INS Arihant (ATV) News and Discussion -2

dinesha · Post by **dinesha** » 27 Oct 2010 11:49

...the navy seems not too happy with the first one and plans to make it into a TD platform..

Substantiate..
Please do not indulge in rumor mongering/speculations.. let us not initiate another "tin can" characterizations..

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 27 Oct 2010 16:20

sum wrote:Navy seems not too happy?

Yes the first sub seems to have some issue and has yet to start trials , but don't take my word as gospel truth I just shared what I came to know.

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 27 Oct 2010 16:34

Yes the first sub seems to have some issue and has yet to start trials , but don't take my word as gospel truth I just shared what I came to know.

If true so who will be blamed for this??

the Russians since according to the Rodina lovers they gave us so much which obliges us to ignore their faults everywhere else??

The Navy - since it was involved with it all the way through

the Indian agencies??

This will be interesting - my bet is it will blamed on the Indian agencies (dock, suppliers whoever)

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 27 Oct 2010 17:13

Without knowing the actual issue with ATV and if that news is indeed true , it would be just speculation on my part but I think the first of the class is always a challenge to deal with.

The Borei too was rolled out in April 2007 but the actual sea trial started in June 2009 almost 2 years after initial roll out , problem attributed amongst others to her new gen reactor

Vivek K · Post by **Vivek K** » 27 Oct 2010 18:54

So the Russians are not going to claim that it was the over-smart, hard bargaining dock workers that caused the problem with the Arihant?
Pkduva on Oct 16th posted a completely different view from Austin's.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 16 Nov 2010 22:30

Rear Adm A.P. Revi's article on Arihant-The Annhilator
in IDR.

KiranM · Post by **KiranM** » 16 Nov 2010 22:55

Even if Arihant will be restricted to TD status until other classes of SSBN/SSN are perfected, they can still be used for special intel gathering purposes. At that point in time, cram its innards with customized Samyukta and pack off to South China Sea. It will not be expected to sprint at combat speed either.

pkudva · Post by **pkudva** » 17 Nov 2010 12:48

I still stand by my words.

Everything going fine. As in any Project minor hick ups do come and they have already been taken care.

Close monitoring is being done to achieve the schedule. the next one is moving at great pace based on the learning of the Arihant.

Cheers!!!

kit · Post by **kit** » 17 Nov 2010 13:20

Philip wrote:There are several sqds. of TU-22/22M3s available.They have been mothballed.They have to have better AEW and anti-missile warning systems,but are excellent platforms with a couple of decades of life left in them.Equipped with hypersonic Brahmos and our 1500km LR cruise missile being developed,they would be hugely capable platforms.Why,the US is still using a large number of B-52s and plan to modernise even these too! Thanks to stand-off missiles,any Cold War LR bomber is relevant today.Even our pensioned off Canberra's can be resurrected with the right knid of stand-off missiles.The Oscars are extremely formidable,with a v.heavy weaponload specifically built to destroy carrier task forces (one Oscar built for each US carrier task force).These are being offered to us specifically to deal with any PLAN carrier group,as 4 carriers are being built.LR Backfires operating from our land and island bases and Oscars combined would be a deadly combination able to deal with any navy that challenges the IN in the future.

A very good idea.Hope IN has plans along these lines.Only thing to be in consideration is that the airframe should have no problems in maintanence after induction.The rest of the electronic surveillance and warfare gear can be customised relatively easily,i guess.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 17 Nov 2010 13:30

Kit,

You have been taken in by the used Russian military hardware sales man. Never mind the fact that they will take forever & gazallions of $ to modify. Never mind that this would be a single vendor deal. Minus the RFI/ RFP.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 20 Nov 2010 21:25

India Today latest issue by sandeep unnithan "The secret K missile family".
K-4 3500 km SLBM tested in Jan , 10m long 1.3m dia , 20T weight.

Arihant can carry 4 K-4 or 12 750 KM K-15 shaurya.
5000km under development , air launched 200 km 2T hypersonic missile under development.

Nice pics of arihant at pier

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 20 Nov 2010 21:30

ATV Arihant expected to be commisioned by 2013 delayed by 2 years

Willy · Post by **Willy** » 20 Nov 2010 22:18

The K-15 has been tested 8 times in various versions over the years and its ready now? Wow!! But what do we need a 200 km, 500 ton warhead air launched missle for when there is the 300 km , 300 kg Brahmos. With just 200 km range the Su30-MKI would have to get real close to a target. So no use as a nuke missile.

rakall · Post by **rakall** » 20 Nov 2010 22:27

Willy wrote:The K-15 has been tested 8 times in various versions over the years and its ready now? Wow!! But what do we need a 200 km, 500 ton warhead air launched missle for when there is the 300 km , 300 kg Brahmos. With just 200 km range the Su30-MKI would have to get real close to a target. So no use as a nuke missile.

Carrier killer porbably !!!!

Can somebody post scans of the India Today article!!!

Willy · Post by **Willy** » 20 Nov 2010 22:31

Austin wrote:India Today latest issue by sandeep unnithan "The secret K missile family".
K-4 3500 km SLBM tested in Jan , 10m long 1.3m dia , 20T weight.

Arihant can carry 4 K-4 or 12 750 KM K-15 shaurya.
5000km under development , air launched 200 km 2T hypersonic missile under development.

