Engine is smoky at 1:25minWilly wrote:
The Rafale was designed to be semi-stealthy, at least headon. Anyone have any info on the active radar cancellation that it is supposed to possess?
What is measure of the smokey of the engine
Engine is smoky at 1:25minWilly wrote:
The Rafale was designed to be semi-stealthy, at least headon. Anyone have any info on the active radar cancellation that it is supposed to possess?
The thrust/weight ratio if you look at empty weight looks very close to 1:1, but when we load things on the plane, it would I think drop significantly. Is T/W very important though?sumshyam wrote:Wiki quotes asCarl_T wrote:Isn't the Rafale significantly underpowered?
I think it is same as Kaveri Engine we have.# Powerplant: 2× Snecma M88-2 turbofans
* Dry thrust: 50.04 kN (11,250 lbf) each
* Thrust with afterburner: 75.62 kN (17,000 lbf) each
Hi Karan, they're Decalskaran_mc wrote:Every Air force in the world is having a Squadron named has "Tiger squadrons" nice paint job ,are they using now machine operated robots for this fine digital prints ?
Its smoky at 5:30, 6:25, 6:41 & 6:54 too. Why so ?Acharya wrote:Engine is smoky at 1:25minJames B wrote:Video of a very agile Rafale at an air show
What is measure of the smokey of the engine
Praetorian DASS is already employed in the Eurofighter Tranche 2 aircraft. They are also supplied with the capacity for additional enhancements that can meet clients’ current and future operational requirements.
They parted ways not because the French wanted multi-role and that EADS (which didn't exist as EADS back then) wanted an air-superiority design.paramyog wrote:Lovely pics..!!
Although I m a die hard EF fan, there is something that makes Rafale a class apart.
The reason EADS & Dassault parted ways in the Delta Canard fighter program was the fact that EADS wanted a Hard core Air Superiority Combat Aircraft. Dassault on the other hand, wanted a Fighter that could fit in multiple roles with ease of operation, adaptability and compatibility with purely air or naval platforms.
Yesterday began the official visit of the delegation of the Russian Air Force General Command, headed by Air Force Commander Col. Gen. Alexander Zelin said in India. , Told news agencies the official representative of the Office of Press and Information Service Ministry of Defence Lt. Col. Vladimir Drick.
Now the Indian Air Force carried out a tender to supply Delhi 126 medium multi-purpose fighter aircraft (MMRCA). In addition to its U.S. F/A-18E/F Super Hornet aircraft firm Boeing, as well as the F-16 Fating Falcon firm Lockheed Martin, the French Dassault Aviation Rafale with the Swedish SAAB JAS-39 Grippen, Europe (UK-Germany-Italy-Spain) Eurofighter EF-200 Typhoon, and our country is involved with multipurpose fighter MiG-35 that has an adjustable thrust vector and there are other martial dignity. Tests of the competing cars are already on the local air bases in the most difficult conditions of air combat, with a massive impact on their means, electronic warfare, countering other aircraft. A local media closely follow the situation and sometimes "issue on the air" such messages, which can lead to confusion of national experts.
For example, they reported recently that in the final part of the tender included the French and European fighters, and the Russian MiG-35 could not stand trial because of the engine, a resource which struck the Indian Air Force leaders inadequate. And though the Indian Air Force command denied a post as unreliable, General Zelin, as well as his subordinate, General Gradusovu certainly have to work hard to convince their senior Indian colleagues that our fighter still the best of all, that put up for competition. Also, ask them or not, time will tell. But $ 11 billion, which promised the winner, are to Air Force Commander has worked sometimes and salesman.
the compettition started off as 8 billion so don't be surprised if the value reached 12 billion by the time contract is signed.Christopher Sidor wrote:^^^
11 Billion ? I thought this tender was for 10 Billion. Is this a typo or something else?
FYI - Strategypage has been deemed unreliable news and info source by mods in the past Christopher..Christopher Sidor wrote:http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htmurp ... 00909.aspx
what applies for Mig-29 may also apply for mig-35.
better translation:shukla wrote:Gen. Zelin became a traveling salesman (English translation from Russian)
Yesterday began the official visit of the delegation of the Russian Air Force General Command, headed by Air Force Commander Col. Gen. Alexander Zelin said in India. , Told news agencies the official representative of the Office of Press and Information Service Ministry of Defence Lt. Col. Vladimir Drick.For example, they reported recently that in the final part of the tender included the French and European fighters, and the Russian MiG-35 could not stand trial because of the engine, a resource which struck the Indian Air Force leaders inadequate. And though the Indian Air Force command denied a post as unreliable, General Zelin, as well as his subordinate, General Gradusovu certainly have to work hard to convince their senior Indian colleagues that our fighter still the best of all, that put up for competition. Also, ask them or not, time will tell. But $ 11 billion, which promised the winner, are to Air Force Commander has worked sometimes and salesman.
