J & K news and discussion

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 13 Sep 2010 23:09

Sri wrote: Kashmiri youth wanted action against some specific officers who were involved in killing of some young people.

<< CRS: Please take this naive crap to some "South Asia" forum where you will find a receptive audience. "Kashmiri youth", my f%^&ing foot. These are violent Islamo fascists, no other label fits them. >>

Over simplification and generalisation Sir.

You can't take away from fact that the whole problem started by ineptness of Omar Government. Of course Miwaiz and others are milking the situation. They were looking for an excuse and they got one. Omar remains a liability. Bachcha in the end is a bachcha.

Omar might very well be inpet; although I would wager to bet that what is being orchestrated is not something he or any non separatist CM can deal with. I am more disgusted at you singing the "Kashmiri youth" nonsense. As I said, they are barinwashed Abduls dancing to the tunes of Islamic fascism.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 14 Sep 2010 01:57

AbhishekD wrote:What do you mean by serious Anujan.
Do you have inside info??

Inside as any inside could get. Everybody has uncles.

The reason it is "serious" is because of certain generic and certain specific issues:

A. Last time around, even though the body count was high -- it was clear that as long as there were volunteers in IA and as long as India's sons were willing to shed their blood for India, the terrorist pigs could never win. But this time, "others" are in the fray. And "others" are not doing it through guns (though it may lead to it, let me elaborate in point C ) and the "others" have a habit of thinking long term rather than revealing their hand prematurely.

B. The protesting A-holes know which side of their bread is buttered. (JK economy would collapse if the central govt stops handing out doles). Pakistan is well, in Pakistan. So if the A-holes are still confident, it is anyone's guess whose money is giving them the new found balls.

C. In any insurgency, the 18-20 year mark is very important. That is when the kids born after the insurgency has started and raised on a steady diet of hate & propaganda hit adulthood. These fellows can then be used as Jihad recruits. If India plays her cards wrong, disaster could be losing JK, bad news could be another 10-15 years of Jihad -- this time repeated all over India (because the "gentleman's agreement" with the Pakis of confronting each other only in JK has already been breached -- ofcourse, by the Pakis).

D. There are only 3 kinds of mainstream political voices in JK. Those who want to merge with Paa'stan. Those who want Azadi, and those who want "maximum autonomy". There is no legit political power who wants integration with India. You do the math. If we tide over this by handing out sops to group no 2 and group no 3 (which we will), next time around the same 3 groups will turn up, except the first two has grown and the last has dwindled.

E. JK's very own "gandhi" who was "reformed" after reading gandhi and mandela in prison and therefore "Gave up the gun" has been running around all over the place for the past 2 years, giving speeches in hundreds of towns and villages, recruiting workers and promising milk and honey. In short, he has been in election campaign mode for for 2-3 years! All the while our illustrious guvrmand was snoozing. Where did he get the money? Whose plan was it? Now apparently he has joined JK's own "Martin luther king" (pastor cum phreedom phyter). These kind of reunions dont happen without a gentle nudge and push from outside. While we have been staring with eagle eyes to the west, someone from east has robbed our house.

Well your first instincts might be that everyone hardens their positions. The B*stards reveal their true hand either by (a) Professing their association with outside powers in the open or (b) Doing a Pakistaniyat of Kashmiriyat by beautifying a few more schools run by "minorities" (like they did yesterday) so that it ties up Indian govt hands to go kick their musharraf. However this is going to be bad for everyone. The best solution would be to calm the situation after some window dressing, Eid Package and whatnot. Make sure Kashmiri Yuvraj stays in power. And once the situation is calm do a round of external musharraf kicking to show that we mean business.

But if wishes were horses..."weak on internal affairs, weak on external affairs" projection that our Govt is giving out is not helping either.

As they say, speak with a soft voice but carry a big stick. I hope gyaan dawns on people's heads.

Tamaso Maa Jyotirgamaya!

James B · Post by **James B** » 14 Sep 2010 02:29

Here are the videos of the timesnow show on AFSPA issue.

http://www.timesnow.tv/Debate-Diluting- ... 353783.cms

http://www.timesnow.tv/Debate-Diluting- ... 353784.cms

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 14 Sep 2010 03:33

X-Posted from Pak Occupied Kashmir News and Discussion Thread

ramana wrote:But throwing stones at acts in US will cause displeasure in US.

