Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2010

Rupesh · Post by **Rupesh** » 18 Nov 2010 23:20

Meanwhile the money received for flood relief is being put to better use

BEIJING: Pakistan has confirmed it will buy Chinese missiles and flight systems to equip its 250 JF-17 Thunder jet fighters as it seeks to deepen military cooperation with Beijing, state media said Thursday.

Rao Qamar Suleman, air chief marshal of the Pakistan Air Force, told the Global Times newspaper Chinese radar systems and SD-10 mid-range homing missiles would be used on the fighters co-developed by the two nations.

“PAF has no plans to install Western devices and weapons on the aircraft for the time being,” the newspaper quoted Suleman as saying.

Pakistan may also buy up to four Chinese surface-to-air missiles, as it seeks stronger cooperation with China to help upgrade its armed forces, Suleman told the China Daily in a separate interview.

link

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 19 Nov 2010 01:18

Lalmohan wrote:one good unilateral concession we can make to paquistan is to stop doing the wagah ceremony so they can do it to their H&D's content
another good unilateral concession is to provide real Parle biscuits during the chai-biskoot sessions at governmental level
the list is endless

If it soothes TSP's H&D to the extent that its 3.5 God fathers force it to crack down on LET, my unilateral concession would be that India would stop refering to itself as an "emerging superpower of the 21 st century". Everyone, including USA, China & their prodigal son, TSP know how hollow that claim is given India's pussilanimous reaction to TSP's terrorist provacations among other things. Maybe an explicit acknowledgment of that may soothe TSP's H&D and reinforces its innate TFTA superirority over the Indian SDREs, leading them further into the morass they are in. And from India's perserctive, its a climb down from fantasy to reality, not a bad thing. It costs India nothing, and the status quo is maintained which means India wins

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Abhijit · Post by **Abhijit** » 19 Nov 2010 01:18

Lalmohan wrote:one good unilateral concession we can make to paquistan is to stop doing the wagah ceremony so they can do it to their H&D's content
another good unilateral concession is to provide real Parle biscuits during the chai-biskoot sessions at governmental level
the list is endless

Indeed, the possibilities are limitless - may even require a new thread. Here are some of my humble suggestions:

New unilateral concessions from India to Pakistan

- Free missile technology transfer with assured supply of spares: Green paint from Asian Paints, which will be rebranded ‘South Asian Paints’ for the shipments
- Free transfer of intellectual capital and free shipment of intellectuals upon receipt of the said intellectual capital: One copy of God of small things. The authoress will be shipped gift-wrapped in a container upon receipt of one God of Small Things. La ilahi illa… Pakistan ka matlab kya and all that, we can’t have ‘Gods’ of small things in the land of pure, right?
- In a spirit of a gesture to the paki h&d, India will announce a unilateral moratorium on all manned space explorations to Mars and beyond for the next 10 years. Then pakis can claim that India-paki are equal-equal in their inability to send a man to Mars.
- As a gesture of genuine respect to the father of Pakistan, India will rename its prominent areas with Jinnah name. Thus Kamathipura in Mumbai becomes Jinnahpura, Sonagachi in Kolkata becomes Jinnahgachi, G B Road in Delhi becomes M(ohammadali) J(innah) Road and so on.
- As a gesture of solidarity with fellow ‘South Asian’ cricketers to our West, India will allow full participation of Paki cricketers in ICL.
- In order to help pakis preserve their superior culture and pakistaniyat, which is being severely eroded by the Indian TV channel programs, Indian Govt will make a strong plea to the broadcast waves of these Yindu programs not to cross the India-Pakistan border. India will also help paki djinn technology erect a strong barrier at the border to stop these waves from crossing over to pakiland.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 19 Nov 2010 02:13

http://www.thepakistaninewspaper.com/ne ... p?id=18388
Washington: Army intervention in Pakistan could be fatal, says Holbrooke

The special envoy for Pakistan and Afghanistan Richard Holbrooke has said that yet another army intervention in Pakistani politics could be dangerous. Richard Holbrooke also said that former President Pervez Musharraf would not be elected in the next elections of 2013 and that his chances to regain power are very bleak. Holbrooke said that Pervez Musharraf did not fulfill his pledges with the USA. Had he (Musharraf) taken stern measures against extremist madrassahs and patronized democracy, things and situation would have been different

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Nov 2010 02:17

So there is some talk about it.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 19 Nov 2010 03:04

Musharraf is popular among "professionals" and a youth bracket of voting age. Public opinion, apparently, is that the Musharraf years were - relative to today - golden years. "If a vote is conducted fairly, Musharraf would be in a position to break through", sayeth a semi-RAPE son of a senior Pak banker - a mohajir out of Kraachi. On the other hand, Zardari is disliked intensely. Apparently his corruption has crossed all bounds of decency. Best solution for said gent is a military takeover: "Military works for Pakistan... Even the goras like them" (exact words).

