J & K news and discussion

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 21 Oct 2010 20:58

Debate on the separatists meeting is going on right now on Times Now TV

Partha is also on the discussion panel.

Arnab Goswami will certainly not find his name on the padma shri list anytime soon!!

aditya · Post by **aditya** » 21 Oct 2010 23:02

One of the organizers of this "seminar" is a waffling buffoon character called Amit Bhattacharya. He was asked whether he considers Geelani as anti-national. After some incoherent "bhat... bhat...", Bhattacharya goes on to state that "India is a country made up of several nationalities".

Duuuh Sherlock, in that case what is the purpose of this "Azadi" conference?

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 21 Oct 2010 23:11

chetak wrote: Partha is also on the discussion panel.

What did Partha say? Anything that would give cheer to us jingos?

Arnab Goswami will certainly not find his name on the padma shri list anytime soon!!

I assume you are actually complimenting him

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svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 22 Oct 2010 06:09

http://www.cultureandconflict.com/

There is a muslim writer by the name Yasmin Qureshi advocating freedom for kashmir from "indian occupation". She is speaking on this in San Jose state university today evening at 7 pm in Martin Luther King library.

SJSU indian students are attending in numbers to protest against her and they need our presence to show solidarity. Please show up if you can. We need to show strength.

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 22 Oct 2010 08:03

J&K's accession with India full & final: Karan

"The State of Jammu and Kashmir became the part of India like other major States after my Bapuji (father, Maharaja Hari Singh) signed the instrument of accession with the Union of India. There was no difference at all in any terms and conditions and our State also become part of India like other States. It is different thing that some developments took place later and by virtue of Article 370, the State got the special status which no other State has in the country", Dr Singh said at the sidelines of a function organized to unveil a bronze plaque at Jia Pota Chenab bank where Raj Tilak ceremony of Maharaja Gulab Singh took place on June 17, 1822.

Former Sadar-e-Riyasat further said that Jammu and Ladakh can not be ignored in any decision or dialogue. Without their involvement no headway can be made on any issue. He said the representatives from Jammu region should project aspirations of the people and their voice be heard at any fora. The rich culture of Dogras be projected and preserved. He said ‘Jia Pota’ place at the bank of river Chenab in Akhnoor is the first chapter of the Dogra rule, because at this place Maharaja Gulab Singh was coronated as Maharaja of Jammu on June 17, 1822 under historic Jia Pota tree by Lion of Punjab Maharaja Ranjit Singh himself. It is matter of pride for the people of Akhnoor and Dogra region. Thereafter, his fore fathers extended the boundaries of the State and J&K became the largest State of India with 84,000 sq miles area up to Ladakh, Gilgit and Baltistan.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 22 Oct 2010 16:21

BJP slams Centre for letting separatists 'promote' sedition

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 22 Oct 2010 16:44

The counter reaction started after the buggers (supporters in audience) actually had the guts to say "Azadi ka matlab kya, la illahi ill illah" in the auditorium.

Till then the protesters were sitting quietly with black flags.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 22 Oct 2010 16:55

^^^ Wow, GOI is being truly chankian or what? Exposing cashmeriyat as pakistaniyat is a coup, no sweat! snark.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 22 Oct 2010 17:09

Hey, the public has bo problems in seeing the pakistaniyet. The problem is the useful idiots of the left. That is one of the reasons the programme not shown on major news media. The moment you show pakistaniyet the gigs up for both the left and the hurrr-rats.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Oct 2010 17:24

Chidambaram denies Jaitley's charges that the Centre is doing nothing on separatists' speeches

The question here is how did the Delhi Police allow a seminar entitled 'Azaadi is the only way' to be conducted in the first place. The very concept is offensive to and violative of Indian Constitution.

Rejecting Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) leader Arun Jaitley’s charge, Home Minister P. Chidambaram on Friday said Delhi police will take action in accordance with the law over the speeches made by Kashmiri separatist leader Syed Ali Shah Geelani and others at a seminar in New Delhi on Thursday.

“I strongly reject Arun Jaitley’s charge that the Centre was doing nothing when a seminar was held yesterday in which Geelani and others participated,” he said in a statement.

