Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 2010

milindc · Post by **milindc** » 14 Sep 2010 09:52

shiv wrote:
jagga wrote:Must Watch...Must Watch!!
Sorry. This is not a must watch. It's a must not watch. It is better suited for BENIS - it is a complete waste of bandwidth on this thread.

I did notice something useful which I didn't know about earlier. One of the clowns, with glasses, claims to be a British National. So I guess pakis MPAs are allowed dual nationality.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 14 Sep 2010 11:20

National bird is doing a good job in TSP.
Pakistan drone attack kills seven in North Waziristan

At least seven militants died when missiles fired by a suspected US drone aircraft hit a house in north-western Pakistan, security officials said.

The missiles struck a militant hideout in Shawal district in the North Waziristan region on the Afghan border.

The area, a stronghold of the Taliban and al-Qaeda, has been repeatedly hit by similar attacks.

The attacks have killed more than 700 people since January 2009 and fuelled anti-American sentiment in Pakistan.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 14 Sep 2010 11:42

Pakistan wouldn’t let India be a friend in need

The relevant excerpts from the article.

Having agreed at Thimpu to find ways to build trust between our two countries, will Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani explain why his government failed the peace agenda by keeping people apart in this hour of crisis? Can he think of a better confidence building measure than Islamabad and New Delhi together serving the flood victims— taking them as citizens of South Asia?

I am certain these questions will never fetch a considered response. The malaise lies in misplaced national pride that in Pakistan is driven by the baggage of history, the establishment’s militarist mindset and the political myopia of right-wing parties.

The resident WKK of Hindustian time writes. On aman ki asha

Responding to my mubarak message on Eid, Pak television anchor Hamid Mir wrote back asking: “I’ve had many from India greeting me this year. Is it the impact of Indo-Pak unity on the tennis field (read the US Open where Rohan Bopanna and Aisam-ul-Qureshi captured headlines by reaching the double’s final)?”

Yes and no, I thought. It has less to do with tennis and more with the devastation wrought by floods. Listen to India’s heartbeat Hamid and play it loud on your channel. Or else there wouldn’t be any asha for aman.

On the whole a good read asking good questions showing that even the resident WKK have the commonsense to see the behaviour of TSP. Along with the pain it causes to them.

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 14 Sep 2010 12:24

As per the recently declassified documents (relating to circa 2002)from the State Department.
Don't push us too far on Kashmir, its ours: Pak to US
It will take us another decade to find out the current vibes/signals between the two allies.
The wait is killing.

Nayak · Post by **Nayak** » 14 Sep 2010 12:31

Dilbu wrote:National bird is doing a good job in TSP.
Pakistan drone attack kills seven in North Waziristan
At least seven militants died when missiles fired by a suspected US drone aircraft hit a house in north-western Pakistan, security officials said.

The missiles struck a militant hideout in Shawal district in the North Waziristan region on the Afghan border.

The area, a stronghold of the Taliban and al-Qaeda, has been repeatedly hit by similar attacks.

The attacks have killed more than 700 people since January 2009 and fuelled anti-American sentiment in Pakistan.

Some Madrassa Math.

Jan 2009 to Dec 2009 - 365 days
Jan 2010 to Sept 2010 - 273

Total sum of days = (365 + 273) = 638

Average dropping per day = 700/638 = 1.0972 Abduls halaaled

From wiki

Statistics
US Drone Strike Statistics[1]
Year--Number of Drone Strikes--Total Killed
2004--------------1-----------------5
2005--------------2-----------------7
2006--------------2----------------23
2007--------------4----------------74
2008--------------33--------------296
2009--------------53--------------709
2010--------------64--------------573
Total--------------159-----------1,687

Projection for 2010 92 824

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drone_attacks_in_Pakistan

Generally the UAVs used are MQ-1 Predator and more recently MQ-9 Reaper firing AGM-114 Hellfire missiles. The drones have become a weapon of choice for the United States in the fight against al-Qaeda.[

Each Hellfire weighs 47 kg / 106 pounds, including the 9 kg / 20 pound warhead, and has a range of 8,000 meters. As of late 2007, some 21,000 Hellfire IIs have been built since 1990, at a cost of about $68,000 each.

