Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2010

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 22 Oct 2010 07:40

But the Pakis are already on a "Triade now, piss (in their pants) later" mission in their relations with India.

What is the need for any thing else hain ji?

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 22 Oct 2010 07:45

I like the current situation best.
The pakistanis will smuggle what they desperately need from India, since they don't produce much anyways.
India doesn't need to import anything from there, since they don't produce anything.

Opening trade with these bafoons will only allow them access to our huge market, and give their businessmen more zakat money to donate to the terrorists. Opening trade will only increase jealosy on the other side, instead of developing bonhomie.

One does need to have a certain mental aptitude to like one's neighbour, which the pakistani punjabis specially, high on the islamization dope are unlikey to possess.

Malayappan · Post by **Malayappan** » 22 Oct 2010 07:50

Another view. A blog post, but worth checking out....
The US-Pak gap

Analysis apart, there are this kind of statements as well - certainly reductive, but pithy!

At the risk of sounding reductive, I would summarise the present situation thus: Pakistan, and much of the Muslim world, are largely rural landscapes with a fast-spreading media industry. In the various bits of travelling I've done in Pakistan, Africa, Central Asia and the Middle East, I've found that most people in rural areas have heard little of the outside world. In most cases 9/11 means little and America, the UK, France and Germany are an incoherent jumble of places ruled by a king who lives in a palace called London.

And recommend leaving his prescriptions - they are a let down / dumb!

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 22 Oct 2010 08:02

India is probably heading for a bumper wheat harvest this year - the prices of packed 5kg wheat from ashirwaad, annapurna and pillsbury were at 20% discount at a grocery I visited yesterday.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Oct 2010 08:09

Look at this editorial in The Hindu

But there is still no evidence to conclude that the Mumbai operation had official Pakistani sanction.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 22 Oct 2010 09:00

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/22/world ... olicy.html

Pakistani Troops Linked to Abuses Will Lose U.S. Aid

The Obama administration will refuse to train or equip about a half-dozen Pakistani Army units that are believed to have killed unarmed prisoners and civilians during recent offensives against the Taliban, senior administration and Congressional officials said Thursday.

I think the punishment is disproportionate to the crime!! Only offending rifles should be sanctioned!! /sarcasm (So "Half a dozen units" will be denied aid from the US?! But the Pakistan army will be given billions -- how is that even supposed to work?)

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 22 Oct 2010 09:16

Anujan wrote:
I think the punishment is disproportionate to the crime!! Only offending rifles should be sanctioned!! /sarcasm (So "Half a dozen units" will be denied aid from the US?! But the Pakistan army will be given billions -- how is that even supposed to work?)

Its something like "honor among thieves". They set their own standards as to what constitutes immoral and moral. You must be one to honor it.
Killing unarmed Taliban is offensive.
Killing unarmed 17 year olds is mildly offensive
Raping underage pushto girls is OK
Raping underage pushto boys will be rewarded
so on and so forth..

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 22 Oct 2010 10:00

Prem wrote:http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... by-India/1
Gung ho posture by India
Azz am Khali

You could build an equation around Pakistani posturing, so hackneyed and formulaic it has become (or perhaps always was). For instance....

It is well known that Pakistan is ahead of India by 15 to 20 years as far as the nuclear missile programme is concerned, and that it has a potent capability to respond even if it is subjected to a nuclear strike by the Indians.

We start with the Pakjabi bluff, or the Pakjabi street equivalent of the local yokel grabbing his crotch and cavorting in the village square, and because he's grabbed it he believes he has the largest tool.................

Hence, this forced the Indian leadership to fall in USA’s lap and compromise its nuclear programme in return for American technology, which the Indians believe that it will allow them to achieve parity in the field of nuclear weapons with Pakistan.

......Followed, but naturally, by the Pakjabi boasting as he flaunts his nuclear tool (which is really a penile implant from tarrell than mountain physicians, but hey he thinks you don't know that).....

Above all, it is the responsibility of our government to make it clear to the Indian administration, and its supporters in the West, that if India thinks it can defeat Pakistan in three weeks or months, Pakistan will respond with full force which would ensure the total destruction of the Indian military infrastructure and its economy.

.........Succeeded quickly by hysteria, or the "I'm a Pakjabi mad dog" argument.......