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 19 Nov 2010 03:34

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/no ... arms-sales

Nicolas Sarkozy was today urged to break his silence over the most potentially damaging corruption scandal of his career: an inquiry into whether he authorised illegal kickbacks from arms sales to Pakistan to fund a political campaign.

and

Balladur lost the 1995 presidential campaign to his bitter enemy Jacques Chirac. From the Élysée, Chirac immediately set about dismantling the network of commissions and launched several secret inquiries into Balladur's possible use of kickbacks. He ordered that all the bribes to Pakistan must stop. In 2002 a bus carrying staff to the Karachi site where the submarine construction was being finalised was bombed. Fifteen people were killed, including 11 French engineers.

For years Pakistan blamed al-Qaida, as did the French government.

But a new anti-terrorist judge investigating the bombing, Marc Trévedic, has suggested a different theory: that the attack was likely to have been a retribution hit because France had stopped the commission payments.

In a significant move, Chirac's former defence minister, Charles Millon, this week confirmed to the inquiry that kickbacks on the arms deals existed.

French newspapers quoted his testimony: "For the Pakistani contract, looking at the secret service reports and analyses carried out by the [defence] ministry services, one has the absolute conviction that there were kickbacks."

Sarkozy and Balladur have flatly denied all allegations of involvement in the Karachi affair. Questioned at a press conference last year, Sarkozy flew into a rage, saying the suggestion that the French engineers were killed as retaliation for unpaid bribes was "ridiculous" and "grotesque" fairy tales. He said: "Let's have some respect for the grief of the victims. Who could believe a fable like that?"

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 19 Nov 2010 04:32

Readout of President Obama's Meeting on Afghanistan and Pakistan
The President held his routine monthly update meeting on Afghanistan and Pakistan. He received an update on our progress in disrupting, dismantling, and defeating al Qaeda in the region. The President then focused on preparations for the NATO Lisbon Summit as it related to Afghanistan and ISAF issues to include recent commitments of additional trainers for Afghan National Security Forces, beginning transition of security responsibility to Afghan lead, and developing our long-term partnership with Afghanistan. The meeting concluded with a discussion of the progress made at the recent U.S.-Pakistan Strategic Dialogue in working with Pakistan to root out violent extremists and support regional stability.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-off ... d-pakistan

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 19 Nov 2010 04:55

pervez hoodbhoy cracks a whip.
Peddling Pseudo Science
http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?268007

Comstech is the Organization of Islamic Countries' highest scientific body. It has received millions of dollars from OIC countries, including Pakistan. Comstech's opulent headquarters are located on Constitution Avenue in Islamabad. It has been headed by Dr. Atta-ur-Rahman since 1996. Although its performance has been consistently mediocre, the organization has now descended to an all-time low.

Given Dr. Rahman's prominent place in Pakistani science, and that he is Fellow of the Royal Society, one must consider seriously his claim that HAARP can cause earthquakes and floods. But even the briefest examination makes clear his claims make no scientific sense.

HAARP stands for High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program.

But science cannot accept Dr. Rahman's claim that "It (HAARP) may also affect plate tectonics causing earthquakes, floods through torrential rains and trigger tsunamis."

Does the good doctor believe in magic and demons? How else can massive tectonic plates be moved by radio waves? Will HAARP tickle a sleeping subterranean monster that awakes and sets off earthquakes? This kind of thinking was what irate and ignorant village mullahs used after the 2005 Pakistani earthquake. They blamed cable television, after which followers smashed thousands of television sets.

Dr. Rahman says he is uncertain if HAARP could equal a nuclear weapon or perhaps be even more destructive. But if it is actually the super-weapon that he alleges, then the laws of physics will have to be overturned. Physicists will have the sad task of unlearning all that they know and burning their useless books. With a heavy heart, I shall return all my physics degrees.