Doing the math - $ 10812000 spent as travel expense on the rasta-e-jannat. That is for the missiles alone, now about the opex I am unable to find a figure. Can somebody draw up a idea on the opex on an hourly/daily basis of sending the predator on its daily stroll ?

jagga · Post by **jagga** » 14 Sep 2010 14:12

shiv wrote:
jagga wrote:Must Watch...Must Watch!!
Sorry. This is not a must watch. It's a must not watch. It is better suited for BENIS - it is a complete waste of bandwidth on this thread.

Shiv ..Deleted and moved to Benis

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 14 Sep 2010 14:52

kenop wrote:As per the recently declassified documents (relating to circa 2002)from the State Department.
Don't push us too far on Kashmir, its ours: Pak to US
It will take us another decade to find out the current vibes/signals between the two allies.
The wait is killing.

At the same meeting, Pakistan pleaded with the US to provide it with an aerial surveillance capability.

Pakistan would have no objection to the same capability being provided to India, the Pakistani official said and proposed that it might be an excellent confidence building measure, as if the two sides could see what was happening across the border to reduce the possibility of misconstruing what the other side was doing, the documents said.

Ah - so they do want it for anti-India activities.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 14 Sep 2010 14:59

nayak (some suggestions)
number of flight hours; average predator/drone mission hrs = x (4-8?)
cost per flight hour = y (fuel, crew, direct and indirect - e.g. ATC, sigint)
number of ground hours per flight hour = z
cost per ground hour (maintenance, storage, operating fees, security, mission planning...)
other variable costs...
fixed costs - base infrastructure, supply chain, jaziya...

the cost per one-way flight to jannat may exceed $100,000 quite easily

however, it costs $1m/year per GI on the ground in afghanistan
number of GI's required per equivalent mission...

its still quite cheap (as wars go)

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 14 Sep 2010 15:50

My teacher taught me how to hate by Beenisch Tahir: Tribune Blogs

Neeraj's comment wrote:During the conversation I came to know that he is an ardent atheist. Well, that was not very surprising, but I was certainly shocked when he told me of his frequent visits to mosque just to maintain his respect, not only in the society, but in his own family too! And according to him, he was not an exception, but millions of fellow Pakistanis were forced to live double lives.
That is when I realized Mullah’s enormous influence over Pakistani society despite of not being in power directly as in Iran.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 14 Sep 2010 15:55

Why is Pakistan referred to as "Moth eaten". I know the myth started from Djinnah himself but what caused him to say that ?
When India was partitioned, TSP got part of Punjab which was better developed agriculturally compared to east Punjab with its network of canals.
Karachi, Lahore and Dacca were the prime cities of India. East Pakistan too was doing fine with agriculture especially Jute and rice.
Obviously there were not many industries in Pakistan, but then India itself was no Germany. We hardly were manufacturing great stuff.
What did India had which Pakis did not get to declare themselves as moth eaten or was it one of those myths propagated by Paki rulers to get more baksheesh.
More over when the contours of Pakistan were being developed by Djinnah and Brits, this was more and less the area that was to be given to TSP.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 14 Sep 2010 16:07

moth eaten since they didn't get all of bengal, hyderabad and kashmir as well as the smaller territories they felt were rightfully theirs

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 14 Sep 2010 16:20

VikasRaina wrote:Why is Pakistan referred to as "Moth eaten". I know the myth started from Djinnah himself but what caused him to say that ?
When India was partitioned, TSP got part of Punjab which was better developed agriculturally compared to east Punjab with its network of canals.
Karachi, Lahore and Dacca were the prime cities of India. East Pakistan too was doing fine with agriculture especially Jute and rice.
Obviously there were not many industries in Pakistan, but then India itself was no Germany. We hardly were manufacturing great stuff.
What did India had which Pakis did not get to declare themselves as moth eaten or was it one of those myths propagated by Paki rulers to get more baksheesh.
More over when the contours of Pakistan were being developed by Djinnah and Brits, this was more and less the area that was to be given to TSP.

Vikas - I don't think anyone knew exactly what India and Pakistan would look like until Cyril Radcliffe finished his work.

See this ref:
http://www.enotes.com/topic/Cyril_Radcliffe
Cyril Radcliffe finished his map on 13 Aug 1947. Two days later the job was done.

Perhaps Djinnah expected this?