The US is aware of the fact that action by the Pakistan army in North Waziristan will be quite a treacherous affair, which can only be carried out if our economy improves dramatically, especially after the hit it has taken due to the unprecedented floods.

....And now that the Pakjabi has opened his mouth to alternately boast and spout abuse, he figures it's equally convenient to use that open mouth to lubricate and blow his masters (Amirkhan in this case).........

In addition, Pak army would require uninterrupted supply of weapons that could play a vital role if the insurgents are to be defeated quickly in North Waziristan. But it would not be proper, if the US makes a half-hearted attempt to supply the much needed arms and ammunition to the Pakistani forces.

...But he's not going to do it unless there's payments coming down the pike, y'hear?.....

Truly, a nation that speaks so much and so insistently of izzat and ghairat has no izzat and less ghairat.

One last comment:

One would, therefore, expect that the Pakistani representatives would be able to successfully negotiate terms and conditions that will not only help to stabilise Pakistan’s economy, but would also result in the provision of weapons that will allow our brave soldiers to win yet another war against the insurgents.

It's a miracle that even as the valorous Pakjabi soldiers "win yet another war against the insurgents" the actual number of said insurgents seems to keep increasing. Truly Allah moves in mysterious ways.

Stan_Savljevic · Post by **Stan_Savljevic** » 22 Oct 2010 10:18

Singha wrote:India is probably heading for a bumper wheat harvest this year.

And a decent cotton harvest too which is capped by a GoI ban on cotton exports, especially given that pakistan floods has caused a huge drop in cotton production. China, pak and BD are pissed with GoI for cotton export ban that will cause a huge hole in their RMG industries. There is some lobbying going on esp with BD Trade minister Faruk Khan's visit to India. Expect the usual suspects in the industry mafia in India to make noises about how unreasonable GoI is. The same hi-profile lobbying happened with the mining mafia in Karnataka and AP.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 22 Oct 2010 10:23

Who want to bet that some WKK will make grain donation to TSP a central point of TSP apeasement.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 22 Oct 2010 10:34

Pratyush wrote:Who want to bet that some WKK will make grain donation to TSP a central point of TSP apeasement.

I hope they personally carry and deliver wheat on their back from Wagha to Wana to prove their Dhimmi loyalty. And dont forget to lock the door after they cross and throw the key away in Sutluj. No wheat , no cotton and no water.
Poakstan Bhookha, Nanga oooooooooor Pyasa,
Pooree huee Jinna Mian ki asssssa, Yindoo dekhe yeh tamasha .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OMfgqBmhOc

Juggi G · Post by **Juggi G** » 22 Oct 2010 10:43

Limited Nuclear War Possible, says Shivshankar Menon

Prominent Strategic Affairs analyst K Subrahmanyam said Pakistan had been Exploring the Role of Terror in War.

He said while Winston Churchill had called “Deterrence the Child of Terror”,

Pakistan had made “Terror the Child of Deterrence”.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Oct 2010 11:58

Prem wrote:
Pratyush wrote:Who want to bet that some WKK will make grain donation to TSP a central point of TSP apeasement.
I hope they personally carry and deliver wheat on their back from Wagha to Wana . . .

What are you guys talking about ?

Pakistan to export surplus wheat

Wheat rates are likely to surge sharply in the retail and wholesale markets of Karachi like elsewhere across the country if the government allows its export in coming days . . . The surplus wheat of 2 million tonnes is sitting in the godowns of Punjab Food Department,

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 22 Oct 2010 12:22

Juggi G wrote:Limited Nuclear War Possible, says Shivshankar Menon

This is what SS Menon actually said, the headline says something quite different and misleading.
limited war in nuclear conditions to deter adversaries was a possibility,

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 22 Oct 2010 12:32

Sridhar garu, Stalinist mass murder puppet historians, even if Moghul commanders left written records of demolitions of temples done by them, claim that such records should not be used because they could be boasting. You can expect rapist goon puppet yellow media to pretend that Pakbarians did not commit 26/11 even if Zardari or Kayani gives a signed admission of guilt because they will use similar lies to obfuscate and continue lying.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Oct 2010 12:52

KLNMurthy wrote:
Juggi G wrote:Limited Nuclear War Possible, says Shivshankar Menon

This is what SS Menon actually said, the headline says something quite different and misleading.

