Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 10 Sep 2010 06:04

India's defense expenses to be 2nd highest in Asia-Pacific by 2016

With government importing a major share of its defense requirements, the amount is set to reach to $100 billion.

Defense offsets could be 30 to 50 percent of the value of the purchase; they are a big opportunity for the local industry to partner with the best global companies in terms of technology and be their sources of products and services, said the report.

csharma · Post by **csharma** » 10 Sep 2010 07:12

Isn't $100 billion a bit too high by 2016? Right now it is ~$35 billion.

Assuming a $2.5 trillion economy and 3% defence expenditure, total spending would be $75 billion.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 10 Sep 2010 22:18

Sometime ago in this thread I had said the UPA was hell bent on ensuring that force modrnization of IA doesn't happen for whatever reasons- piss process, assure US that they won't get heart attacks like during Parakram etc. Here is an example of the tactics used.

Manish_Sharma wrote:Amazing facts by Shekhar Gupta in today's indian express article:
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/unite ... e/677015/2
And we, meanwhile, cannot decide to buy an artillery gun for our army in 23 years, have critical defence acquisitions blocked because the director of the CBI produced a list of charges against certain suppliers and has not yet backed it even with an FIR. And do you want to know how scandalous this is? The omnipotent CBI chief, modern-day Indian equivalent of Stalin’s infamous hatchet-man Beria (show me the man, I will give you the crime), gave these charges not even on his agency’s letterhead but on a plain piece of paper and, most breathtaking of all, did not even sign it. And yet the government, and the mighty Cabinet Committee on Security, have not been able to toss aside this incredible spanner.

The fact that it was on plain paper and without signatures but accepted by highest govt body shows it was upon direction from higher authorities. The official didnt want to use official stationary for such sabotage. Hence the plain paper.

Shekar Dupatta knows better than that to blame the CBI director.

In UPA "Power grows out of the Dynasty barrel".

Avarachan · Post by **Avarachan** » 10 Sep 2010 23:25

Ramana, I don't know about this. I agree, the delay in the modernization of the Army is pathetic and should not be tolerated. But it's curious that under this same government, modernization of the Air Force is proceeding at a strong pace.

For the record, I care neither for the Congress Party nor the BJP. But I don't see the evidence for a conspiracy.

(And if anyone brings up the delays in the MMRCA, keep in mind that since the contest started, India has ordered an additional 80 MKI's, 20 LCA MK-I's, and (implicitly) 200+ FGFA's. In a certain sense, the delay in the MMRCA contest has been a godsend, in that it has allowed the LCA and the PAK-FA/FGFA programs to mature.)

Also, under this same government, the Army has procured BrahMos Block II. That weapon is Cold Start cubed. Keep that in mind in the midst of all the chatter by politicians.

Rupesh · Post by **Rupesh** » 10 Sep 2010 23:48

India has ordered an additional 80 MKI's

IIRC its 42

Nirmal · Post by **Nirmal** » 11 Sep 2010 01:46

That quote is for SU30MKI that is 2 batchs of 40+40+2 (2 for attrition replacement).

shukla · Post by **shukla** » 11 Sep 2010 07:41

India: U.S. Completes Global Military Structure

It quoted an Indian journalist, Rahul Bedi, a contributor to Jane's Defence Weekly, as stating "No one else is buying like India.” Earlier this year the authoritative Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) disclosed that India had become the world's second-largest importer of weapons from 2005-2009, "importing 7% of the world’s arms exports." Only China imported more weaponry, though that nation is slated to purchase less foreign arms, both aggregate and percentile, in the coming years and the largest foreign supplier of its weapons is a non-Western country, Russia.

Reports in both the Russian and Chinese press speculate that when U.S. President Barack Obama visits India in November he "may secure $5 billion worth of arms sales," a deal that "would make the US replace Russia as India's biggest arms supplier" and "help India curb China's rise." The unprecedented weapons transactions could include "Patriot air defence batteries and Boeing mid-air refueling tankers.

"Observers point out that the role of India's biggest arms supplier is shifting from Russia to the United States." A Chinese news source added that Washington will also supply New Delhi with howitzers and that "the total cost of the deal may exceed $10 billion...."