But it is worth asking if at least some genuine scientists support Dr. Rahman's claims. He provides no examples. Instead, he quotes President Hugo Chavez of Venezuela, who accused the US of causing the Haiti earthquake. While I admire Chavez for standing up to political bullying by the US, I am not sure he knows anything about plate tectonics. In fact, his claim caused seismologists to crack up with laughter.

The good doctor enthusiastically endorses the statements of Dr. Nick Begich, one of HAARP's most vocal critics, and refers to him reverentially as a scientist. But Begich's website says that he obtained a doctorate in traditional medicine from The Open International University for Complementary Medicines in 1994. In other words Begich is not a scientist, but a homeopath who obtained a mail order degree.

Yet another quoted "authority" is the arch conspiracy theorist, Michel Chossudovsky, a retired professor of economics in Ottawa. In Dr. Rahman's pantheon of "experts", none has published a scientific paper in a reputable science journal that demonstrates a connection between ionospheric physics and any weather or subterranean phenomenon. In short, Dr. Rahman's claims about HAARP are based on pseudo-science promoted by conspiracy theorists who blame America for all grief in the world.

Once science loses its objectivity and becomes enslaved to any kind of ideology or political opinion, it becomes useless. Quack science does not just cost money. It also confuses people, engages them in bizarre conspiracy theories, and decreases society's collective ability to make sensible decisions. One must therefore seriously question whether a pseudo-science organization like Comstech deserves lavish funding from poor Pakistanis. We have better things to spend our money on. As for the world of science: it will not even notice Comstech's demise.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 19 Nov 2010 05:02

JE Menon wrote:Musharraf is popular among "professionals" and a youth bracket of voting age. Public opinion, apparently, is that the Musharraf years were - relative to today - golden years. "If a vote is conducted fairly, Musharraf would be in a position to break through", sayeth a semi-RAPE son of a senior Pak banker - a mohajir out of Kraachi. On the other hand, Zardari is disliked intensely. Apparently his corruption has crossed all bounds of decency. Best solution for said gent is a military takeover: "Military works for Pakistan... Even the goras like them" (exact words).

Quote:
WASHINGTON: Pakistan’s Ambassador to the United States Husain Haqqani has called for greater American public support for the country’s flood victims.

Haqqani faulted coverage of the tragedy in the American media. He pointed out that the media ignored the plight of flood victims and instead focused unduly on political and security implications of the floods that triggered an epic humanitarian crisis.

Haqqani was making an impassioned appeal to back recovery efforts for flood victims to a gathering of American citizens, Congressional staffers and Pakistani-Americans at an event the ambassador and his wife, MNA Farahnaz Ispahani, hosted at their residence.

Since there is no support for the flood victims and the relief effort in Pakistan this will be another excuse to go for military.

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 19 Nov 2010 05:03

Dr. Omar Ali's diagnosis:

More Or Less?
The notion that we are being unfairly asked to “do more” by the US and that things would be fine if that was not done is a common feeling in Pakistan...

... A very intelligent senior journalist in Pakistan had complained that we are suffering in the war on terror and the US is asking us to "do more" without realizing how hard things are. The notion that we are being unfairly asked to “do more” and things would be fine if that was not done is a common feeling in Pakistan. My reply follows.

According to this popular version of events, the US and other powers got a military dictator to arm and train these maniacs (no Pakistani interest in this scheme is implied), then things sort of coasted along happily for 12 years, then came 9-11 (frequently believed to be a Mossad-CIA operation) and the US turned around and said: “We want them dead now”. Since then, the refrain goes, we have been dutifully trying to kill these maniacs and the current Pakistani government in particular is trying its best to kill them and it is unfair of the US to ask us to "do more".

First of all, the jihadi project was indeed a CIA project, but it was also our project from the very beginning. America wanted Russia humbled in Afghanistan. We wanted that humbling to be done by Islamist jihadis under our control and some of “us” had the foresight and brilliance to see in this an opportunity to settle scores with India and establish permanent control over domestic Pakistani politics and so on and so forth.

Second, after the CIA finished its dirty business in Afghanistan and left, “we” multiplied the jihadi infrastructure by 10. We redirected it to Kashmir and spread it throughout Pakistan. Of course the westoxicated burger-jihadi middle class had very little notion of what was going on. These were serious things, handled by serious people in the security establishment, not shared with the rest of the country except on a “need to know basis”. It is disingenuous to think the multiplication of jihadi militias throughout the 1990s was also America's fault (though the US did ignore it—perhaps because they thought it improved their leverage over India, perhaps because they were busy with other things).