Till now, the Kashmir issue has received only limited attention by Al Qaeda and Allied Movements (AQAM). Probably a conscious effort is being made to align the 'Kashmiri Azaadi' movement to Global Jihad. Pakistan could have thought, that that is the only way, Pakistan can get more help from other Muslim nations.

An effort is being made to fuse the two together - Global Islamism and Pakistani Nationalism. Another aspect is that Pakistan has been only been able in a very limited way to recruit Indian Muslims for terrorism in India. Kashmiri Muslims are a group, over which Pakistan has a larger influence, and considering that they live within the borders of India, it would be far easier to use them for terrorism within India than infiltrating Pakjabis for the cause. Mumbai 26/11 received a lot of attention and the culpability reached the doors of Pakistan. This time Pakistanis are looking for terrorism in India where KMs are held responsible.

Moreover, Kashmiri Nationalism was found to be wanting as a call - the Azaadi slogan seemed to have lost its strength. So it was deemed important that KMs are totally radicalized and Wahhabized so that they can be better used.

PRC may or may not have supported the plan.

Dark days lie ahead, because GoI allowed the Wahhabization to take place unhindered.

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 14 Sep 2010 05:38

RajeshA wrote:X-Posted from Pak Occupied Kashmir News and Discussion Thread

ramana wrote:But throwing stones at acts in US will cause displeasure in US.
Till now, the Kashmir issue has received only limited attention by Al Qaeda and Allied Movements (AQAM). Probably a conscious effort is being made to align the 'Kashmiri Azaadi' movement to Global Jihad. Pakistan could have thought, that that is the only way, Pakistan can get more help from other Muslim nations.

An effort is being made to fuse the two together - Global Islamism and Pakistani Nationalism. Another aspect is that Pakistan has been only been able in a very limited way to recruit Indian Muslims for terrorism in India. Kashmiri Muslims are a group, over which Pakistan has a larger influence, and considering that they live within the borders of India, it would be far easier to use them for terrorism within India than infiltrating Pakjabis for the cause. Mumbai 26/11 received a lot of attention and the culpability reached the doors of Pakistan. This time Pakistanis are looking for terrorism in India where KMs are held responsible.

Aren't LeT followers of 'Ahle-hadith' ? If so, then Kashmiri militants have long associated themselves with global jihad.

Ever since 1989, the trouble making terrorists of Kashmir have tried following the Palestinian intifada. Just like the enemies of the Jewish state have realized it is 'cleaner' and more effective to send 'humanitarian' boats and then go crying to the world about Israeli atrocities when these thugs are stopped, someone in Islamabad or their masters in Beijing seems to have realized it is better to brainwash jobless drug junkies to throw stones and get shot than send gunmen to kill innocent civilians.

Someone mentioned earlier in this thread that it is very important to hold tactical forts,i agree. Split each districts into several pieces and confine+engage the primates to small areas. If i have to think like a 18 year old stone thrower, i know fore sure that i wouldnt venture out with stones if i did not have leaders,so aim at the leaders and snipe them out not with live bullets but sedatives before apprehending them.I have a feeling this will intensify as we go into Nov and Barack Obama's visit gets closer. In my opinion, it is not the time to worry about strategic designs, but concentrate on tactical missions to curb this non-sense. And please,please cut Jammu and Ladakh from Kashmir and reverse 370 in a newly formed State of Jammu.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 14 Sep 2010 06:05

AFSPA dilution in Jammu & Kashmir postponed

The Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) put off plans to partially revoke the Armed Forces Special Powers Act (AFSPA), following fresh violence in the Kashmir Valley over alleged desecration of Koran in the US.

It was of the view that larger consensus was required on the ‘way forward’ and the government announced convening of an all-party meeting in the Capital on Wednesday.

With minority institutions bearing the brunt of the rumours of desecration of Koran — a mob in Baramullah set ablaze a private school run by missionaries — the US administration stepped in to share the hurt of the community . “News reports have stated that on Saturday, September 11, one misguided individual in the US desecrated the Holy Koran by tearing pages from it. On behalf of everyone at the US embassy in India, I condemn such acts as disrespectful, intolerant, divisive, and unrepresentative of American values. The deliberate destruction of any holy book is an abhorrent act. The acts of this one individual are not representative of America and American values,” US ambassador Timothy Roemer said.
He also said that the US was dismayed to see reports that a school and a church in Kashmir and Punjab have been attacked and destroyed by rioters. “We strongly support local authorities’ appeal for calm and an end to the violence,” the US ambassador said.