Mr. Chidambaram said the authorities have videographed the entire proceedings of the seminar and have submitted them to the legal advisers for opinion whether there has been a violation of the laws.

“If it is established prima facie that the laws have been violated, Delhi police will take action in accordance with the law,” he said.

anchal · Post by **anchal** » 22 Oct 2010 17:24

^^ Yes true. The only plausible explanation could be 'honorables' could lose their chaddis if public views their perfidy. Anyway Sri PC has reacted to Jaitley comment of accusing Centre looking other way and not doing its duty. Mananiya HM says that DP will do its work and it is *not* true that Centre was not doing anything when lefties and Islamist terrorists were having wet dreams.

The question is what in holy fukc's name was Centre doing?

aditya · Post by **aditya** » 22 Oct 2010 18:01

That could possibly be the only positive outcome of this squak.

Arundhati Roy was looking extremely smug and unperturbed.

Not sure what to read into any of this. Perhaps some things are better left unsaid.

Meanwhile business as usual in Srinagar:

http://news.outlookindia.com/item.aspx?698296

Jammu and Kashmir Government on Friday ordered releasing on parole moderate separatist leader Shabir Ahmed Shah, who is in jail for eight months, to enable him meet his ailing mother hospitalised after a cardiac arrest.

Chief Minister Omar Abdullah made the goodwill gesture and ordered his release from prison in Jammu region.

And... the timing has absolutely nothing to do with Obama visiting...

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 22 Oct 2010 19:58

SSridhar wrote:The question here is how did the Delhi Police allow a seminar entitled 'Azaadi is the only way' to be conducted in the first place.

What I feel is that Delhi Police fully knew what the agenda of the people who were invited for the seminar. They may also have predicted what would be the level of discussions which would happen there. And most likely folks of D.P Special Branch CID would also have been there. Guess this seminar was allowed to proceed, and it was used as a kind of "testing the waters" (for the agencies, and other concerened folks).

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 22 Oct 2010 20:32

Sachin wrote:
SSridhar wrote:The question here is how did the Delhi Police allow a seminar entitled 'Azaadi is the only way' to be conducted in the first place.
What I feel is that Delhi Police fully knew what the agenda of the people who were invited for the seminar. They may also have predicted what would be the level of discussions which would happen there. And most likely folks of D.P Special Branch CID would also have been there. Guess this seminar was allowed to proceed, and it was used as a kind of "testing the waters" (for the agencies, and other concerened folks).

who , not in the watch list , shows up . That is what SB and others check out.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 22 Oct 2010 22:37

From Asok Mitra's op-ed In Telegraph, the Economics and Political Weekly(Commei rag) has an article in its 25 Sept 2010 issue where they discuss seccesion as an option in the Constitution. So this seminar could be a gathering of like minded seditionists and assorted terrorists.

Airavt the myth promted in Indian history books is that Nizam's Hyderabad was the largets state outside British India. And then there si the prattle by Nehruji that not a blade of grass grows which adds to the bad image.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 22 Oct 2010 22:41

ramana wrote:From Asok Mitra's op-ed In Telegraph, the Economics and Political Weekly(Commei rag) has an article in its 25 Sept 2010 issue where they discuss seccesion as an option in the Constitution. So this seminar could be a gathering of like minded seditionists and assorted terrorists.
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This comment on many nationalities and J&K seccesion is part of the larger plan to suppress nationalism and growing national identity.
When the country is growing and has focus now they have created this fake public debate creating confusion.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 22 Oct 2010 23:04

The article is in EPW Sept 25 issue. Its written by Patrick Hoenig.

Who is this guy?