That's correct. SS Menon did not talk about a limited nuclear war. The headline is wrong. Such callous utterances will come only from across the border. In any case, we can expect that Pakistan will react to this calling it 'jingoistic', 'irresponsible' and 'unwise'. They did this last week when the IA Chief spoke of the possibility of limited war in view of unstable situation within Pakistan, its support for terrorism etc. With the looming Obama visit, Pakistan can be only expected to up the ante all the time.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Oct 2010 13:20

This week's TFT discusses teaching of distorted history and religious hatred in Pakistan.

As usual, Ejaz Haider, while agreeing that it happens, cites India for doing similar things. Says he

India too has created its history which, like Pakistan’s anti-India narrative, is often anti-Pakistan. The interesting point to note is that histories, among other things, rely for internal uniformity by referring to external threats, the process of “othering”. In India, Prof Aziz’ role was played by Prof Krishna Kumar with Prejudice and Pride: School histories of the freedom struggle in India and Pakistan who explained this process of othering the “former self”.

Khaled Ahmed, in his usual unsparing style recalls a panel discussion anchored by Hamid Mir in GEO tv in 2004 that also included AH Nayyar, of the famous SDPI report that finds a prominent place in the first post of every incarnation of this thread and a certain academic by name Ms Dushka Syed

Ms Dushka Syed said that SDPI and its scholars had been given a certain line (from outside) and they were pushing it. She said there was nothing wrong with teaching jihad to children; after all, Islam was not the religion of Christ who taught its followers to turn the other cheek. Why should jihad be wrong when the Americans feel that it is against them? What was required of Pakistan now? Are we supposed to become prostrate in front of India (lait na jayen)? She said our history was full of jihad and the Holy Prophet PBUH himself did jihad. But the SDPI was obstinately against our history. ‘What are we supposed to do? Should we do namastay-namastay ?’ There was injustice being done in Palestine and Israel was crushing the Muslims with impunity. Should Pakistan become Switzerland in these conditions? The SDPI Report was given the same kind of treatment a day earlier, on 24 March 2004, when ARY TV had its host Dr Shahid Masood take up the subject.

Dr. A.H. Nayyar himself has contributed an article that says

In this effort, some actions of the Hindu revivalist movements were blown out of proportion, to show the danger Indian Muslims faced. Similar actions taken by Muslim parties were simply overlooked and the Two Nation Theory was put on a strong pedestal.

He quotes an unusually blunt passage from a Pakistani textbook written in 1956

We have a high regard for Mohammad bin Qasim. He laid the foundation for the Muslim rule in India. But the first brick of the foundation was defective. Therefore the structure erected on this foundation turned out to be defective and fragile, not destined to last long. Had Mohammad bin Qasim and the conquerors that followed relied less on sword to increase their numerical strength and more on preaching and other methods, we would have been spared the events because of which we are presently facing tribulations.

He goes on to say

Soon thereafter {1965 war} writing and publishing school textbooks became the sole prerogative of the state, and the history textbook writers were required to exhibit patriotism, often at the cost of truthfulness.

Raza Rumi quotes from K.K. Aziz's well-known book, 'The Murder of History'

“In the 1971 war, the Pakistan armed forces created new records of bravery, and the Indian forces were defeated everywhere.” He further traces how the Pakistani Hindus in East Pakistan are blamed for engineering anti-Urdu demonstrations during Jinnah’s time. This movement started by ‘Hindus’ had sowed the seeds of separation of East Pakistan, if the disingenuous sham-historians of the state were to be believed. Aziz questions how the great surrender of Pakistan Army in December 1971 happened apparently when our troops were bagging so-called victories on all fronts. Furthermore, Aziz also dismisses the notion that accepting Bengali cultural values, as a part of national heritage, was some sort of a national humiliation.

A textbook, as Aziz notes, even mentions Maulana Maudoodi among the “founders of the ideology of Pakistan”, when in fact the right-wing leader bitterly opposed the creation of Pakistan and called Jinnah a non-Muslim. . . . Aziz’s meticulous pen relates how the arrival of Zia-ul-Haq was celebrated: “General Zia ul Haq was chosen by destiny to be the person who achieved the distinction of imposing Islamic law.... The real objective of the creation of Pakistan, and the demand of the masses, was achieved.”