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 14 Sep 2010 16:52

kenop wrote:As per the recently declassified documents (relating to circa 2002)from the State Department.
Don't push us too far on Kashmir, its ours: Pak to US
It will take us another decade to find out the current vibes/signals between the two allies.
The wait is killing.

The contrours are obvious. After Mush agreed to Gubu, terrorism against India was off the table except for cosmetic statements.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 14 Sep 2010 17:18

kenop wrote:As per the recently declassified documents (relating to circa 2002)from the State Department.
Don't push us too far on Kashmir, its ours: Pak to US
It will take us another decade to find out the current vibes/signals between the two allies.
The wait is killing.

Documents:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB325/index.htm

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 14 Sep 2010 17:29

Paraphrasing one beard to another on Hamid Mir's Capital Talk - Yes, yes, I agree with you that Israel is ultimately responsible for these various attacks, NATO is behind it, but why do our tongues get stuck, when by themselves, Laskhar-e-Jhangvi and elements of the Taliban have claimed responsibility for these incidents?

Nayak · Post by **Nayak** » 14 Sep 2010 17:51

what about the baksheesh to the army roaches for providing intelligence lalmohan? collosal waste of printed paper imho.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 14 Sep 2010 17:55

indeed, baksheesh, gubo fees, vas-el-ud-din, yadda yadda
the cheapest option is to let the pukes stew in their own juices without any propping up
i am sure someone has gamed it and costed it

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 14 Sep 2010 18:00

Non Resident RAPE paki in takleef over the image problem of land of pure. Funny RAPES have now re-started their propoganda after qureshi's speech at flushing medows that there is an image issue that is hampering pakis and no terrorism problem exists.

Changing Times

These days just about everyone in California knows Pakistan, well at least in Southern California where I’ve lived for the past 13 years. When I tell people I’m from Pakistan I often hear responses like, “Pakistan? Isn’t that where Bin Laden is hiding? I hope your family is safe!” Or “Pakistan? Oh that’s where the flood happened isn’t it. Is your family safe?” And my personal favourite as of late, “Pakistan? Wasn’t there something about a gambling scandal with the cricket team?”

Wait this is the United States of Baseball, err … America. Why do people here even know what cricket is, let alone the scandal our team is mired in? (ICC you can thank us for the free publicity in this market, which you so desperately want to break in to).

It wasn’t always like this though. Back in the good old days when I’d tell people I was from the Land of the Pure, the exchange would typically go something like this:

Them: “I’m sorry, where did you say you were from again?”
Me: “Pakistan.”
Them: “Oh, Pakistan … umm … where is that again?”
Me (exasperated): “It’s right next to India …”
Them: “Oh India (face lights up)! How cool!”
Me (resigned tone): “Yes, how cool…” (Take it as a compliment, dear neighbors)

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 14 Sep 2010 18:29

Tall, fair, well dressed with flowing beard paki police is not running scared

I thought only SDRE were supposed to be scared. Mujahids were always ready to shoot their mijjile

Low morale, insecurity grip police

Police using police eascort to move around. Can you beat this?

KARACHI: After intermittent targeted killings of several of their colleagues and subordinates, many police officers have stopped moving about in the city without police escorts, betraying the feeling of insecurity currently gripping the rank and file of the Karachi police, it has emerged.

The Karachi police were suffering from a low morale after the targeted killings of an inspector and a deputy superintendent of police. Earlier, it was low-ranking policemen, including constables and head constables, who were killed while fighting criminals in the city.

Shankas · Post by **Shankas** » 14 Sep 2010 19:25

Police using police eascort to move around. Can you beat this?

KARACHI: After intermittent targeted killings of several of their colleagues and subordinates, many police officers have stopped moving about in the city without police escorts, betraying the feeling of insecurity currently gripping the rank and file of the Karachi police, it has emerged.

Sounds like an SouthPark "Marklar to Marklar" episode.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 14 Sep 2010 19:33

Second US drone strike kills four in Miranshah

MIRANSHAH: A second US missile strike Tuesday killed at least four people in a northwestern Pakistani tribal area, security officials said.

The incident comes as an earlier drone attack claimed the lives of at least 11 people in North Waziristan on Tuesday.

Rahul Shukla · Post by **Rahul Shukla** » 14 Sep 2010 20:32

Drone Acharya performance review summary: 5 Stars!