In Srinagar, DGP Kuldeep Khuda played out a tape before the media which allegedly showed an aide of hard-liner Hurriyat leader Geelani instigating the mobs to attack security personnel.

Hopefully AFSPA should be in place with no changes.
have they arrested the aide of geelani and given proper treatment

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 14 Sep 2010 06:06

RajeshA wrote: Dark days lie ahead, because GoI allowed the Wahhabization to take place unhindered.

May be it is an accident or may be it is a strategy. But for a braveheart it is actually an opportunity to solve it permanently. Wahhabization means no more moral masquerading or Kashmiriayat masquerading. The gloves are off and may be time for action.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 14 Sep 2010 08:34

With minority institutions bearing the brunt of the rumours of desecration of Koran -- a mob in Baramullah set ablaze a private school run by missionaries — the US administration stepped in to share the hurt of the community . “News reports have stated that on Saturday, September 11, one misguided individual in the US desecrated the Holy Koran by tearing pages from it. On behalf of everyone at the US embassy in India, I condemn such acts as disrespectful, intolerant, divisive, and unrepresentative of American values. The deliberate destruction of any holy book is an abhorrent act. The acts of this one individual are not representative of America and American values,” US ambassador Timothy Roemer said.
He also said that the US was dismayed to see reports that a school and a church in Kashmir and Punjab have been attacked and destroyed by rioters. “We strongly support local authorities’ appeal for calm and an end to the violence,” the US ambassador said.

Now the US can see the consequences of its support for Hurriyat-rats.

Vril · Post by **Vril** » 14 Sep 2010 09:08

Prem wrote:Is it possible that every time these KSTs do gathering stunt like this ,let tehre be few large Paki size IED'to open the gates of heaven for these Cashmee-rats. Ek Panth do Kaaj, they get their freedom and we get our peace.

+1

what if an 'army' truck laden with high end explosives is passing through and agitated crowds attack and somehow cause it to explode killing 100s of rats. the country should hold kandle march at wagah expressing sympathy at unfortunate 'accident'

sum · Post by **sum** » 14 Sep 2010 09:18

abhishek_sharma wrote: Now the US can see the consequences of its support for Hurriyat-rats.

Errr...Isnt India and GoI property bearing the brunt of US actions? What loss has US faced for supporting and funding the Hurri-rats?

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 14 Sep 2010 09:29

sum wrote: Errr...Isnt India and GoI property bearing the brunt of US actions? What loss has US faced for supporting and funding the Hurri-rats?

India has been suffering for a long time.

Now the US is "dismayed" by the ramifications of their policy of creating/encouraging Hurriyat. If a mob in Srinagar can get their hands on an American, what will they do?

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 14 Sep 2010 09:52

Coming to think of it, this wave of violence is Allah-sent. Because worldwide there is growing tiredness and disgust with ROP barbarians treating minorities in their states like animals yet complaining loud about discrimination because they cannot fill every country with mosques everywhere.. They are unable to live peacefully with anyone practically anywhere in the world, not to speak of amongst themselves. Take Thailand, Philippines (Buddhist / Christian respectively) for instance...

Now the fanatic barbarian Geelani-pig trained Talibanic animals have hit the news waves big time because of this 'koran desecration' violence, now anyone that has any sense will see this as part of wider disease, not something India can do anything about (other than dispatching as many to their 72 as possible)...

So just as there are abused spouses societies there is an informal abused-by-ROP sympathy and mutual understanding amongst humans..

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 14 Sep 2010 09:55

^ +1.

Now the western capitals will think twice before pontificating on "human rights" and "liberty". They surely don't want to see that mob near the US Embassy.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 14 Sep 2010 10:12

The language of western media tell us the story quite clearly - the predominant term used is 'battle with security forces' not the kind of lingo you see in the context of Tibet or other such hotspots...and some pictures of the usual bearded animals-in-rage (plus the death to America slogans) tell the story even more eloquently to an audience already too familiar with this serial running for a while now...