Aziz rather presciently argues: Some of the people bred on these books become journalists, columnists and editors of popular magazines and digests ... making all possible allowances for’ the margin of duplication, we are still left with a very conservative figure of say thirty million people being told what they should not be told and hearing what they should not hear. When we recall that this group contains within itself the social and intellectual elite and the actual or potential leadership of the country, we have nothing but stark despair staring us in the face and promising rack and ruin.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 22 Oct 2010 14:25

SSridhar wrote:
This is what SS Menon actually said, the headline says something quite different and misleading.
That's correct. SS Menon did not talk about a limited nuclear war. The headline is wrong. Such callous utterances will come only from across the border. In any case, we can expect that Pakistan will react to this calling it 'jingoistic', 'irresponsible' and 'unwise'. They did this last week when the IA Chief spoke of the possibility of limited war in view of unstable situation within Pakistan, its support for terrorism etc. With the looming Obama visit, Pakistan can be only expected to up the ante all the time.

Saar that article is written by our very own Suman Sharma the lady who posted the first secret photos of Arihant on her blog taken on a dark moonless night using a camera with no flash to be viewed on invitation onlee

arjunm · Post by **arjunm** » 22 Oct 2010 15:00

Angelina Jolie Not Happy With Her Visit to Pakistan
By Zeenat Rehman

The philanthropist, soft-hearted world’s number one female actress, Angelina Julie is not at all happy with her visit to Pakistan to see the flood victims. She came here, held the hands of the victims, made donations, stood up with the miseries of the people, denied any photo sessions, met with the aid agencies, but then she talks about the darker side of the things.

She is not happy with the attitude of the authorities and the government, who were more interested in toeing her line, watching her make movements, trying to please her while pushing the flood victims. She was also perturbed at the Prime Minister’s wish that his family wanted to meet him. Prime Minster’s family was especially flown down all the way from Multan to Islamabad and they presented expensive gifts to Jolie and had a sumptuous meal with her.

She said that she was feeling awful at that time to see so much food at the table, suffice for hundreds of flood victims who were fighting like crazy to get a small bag of flour and a small bottle of water. She was ill at ease when she saw the interior of lavish Premier house and some of the government buildings and the chartered planes and other such luxuries, when there was so much misery outside.

In her report to the United Nations, she has recommended UN to ask Pakistani government to first cut down on their expenses and to first cut down their luxuries before asking the aid from the world.

r_subramanian · Post by **r_subramanian** » 22 Oct 2010 15:04

Two killed in an explosion in a mosque in Peshawar
At least two people were killed and 11 others were wounded in an explosion in a mosque in Peshawar's Pishtakharra area on Friday, DawnNews reported.
...

link

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 22 Oct 2010 15:19

It would appear that Jolie memsaheba is begining to understand Pakistan a little better after this visit.
I would expect that she would not have understood the real Pakistan even after she'd done that role of daniel pearl's wife in 'A mighty heart'. In that movie, the Pakistanis were the 'good guys' who were allegedly fighting the islamic militants. I doubt that people in the west then understood the duplicity of the Pakistani regime at all.

But being goodwill ambassadors from the UN, and seeing the aiyaashi of the Pakjabi feudals on the one hand and the desperate poverty, malnutrition and illeteracy on the other hand should knock some sense into a few people.

jagga · Post by **jagga** » 22 Oct 2010 15:56

Mango Abdul:India Responcible For Floods

"You know, we've never had so much water come down the Kabul River (from Afghanistan) and flow into the Indus?" he said. "Strange, isn't it?"
I took a moment to digest the question, then asked if he was trying to suggest Afghanistan or America had something to do with the floods.
He paused for a moment. "India," he said, without a hint of irony.
Slightly taken aback by what this educated and erudite man was saying, I suggested that there had been the highest rainfall ever recorded in Pakistan, and surely that could not have been caused by India.
He scoffed: "Don't you know they have the technology to create artificial clouds and send them across the border?"

Vashishtha · Post by **Vashishtha** » 22 Oct 2010 16:33

He scoffed: "Don't you know they have the technology to create artificial clouds and send them across the border?"

Pakis create new lows for themselves, they might just discover '-infinity someday'.XD

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 22 Oct 2010 16:47

Xcpt.cross posted in another thread.