"India is one of the largest buyers of foreign-made munitions, with a long shopping list which includes warships, fighter jets, tanks and other weapons. Its defense budget is $30 billion for the fiscal year ending March 31, a 70% increase from five years ago"

Last October 12-29 the U.S. Army participated in the latest and largest of Yudh Abhyas ("training for war") war games held since 2004 with its Indian counterpart. Exercise Yudh Abhyas 2009 featured 1,000 troops, the U.S.'s Javelin anti-tank missile system and the first deployment of American Stryker armored combat vehicles outside the Afghan and Iraqi theaters of war. The Strykers were tested against Indian T-90 tanks, "currently the most modern tank[s] in service with the Russian Ground Forces and Naval Infantry."

The U.S. ambassador to India, Timothy Roemer, said of the military maneuvers: "The broadened and unprecedented scope of Yudh Abhyas stands as a testament to the growing people-to-people and military-to-military ties of the United States and India, one of the key pillars of the expanded U.S.-India strategic partnership." The Pentagon showcased both the Strykers and the Javelin third generation anti-tank guided missiles during the biggest-ever joint U.S.-Indian ground combat exercises and not without the desired effect.

An American press agency disclosed on September 3 that "Russia has traditionally been India's largest arms supplier but following evidence of the capabilities of U.S. military equipment during joint exercises with the Indian army, navy and air force, the Indian army decided to purchase several hundred Javelin anti-tank guided missiles, demonstrated during the war games....The Javelins were deployed for Indian forces for the first time in the Yudh Abhyas 09 joint military exercise in Babina, the largest war game that the two armies have had." [16]

Last month the Times of India reported that "India will order a 'large' number of the quite-expensive Javelin ATGM systems from the US. "The deal for the man-portable, fire-and-forget Javelin ATGM systems will once again be a direct government-to-government one under the American foreign military sales (FMS) programme, without any global multi-vendor competition. "While the exact number of Javelin systems India will induct is yet to be decided, it could well run into thousands. The Army, after all, has a shortfall of around 44,000 ATGMs of different types...."

In July the Raytheon Company announced that India is evaluating the Patriot ground-based anti-ballistic missile system for purchase and deployment and that the U.S. had provided New Delhi with "classified" material on it recently. Sales of Patriot Advanced Capability-3 interceptor missiles to India are reported to be on Barack Obama's agenda during his November visit.

By acquiring them, India would join fellow Asia-Pacific nations Japan, South Korea and Taiwan as well as NATO members Germany, Spain, the Netherlands and Greece and U.S. Middle East military clients Israel, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates.Joseph Garrett, Raytheon vice president and deputy for Patriot programs, disclosed that "A number of exchanges have taken place between the government of India and the US and information has been given to India at the classified level." Patriots were "successfully used during both Desert Storm and Operation Iraqi Freedom, Patriot's manufacturer Raytheon has said." [18] Seven consecutive years of Yudh Abhyas war games aren't the only joint U.S.-Indian military exercises

Patriot for India on Obama visit??

SriSri · Post by **SriSri** » 11 Sep 2010 08:35

Haha .. Patriots may coincide with PAKFA

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PAKFA: India, Russia Likely to Sign Co-Development Agreement in December 2010

http://www.india-defence.com/reports-4512

India and Russia will each pledge $6 billion to co-develop the a fifth generation fighter aircraft. Russian and Indian negotiators have finalized a preliminary design contract (PDC) after years on negotiation, just in time for Russian President Dimitry Medvedev's visit to India in December.

Business Standard quotes Ministry of Defence officials saying "The negotiators have done their job, and the Cabinet Committee for Security will consider the PDC, probably this month ... If the CCS gives the green signal, as is likely, the contract will be signed during Medvedev's visit."

Ashok Nayak. Chairman of HAL, was quoted in the past weeks saying, "It is in the system for approval .. The respective work shares have been agreed to by both sides and once we sign the preliminary design contract, we will finish the design in about 18 months. Developing and building the fighter could take 8-10 years, and each side will pay $6 billion as its share."

Both the Russian and Indian Air Forces each plan to induct around 250 fighters, at an estimated cost of $100 million per aircraft. That adds up to $25 billion on top of the development cost. The high cost presumably prompted Russia into co-development with India.

Last year high costs and economic downturn forced the United States to limit the F-22 Raptor production to 187 aircrafts - half of the estimate requirement of the USAF. Technologies in the F-22 were critical to America's technological superiority, the fighter was developed and built entirely within the US making production very expensive at $340 million per fighter on top of development costs.

Russia initially offered India partnership in the fighter program in 2002. This project saw a revival in the Russia-India inter-government agreement in November 2007.