Third, the current government may be "doing more", but how will "doing less" help in this situation? And if the army is now on board with stopping this menace (and I think it may be that their leaders indeed are on board by now, though the rank and file is being fed a diet of anti-Indian and anti-Israeli propaganda to justify this action) then why are army-sponsored PR operators and ex-generals and admirals still writing op-eds as if the jihadis are our heroes and America is the enemy?

These things indicate that the urge to maintain a jihadi option (for domestic use as much as for use against India) is still alive and well.

Sadler · Post by **Sadler** » 19 Nov 2010 06:53

arun wrote:So would that make the Taliban, Hindjew Indraeli’s ?

Taliban neither Islamic nor Pakistani, asserts Malik

Weren't the porki piglets along with the saudi barbarians the only two countries to recognize the taliban?

Sadler · Post by **Sadler** » 19 Nov 2010 06:56

shiv wrote: ................. and I have read Paki articles in the last 3 days where Pakis have said "China has 1 trillion in dollar reserves and this is a resource that need to be utilized" "Resource" to be "utilized" by Pakistan.

That is really un-freakin-believable. Only the porkis.... LOL indeed.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 19 Nov 2010 07:04

It is OK to shoot kafirs in cold blood, but not my sons
http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/11/18/1 ... -edge.html

One trader quietly told how on Oct. 19, gunmen pulled up the steel shutters of his store and shot his two sons and brother inside. His sons, age 24 and 26, died, while his brother was critically injured and is now partly paralyzed.

The shop owner said that he, along with every other outlet in the market, was dutifully paying extortion money to Baloch gangs.

"They shot them as if they were infidels," said the shop owner,

tejas · Post by **tejas** » 19 Nov 2010 08:06

Weren't the porki piglets along with the saudi barbarians the only two countries to recognize the taliban?

Shalom Sadler. You forgot one other beacon of light to be added to that prestigious list, the UAE.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 19 Nov 2010 08:15

tejas wrote:
Weren't the porki piglets along with the saudi barbarians the only two countries to recognize the taliban?
Shalom Sadler. You forgot one other beacon of light to be added to that prestigious list, the UAE.

beacon of light? From 7th century...barbaric animals that ill treat workers, maids and behave like who they are, wherever they go...

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 19 Nov 2010 09:42

shiv wrote:It is OK to shoot kafirs in cold blood, but not my sons
http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/11/18/1 ... -edge.html
"They shot them as if they were infidels," said the shop owner,

The joker deserved what he got.

On a personal not, I was reading a post by one the members and the post talked of pigs dying in floods etc. I was troubled by it. My thinking was/ is that the people who are victims of this murdours idealogy deserve constitutional protection from the barbarians. It is our duty to bring LAWs to them. Bring them to the path of peace and redemption.

But reading the view of the shopkeeper above was revolting. That he thinks that killing a non believer is OK. What kind of religion sanctions the murder of people who follow a diffrent path.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 19 Nov 2010 09:46

Folks,

What is find amazing is that until a month or so ago. This thread would regularly meet its 72 in a month or there abouts. But for this one we are into one month and are onlee half way there.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 19 Nov 2010 09:53

Acharya wrote:
Quote:
WASHINGTON: Pakistan’s Ambassador to the United States Husain Haqqani has called for greater American public support for the country’s flood victims.

Haqqani faulted coverage of the tragedy in the American media. He pointed out that the media ignored the plight of flood victims and instead focused unduly on political and security implications of the floods that triggered an epic humanitarian crisis.

Haqqani was making an impassioned appeal to back recovery efforts for flood victims to a gathering of American citizens, Congressional staffers and Pakistani-Americans at an event the ambassador and his wife, MNA Farahnaz Ispahani, hosted at their residence.

This pukies are one hell of a unique nation who begs (entitlement!) for its flood victims to a country bombing its land, cedes territory to another country, then go on shopping billion $ weapons to fight another country which is not even a present and clear danger to its sovereignty

I cant find a word in dictionary...

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 19 Nov 2010 09:56

Pratyush wrote:Folks,

What is find amazing is that until a month or so ago. This thread would regularly meet its 72 in a month or there abouts. But for this one we are into one month and are onlee half way there.

blame it on 72'ers for not doing their job consistently and efficiently. We dont have anything to discuss about these as..les otherwise.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 19 Nov 2010 10:01

Pratyush wrote:
shiv wrote:It is OK to shoot kafirs in cold blood, but not my sons
http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/11/18/1 ... -edge.html
"They shot them as if they were infidels," said the shop owner,
The joker deserved what he got.
But reading the view of the shopkeeper above was revolting. That he thinks that killing a non believer is OK. What kind of religion sanctions the murder of people who follow a diffrent path.