Totem and Taboo: The Case for a Secession Clause in the Indian Constitution?
Patrick Hoenig
The vertical dispensation of power, as it exists in India today, is the result of an attempt to accommodate the ethnic, religious, linguistic and cultural variety of its peoples, while nipping in the bud any political initiative veering in the direction of secession. “Unity in diversity”, the motto of Indian federalism, evokes the image of colourful regional identities woven around a strong national core. But the celebration of the nation state, which is said to have emerged in the face of “daunting odds”, is indicative of how little coincidental the choice of words has been in the praise of Indian federalism: Unity comes first, diversity follows. Picking up on new trends in international and constitutional law, this article argues that the introduction of a secession clause in the Constitution will be conducive to breathing new life into the debate on the division of labour between the centre and the states. Breaking with the taboo of static, irreversible borders and opening the political space for discussing deviations from the territorial status quo may help generate a fresh commitment to constitutionalism and put a stop to the erosion of the Constitution’s integrative power that is giving rise to secessionist claims in the first place. View Full Article

Are foreigners preaching BS?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 22 Oct 2010 23:04

Does this rush/panic/reaction has something to do with the RJB decision by court? PSers and Traitors coming together in such overt manner must have strong backing from the power centres in India as well outside India, mainly from the forces inimical to Desh.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 22 Oct 2010 23:32

There is this constant refrain from the pakis that India must compromise on kashmir despite the opposition from it's parliament and the public.

As also the insistence that the Indian Army should not influence discussions in any way.

Even for a raggedy country run by it's army, this seems a bit much. What they want is that a few pappis and jhappis should give them kashmir and India's parliament and public should lump it.

That's why they always insist on a one on one dealing with MMS as though this hyped up babu really had anything to give away somehow forgetting the resolutions of the Indian Parliament.

They forget that sharm el sheik has been all but forgotten in India and no one pays any heed to it here.

http://www.thenews.com.pk/latest-news/3478.htm

India pulled back by internal pressures: Gilani
Updated at: 2005 PST, Friday, October 22, 2010

ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani Friday said that a breakthrough with India could not be achieved because of the domestic "pressure" faced by the Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.

"I have had some productive exchanges with my Indian counterpart. I am disappointed that the promise of those meetings has not yet been realised. Full resumption of the dialogue process has yet to happen," he said.

"The only way forward for India and Pakistan is dialogue," Gilani said.

Lasting peace and security in South Asia "can only be achieved with a sincere effort to resolve long-standing disputes" and this requires leadership, vision and courage, he added.

Gilani said he believed no breakthrough could be made because of domestic pressures faced by Singh.

"I think the prime minister (Singh) could not stand the pressure within Parliament and India," he said.

and this leadership, vision and courage, is somehow required from the Indian side onlee.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 22 Oct 2010 23:50

ramana wrote: Breaking with the taboo of static, irreversible borders and opening the political space for discussing deviations from the territorial status quo may help generate a fresh commitment to constitutionalism and put a stop to the erosion of the Constitution’s integrative power that is giving rise to secessionist claims in the first place.
Are foreigners preaching BS?

Total fake arguments.
This talk about Asians not having border is part of the colonial mental attitude due to British experience in the region.

negi · Post by **negi** » 23 Oct 2010 00:10

^ Boss any updates on Yasmeen Qureshi's drama in San Jose ?

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 23 Oct 2010 00:29

negi wrote:^ Boss any updates on Yasmeen Qureshi's drama in San Jose ?

This is one account.

There were about 40 people attending.. 20 were whites and other people.. and 20 were indians willing to protest including me.

The speaker was an Indian muslim lady, born in Delhi and hobnobbing with pakistani students association in SJSU. She thanked them for organizing the event and spoke the pakistani side of the story as if it were the truth. Her presentation was totally biased and never talked about who killed hindus there.

Her conclusion was that, Kashmir was an international issue and india shud give up its "occupation" and hold a plebisite.

We all waited patiently for her to finish. When it was open for comments, I was the first to speak thus:

" Ms.Author, you are the very reason, the west has a negative view of muslims. Your presentation is full of holes and you dont have even one hindu shown in the slide. Is it because all hindus have been killed by muslims there? Let me show you some hindus (I showed a paper of hindu dead bodies in Kashmir)

You are presenting a false and biased story and trying to project it as the truth. It is just because india is a democracy were you able to travel there and write about kashmir. if it were POK, they would have cut your nose like the afghani girl and sent you back. Shame on you. shame on you"

they were taken aback, all sort of questions and comments started coming in from indians..... everyone who spoke actually spoke against it.... the author's friend then started taking questions only from non-indians hoping that will stop the tirade. he was in for a rude surprise.

A chinese student who spoke said that since so many people accused the speaker of bias, what was her point in making a totally false and one-sided presentation. She was taken back.