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 14 Sep 2010 12:57

there has been a definite media shift, a few weeks ago it was young kids v state machine, now its angry mobs of jehadis against law and order

just like TSPA cannot keep its mijjiles in their silos during Dhaka university situations, jehadis cannot help themselves from attacking the great satan, tactically brilliant once again

derkonig · Post by **derkonig** » 14 Sep 2010 15:21

^^^^
What about desi ELM? Aren't they still bleeding for azaadi in Cashmere?

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 14 Sep 2010 15:30

first agenda: give cashmere to pak - failed
second agenda: give azadi to 'cashmeres' - failed
third agenda: dragon's ungli in elephants musharraf - underway (the jigsaw pieces are falling into place)

seligson's expose on the PLA may have been timed as a signal to dragon

just as sov-afghan war was a proxy between ussr and usa, unkil-af-pak war is a proxy between usa and prc

the global jehad is just a sideshow, and we are still doing rona-dhona

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 14 Sep 2010 16:48

Guys: Lets hold back a tad. Its too early to tell if the truth will perculate far & wide, namley that the stone-pelting KM perverts are indeed just that or "freedom" loving Gandhians. Something needs to give for sure. The remote control is pushing the button to get India's attention, but not yet far enough to cause a crisis. Stay tuned.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 14 Sep 2010 16:52

al guardian is reporting stone throwing in srinagar as a koran burning backlash, followed by an article on US mullahs threatening more backlash if ground zero mosque is moved

even al guardian is turning away from the path of jihad! whatever next?!?!

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 14 Sep 2010 18:26

Positive coverage from NYT, with fanatic barbaric animals burning Ombaba effigy in prominent photo...

Venkarl · Post by **Venkarl** » 14 Sep 2010 19:27

http://deskofbrian.com/2010/09/kashmiri ... al-killed/

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 14 Sep 2010 19:34

A diabolic extremist leadership is emerging in Kashmir

On the flip side, the government has adopted an apologist approach by admitting that there exists a trust and governance deficit, which will further weaken the already beleaguered state administration and Chief Minister Omar Abdullah.

The cycle of violence that has engulfed the valley is continueing and one gets a feeling that there is no remedy in sight. However, a deeper analysis indicates a new pattern is emerging.

As more and more deaths occurred at regular intervals, the state government got worried, the separatists got active, the Centre raised its antenna and the media started its run for sensational and exclusive news bytes.

The chief minister, in an atempt to deflect the pressure, came up with confusing statements, suggesting dilution/partial revocation of the AFSPA , and a grant of autonomy.

What everybody is losing sight of is the emergence of a new extremist segment in Kashmir which has taken advantage of the situation. This segment is now orchestrating events in a manner that suits their masters across the border.Not only Omar, but also the existing separatist leadership, has lost control of the situation. They have become mute spectators to the proceedings, which are being directed by more powerful lobbies.

He(aashiq Husain Faktoo in jail , husband of asiya andrabi) is said to be one of the spearheads of this spiral of violence. In close support, are people like Masarrat Alam Butt, the Hurriyat leader and the Vice Chairman of the Jammu and Kashmir Muslim League.
These new leaders exercise command through conduits, mobile communication systems and word of mouth. Their dictates' spread across the valley like wildfire. They have effectively marginalised the likes of Mirwaiz Omar Farooq and Syed Ali Shah Geelani.

The unabated violence that has been continuing even after the release of his 'pre-conditions' indicates that even if they are met in full, he(geelani) does not have the influence to stand by his word and ensure peace.

A small, but dedicated extremist cadre, is holding the state to ransom, while the existing leadership is merely trying to save face by defining the violence as a frustration of the people that is spilling over in the streets. Nothing can be further from the truth. In fact, the people are helpless due to an immobilised leadership.

Under these circumstances, revocation or dilution of the AFSPA is a non-issue. This move, will, by no means, impact the current situation in the valley. At best, it will strengthen the cause of those who have orchestrated the present turn of events.

What is required is effective leadership, strengthening the hands of the security forces, improving the proficiency of the Jammu and Kashmir Police, better intelligence gathering, identification and political marginalisation of the emerging right wing leadership, mobilisation of the masses against politics of disruption.There is need to create awareness about the fruits of democracy that the Kashmiri people are enjoying

what with TSP reeling under floods, unhappy that sdre is getting away- pull a few strings in J&K to set some mayhem helped by inept leadership of yuvraj's chum. Now it is ==.
Intelligence agencies should follow money trail(difficult if hawala which is likely here),tap phone conversations (already being done),. people behind bars should not have any outside world contact, corrupt officials in prisons who do that should be taken to task and told to cooperate--- Misinformation to be given them and discredit the handlers and eliminate them as need be.
The main issue will be the effective leadership and decision making capacity. the intelligence and defence personnel will do their duties.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 14 Sep 2010 19:46

I am certain that the current Kashmir protests are a desperate attempt from Pakistan to keep the issue burning by causing the grievance-death-grievance cycle.