Trasformation is complete in Poakland. Its shameful that these BDY inbreeding creatures of haram live in our neighborhood.

Vril · Post by **Vril** » 19 Nov 2010 10:04

abhijitm wrote:

This pukies are one hell of a unique nation who begs (entitlement!) for its flood victims to a country bombing its land, cedes territory to another country, then go on shopping billion $ weapons to fight another country which is not even a present and clear danger to its sovereignty

I cant find a word in dictionary...[/quote]

Pakistan???

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 19 Nov 2010 10:05

Vril wrote:
abhijitm wrote:
This pukies are one hell of a unique nation who begs (entitlement!) for its flood victims to a country bombing its land, cedes territory to another country, then go on shopping billion $ weapons to fight another country which is not even a present and clear danger to its sovereignty

I cant find a word in dictionary...
Pakistan???

how could I not remember

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 19 Nov 2010 10:20

Obama’s sojourn in India!
Patient, Hai Dulla Maan da
http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... n-in-India

Obama’s sojourn to India is planned to complete the psychological boosting - a process that
began nearly a decade and a half ago: India has had a “Miss Universe” and “Miss World”, its
authors have won major literary awards, Bollywood has joined Hollywood, its IT industry has won
acclaims, it receives preferential treatment on nuclear technology and armament, Hindu terrorism
is tolerated, its human rights violations in Kashmir are ignored, Hollywood actresses nowadays
carry handbags with “Made in India” logos printed on them - and the US President appears in
India supporting its desire for a UN Security Council’s permanent membership, applauding its
democracy (even today with its strict class segregation) and its rise to global
political-economic-cultural eminence. Firstly, in India’s population of around 1.1 billion people, about 400 million are illiterate - a full one-third of the population. Secondly, though Indian democracy has flourished in a strict sense of the concept, a firm Hindu class structure is still very much intact. Thirdly, India’s social problems emanating from its class-structure and rural underdevelopment beset it with serious social and educational problematics - an estimate suggests that an average Indian child enjoys a mere five years of education. Fourthly, poverty and economic disparity in urban India is phenomenal. Fifth, roads and communication infrastructures, vital for rapid economic growth, are insufficient or lacking. But the question is, how will the influx of US capitalistic initiatives and corporate culture of military-industrial oligarchies lift the Indian masses out of their timeless poverty and deprivations?
William Pesek of Bloomberg in a recent article observed: “The so-called Washington consensus
of free markets, transparency and unfettered globa-lisation is more of a punch line these days
than a recipe for prosperity.” Indeed, this is an absolutely accurate observation in general, and
more so particularly in the case of India, where massive poverty alleviation needs more of a
revolutionary approach than traditional capitalism, which segregates a society even more on
socio-economic levels.

The writer: a professor, political analyst and conflict-resolution expert.
A Poaktown hero ,dumb like goo.

amit · Post by **amit** » 19 Nov 2010 10:34

Prem wrote:Obama’s sojourn in India!
Patient, Hai Dulla Maan da
http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... n-in-India
Obama’s sojourn to India is planned to complete the psychological boosting - a process that
began nearly a decade and a half ago: India has had a “Miss Universe” and “Miss World”, its
authors have won major literary awards, Bollywood has joined Hollywood, its IT industry has won
acclaims, it receives preferential treatment on nuclear technology and armament, Hindu terrorism
is tolerated, its human rights violations in Kashmir are ignored, Hollywood actresses nowadays
carry handbags with “Made in India” logos printed on them - and the US President appears in
India supporting its desire for a UN Security Council’s permanent membership, applauding its
democracy (even today with its strict class segregation) and its rise to global
political-economic-cultural eminence. Firstly, in India’s population of around 1.1 billion people, about 400 million are illiterate - a full one-third of the population. Secondly, though Indian democracy has flourished in a strict sense of the concept, a firm Hindu class structure is still very much intact. Thirdly, India’s social problems emanating from its class-structure and rural underdevelopment beset it with serious social and educational problematics - an estimate suggests that an average Indian child enjoys a mere five years of education. Fourthly, poverty and economic disparity in urban India is phenomenal. Fifth, roads and communication infrastructures, vital for rapid economic growth, are insufficient or lacking. But the question is, how will the influx of US capitalistic initiatives and corporate culture of military-industrial oligarchies lift the Indian masses out of their timeless poverty and deprivations?
William Pesek of Bloomberg in a recent article observed: “The so-called Washington consensus
of free markets, transparency and unfettered globa-lisation is more of a punch line these days
than a recipe for prosperity.” Indeed, this is an absolutely accurate observation in general, and
more so particularly in the case of India, where massive poverty alleviation needs more of a
revolutionary approach than traditional capitalism, which segregates a society even more on
socio-economic levels.
The writer: a professor, political analyst and conflict-resolution expert.
A Poaktown hero ,dumb like goo.