The author then accused me of islamophobia. and said hindus had hatred of muslims which was causing the problem. I interrupted her again and said

" Muslims do not have a iron hand covered by a soft glove. that you can attack anybody, and if somebody talks back on facts, you accuse them of islam hatred. there is no religion involved here.. all that is involved is ur false presentation of facts"

All indians started protesting and ghearoed the speaker after the event.. one of members asked her if she belonged to Jaish e Mohammad or Lashkar-e-toeba and she was taken abck....

what is saddening is an indian-born muslims siding with them...

Sudip · Post by **Sudip** » 23 Oct 2010 00:42

Acharya wrote:.........

What r u talking about indian born muslims?? v got freaking indian born hindus like arun-dhoti roy and wat not towing this line sitting in Delhi.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 23 Oct 2010 00:48

Sudip wrote:
Acharya wrote:.........
What r u talking about indian born muslims?? v got freaking indian born hindus like arun-dhoti roy and wat not towing this line sitting in Delhi.

Dirty dhoti roy is not a Hindu. She is a communist who is as anti-hindu as anyone in pakistan.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 23 Oct 2010 00:58

From NVS in newsinsight.net

Loose Talk

Loose talk

It is crucial to issue a gag order on J&K before president Obama's visit, says N.V.Subramanian.

22 October 2010: It would be wise and prudent if the Manmohan Singh government and the Congress party speak in one voice (if speaking is necessary) about Jammu and Kashmir especially in the run up to president Barack Obama's state visit. The fact of the matter is that J and K permanently has acceded to India, J and K is an integral part of India, and both Pakistan and China remain in illegal possession of large chunks of the state.

Because of consistently strong Indian objections, the Obama administration has lessened (but not removed) the pressure for US mediation between India and Pakistan on the J and K issue. Days ago, there was a news report from Washington that the US president was planning to link India's UN Security Council permanent membership ambitions to resolving the J and K issue with Pakistan and generally bringing peace to the South Asia region. The US government denied the news report but, obviously, there had to be a grain of truth in it, because reporters do not manufacture stories.

At the start of his term, Obama came with the view that the US had to mediate the J and K issue, and there were even suggestions of appointing the former president, Bill Clinton, as a special negotiator. Presumably, India made its displeasure evident, because nothing more was heard of the proposal. And then, under Pakistani pressure, the US attempted to combine J and K with Richard Holbrooke's Af-Pak mandate, giving credibility to the specious theory that Kashmir was the root cause of all the troubles in South Asia, including the Taliban/ Al-Qaeda terrorism in Afghanistan instigated and supported by the Pakistani military and ISI. Once again, India had to work the back channels to ensure that Holbrooke's brief did not include J and K. But that was when India did not speak in confused voices about the state as now.

The present troubles have arisen because of the incompetence of the J and K chief minister, Omar Abdullah, who has publicly been supported to continue in office by Rahul Gandhi. Since Rahul Gandhi is expected to be prime minister soon, everyone of consequence in the government and in the Congress party is posturing support for Omar, from home minister P.Chidambaram to Digvijay Singh to S.M.Krishna, the foreign minister. Both Krishna and Chidambaram claimed that Omar was not out of order to say that J and K had only acceded to India and not merged with it. They missed the implication of Omar's statement that the accession could be unraveled and was by no means permanent.

Following the BJP leader, L.K.Advani's objections to Omar's statement, the Congress president, Sonia Gandhi, has weighed in with her comments. In a Congress journal, she has made the obvious point that J and K is an integral part of India with special status. The spin being put on this, whether it is true or not, is that Sonia has "snubbed" (a favourite media word) Omar. Since Chidambaram and Krishna in their own ways backed Omar, presumably they have been snubbed too. {The sphinx speaks!}

If the snub spin is correct, then it probably would once more highlight the vicious war between Chidambaram and Digvijay Singh, who is ambitious for Chidambaram's job, and spearheading the party's opposition to the home minister. Both Digvijay and Chidambaram have been attempting to counter one another by indulging in votebank politics, but damaging as this would be for a sensitive matter such as Ayodhya, it would hurt India's national interests grievously on an issue like J and K. And even as Sonia reiterates the traditional Indian position that J and K is integrally India's, Chidambaram says there are no "red lines" for the panel of three who will explore a "solution" to the Kashmir issue. Chidambaram's observation is open to mischievous and malicious misconstruction, but that is the peril of speaking all too often on a sensitive matter like J and K.