http://www.oyetimes.com/news/india/5781 ... -air-forceFor instance, the media reported that the French and European models made it to the final round, while Russia’s MiG-35 was cut because the Indian air force leadership regarded its engine as being insufficient. Although India’s air force commander has denied these reports as being inaccurate, three-star general Zelin and his subordinate, commander Gradusov, will almost certainly have to invest a lot of time and effort to convince their Indian counterparts that Russia’s MiG-35 is still the best in show. Will they be able to pull it off? Only time will tell. But whatever the case, the $11 billion promised to the winner of the tender is enough case in point for Russia’s high command to, from time to time, take on the role of door-to-door salesman.
Hello Sir,Singha wrote:I think one of rafale cons is Snecma has no engine powerful enough to match the proposed EJ210+ nor plans to make one.
On the downside -Singha wrote: only gripen-NG and EF are left as +ve contenders imo with EF holding the edge due to
- drdo complex wont have any objection due to different category from tejas
- ej200 engine possibility for mk2 tejas
- no key american comp unlike 414 on gripen
- bigger and more diversified industrial complex behind ef , more users, more chance of future upgrades
You meant haram, perhapsGaur wrote:Christopher Sidor,
Again...strategypage is halal on BRF.
What comes first supply or demand type of issue. The European partners could do without AESA for their own use(because of their austerity drive) in case EF is not selected but if we select EF i.e. create demand then they won’t mind. So let's create the demand. It should not be an issue imho.nachiket wrote:
- No timeframe for operationalization of CAPTOR-E/CAESAR/Selex AESA whatever they are going with
Singha has already answered this.nachiket wrote: - Suspect A-to-G capability compared to Rafale/SH
There is an optimum survivable payload for flying over SAM ridden areas. By the time India can fly an overloaded “bombtruck” config over an enemy it most likely doesn't need to use what hangs down from the wings.nachiket wrote: - Lower Payload than rafale despite more powerful engines and same/greater size
Jaguars weren’t grounded after 1998. They would be pragmatic enough not to spoil own records in a direct revenue streamnachiket wrote: - UKstan is american poodle. They will slap sanctions on us as soon as massa asks them to.
Even Su MKI was expensive when first acquired and a program Sukhoi Double bill was shown to janata to explain why it was justified.nachiket wrote: - Huge cost (common with Rafale and SH) Plans to increase numbers to around 200 will never materialize.
But the IN Seakings were grounded due to lack of spares from UK.Arya Sumantra wrote:Jaguars weren’t grounded after 1998. They would be pragmatic enough not to spoil own records in a direct revenue streamnachiket wrote: - UKstan is american poodle. They will slap sanctions on us as soon as massa asks them to.
nachiket wrote: - Huge cost (common with Rafale and SH) Plans to increase numbers to around 200 will never materialize.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO1009/S ... ucture.htm"The Obama administration is trying to persuade New Delhi to buy American jet fighters instead [of Russian ones], a shift White House officials say would lead to closer military and political relations between India and the US. It would also be a bonanza for U.S. defense contractors, and [the White House] has dispatched senior officials such as Mr. Gates to New Delhi to deliver the message that Washington hopes India will choose American defense firms for major purchases in the years ahead."
The Wall Street Journal quoted Tom Captain, vice chairman and Global and U.S. Aerospace & Defense director at Deloitte headquarters in New York, as claiming "For 2010 and 2011, India could well be the most important market in the world for defense contractors looking to make foreign military sales," where Russian equipment accounts for about 70 percent of that currently in use.
Referring to India's plans to spend $10 billion for 126 multirole combat aircraft, Captain added: "That's the biggest deal in the world right now. If it goes to an American firm, that would be the final nail in the coffin in terms of India shifting its allegiance from Russia to the U.S." Chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Michael Mullen was in the Indian capital on July 22-23 and met with Defence Minister AK Antony, Air Chief Marshal Pradeep Vasant Naik and other military leaders. As a local news agency divulged, "Mullen's visit comes at a time when both sides are looking at expanding defence cooperation across a swathe of areas. The visit also coincides with intensified lobbying for the $10 billion contract for 126 fighters for the Indian Air Force (IAF)."
The White House is negotiating new export control agreements with India to assist American arms firms to sell more high-technology weapons to the Asian nation.