This was a first for co-development of fighters by India and Russia. HAL sources commented, "This is the first time that Russia is co-developing a cutting-edge military platform with another country. Therefore, they were unclear about how to share work in a top-secret project like this ... Before each step, the Russian officials wanted clearances from the highest level in Moscow. Those 'presidential decrees', as they call them, took their time."

It has taken nearly years from the inter-government agreement to negotiate a general contract and non-disclosure agreement. In March 2010, a tactical technical assignment was signed, in which the work-shares were agreed upon.

Sukhoi Design Bureau has built a basic fifth-generation fighter - the PAK-FA (Perspektivnyi Aviatsionnyi Kompleks Frontovoi Aviatsy). A prototype made its first flight in January 2010.

India's will contribute to roughly 30% of the design effort. This will center on composite components and high-end electronics like the mission computer, avionics, cockpit displays and the electronic warfare systems. In addition, India will have to redesign the single-seat PAK-FA into the two-seater fighter that the IAF prefers. Like the Sukhoi-30MKI, IAF prefers one pilot flying and the other handling sensors, networks and weaponry.

References:
-- Business Standard
-- Wikipedia

shukla · Post by **shukla** » 18 Sep 2010 14:12

X-post India-Russia thread..

India Set For 4-Year Run as Russia's Top Customer

India surpassed China in 2007 with purchases of Russian arms worth $1.5 billion. In 2008, Algeria pulled ahead of India. But in 2009, New Delhi regained the lead, importing Russian arms worth $1.78 billion, twice as much as China's $848 million, according to the Center for Analysis of International Arms Trade, a local think tank.

For the nearest four years - from 2010 to 2013 - India will remain the biggest client, accounting for 54.4 percent, or $15.16 billion, of the Russian foreign defense orders portfolio for this period, according to the center. Vietnam's orders for this period come second in size, reaching $3 billion.

kit · Post by **kit** » 21 Sep 2010 15:08

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/news ... wsid=13440

The bits and pieces might be the tech solution for the L&T,Mahindras and Tatas seeking to get into the defence manufacturing .. maybe Reliance as well.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 23 Sep 2010 07:51

TOI reports today the IAF will release a RFI for purchasing and license making a significant of long range and high power radars capable of classifying small a.c and drones at upto 400-500km.

this is apparently to plug the gaps in central and south india, apart from beefing up coverage in north.

SriSri · Post by **SriSri** » 23 Sep 2010 08:05

First came..
Honeywell Develops New Engine for Indian Air Force Jaguar Fighters

Then..
HAL to Manufacture Honeywell Engines

Offsets in Action 101

shukla · Post by **shukla** » 27 Sep 2010 19:14

IAF to get more flying machines

Indian Air Force (IAF) will procure an array of fighter aircraft and equipment with new technologies to mark its presence in every inch of the Indian skies.

This was announced by Air Marshal PV Athawale, air officer commanding -in-chief, maintenance command at the Air Force Association- Tamil Nadu branch's 30th anniversary held at Tambaram on Saturday.

"Trials of Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) are on. We will also be purchasing heavy-lift transport aircraft, attack and medium-lift helicopters and refuelling aircraft. The replacement of radars and missiles is also in the pipeline," he said.

Athawale said the gigabyte digital information grid of IAF, Air Force Network (AFNET) was launched on September 14. "Work on the Integrated Air Command and Control System (IACCS) is also on. Through this IAF will connect all of its space, air and ground assets quickly, for total awareness of a region. This will offer connectivity for all the ground platforms and airborne platforms, as a part of the network centricity of IAF," he said.

The IACCS also facilitates real-time transport of images, data and voice, amongst satellites, aircraft and ground stations, said Athawale. Speaking about man power, he said efforts were being made to train future air warriors using the most modern technology.

SriSri · Post by **SriSri** » 28 Sep 2010 18:53

Cross posting..

SriSri wrote:BAE Systems accepts System Integration Facility Clause enabling 74 per cent FDI in Defense

PTI wires...

Juggi G · Post by **Juggi G** » 29 Sep 2010 08:22

BAE Systems Willing to Accept Rider on FDI in Defence
The Economic Times

Juggi G · Post by **Juggi G** » 29 Sep 2010 22:25

Clinton Pitches for India to Buy US Defense Equipments
Rediff India

As India goes ahead with its plan to modernise the armed forces, US has pitched for India to buy defense equipments from American companies. "We think we have the finest military hardware in the world, and if India is upgrading its defense capabilities, they should buy American," State Department spokesman, P J Crowley told reporters in response to a question on the meeting between Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Defence Minister A K Antony at the Foggy Bottom headquarters.