{And the cherub counters!}

There is, of course, no solution this writer can suggest in regard to the internecine war between the Manmohan Singh government and the Congress party and that particularly waged by Digvijay Singh and Chidambaram against one another. But prime minister Manmohan Singh and Sonia Gandhi should be aware that differences between the party and government on an issue like Jammu and Kashmir gives an opportunity to a foreign power to meddle. It is still not late to issue a gag order on the subject of J and K with only the PM authorized to speak.

N.V.Subramanian will file subsequent commentaries from the UK and the US where he will be located for a time.

Good clarification on all these seemingly disconnected statements. IOW Mrs Sonia Gandhis statement was to snub PC and PC's recent statemetn about no redlines was to her.

Total Delhi durbar fiddling while Cashmere burns.

BTW if Ombaba says anything on J&K then they already know the fighter deal outcome.

Hope Mr. NVS reads BRF.

negi · Post by **negi** » 23 Oct 2010 02:33

The Dilli police reports to HM they could have easily prevented this event by quoting some xyz article from the constitution of India (else what purpose does that piece of toilet paper serve ? freedom of speech anyone ?) and then the pandooze were quick to corner the KP and other protesters who tried to spoil the party being staged by mofos, and Chidu says they would take action after going through the video (is this some p$rn movie ? which he wishes to see in private along with other thumb twiddlers ? ). Even a 'chootiya' would know why the likes of Khalistanis, Kashmiriyat spouting pigs, Naxals and pseudo-intellectuals like Roy and Gilani would come on a same stage (orgy party is ruled out for sure). And here we talk about claiming PoK and Tibet ,what farce.

shynee · Post by **shynee** » 23 Oct 2010 09:25

Srinagar dead were suicide bombers, says Jaish

SRINAGAR: Three men killed in a gunfight in Indian-held Kashmir were on a suicide mission to attack Indian military bases, a militant group said on Friday, adding that three other guerrillas escaped.

Two of the militants from the Jaish-i-Mohammad were killed during a fierce gunbattle on the outskirts of Srinagar on Thursday. The body of a third militant was pulled from the rubble of two houses destroyed during fighting on Friday, a police officer said.

“The three militants were among six fidayeen (militants on suicide mission) assigned to carry out attacks on the Badami Bagh cantonment and Haft Chinar army camp in Srinagar,” Jaish’s operational chief Sajjad Afghani said.

Jaish said the trio were part of a six-member group told to stage the suicide attacks but they were intercepted by troops before they could reach their targets

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 23 Oct 2010 09:32

chaanakya wrote:who , not in the watch list , shows up . That is what SB and others check out.

Chaanakya, does it mean that such meetings will continue to take place ? New elements, not in the watch list, can be expected at every such meeting.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 23 Oct 2010 09:47

ramana wrote:From NVS in newsinsight.net

Loose Talk

Good clarification on all these seemingly disconnected statements. IOW Mrs Sonia Gandhis statement was to snub PC and PC's recent statemetn about no redlines was to her.

Total Delhi durbar fiddling while Cashmere burns.

BTW if Ombaba says anything on J&K then they already know the fighter deal outcome.

Hope Mr. NVS reads BRF.

Ramana, I really do not know if PC can be so out-of-sync with Sonia and still continue as a cabinet minister with an important portfolio. If Rahul Gandhi sides with Omar and PC supports Omar because Rahul is his next boss and Sonia snubs PC, what does it say of Rahul-Sonia relationship ? The Congress always speaks with multiple tongues especially on J&K that nobody knows its real intentions. The Diggy Raja-PC duel is something else.

I believe that this is lack of clarity among our national leaders and tactical firefighting. I doubt if they understand strategic implications of anything that is being uttered in these matters.