Barack Obama's administration has "a lot of concern about not embarrassing" the Pakistani military, a senior official told the Times.

A senior Pakistani official involved in discussions about the matter told the newspaper that the United States had expressed concern about reports of hundreds of extrajudicial killings committed by the Pakistani military. Pakistan was addressing the issue, he said.

But the official noted that so far, the US government "has not threatened us with withholding of assistance or training for any of our military units on these grounds."

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 22 Oct 2010 16:56

Just how pahatic can you get.

They talk about controling the supply of weapons to specific units. How will the Khans know which unit was involved and which one was not.

anchal · Post by **anchal** » 22 Oct 2010 17:43

Pisswar toll has reached upto 9. Six were terrorists in uniforms including one Lt Col

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/9-kil ... st/701160/

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 22 Oct 2010 17:59

Is There Any Way to Fix Pakistan?

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... x_pakistan

But much of the friction, the general insists, stems from what he sees as the West's -- and the United States' in particular -- inclination to view Pakistan through the prism of India. Until that ends, and outsiders empathize with the Pakistani position on India, the Pakistani army will not change its posture toward its eastern border -- and with it, the long-term strategic considerations that are affecting its cooperation on Afghanistan.

The United States has undoubtedly been generous with its checkbook: It has set aside $400 million to help Pakistan cope with this summer's devastating floods and has promised another $1.5 billion dollars over the next five years. This money is important -- it moves things. But gestures are important, too -- and an Obama visit to Islamabad on his way back from Delhi, Pakistani civilian and military officials argue, would go a long way.

Pranay · Post by **Pranay** » 22 Oct 2010 18:02

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11603874

Six soldiers have died in a roadside bomb in a part of north-west Pakistan where the military declared victory over Islamist insurgents this summer.

A colonel was among those killed in the blast at Orakzai tribal region, near the Afghan border, officials say.

The convoy of paramilitary troops was hit by a remote-controlled landmine in the Yakh Kandaw area.

Meanwhile, at least two people died when a bomb went off in a mosque on the outskirts of Peshawar, police say.

The explosion in Orakzai destroyed the vehicle in which the six soldiers had been travelling to the city of Kohat.

One report said this was the third bomb attack targeting soldiers on patrol in the area since Tuesday.

While in Washington D.C.,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11606431

The US has announced a $2bn (£1.3bn) package of military and security aid to Pakistan on the final day of the latest Washington-Islamabad strategic talks.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton unveiled the five-year deal, which is subject to Congressional approval.

The five-year package announced on Friday is meant to complement a $7.5bn package of civilian aid over five years that was approved by the US in 2009.

It is all designed to reduce Islamic militants' allure and to win Pakistanis' hearts.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 22 Oct 2010 18:20

US asks for Pak-China nuke arrangement details

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 792300.cms

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 22 Oct 2010 18:22

Could go more than half way with Pak: Chidambaram

http://www.thehindu.com/news/article842961.ece

I used to think that PC should be the PM. Not anymore.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Oct 2010 18:33

abhishek_sharma wrote:Is There Any Way to Fix Pakistan?

From the above,

But gestures are important, too -- and an Obama visit to Islamabad on his way back from Delhi, Pakistani civilian and military officials argue, would go a long way.

Obama may yet do so. All this talk of a separate visit in 2011 may be an elaborate subterfuge because an American President has to do so to visit safely the Land of the Purest.

Pranay · Post by **Pranay** » 22 Oct 2010 19:19

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/10 ... ml?_r=1&hp

Filed at 9:36 a.m. ET

WASHINGTON (AP) — Pakistan is calling for President Barack Obama to intervene in its longstanding dispute with India over the Himalayan region of Kashmir, the cause of two of the three wars the nuclear-armed rivals have fought.

Pakistan's foreign minister on Friday made an unusually blunt appeal for Obama to insert himself in the dispute when he visits India next month. He said a recent crackdown against suspected Muslim militants in Indian-controlled Kashmir threatens peace and stability in South Asia.

The same reason that Pakistan uses not to take on the Haqqanis, LET, etc, etc. I suppose in the Pakistani calculation, that too would "threaten peace and stability in South Asia". Such Wisdom!!