Militant: U.S. Missile Strikes "Incredible and Accurate"

A Taliban commander in northwest Pakistan tells CBS News a wave of recent U.S. air strikes have had an "incredible and accurate" impact on al Qaeda militants in the Pakistan-Afghanistan border area.

"Within 72 hours, four to five drone attacks in tribal areas have interrupted badly al Qaeda and Pakistani militants," the Pakistani Taliban commander told CBS News' Sami Yousafzai in a telephone interview Tuesday. The Taliban commander, who spoke on the condition that he not be identified by name, said the number of al Qaeda militants in the region was dwindling as a result of the increasing pressure.

"That is a headache and a big worry for the Taliban," he told Yousafzai.

A Pakistani intelligence official said in June that Pakistan had stepped up its cooperation with the U.S. since December 2009, reports CBS News' Farhan Bokhari. In the briefing, the intel official said the boosted cooperation was yielding dividends in the form of praise from Western allies, "because everyone is happier with Pakistan."

praksam · Post by **praksam** » 14 Sep 2010 20:51

Paki realising his true self,
http://tribune.com.pk/story/42158/pakis ... ckroaches/

Pakistan’s human cockroaches

I want Pakistanis to feel shame, in fact a substantial loss of self-esteem would be great. This is the only way for us to begin to doubt ourselves and the incessant excuses we make. Yes, the world is right to add restrictions on our visas, to see us as dangerous. If for even a while we felt we were the cockroaches of the human race, maybe we would get to the point we stopped the lies we tell ourselves and let this continue.

Rahul Shukla · Post by **Rahul Shukla** » 14 Sep 2010 21:07

New info on post-9/11 hunt for bin Laden emerges (CNN)

The former official, who declined to be identified, told CNN that in 2003 and 2004 an informant in the Afghanistan-Pakistan border region with close connections to al Qaeda's top leadership provided a stream of reliable information on bin Laden's movements. But the information was never quite fresh enough for Western intelligence agencies to target al Qaeda's leader.

In 2003-2004, bin Laden spent time in several areas - amid the rugged mountains of Pakistan's Federally Administered Tribal areas and in Pakistan's North West Frontier Province, a more heavily populated area where Pakistan's security forces had a greater presence. But according to the former official, bin Laden shunned big cities, preferring to stay in rural areas. The intelligence stream indicated that al Qaeda's leader also made several trips across into Afghanistan during this period, despite the presence of tens of thousands of U.S. troops.

After 2004 the intelligence stream dried up, according to the former official, who did not elaborate why. But he said that despite the setback, information on al Qaeda's leaders' movements never completely dried up; and recent intelligence suggested bin Laden and al-Zawahiri were still in close geographic proximity and able to communicate with each other. However, few al Qaeda followers get to meet them. European and American jihadists who joined up with al Qaeda in 2008 have subsequently told Western interrogators that for security reasons access for them to bin Laden was strictly off limits.

Intelligence stream dried up because CIA shared intelligence about Bin Laden's movements with ISI which killed the informant. Simple only!

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 14 Sep 2010 21:09

kenop wrote:As per the recently declassified documents (relating to circa 2002)from the State Department.
Don't push us too far on Kashmir, its ours: Pak to US
It will take us another decade to find out the current vibes/signals between the two allies.
The wait is killing.

kenop,
Visit the Modelling Geo-strategic Issue thread. In there there is link to a book "Thinking in Time". It teaches how to use past historical data to project how they will react in future. Off course assuming its linear etc. But then both US and TSP are normatized cultures of the Book and are linear in mindset.

So using the past data one can project what the current dialog is and no need to wait for ten years!

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 14 Sep 2010 23:16

James B wrote:Orakzai cleared of militants: security forces
Sep 08, 2010
Can some one estimate how many kiya-nahi units it will take for the Talibs to reappear in Orakzai??

Seven militants, solider killed in Orakzai
Sep 14, 2010

ORAKZAI AGENCY: Seven militants and a solider were killed in fresh clashes in Orakzai Agency on Tuesday.

According to sources, militants carrying heavy machine guns stormed a security checkpost located in Dabori area of Orakzai Agency, killing one soldier, Amjad.