On the question of American intervention in J&K, it *will* happen. The Americans are convinced that Kashmir is the root cause of all evils in the region. Being completely selfish and with a poor knowledge of history and geography, they would go to any extent to have their own {foolish} way in this matter and a supine India will take that too. Holbrooke is already functioning as the Viceroy of India, Pakistan and Afghanistan though India pretends otherwise.

sum · Post by **sum** » 23 Oct 2010 09:54

“The three militants were among six fidayeen (militants on suicide mission) assigned to carry out attacks on the Badami Bagh cantonment and Haft Chinar army camp in Srinagar,” Jaish’s operational chief Sajjad Afghani said.

Good intel work by the agencies to intercept them even before they reach their targets,,,

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 23 Oct 2010 10:36

Guys,

I find it amusing that the visit of Shri Om baba is generating such hysteria in the usual places. Almost as if they are seeing him as the king of the world and his (dis)peasure will make GOI change the status quo in the GOI against the Indian interests.

He will get an ear and not an earfull and will be greatful for that.

As for MMS, he may be the PM, but he is answerable to the Indian constitution. Which means that he cannot do some thing which is unconstitutional (Also he is a babu. He can hold his own against any of the bulying tatics employed by the GOTSP). The may not be breathing heallfire and brimstone but compared to the Pakis is an immovable object.

So the whole charade of the Pakis is laughable that the MMS is ready to concede but is bing heald back by the Hawks in the GOI.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 23 Oct 2010 12:17

SSridhar wrote:Chaanakya, does it mean that such meetings will continue to take place ? New elements, not in the watch list, can be expected at every such meeting.

Such meetings may take place even other wise

. One thing the Home ministry can check out would be how much of an effect these sort of rabble rousing has on the common people. If you notcied the media reported this (with their own masala added) but not much happened on this. People just carried on with their business. Plus we also get on record the fantasis and attitudes of the traitors for good. Next thing, it is better to have such orgies in a controlled environment (where the agencies can get the information they want) rather than suppressing all this, which would force the loony fringe to go for secret meetings. This incident have given a new stick for interested people to beat Arundhati Roy, Varavara Rao etc. How these interested people use this stick, is again worth watching.

negi · Post by **negi** » 23 Oct 2010 12:47

Sachin wrote:
SSridhar wrote:Chaanakya, does it mean that such meetings will continue to take place ? New elements, not in the watch list, can be expected at every such meeting.
Such meetings may take place even other wise . One thing the Home ministry can check out would be how much of an effect these sort of rabble rousing has on the common people. If you notcied the media reported this (with their own masala added) but not much happened on this. People just carried on with their business.

Boss this is imo a wrong conception the question one needs to ask is how did all these cretins get in touch and agree to assemble on a same platform ? Who is coordinating all this ?

Here sample

Azadi for Kashmir, the Only Way – Report from a Turbulent Few Hours in Delhi

Read the article; one would have to ask oneself who is a bigger mofo i.e. the ones asking for separation or the ones in 10 janpath with thumbs up their musharrafs ?

Coming together of khalistanis, separatists, naxals , naga extremists and obviously the jholla gang at this moment may look like a symbolic gesture but imo these guys were only testing the waters , soon we would see self styled NGO groups and pseudo academics from the humanities section of leading Utys court these folks and provide traction to their agenda all in the name of freedom of speech. In fact if I am right we have enough cadavers in our politics who might provide the much needed political backing to the cretins for an immediate political gain Dhakkan Vijay singh , Paswan, Lalloo or Mullah yadav along with commies will sooner or later exploit this and we will see Geelani addressing public rallies all over India.

J&K has now become a genuine issue what Pakis couldn't achieve by AK and RDX has been done by Geelani and his fellow stone pelters and all this could not have been possible without the complicit government of banana republic of India.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 23 Oct 2010 12:48

SSridhar wrote: On the question of American intervention in J&K, it *will* happen. The Americans are convinced that Kashmir is the root cause of all evils in the region. Being completely selfish and with a poor knowledge of history and geography, they would go to any extent to have their own {foolish} way in this matter and a supine India will take that too. Holbrooke is already functioning as the Viceroy of India, Pakistan and Afghanistan though India pretends otherwise.