India will just have to stick it out. It is after all the same Kashmiri population who used to put Pandit children at the front of crowds so they got killed first in the early days. But all the "restraint-shistraint" is a pain. In China, as with the Shias of Gilgit versus the Pakistan army, such demonstrators would have been ruthlessly suppressed after a news blackout. It is only when you want to be "fair" to them and give them "human rights" that there is more pain for us.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 14 Sep 2010 20:42

Perhaps the Indian Govt. should start a project of buying off the property of disgruntled Kashmiri Muslims, giving them market price plus an extra bonus, if they with their families are willing to go over to Pakistan for ever. Both get Azadi - disgruntled Kashmiri Muslim family AND India.

Question is: would the Pakistanis accept the Kashmiri Muslims without Kashmir?

thayilv · Post by **thayilv** » 14 Sep 2010 20:50

RajeshAji, I think we all know that the Pakis care two hoots about these people. They are just useful idiots to finger India. If these muslims have any doubt how they would be treated, they only need look at their co-religionists in Baluchistan, Sindh, and even fellow Kashmiris in PoK. They know very well they cannot live under the glory of pure islam as professed by pakis!

anchal · Post by **anchal** » 14 Sep 2010 20:54

The Chindu and 'sources' have spoken - AFSPA is going to be made more 'humane'!

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article645986.ece

The sources said the effort is to make the AFSPA, which has been drawn from a 1941 British era law, more humane.

This is the only Act which makes a reference ‘even to the extent of causing death’ and the aim is to remove the reference to death, they said.

Another amendment that is being proposed is the need to take out a warrant for randomly searching buildings or houses, an official said.

And applied one month in advance

The AFSPA should not be looked at only through the eyes of the security forces but also that of civilians. There is no solution that can be brought out by a stroke of pen, an official said.

These babooze should be sent to Kashmir for getting a look first-hand from civilian eyes. What a bunch of bafoons!

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 14 Sep 2010 21:00

shiv wrote:I am certain that the current Kashmir protests are a desperate attempt from Pakistan to keep the issue burning by causing the grievance-death-grievance cycle.

India will just have to stick it out. It is after all the same Kashmiri population who used to put Pandit children at the front of crowds so they got killed first in the early days. But all the "restraint-shistraint" is a pain. In China, as with the Shias of Gilgit versus the Pakistan army, such demonstrators would have been ruthlessly suppressed after a news blackout. It is only when you want to be "fair" to them and give them "human rights" that there is more pain for us.

I think its more US moves before the BO visit to create an East Timor situation in Srinagar Valley so they can show the softer side of the West to Islamic countries.

Its like the Florida pastor Koran non-burning incident is US. Its another orhchestration to show the GOTUS is Islam friendly by exerting pressure on the pastor to prevent the burning. This tramples a US constititutional right but then Hu cares.

Even the PRC move into Giligt has US sanction to prevent India retaking the area from a failing TSP.

sum · Post by **sum** » 14 Sep 2010 21:17

NDTV has pulled out a new word from its mush : "Governance deficit".

They are quoting "govt sources" as saying that the "government deficit has to be understood by Delhi and worked on"!!!

Trust deficit, Govt deficit, brain deficit...the list goes on!!

sum · Post by **sum** » 14 Sep 2010 21:18

Another amendment that is being proposed is the need to take out a warrant for randomly searching buildings or houses, an official said.

Killer blow if there was one for the forces operating there when dealing with a hostile population like the KMs..

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 14 Sep 2010 21:21

sum wrote:NDTV has pulled out a new word from its mush : "Governance deficit".

They are quoting "govt sources" as saying that the "government deficit has to be understood by Delhi and worked on"!!!

Trust deficit, Govt deficit, brain deficit...the list goes on!!

what about media deficit and dhimmi deficit
Why cant they take of themselves instead of being a lifafa

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 14 Sep 2010 21:30

ramana wrote:
I think its more US moves before the BO visit to create an East Timor situation in Srinagar Valley so they can show the softer side of the West to Islamic countries.