Following the attack, security forces launched retaliatory attacks, killing seven militants.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 14 Sep 2010 23:42

Pakistan ka matlab kya hai,
Old news.

http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2 ... 6-sun.html

seven-year-old Pakistani girl and her family have been given asylum in Canada after reports the child was raped and left to die when her Christian father refused to convert to Islam.
The identities of Baby Neeha and her family are being protected by immigration officials, said human rights lawyer Chantal Desloges and One Free World International, a church that was instrumental in getting the family here. The family arrived in Canada on Dec. 12 after a three-year battle by organizers to spirit them out of danger in Pakistan. They are living in the Mississauga area and will be visited next month by Immigration Minister Jason Kenney, who was so touched by the family's plight that he doled out a ministerial permit, of which he has only issued two. Church founder Rev. Majed El Shafie said the family of seven have been hiding from extremists in Pakistan for about three years. Baby Neeha, at the age of 21/2, was raped by the son of her father's employer and left to die by the roadside, he said. No one was arrested for the crime. "These horrific events took place because her father, who was Christian, refused to give in to pressure from his Muslim employer to convert to Islam," El Shafie said. The family went underground in Pakistan to hide from Muslim extremists who were seeking revenge for their non-conversion, he said.
"The family has lived for years in hiding and in constant fear of being discovered by the employer's family or Islamic extremists," El Shafie said. "We are thrilled that she's finally in Canada."

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 14 Sep 2010 23:46

shravan wrote:
James B wrote:Orakzai cleared of militants: security forces
Sep 08, 2010
Can some one estimate how many kiya-nahi units it will take for the Talibs to reappear in Orakzai??
Seven militants, solider killed in Orakzai
Sep 14, 2010

So the Kiya-nahi unit here is 1 (It took the talibs 1week to reappear)

Rahul Shukla wrote:New info on post-9/11 hunt for bin Laden emerges (CNN)
Intelligence stream dried up because CIA shared intelligence about Bin Laden's movements with ISI which killed the informant. Simple only!

Saar, the CIA is not stoopid. If you and I know this, they know the pakis much better. The fact that the US can't track down Bin Laden in close to a decade is fishy. Something is not right. Other possibilities need to be considered here apart from the given reason to account for the discrepency.
Either OBL is dead, or already in custody, or has been negotiating with massa, or was a plant to begin with.
Whatever it is, it seems that massa doesn't want to "kill" OBL, they probably want him alive for now. When they truly want him dead, he will be, in short order.

Nayak wrote:Some Madrassa Math.
Projection for 2010 92 824
Each Hellfire weighs 47 kg / 106 pounds, including the 9 kg / 20 pound warhead, and has a range of 8,000 meters.
Doing the math - $ 10812000 spent as travel expense on the rasta-e-jannat. That is for the missiles alone, now about the opex I am unable to find a figure. Can somebody draw up a idea on the opex on an hourly/daily basis of sending the predator on its daily stroll ?

Massa has also deployed a cheaper hellfire clone, with a smaller warhead, allegedly to reduce collateral damage. I think massa realized that while the hellfire is good enough for taking out Tanks and such, the talibs are nowhere as sturdily built as tanks and that the expensive missile was overkill for them. The calculations on the newer missile are likely to put a smile to everyone's lips except the pakis and the talibs.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 14 Sep 2010 23:49

Not sure if this was posted,
Warning for underaged ,
MALE SEX WORKERS IN PAKISTAN clip 4( EQUINOX) Musafirkhana clip 4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzWV86_9 ... r_embedded#!

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 15 Sep 2010 00:00

Prem, No need for that post. Every Paki depravity does not have to be posted.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 15 Sep 2010 00:40

I was reading the previous pages of the TSP thread about menon s's post about how the pakistanis were seeking a complete write off of their debt.

Pakistan has milked its 3.5 masters, but one nation they have never milked significantly yet is India. The pakis are more than aware that India has become quite rich, and GoI has huge sums of money at its disposal. Also given the sheer numbers of dhimmis and wkks around, the pakjabi jernails and civvies would probably be working on a plan to extract at least some Jazia from Nai Dilli.

One angle I can see that the piss loving at all costs people, is jazia for piss (as opposed to land for piss). I suppose if the pakis shout loudly that they want land and water onlee, at least some in dilli will be willing to pay some jaziya to make them tone down the rhetoric.

I wonder...