Juggi G · Post by **Juggi G** » 29 Sep 2010 22:27

1st Indo-Japanese Military Talks Begin in Tokyo
Defense News

NEW DELHI - India is expanding its defense ties with Japan, a newfound strategic partner in the region, said a senior Defence Ministry official here.

The chief of the Indian Air Force, Air Marshal P.V. Naik, left Sept. 28 for Japan to participate in the first military-to-military talks between the two countries. Naik's visit to Tokyo comes three months ahead of a visit to Japan by Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.

Juggi G · Post by **Juggi G** » 09 Oct 2010 05:56

Dynamatic To Make A320 Wing Flap Track Beams
Aviation Week

JTull · Post by **JTull** » 13 Oct 2010 15:10

India to help enhance Vietnamese military capabilities

In an effort to boost bilateral defence ties, India and Vietnam today announced a slew of measures, including joint army training in mountain and jungle warfare and cooperation in upgrading Hanoi's military capabilities, specially of its Navy.

A day after the First ASEAN Plus Eight Defence Ministers (ADMM) meeting here in which China and US too participated, Defence Minister A K Antony held talks with top Vietnamese leadership during which these measures were decided.

Antony met Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung and Defence Minister Gen Phung Quang Thanh here, among the top Vietnamese leaders.

At the bilateral meetings, the two sides decided that India would provide support to Vietnam "to enhance and upgrade" the capabilities of this country's defence services in general and Navy in particular.

"India will help Vietnam in its capacity building for repair and maintenance of its military platforms. The armies of the two countries will also cooperate in areas like Information Technology and English Training of Vietnamese Army personnel," an Indian Defence Ministry official said here.

Both the armies would also have a joint training in mountain and jungle warfare in India next year, apart from the two sides working towards developing cooperation among defence institutes and establishing linkages for sharing experience and knowledge in military affairs.

Antony offered assistance to Vietnamese forces in UN peace-keeping operations in which India has vast experience.

The two sides also discussed global and regional security issues, particular those concerning the Asian region.

Antony told the Vietnamese leaders that their country occupied a strategic position in India's policy priorities, both bilaterally as well as under its 'Look East' policy.

Gen Thanh thanked India for its valuable contribution to making the ASEAN Defence Ministers' Meeting a great success.

He said India occupied a special position in Hanoi's foreign policy framework and noted, "We are indeed moved by your support."

Gen Thanh welcomed more port calls by Indian naval warships to Vietnam and offered maintenance and repair facilities at Vietnamese ports for these war machines.

Antony also extended an invitation to his Vietnamese counterpart to visit India next year.

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 13 Oct 2010 17:19

JTull wrote:
India to help enhance Vietnamese military capabilities

In an effort to boost bilateral defence ties, India and Vietnam today announced a slew of measures, including joint army training in mountain and jungle warfare and cooperation in upgrading Hanoi's military capabilities, specially of its Navy.

A day after the First ASEAN Plus Eight Defence Ministers (ADMM) meeting here in which China and US too participated, Defence Minister A K Antony held talks with top Vietnamese leadership during which these measures were decided.

Antony met Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung and Defence Minister Gen Phung Quang Thanh here, among the top Vietnamese leaders.

At the bilateral meetings, the two sides decided that India would provide support to Vietnam "to enhance and upgrade" the capabilities of this country's defence services in general and Navy in particular.

"India will help Vietnam in its capacity building for repair and maintenance of its military platforms. The armies of the two countries will also cooperate in areas like Information Technology and English Training of Vietnamese Army personnel," an Indian Defence Ministry official said here.

Both the armies would also have a joint training in mountain and jungle warfare in India next year, apart from the two sides working towards developing cooperation among defence institutes and establishing linkages for sharing experience and knowledge in military affairs.

Antony offered assistance to Vietnamese forces in UN peace-keeping operations in which India has vast experience.

The two sides also discussed global and regional security issues, particular those concerning the Asian region.

Antony told the Vietnamese leaders that their country occupied a strategic position in India's policy priorities, both bilaterally as well as under its 'Look East' policy.