William Pesek Jr would puke if he read this article.

negi · Post by **negi** » 19 Nov 2010 10:38

Conflict resolution expert.

.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 19 Nov 2010 10:51

The MoFo needs to visit FATA and the wild west to be truly useful to his nation. Instead of wrighting about India.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 19 Nov 2010 11:01

shiv wrote:
Rajdeep wrote: Begging Bowl Extended all around the world !!
Google results for "beggar nation"

And Credit goes to Pakistan for the Google's Search "Page one Begger Nation Award!"

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 19 Nov 2010 11:42

As dose the award for "page one nation goat p0rn award."

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 19 Nov 2010 12:18

Pratyush wrote:

But reading the view of the shopkeeper above was revolting. That he thinks that killing a non believer is OK. What kind of religion sanctions the murder of people who follow a diffrent path.

Friend , it is Islam.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 19 Nov 2010 12:22

I know it is Islam. The question was more in terms of the lack of action and acknoledgement from the ROW. Why is rest of the civilised world is not doing any thing to drain this swamp. And reclaim these people into the human civilisation as opposed to the murdering and raping one.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 19 Nov 2010 12:27

Pratyush wrote:I know it is Islam. The question was more in terms of the lack of action and acknoledgement from the ROW. Why is rest of the civilised world is not doing any thing to drain this swamp. And reclaim these people into the human civilisation as opposed to the murdering and raping one.

Because civilized people are too busy being "Politically Correct Cowards"

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 19 Nov 2010 12:29

Prem wrote: Trasformation is complete in Poakland. Its shameful that these BDY inbreeding creatures of haram live in our neighborhood.

As will smith says in the movie I am Legend and I quote "Social de-evolution appears complete. Typical human behavior is now entirely absent".

Nihat · Post by **Nihat** » 19 Nov 2010 12:37

darshhan wrote:
Pratyush wrote:

But reading the view of the shopkeeper above was revolting. That he thinks that killing a non believer is OK. What kind of religion sanctions the murder of people who follow a diffrent path.
Friend , it is Islam.

not really darshan, but I see where you are coming from. Incase of Pakistan and pakistani's or even Kashmiri's for that matter this belief stems from a seige mentality which evolves over decades when people tend to stay in their own cuckoon and staunchly deny any wrongdoing by turning their face away. Nationalism and theocracy become one and the same thing and it spreads like a cancer.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 19 Nov 2010 12:47

Nihat wrote:
darshhan wrote:
Friend , it is Islam.
not really darshan, but I see where you are coming from. Incase of Pakistan and pakistani's or even Kashmiri's for that matter this belief stems from a seige mentality which evolves over decades when people tend to stay in their own cuckoon and staunchly deny any wrongdoing by turning their face away. Nationalism and theocracy become one and the same thing and it spreads like a cancer.

Nihat ji , I will not get into a religious discussion here since it is not permitted here.But I will stand by my statement based on my study of Quran and Muhammad's lifestory.Infact the siege mentality that you are talking about also stems because of the same ideology which is propagated by Islam.

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 19 Nov 2010 12:53

Pratyush wrote:
shiv wrote:It is OK to shoot kafirs in cold blood, but not my sons
http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/11/18/1 ... -edge.html
"They shot them as if they were infidels," said the shop owner,
The joker deserved what he got.