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 15 Sep 2010 00:47

India has been paying Indo-Gangetic plains subsidy to that region from times immeorial. Partition was essentially a carve out with subsidy from the West. Now that is drying up due to Kalidasa moves by them in Af-Pak.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 15 Sep 2010 01:24

@gagan

Jernails have milked 3.5 by promising moon to their clients. Most times they have delivered something tangible to these clients. Example badaber airbase housing U2 or whole Afghan war issue for unkil . Sandak mines & Gawadar for cheena. Wahabi madarsa and anti shia program for saudis etc come to my mind. The only reason they gave mango abduls who did not agree with any of these policies (rather did not receive any direct benefit for themselves from this alliance) was that this was necessary to fight the greater evil which was on the eastern border. So this price was paid in terms of lack of education, lack of infrastructre, lack of democracy etc by Abduls & Ayeshas because they were promised kashmir & 1000 pieces of India. (Look at Mushy's U turn speech for WOT after 9/11)

If pakis negotiate a deal with India the baniyas are going to ask for something in return example lid on tanzeems and ISI. Now how will jernails every convince mangoes that this is in national interest.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 15 Sep 2010 02:24

Pakistan can never accept even jazia openly from India.

But paki mil leaders can hold back terror boys for private jazia from India.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 15 Sep 2010 02:41

Prem wrote:Not sure if this was posted,
Warning for underaged ,
MALE SEX WORKERS IN PAKISTAN clip 4( EQUINOX) Musafirkhana clip 4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzWV86_9 ... r_embedded#!

Documentary of very high quality...

The quality of documentaries of "the dawn" is steadily increasing.. This is something which Indian channels should learn and imbibe and inculcate, instead of pandering to the cheap journalism which is seen predominantly in many news channels. The "Documentary culture" has to take root in India. NDTV does it some extent. but the inclination of NDTV makes it problematic..

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 15 Sep 2010 03:18

More from Salman Rushdie on Pakistan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_ReUWRD ... ature=fvwp

And Pervez Musharraf too. How correct is Rushdie?
Err, this is precise enough to be in the first page of TSP thread

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 15 Sep 2010 03:21

What is the gist of what he is saying?

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 15 Sep 2010 03:25

TSP == Terror central. It is a very short video 1:30 onlee worth a watch.

Oh and about mushy, he says that during BB's govt, Mushy was the general who was entrusted with raising LET, HM to create trouble in J&K. Now how true is that part?
We all know that Mushy utilized the services of OBL and his arab fighters to put down the shia rebellion in Gilgit Balistan during this same period.

And there is a little more, where he takes on Arundirty roy. He does disapprove of the security forces' role in J&K though as an ==, but he goes after the terrorism ideology.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7uhNYu7 ... re=related

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 15 Sep 2010 04:58

Gagan wrote:TSP == Terror central. It is a very short video 1:30 onlee worth a watch.

Oh and about mushy, he says that during BB's govt, Mushy was the general who was entrusted with raising LET, HM to create trouble in J&K. Now how true is that part?
We all know that Mushy utilized the services of OBL and his arab fighters to put down the shia rebellion in Gilgit Balistan during this same period.

And there is a little more, where he takes on Arundirty roy. He does disapprove of the security forces' role in J&K though as an ==, but he goes after the terrorism ideology.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7uhNYu7 ... re=related

The timeline sits well with Salam Rushdie's statement though. LeT was formed in 90/91, and Mushy was promoted as a General in 1991.

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 15 Sep 2010 05:01

I am beginning to like the French a bit now!

Mullah Omar is in Pakistan: France

AFP

Afghan Taliban leader Mullah Omar is based in Pakistan and everyone knows it, French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner says, calling on Islamabad to do more to help end the conflict.

"It's not a secret for anyone, everyone knows that Mullah Omar is in Quetta, if he's not now in Karachi," Kouchner told French MPs on Tuesday, referring to two major Pakistani cities known to harbour Islamist militant cells.

Mullah Omar was the leader of the Taliban Islamic regime that was overthrown in Afghanistan by US-led forces in the aftermath of the September 11, 2001 attacks and is now thought to be based in Quetta."Taliban leaders have been given shelter in Pakistan. I'm not revealing anything," Kouchner said, telling parliament's foreign relations committee why Afghanistan has called on Pakistan to help negotiate a peace deal.