Gen Thanh thanked India for its valuable contribution to making the ASEAN Defence Ministers' Meeting a great success.

He said India occupied a special position in Hanoi's foreign policy framework and noted, "We are indeed moved by your support."

Gen Thanh welcomed more port calls by Indian naval warships to Vietnam and offered maintenance and repair facilities at Vietnamese ports for these war machines.

Antony also extended an invitation to his Vietnamese counterpart to visit India next year.

What an amazing 'record' the Vietnamese armed forces have. Defeating the French, the Americans and the Chinese. Arguably a greater record than even the Israeli Defence Forces. I am sure there must be a lot we can learn from them.

arun · Post by **arun** » 14 Oct 2010 07:32

Indian Army orders communication equipment adapted to withstand extreme environmental conditions from Swedens Aqeri :

Aqeri’s largest export order to date

13 Oct 2010 – Aqeri has received its largest export order to date, worth more than MSEK 8, and the end customer is the Indian Army. For a long time Aqeri has been building up strong confidence in its products and is now beginning to reap the rewards of its work. The order, consisting of communication equipment adapted to withstand the extreme environmental conditions in Asia, will take place during the first and second quarters of 2011.

The order is the third in a row in this project and refers to the final part of a test series prior to the start of volume series. The Indian Navy has also shown interest in the same solution.

Similar products have been successfully tested for some years in another large project, a radar system, at a few places along India’s border.

"After 8 year’s presence in India with a number of small experimental orders where we have proved our competence we are now beginning to approach the larger projects, which is tremendously exciting" says Jan Israelsson, CEO of Aqeri.

Clicky

Juggi G · Post by **Juggi G** » 15 Oct 2010 10:10

India Expands Defense Ties With Vietnam
Defense News

arun · Post by **arun** » 17 Oct 2010 14:44

X Posted Article which speaks of :

1.RFI for an AEW&C
2.RFP for Mid Air Refuellers
3.Update on the 22 Attack and 15 Heavy Lift Helicopter acquisition plans of the IAF.
4.Negotiations for C-17 Globemaster III proceeding smoothly:

TOI

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 18 Oct 2010 11:22

US seeks billions in India deals
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... TopStories

Juggi G · Post by **Juggi G** » 18 Oct 2010 19:44

France Pitches for India to Join Military Operations Overseas
By Claude Arpi

Juggi G · Post by **Juggi G** » 19 Oct 2010 23:23

EADS Defence & Security in India

Juggi G · Post by **Juggi G** » 20 Oct 2010 08:12

American Defense Buyers To Meet With Indian Suppliers
Aviation Week

Juggi G · Post by **Juggi G** » 21 Oct 2010 14:33

France Pitches for India to Join Military Operations Overseas

Juggi G · Post by **Juggi G** » 21 Oct 2010 14:58

Eurocopter to Set Up Subsidiary
Daily News & Analysis

Juggi G · Post by **Juggi G** » 21 Oct 2010 22:21

Eurocopter to Set Up India Engineering Center

Juggi G · Post by **Juggi G** » 21 Oct 2010 22:31

Hard Bargain on US Pacts
The Telegraph - Calcutta

Juggi G · Post by **Juggi G** » 22 Oct 2010 08:57

India Set To Bag $10B In Defense Offset Work
Aviation Week

Juggi G · Post by **Juggi G** » 22 Oct 2010 08:58

Indian Defense Opportunities Grow
Aviation Week

Juggi G · Post by **Juggi G** » 22 Oct 2010 08:59

Indian Eurocopter Subsidiary Plans MRO Venture
Aviation Week

arun · Post by **arun** » 24 Oct 2010 20:43

X posted from the Indian Naval Discussion thread.

I thought the acquisition of a nuclear submarine by India from Russia was an “officially” acknowledged fact.

So what is behind the Russian Federation Ambassador to India Alexander M Kadakin saying this ? :

"Akula, I do not know anything about it. Lets talk about any other submarine, I do not know anything about this particular submarine. India, I know, is also constructing a (nuclear-powered) submarine. About this submarine (Akula), do not ask me anything, I do not know anything,"

From PTI via IBN:

''Delays in Indo-Russian defence projects must be excused''

Juggi G · Post by **Juggi G** » 26 Oct 2010 16:23

Indian Defense Industry Cautious But Hopeful, Report Says
Aviation Week

Juggi G · Post by **Juggi G** » 27 Oct 2010 03:48

Trade to be focus of Manmohan's Malaysia visit

On the strategic front, if cooperation with Japan was outlined by a dialogue on civil nuclear cooperation and joint ventures in rare earth minerals,

Talks with Malaysia will include Training of its Pilots,
Upkeep of Defence Equipment
and alliances in the petroleum sector.