Yep - goes along with nice quotes like the following, immediately after Kasab was convicted (from a farmer from Faridkot):

“Look, don't blame him. There is nothing wrong if he did it with good intentions against an infidel country like India,” said Amjad Ali, a 60-year-old farmer with white hair.

from http://news.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/da ... tion-hs-02

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 19 Nov 2010 15:36

Timeline - the Karachi bombing and kickbacks from submarine sales

http://www.france24.com/en/20101118-kar ... -luxembour

Vcpts:

In 2002 a suicide bomber killed 14 workers of French marine engineering company DCN in Karachi, 11 of whom were French citizens. These killings are linked to submarine sales by France to Pakistan that go back to the early 1990s.
1993

Edouard Balladur is French prime minister under then President Francois Mitterrand.

The French Naval Construction Executive (DCN) is looking to sell French submarines to Pakistan.

As France is competing with Germany for the contracts, SOFMA, the company responsible for the export of French military hardware, is offered a 6.25 percent commission on any future sales. This commission was perfectly legal at the time.

1994

In September 1994 a contract is signed between Pakistan and France for the purchase of submarines for a total of 5.41 billion francs (826 billion euros).

1995

SOFMA looks to pocket 338 million francs, while two Lebanese businessmen, through off-shore company Mercor Finance, look set to receive a four percent commission (216 million francs) to be shared with Pakistani intermediaries for securing the deal.

The French presidential election campaign pitches Prime Minister Edouard Balladur against Jacques Chirac for the Gaullist RPR party’s nomination. Budget Minister and future French president Nicolas Sarkozy is in charge of Balladur’s campaign.

According to left-leaning French daily Liberation in an April 2010 report, the Lebanese businessmen sold their commission contract to a Spanish bank in June 1995 for an immediate down-payment of 54 million francs, with the rest to be paid once the DCN contract with Pakistan was concluded.

Almost simultaneously, 10 million francs in cash (mostly in 500-franc notes) is paid into Balladur’s campaign fund account (one fifth of the total funds), according to the Liberation report.

1996

Jacques Chirac wins the party nomination and is elected president. On discovering the scale of the sales and commissions to be paid, he orders an immediate inquiry led by Defence Minister Charles Millon.

In November 2010, Millon confirmed that he had concluded in his 1996 investigation that there had been kickbacks from the commission payments.

Jacques Chirac orders that all commission payments to Mercor Finance be halted immediately, although according to Liberation, payments continued well into 2001.

2002

A suicide bomber in Karachi, Pakistan kills 14 people, of whom 11 are French naval engineers working for DCN.

France immediately accuses al Qaeda of instigating the attack - although no one has ever claimed responsibility for it.

2007

Anti-terrorism judge Jean-Louis Bruguiere, assigned to lead the investigation into the bombing, is replaced by two investigating magistrates, Marc Trevidic and Renaud Van Ruymbeke.

Marc Trevidic opens a new direction in the investigation, namely that the attack was linked to the halting of commission payments.

2008

Weekly French news magazine Le Point reveals that a 2002 report by a former agent of the DST (French homeland defence and intelligence agency) concluded that the attacks were “financially motivated”.

2010 – June

French investigative news website Mediapart claims that, according to the Luxembourg authorities, Sarkozy (as budget minister in 1994) set up off-shore company Heine to handle transactions to Mercor Finance in the submarines deal.

The website says that Luxembourg police believed “some of the funds that passed through the Luxembourg account were channelled back to France to finance the campaigns of French political parties.”

Such allegations had been described as a “grotesque fairytale” by Sarkozy in 2009.

Investigating magistrate Trevidic confirms that there were indeed kickbacks associated with the submarine sales.

2010 – August

The families of the 2002 bombing victims start civil proceedings against Jean-Marie Boivin, former administrator of the Heine offshore fund set up in Luxembourg in 1994, for perjury.

The case is handled by Ruymbeke. But Paris prosecutor Jean-Claude Marin says that allegations of corruption by politicians in the 1990s are too old to be investigated.

2010 – October

Ruymbeke announces that he will, after all, investigate the corruption allegations - in particular, the allegations that kickbacks from the submarine sales were used to fund Balladur’s 1995 election campaign.

Balladur says that his campaign funds were given the all-clear by the French Constitutional Court in 1995 and that there is no case to answer.

2010 – November

On November 10, Bernard Accoyer, speaker for France’s National Assembly, refuses to hand Tredivic the testimony of some 60 people – including Balladur - who gave evidence to a parliamentary inquiry into the affair, citing France’s constitutional separation of power between parliament and the judiciary.

News website Mediapart says that two of its journalists working on the Karachi file are under constant surveillance by the French security services.