I completely agree. IMO US will broker an LOC++ deal, and India will sign on. To protect MMS (or whoever else signs the dotted line), it will be proclaimed that LOC is some kind of border or "irrelevant" as MMS likes to call it, but India's surrender will come in the form of "joint soverignty". This is a very clever concotion in that it can couched in terms that Indian middle class will fall for, except of course "Hindu extremists".

Bottom line is this: If India is not prepared to counter TSP's aggression in J&K, then since TSP holds the upper hand in terms of military aggresion, i.e. threats of LET attacks, what other options does India have in forcing TSP to back down? Especially with TSP's 3.5 as determined as ever to prop it up. I mean it is truly galling to see TSP given more military aid even as its chutzpah on Mumbai is there for all to see.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 23 Oct 2010 13:48

negi wrote:Boss this is imo a wrong conception the question one needs to ask is how did all these cretins get in touch and agree to assemble on a same platform ? Who is coordinating all this ?

We may not be able to find out who coordinated all this, but I am sure the agencies would know about this in detail. Political priorities etc. may be important, but I honestly feel that agencies would be having all these heroes and heroines in their watch list for quite some time.

PS: What makes me say this is? Karnataka Police last week picked up a Mallu chap from Ajmer. Now the news has come out that Kerala Police anti-terrorist squad (which was later disbanded) had traced this chap all the way to Ajmer. It was political pressure which stopped them from picking him up. But records were maintained and shared, and Karnataka Police did the honours

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jaibhim · Post by **jaibhim** » 23 Oct 2010 17:25

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newsvid ... siege.html Please check the sympathetic portrayal of the struggle for freedom and live footage of the occupier infidel army in action against rebels a term the telegraph uses to identify innocent freedom fighers after so much water has flown under the bridge, in the disputed Himalayan kingdom.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 23 Oct 2010 20:11

The WKK MMS team has kicked off in true dhimmi style. Was there really so great need to mention pakiland at this very stage??

Let's appoint sussanah roy as interlocutor for the maoist problem.

She will bring in china.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Permanent ... 16932.aspx

Jammu & Kashmir
Permanent Kashmir solution not without Pakistan: Padgaonkar
Indo-Asian News Service
Srinagar, October 23, 2010

Noted journalist Dileep Padgaonkar, who arrived in Srinagar on Saturday along with the other two interlocutors on Kashmir, said the team would look at a permanent solution to the issue but added that it would not be possible without

Interlocutors in Kashmir, say ready to talk to anyone
'Interlocutors' views different from national mood'
Pakistan's involvement. "We are here to look for a permanent solution to the Kashmir dispute but a permanent solution is not possible without the involvement of Pakistan," Padgaonkar said while informally talking to reporters.

He said the main focus of their visit was to interact with the youth and they would "go beyond" the 15-minute traditional sessions as the youth are the future of the state.

The three interlocutors - Padgaonkar, academician Radha Kumar and information commissioner MM Ansari - arrived in the afternoon on their first visit to the Kashmir Valley after being nominated as interlocutors.

Both the hardline and the moderate Hurriyat groups headed by Syed Ali Geelani and Mirwaiz Umer Farooq, respectively, have stated they would not meet the team and also asked local trade and student unions not to speak to them.

Padgaonkar, however, expressed hope that the team would be able to break the ice and meet a cross-section of Kashmir society during their four-day visit.

"We have no protocol hassles. We will knock the doors of those who don't come to meet us," Padgaonkar said.

He added that though they have a mandate for one year, they would be submitting interim reports every month.

"There are no borders to our discussions. We will discuss all aspects of the Kashmir dispute with various shades of opinion across the state," Padgaonkar said.

The three interlocutors had met Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Thursday and said he wanted them to look for a political solution to the lingering crisis and especially speak to "youth and women".

Ashley Kravitz · Post by **Ashley Kravitz** » 24 Oct 2010 06:46

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Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 24 Oct 2010 07:39

nachiket wrote:Dirty dhoti roy is not a Hindu. She is a communist who is as anti-hindu as anyone in pakistan.

Actually she is a christian.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 24 Oct 2010 11:15

Jarita wrote:
nachiket wrote:Dirty dhoti roy is not a Hindu. She is a communist who is as anti-hindu as anyone in pakistan.

Actually she is a christian.

Amen