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 22 Oct 2010 19:20

^^^ the lobbyists have been busy

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Oct 2010 19:40

A picture tells the complete story. (Courtesy, The Hindu)

On a similar note, federal Pakistani minister, Nilofer Bakhtiar, was forced out of the cabinet after she hugged her paragliding instructor.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 22 Oct 2010 19:42

they come runnin' just as fast as they can
cos every girl crazee bout a sharp dressed man...

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 22 Oct 2010 20:48

US pledges $2 billion more to Pakistan after course correction

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 794604.cms

The US commitment, as anticipated, was announced by secretary of state Hillary Clinton, at the concluding day of the three-day "strategic dialogue" with visiting Pakistani officials. She made no secret of the fact that Washington was leery about Pakistan's dalliance with terror outfits in its pursuit of security objectives, saying, "These groups threaten the security first and foremost of the people of Pakistan, of neighbors, of the United States and indeed of the world."

The $ 2 billion military package, which is in addition to the $ 7.5 billion civilian aid under the Kerry-Lugar-Berman bill, and billions more in reimbursements, will have to pass muster with the Congress, where there are deep reservations about whether Pakistan is willing to make a course correction.

But US officials are said to have conveyed to Pakistan that the channeling of funds is contingent on its actions to roll back state-patronized extremism and carrying the fight against al-Qaida, Taliban, and other terror groups. The aid proposal, if presented to Congress and cleared by it, kicks in from 2012-2016, giving Washington plenty of time to determine if Pakistan is acting on its pledges.

Ahead of Friday's announcement, Washington also showed it could tighten the screws on its ally by leaking news that it was sanctioning a section of the Pakistani military for alleged cold-blooded killing of civilians in Swat Valley exposed in a chilling videotape last month.

The video, which is hugely mortifying for Islamabad given the persistence with which it complains about alleged human right abuses in Jammu and Kashmir amid rampant sectarian killings in Karachi, didn't stop the Pakistani delegation from invoking its dispute with India as the implicit reason for its dodgy policies.

...

Although $ 2 billion over five years is a drop in the ocean for the American war effort, public sentiment in the US, reflected in audience feedback, is strongly against throwing tax-payer money at a country seen as being inimical to US interests. "Making love to a cactus" and a "viper's nest" are some of the metaphors invoked in the US media to describe Washington's tortured relationship with Pakistan.

But the Obama administration, like its predecessor Bush administration, believes the best course is to bankroll Pakistan out of its mistaken policies rather than adopt a confrontational course pushed for in two prominent newsweeklies which ran stories this week asking if the US should "invade Pakistan."

The idea is to make Pakistan fight its own internal battles with American money and equipment. "The United States has no stronger partner when it comes to counterterrorism efforts against the extremists who threaten us both than Pakistan," Clinton said at Friday's meeting, adding that Pakistani and US officials had "productive discussions" this week about eliminating extremist groups operating in Pakistan.

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US lawmakers have taken point further, wondering is American tax-payers are indirectly helping expand Pakistan's nuclear weapons program. "Are we just giving them money, which is after all fungible, and is going into not fighting the Taliban and al-Qaida, but rather is that money just going into the nuclear program?" Senator Pat Leahy asked Clinton in one discussion on the subject.

Clinton said the US has "no basis for believing that any of the money that we are providing will be diverted into the nuclear program," but did not contest the fungibility argument which she has also aired on occasion.

Nearing the end of three days of talks, it appears the Obama administration played nice to Pakistan in public and pledged enhanced aid but delivered a series of warnings and rebukes in private as part of its carrot and stick policy.

Setbacks to Pakistan include Washington's continued non-interference on the Kashmir issue (at least publicly); being cut out of US-Nato backed talks between Kabul and a section of the Taliban; rebuff of its plea for a nuclear deal on par with India; and a rap on the knuckles for human rights violation.

On the flip side, in lieu of a course correction: Billions of dollars in continued aid and engagement.

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 22 Oct 2010 21:07

FYI, some intel on the recent ISAF strike on the Pak border post and the hysterical TSPA reaction to it. Apparently the strike nearly got Sirajuddin Haqqani, who relocated to Upper Kurram to escape drone attacks in his former base in Miranshah. Given the series of ISAF strikes in that area, TSPA was almost surely worried that their key man would have been killed if Unkil wasn't forced to stop the attacks .