The satirical newspaper Canard Enchaine claims, in the same week and in a separate case, that Sarkozy is supervising the surveillance of journalists personally. The Elysee Palace denounces these claims as “utterly ridiculous”.

On November 17, in an interview with Mediapart, Gerard-Philippe Menayas, former financial director of the DCN, says that the payment of commissions from the submarine sales passed through a Luxembourg company called Cedel, later known as Clearstream.

Clearstream is the subject of another scandal alleging illegal kickbacks from the sale of warships in the early 1990s which was linked to senior politicians including former Prime Minister Dominique De Villepin, Sarkozy’s arch enemy.

On November 18, the families of the French engineers killed in the 2002 bomb attack in Karachi call for Sarkozy to testify in the case.

A lawyer for the families said they had lodged a demand with Ruymbeke that he question Sarkozy, Jacques Chirac and also Dominique de Villepin in the case.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 19 Nov 2010 17:14

http://www.thenational.ae/news/worldwid ... h-politics

Please note the names below and start tracking their activities.

ISLAMABAD // Two groups linked to Pakistan's most notorious terror organization, Lashkar-i-Taiba, have been particularly busy in recent months, raising their public profile.

The Tanzeem Falah-i-Insaniyat (TFI) - literally, the humanitarian relief organisation - was prominent in relief work during the flooding in August. It has apparently taken over as the primary charitable arm of the Lashkar-i-Taiba militant group, which staged the 2008 attacks in Mumbai that killed 166 people.

A second splinter group, the Tehrik Azadi-i-Kashmir (TAK) - movement for the freedom of Kashmir - held a rally at an Islamabad market in September. TAK has emerged as a new and, apparently, peaceful political movement.

The event was the first anti-India rally staged by militants in Islamabad in several years. It took place near the headquarters of the Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) agency. United States officials say a faction of the ISI supports Pakistan's Islamist militants.

The keynote speaker was Hafiz Abdul Rehman Makki, a TAK leader and former head of political affairs for Jama'at ud Dawah (JuD), a charity arm of Lashkar-i-Taiba. The United Nations declared the JuD a terrorist organisation after the Mumbai attacks.

The rally announcement demonstrates the ties between TAK and the militants. Pakistani news media received invitations via mobile text message signed by Mohammed Yahya Mujahid, described as the co-ordinator of the TAK. He is the spokesman for the founder of the Lashkar-i-Taiba, Hafiz Mohammed Saeed.

and

Analysts say it appears that factions of Pakistan's anti-Inda terrorist community are moving towards a merger under JuD leadership.

They requested anonymity on grounds of personal security. They cited written threats, made since July, to Pakistani journalists who have reported on the resumption of public activity by JuD activists, and the historic ties between the militants and the Pakistani military.

and

At the public level, the TFI, during October established a network of roadside stalls in Lahore, ostensibly to collect donations and supplies for flood victims, residents said.

The residents said the stalls have large advertising boards that use the black and white colours and stripes of the JuD flag, but stopped short of using its name.

Similarly, the branding has been used on a number of billboards that have sprung across Lahore recently, inviting public participation in collective animal sacrifices on Eid al Adha.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 19 Nov 2010 17:24

Syed Saleem Shahzad on Sheikh Essa:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/LK19Df04.html

After the US invasion of Afghanistan, Essa crossed the border to the North Waziristan tribal area in Pakistan. There, with the help of two prominent clerics, Sadiq Noor and Abdul Khaliq Haqqani, he turned the sympathies of the tribal areas, previously loyal to Pakistan, against the military.

However, he did not limit himself to the tribal areas and found allies all over the country. Masood Janjua (detained by the security forces several years ago and still missing) was his first adherent and in a matter of a few years Essa had a huge following in Pakistan.

The most prominent of these were the prayer leaders of the Lal Masjid (Red Mosque) in Islamabad that became a pro-militant sanctuary. Essa's literature and teachings convinced a sizeable number of Pakistani jihadis of the "heresy" of the Pakistani rulers and persuaded them to press ahead with a fully-fledged revolt.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 19 Nov 2010 17:36

http://criticalppp.com/archives/29581

The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan recently reported that more than 1,350 people had been killed in Karachi in targeted political killings so far this year, more than the number killed in terrorist attacks in all of Pakistan.

Amber Alibhai, the secretary general of Citizens for a Better Environment, said: “If our government is not going to wake up, I fear Karachi will have ethnic cleansing like Bosnia. There’s no one to stop it. Who’s going to stop it? The police? The army? They can’t.”