does not have?

Pakistan has a wonderful social system based on love, loyalty and respect. Family, community and friendship bonds are central to the social system. Former Soviet society lacks such values and bonds.

Love, warmth, faithfulness and the spirit of sacrifice in human relations are central themes of Pakistani literature. (read honour killings,terrorism,biratherly luv) Pakistani television dramas, novels, poetry and other forms of literature(looks like ekta kapoor is famous here) that highlight the importance of family and human connections could have a great effect on public opinion in the CIS.

[RamaY]

Pak asks Interpol to stop Quran-burning

I don't understand what all this hoopla about, that too from the unquestionable leader of Ummah. After all Islam means peace and it is religion of peace, tolerance and knowledge.

What will happen when a kufr burns an image of Allah's words? Isn't Islam called images haraam?

[RajeshA]

Whole of Pakistan is haraam, as it is based on Photochori!

[Lalmohan]

ask any central asian about south asia, and they will immediately talk about the fabled hindustan, bollywood and raj kapoor

paquistan not very much high on agenda onlee

[RamaY]

^^
It is a Mafia-type culture, with multiple Mafias that sometimes cooperate and sometimes collide with each other. I don't think it has anything to do with Islam, and has to do with Pakistaniyat. I expect non-Islamic African nations (e.g., Liberia) that have degenerated to warlordism have also shown similar public behavior. Warlordism is merely an extreme mafia situation.

A_Guptaji,

You are blasphemous one more time in the holy month. 786 stribes upon you

On top of it you are being very insensitive to our south-asian siblings. You cannot separate Pakistaniyat and Islam.

Islam doesn't have million interpretations like your kufr vedas. It has one and only interpretation. And Prophet himself had some interesting revelations when people doubted his morality or intentions. Go read them first.

[Prem]

="krisna"]="SSridhar"][="shiv"]Pakistanis have been unable to show that morality exists in Islam.
The above circumstances make one thing clear that when Pakistan can’t remain peaceful in the holy month of Ramzan, how one can expect any kind of human behaviour for rest of the year. Had there been any feeling of affinity, harmony and brotherhood in these people, the country named Bangladesh would not have existed today. But at the time of birth of Bangladesh in 1971, it was proved that Indo-Pak partition in the name of religion was just a political foul play and propaganda to capture power by misguiding some Muslims. The people of Pakistan are still facing the consequences. And if it continued, perhaps it will have to face the same for centuries
what an article. excellent.rips apart the bogey of pakistan is not Islam[/b

Poak peculiar primatic psychological make up is of legendary level. Even Vir Sanghvi admit that more Islam is the key to punish Poakistas. Poak and islam remind me of old Yamraj Singing..
Kaun hai yeh kaun jisne mujhe jagaya
Poakland me aaj Yamloak se bulaya !
kaaaaaaaaaaaaaaun hai !
Its the duty of kuffar to not let Poaks extricate themselves from their Islam.Islam is what Pakistan is < Pakistan is what islam is . This eternal equation is like eternal virginity of hoors.

[VikramS]

VikramS,

You are missing the core issue and beating to death your theory which I grant is quite plausible. Of course, there is every chance that US & Panda will still continue their diabolical India containment strategy even if Isalmists take over TSP. But the point is that an Isalmist take over will be a game changer from India's POV. Right now with TSP RAPE as a smokescreen, India is unable to extricate itself in any meaningful way from the equal equal box. This sad fact is the colossal fraud that has been heaped on India by the west. An Islamist take over could possibly reverse that and provides an opening for India.

I am not sure what core-issue you are talking about. The question I have very simple:

-> How will the 3.5 customers of TSP react if the beards takeover instead of the RAPE?
-> Assuming that the 3.5 customers will not tolerate the beard, what is the path taken; i.e. what will be the chess moves?

I do not believe that India is unable to extricate itself hypothesis. China had a national vision and she has not only extricated herself but is now aiming for the top spot. India could very easily extricate herself if she had the same sense of commitment and purpose.

This thought that a Islamist TSP will end the equal-equal is a pipe-dream. Equal-Equal is a fallout of the 3.5 customers co-opting the TSP; it is not an active strategy with an end-goal itself. Everyone knows that there is no equal-equal RAPE smoke-screen or not; it is just a form of jaziya being paid to the TSP. Whoever co-opts the Islamist (if that indeed happens) will continue with the equal-equal.

[RajeshA]

I don't know know how many people following this thread experience this. It is a gnawing thing that runs in the mind - you look for reasons and words to explain why Pakis behave the way they do. You want to "define" a Grand Unified Paki Theory from which many theories emanate, each of which substantiates or extrapolates this Grand Unified Paki Theory!

My attempt at defining this thing came to this:
For a Paki, any immoral or deceitful behaviour is ok as long as it is a kaffir and their religious code allows this.
Problem is, you hit a mental roadblock when Pakis exhibit this behaviour among themselves and with the Islamic world.

No Problem.

The corollary states if the others can be deemed* less Islamic then its allowed to deal with them in same manner.
* Whoever is in power can do the deeming! There is precedent for this. Recall all those contradictory hadiths.

A desperate call by Mujahid Eshai: Daily Times

The fact again is that this society continues to suffer from delusions of feudalism even whilst it goes around the world with a begging bowl in its hands. Feudalism today is not just about landholdings, it is about a state of mind that is shown in all types of relationships, where every other person is deemed a lesser person. Feudalism today is a matter of attitude and conduct. Even those who do not possess the economic power behave likewise. It is the style.

The landholdings and award of jagirs continues to be a very important aspect of our society. The state still awards land to the civil and military bureaucracy for services rendered. State land is leased not to the landless hari (peasant) but to those who have the means to cultivate it. In other words, more power to the powerful.