Remember - You heard it here first.

sum · Post by **sum** » 22 Oct 2010 21:22

Sad read as to how we are still tolerating a roach nation like Pak:
Make a ‘Super Note’!

Flight PK 268 from Karachi was behind schedule. Mohammed Farooq stared out of the window of the Pakistan International Airlines carrier and shifted uneasily in his seat. At an altitude of 9,500ft, the splendid view of the Chure Hills south of Kathmandu could not have calmed the nerves of the physically challenged Pakistani. It was not the tricky approach to the Tribhuvan International Airport, surrounded by hills, that was the problem. The butterflies in his stomach fed off the precious cargo he had with him. It was always the same; seven times in the lastfive years, six in the past two years.

As the flight landed at 6.30 p.m. on August 9 and the other passengers disembarked, Farooq waited for the airline staff to assist him. He accepted his briefcase from the flight attendant but refused the wheelchair saying he wanted to be wheeled out in his personal wheelchair bundled with his check-in baggage. That was surprising since the norm is that the airlines provide wheelchairs to the needy. As intelligence sources told THE WEEK later, their Indian counterparts had tipped them off about the possible arrival of a consignment of fake Indian currency notes from Karachi, and Farooq’s demand sounded suspicious. His wheelchair was then scanned by the X-ray machine. Neatly tucked into its cushion were fake currency notes. A thorough search of his suitcase revealed a false bottom, which contained more notes. Altogether they recovered ‘super’ fake Indian currency worth 125 lakh (3,000 notes of 1500 denomination and 1,000 notes of 11,000 denomination).

Farooq was the sixth Pakistani carrier to be arrested from Kathmandu till August this year, one of them a woman, and super fake notes worth 12.13 crore were recovered from them (last year the count was 11.5 crore). They are part of a larger plot to target the Indian economy, which has been growing at a steady pace. Pakistan's proxy war has been going on for some time, but of late they have started producing super fake notes which are very difficult to differentiate from genuine notes. Sources told THE WEEK that such notes were being printed at government-run facilities in Pakistan, especially one close to its border with Afghanistan.

A top secret document with THE WEEK shows that two serving Inter-Services Intelligence officers, Ershad Khan and Major Tayyub Ali, are directly controlling the operations and are using the Nepali soil to funnel fake notes into India through the porous, 1,800-kilometre-long border via corridors in Nepalgunj, Janakpur and Birgunj. They have direct links with two of the biggest fake currency dealers in Pakistan, Haji Talaad Ali and Ali Mohammed, says a report prepared by the Kathmandu Metropolitan Police after Farooq's arrest, a copy of which is with THE WEEK. The fake dealers are getting substantial help from the Pakistan embassy in Kathmandu, say sources. “Activities of at least three embassy officials are being monitored in this regard,” says a Nepalese intelligence officer.

In the early part of this decade, Pakistan embassy's first secretary Mohammed Arshad Cheema was said to be actively involved in the fake currency racket. The Nepal Police arrested him on April 12, 2001, with 16kg RDX. Also picked up were his wife and their two Nepali associates. Cheema and his wife were expelled two days later. A year before that, two other embassy officials, Asam Saboor and Ahmed Siraj, were on the intelligence radar for their active involvement in the racket.

The amount of fake Indian currency seized is small when you consider the fact that Farooq alone had made six trips to Nepal and seven to Bangladesh before his game was up. According to an Intelligence Bureau report prepared two years ago, fake currency worth 11,70,000 crore is in circulation in India. New Delhi should certainly be worried. More so because of Pakistan's patronage of the racket.

Fake currency kingpins Talaad Ali and Ali Mohammed take direct orders from the ISI, says the Kathmandu Metropolitan Police report. The Nepalese intelligence had earlier provided detailed dossiers on ISI officers Tayyub Ali and Ershad Khan to their Indian counterparts after the arrest of a middle-aged Pakistani woman, Mariam Wali Mohammed, from the Kathmandu airport with fake currency worth 130 lakh in July.

Sources in the Indian intelligence say that the ISI's direct involvement is significant. “They seem to have shed their dependence on Dawood Ibrahim's network,” says an intelligence officer. “They are not seeking the help of Dawood's trusted men Aftab Batki and Tahir Taklia, who have been managing the fake currency business from their hideout in the Gulf countries.”