Well Sandhya Jain has a very interesting take on this that I did not think of at all.

For India, a collateral benefit of Chinese presence in Gilgit-Baltistan is that it has nixed plans to delink Jammu & Kashmir from India by creating an East Timor-like situation in Srinagar Valley prior to President Barack Obama’s visit to New Delhi, thereby forcing UN intervention and plebiscite.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 14 Sep 2010 21:31

I had asked a while before on this thread, and dont think it was answered on this thread, anyway --- no "dilution" of AFSPA is going to happen without legislative changes, which means no dilution of AFSPA for next 3-4 years (remember the Nuke liability bill?)

On the media today, CoAS clearly came out against *any* changes in AFSPA, scope or geography, BJP is tearing everyone who mentions AFSPA a new one, and Congress is furiously backpedaling by "who said AFSPA, what changes, hold on, I never heard of this"

A rare moment for a jingo to smile

anchal · Post by **anchal** » 14 Sep 2010 21:31

What puzzels me the most in this whole episode is laat sahib attitude of Sri MMS. Why has he not spoken any word that the country's security and sovereign interests won't be compromised at ANY cost before surrendering to hooligans? That the whole J and K is ours and that India will defend her territory at any cost.

What a depressing leadership, nay followship, we have in Dilli!

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 14 Sep 2010 21:34

anchal wrote:What puzzels me the most in this whole episode is laat sahib attitude of Sri MMS. Why has he not spoken any word that the country's security and sovereign interests won't be compromised at ANY cost before surrendering to hooligans? That the whole J and K is ours and that India will defend her territory at any cost.

What a depressing leadership, nay followship, we have in Dilli!

That would like TSP Gilani saying that "We are not stealing aid". What is obvious need not be repeated. Actions speak more than words. Send more live ammo and let the stone throwers do the math about how much their life is worth.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 14 Sep 2010 21:36

All may not be well, but this deserves one smile in the gloomy times.....

http://www.timesnow.tv/videoshow/4353848.cms

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 14 Sep 2010 21:37

anchal wrote:What puzzels me the most in this whole episode is laat sahib attitude of Sri MMS. Why has he not spoken any word that the country's security and sovereign interests won't be compromised at ANY cost before surrendering to hooligans? That the whole J and K is ours and that India will defend her territory at any cost.

What a depressing leadership, nay followship, we have in Dilli!

In my view such a statement is currently unnecessary. Law and order is a state subject and J&K has a democratically elected chief minister who should be capable of looking after law and order. I recall a time in Gujarat when some people were killed in a law and order situation. The CM of Gujarat took the rap for that - the PM did not have to say Gujarat is ours.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 14 Sep 2010 21:46

Maybe a kind of internal point scoring by those miffed by omission from the youth brigade formed and seen as the future raj-system. Omar is seen as cherry picked by prince charming or made to be picked by him as such. So there will be a tendency for a section from within the ruling caucus to show O as incompetent and not mature enough to handle the hot seat. In a deeper way it is a reflection of the internal battle lines within ND. Some degree of tarring and feathering has to be borne by O if he wants to stay on in his own dynastic politics.

anchal · Post by **anchal** » 14 Sep 2010 21:46

^ I understand the 'technicality' of such a statement. But what I intended was "leading from the front attitude" from the leader of the country. He is not anywhere to be seen. Even LKA has made more media appearances on Cashmere issue than Pujya Pradhan Mantriji. We must not forget that it is not as if he is NOT media savvy - he has been more than alert on few trivial petty criminal charges against people and losing his sleep in a jiffy.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 14 Sep 2010 21:49

MMS has to stay away from making clear cut statements if such an internal tussle is going on. He himself will get badly burnt if he leans to any one side. Making such clear and "patriotic" statements now will be seen as inflammatory by his own fellow travelers. He would be blamed for lighting the fire for a liquid that is spontaneously inflmmable any way - the valley brand of islamism that is.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 14 Sep 2010 21:51

^

Then what made our pujyaneeya MMS to comment on the three major issues in next month?
1. Maoist Issue - Isn't this a state issue?
2. Court ruling on Ramjanmabhoomi - Is this not a law-and-order issue?
3. dont remember...

Piskology for piskology sake I guess...