Nice pics of arihant at pier

Why dont they give us a full blown pic of the Arihant

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 20 Nov 2010 22:33

Somebody for fux sake please scan upload...

Willy · Post by **Willy** » 20 Nov 2010 22:39

JE Menon wrote:Somebody for fux sake please scan upload...

Sorry dude. Me cant do it as am at home and dont have a scanner.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 20 Nov 2010 22:42

sunny y · Post by **sunny y** » 20 Nov 2010 22:47

Sorry dude. Me cant do it as am at home and dont have a scanner.

Then please if possible take its picture & then upload it....
Time to use your camera phone for better things...

Thanks

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 20 Nov 2010 23:01

+1 to India today sales figure for this week.

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 20 Nov 2010 23:15

Yeah right - you think we can take the tension till Monday

We demand that you go to work sooner

Willy · Post by **Willy** » 20 Nov 2010 23:35

Well a little teaser

. It starts like this:

In a dramatic breakthrough in its nuclear offensive capability, India has successfully tested a submarine-launched ballistic missile(SLBM) with an eventual range of 3,500 km. Tested secretly off Visakhapatnam in January this year, the 10-m long and 1.3 m wide missile emerged from a pontoon submerged 50 m underwater and breached the surface.Painted black and white so that i can be distinguished in water, it has passed a critical parameter......

and so on and so forth...............................

In the works is an as yet unnamed longer-legged variant of the k-4 with a 5,000-km range. The 12 m long missile is meant to arm future nuclear submarines.

Vril · Post by **Vril** » 21 Nov 2010 00:09

Vril · Post by **Vril** » 21 Nov 2010 00:10

Vril · Post by **Vril** » 21 Nov 2010 00:11

sunny y · Post by **sunny y** » 21 Nov 2010 00:17

Vril Paaji Thank you very very much

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 21 Nov 2010 00:27

Vril,
Hajaar shukriaz! Jingo kush hua!

Hmm,
Sandeep Unnithan's / India Today's graphics artist has a serious case of Copy-amreekanitis!
He's copied the US Polaris A-3 sub-launched missile down to its color scheme and tried to pass it off as the K-4.

Indranil · Post by **Indranil** » 21 Nov 2010 00:29

Thank you Vril.

If this is true, it would mean a lot. But I am wondering why the government would let it come out of the wraps now?

Or will it change the name again

.

I am hoping the same level of speed in the UAV/UCAV. Imagine suddenly in Aero India '13 or '15 we see a jet powered long endurance UCAV.

Patrick Cusack · Post by **Patrick Cusack** » 21 Nov 2010 00:34

Is it possible to use the photo extrapolate the length of Arihant? This is the clearest picture yet.

Christopher Sidor · Post by **Christopher Sidor** » 21 Nov 2010 00:38

Loved the picture of Arihant. Fills me with pride and joy to see this beauty. Thanks a lot.

It is now time for India to concentrate on MIRV and increasing the tonnage of the warhead. With a 5K range missile successfully demonstrated, we might need some 7.5K range missiles only.

Developing a air-to-ground K-4/15 equivalent would be tough but still doable. Hopefully our experience with Brahmos would have given us some help.

Don't agree on Prithvi though. It will serve out against Pakistan and the Chinese forces in Tibet. What we will need are supersonic/hypersonic cruise missiles which are capable of preventing China from reinforcing its troops in Tibet and Xianjing.

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 21 Nov 2010 00:39

Virl thanks for posting the god news.

Vril · Post by **Vril** » 21 Nov 2010 00:42

Thank you sunny, gagan, indranil, vinod and christopher. happy to help.

is that really a pic of arihant?wow.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 21 Nov 2010 00:51

thanks a lot vril.

the sail is about 20 feet high, that's all I can say with some degree of confidence.

ramdas · Post by **ramdas** » 21 Nov 2010 01:06

The K-4 tests described in the article seem to be pop-up tests rather than full fledged tests involving the missile travelling a distance of 2000+ km. The latter type of tests cannot be secret: NOTAM has to be issued and so on....

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 21 Nov 2010 01:15

This picture is the same picture that was released by India Today a few months ago. India today had put a blue color (photoshopped) the background completely then.
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/1930 ... atoday.jpg

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 21 Nov 2010 01:21

There was a lot of ro-dho on BRFata when some agni-2s 'failed' to reach their range.

Now it seems those several agni and prithvi tests were tests of these missiles.

rakall · Post by **rakall** » 21 Nov 2010 02:57

Vril wrote:
India Today pciture

THANK YOU Vril

THANK YOU

THANK YOU

Couldnt have waited till Monday..

Patrick Cusack · Post by **Patrick Cusack** » 21 Nov 2010 04:11

More and more convinced it is desi in design, based on extrapolation it looks Los Angeles class.
Hope it is in the 10K range when submerged - That will be an awesome achievement for India. It will freak the living daylights out of the Chinese & Pak.

A Sharma · Post by **A Sharma** » 21 Nov 2010 04:25

Sorry if posted before

Building on heritage

Its involvement extended to India’s first indigenously built nuclear powered submarine, Arihant, for which it supplied the steam turbine integrated with the 85 MW pressurized water reactor on board.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 21 Nov 2010 17:56

thanks vril