From developing defence ties with a memorandum of understanding in 1993, Malaysia and India have come a long way. Soon after the September 11, 2001 attacks in the United States, navies of both countries undertook joint-patrolling of the highly vulnerable Malacca Straits along with Indonesia and Singapore. India is now participating in the Cooperative Mechanism on the Straits of Malacca and Singapore for enhancement of navigational safety and environmental protection.

Cross Visits by Service Chiefs have led to the Deployment of an Indian Air Force Training Team to Train Malaysian Pilots on Sukhoi- 30SKM.

shukla · Post by **shukla** » 27 Oct 2010 11:22

Use that buying clout
Financial Express
Gurmeet Kanwal - The author is director, Centre for Land Warfare Studies, New Delhi...

Will India’s plans for defence modernisation lead to substantive upgrade of India’s defence technology and manufacturing prowess, or will the country’s defence procurement remain mired in disadvantageous buyer-seller, patron-client relationships?

Though the Indo-US nuclear agreement sounded the death knell of the era of defence technology apartheid practised against India, it will still be a decade or more before the ghosts of technology denial regimes are finally buried. The deeply entrenched bureaucracies in the departments of state, defence and commerce around the Washington beltway will take quite some time to finally accept India as a co-equal partner with whom dual-use technologies can be shared to mutual advantage.

Meanwhile, India too has some growing up of its own to do as the country sheds its suspicions of the past. The government continues to retain its monopoly on defence R&D. It still relies primarily on the public sector for defence production and though it talks about encouraging public-private partnerships, not much has actually happened. The revised Defence Procurement Procedure (DPP 2008) still favours the defence PSUs over the private sector. MNCs are allowed to bring in only up to 26% FDI as against 74% for non-defence sector joint ventures. Procurement of weapons and equipment worth more than Rs 300 crore from MNCs has been linked with 30-50% offsets though it is doubtful whether the economy is ready to absorb such high levels of offsets. These measures will together gradually bring in much needed investment and will result in the infusion of cutting edge defence technology.

The DRDO is in the process of implementing the report of the P Rama Rao committee that had asked it to identify 8 to 10 critical areas that best fit its existing human resource pool, technological threshold and established capacity to take up new projects. Since its inception in 1958, the DRDO has achieved some spectacular successes, but also has many signal failures to its name.

As a growing economic powerhouse that also enjoys considerable buyer’s clout in the defence market, India should no longer be satisfied with buyer-seller, patron-client relationships in its future defence procurement planning. In all major defence acquisitions in future, India should insist on joint development, joint testing and trials, joint production, joint marketing and joint product improvement over the life cycle of the equipment. No company that does not agree to provide genuine transfer of technology should be shortlisted for trials and competitive bidding.

However, India cannot leap-frog to a higher plane virtually overnight. The immediate requirement is to think big in keeping with the country’s growing global status and to plan for the future with a level of confidence that policy planners have not dared to exhibit before. In 10 to 15 years India must acquire all its defence needs only from Indian companies—with or without a joint venture with an MNC. Only then will the era of self reliance dawn on India.

Juggi G · Post by **Juggi G** » 27 Oct 2010 15:18

Better Relations with Russia
Emerging Global Challenges as the Catalyst
by Harsh V. Pant

The Tribune, Chandigarh, India - Opinions

koti · Post by **koti** » 28 Oct 2010 13:40

GeorgeWelch wrote:
One where we get to co-develop futuristic technologies and the other where we buy retired or about to be retired equipment.
Like the P-8I and the Gorshkov?

No. Not exactly like that. It is a little different.

The only retired part we are getting in Gorshkov is its hull.

The remaining systems like radars, SAM's Electronics,engines, deck enlargement, support equipment, navigational equipment to name a few have been modified or customized or installed in it.
Now comparing this effort with that of Trenton is not correct. I would be glad if you can mention any similar or similar to its $50mil scale customization that has taken place for its operation with IN.

Coming to P-8I except for the comm and data links, the rest are same as in the USN version. Probably scaled down version but still very potent indeed.
And I would like to know what customization we would be allowed to do on them without help from OEM apart from changing their tires.