The ISI using their modules in Nepal and Bangladesh to push fake currency into India is nothing new. Nepali nationals Ateeq Ahmed and Rajesh Gupta, arrested by the Madhya Pradesh Police from Bhopal in 2009 with fake Indian notes, had told the interrogators of the alleged involvement of Nepal's former crown prince Paras Shah in the business. As many as 22 people were arrested with fake Indian currency in Nepal this year. Most of them were linked to Talaad Ali and Ali Mohammed and, through them, to the ISI officers Tayyub Ali and Ershad Khan. The others arrested belonged to India, Nepal and Bangladesh, mostly those employed to route the currency to India.

But the most important arrest was that of Younus Ansari, son of the former forest minister of Nepal Salim Ansari, on January 1, 2010. Also picked up were his bodyguards Prakash Bhandari and Kanshiram Adhikari and two Pakistanis, Sajjad Muhammad Khurram and Muhammad Iqbal. According to the chargesheet against Ansari, which is in THE WEEK's possession, fake Indian notes worth 125,000 were recovered from him. His direct involvement in the racket became clear when the police raided Hotel Bluestar in the Thapathali area of Kathmandu and recovered three suitcases and a diary from Ansari and his aides. During interrogation, Ansari confessed that he had direct links to an Ali (intelligence sources confirmed that it was indeed Ali Mohammed). Ansari, says the chargesheet, was in constant touch with his Pakistani minders and used to make calls to one number in particular (0092-3212344860).

The chargesheet further says that Ansari had been using Adhikari as a conduit between himself and Khurram. Khurram told investigators that he took direct orders from Talaad Ali, who promised him 115,000 for the successful delivery of two suitcases to Ansari. Talaad Ali had also promised him that he would take care of the incidental expenses. It was the second time Khurram was being used to deliver fake currency. He also told investigators about Talaad Ali's connection with top fake currency operator Mohammad Nadim.

Ansari, the chargesheet says, had been to Pakistan six times and on each occasion he met Talaad Ali. He had been using Bluestar for his operations for the last two years. Vinod Kharel, an employee of the Red Planet Guest House in Kathmandu, where Ansari had rented a room for over a month in December 2009, has told the police that he had seen suitcases stuffed with Indian currency in Ansari's room.

But Farooq is an expendable pawn in the larger game played out by the ISI to weaken the Indian economy. Many more Farooqs are willing to take his place, thanks to the promise of easy money. Realising the gravity of the situation, External Affairs Minister S.M. Krishna and Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao raised the issue with the Nepal authorities during their trip to Kathmandu in January this year. Three years ago, at the Munich Conference on Security Policy, then national security adviser M.K. Narayanan had spoken about fake currency being routed to India via Nepal and Bangladesh. There is immense pressure on Nepalese agencies to stem the currency flow. Sources told THE WEEK that following Farooq's arrest, Nepal's intelligence establishment has handed over the mobile numbers of Talaad (0092-3212332366) and Ali Mohammad (0092-3333473288) to the Research and Analysis Wing. And, the National Technical Research Organisation has been given a list of Pakistani numbers under surveillance, a copy of which is with THE WEEK.

Nepal's newly-constituted Central Investigation Bureau has been entrusted with the task of carrying out the probe into fake currency cases. “We hardly get any cooperation from Pakistan for the probe,” says Deputy Inspector-General Rajendra Singh Bhandari, director of the CIB.

Disgusting Pakis..

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 22 Oct 2010 21:48

sum wrote:Sad read as to how we are still tolerating a roach nation like Pak:

Sum don't be fooled by news items like this. India does not make its own paper for notes and some of the special security printing too is done abroad. I suspect that there are leaks in the British security presses that allow the ISI to steal the design or order some of the same stuff and print good Indian notes.

For all our economy and industry we still do not make our own notes in house. If a man leaves his wife in a friend's house for 6 months a year he can soon expect to be the proud step father of his friend's son.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 22 Oct 2010 21:50

SSridhar, Do you have the picture of Zaradri with Sarah Palin to complement the above picture?

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Also the wrong thing for US is to praise in public and harangue in private. Its the otherway around that works for TSP H&D.