Indian Army: News & Discussion

rkhanna · Post by **rkhanna** » 02 Dec 2010 05:16

^^^ BTw Wikileaks has one on Cold Start as well.. essentially how its completely unimplementable in the current Indian Army. They call it more of a fantasy.

Katare · Post by **Katare** » 02 Dec 2010 05:22

We are tying ourself in another self made rope of "Pakistan's nuclear redlines"........Why are they not worried about India's redlines or nuclear redlines. We exploded one In 74 since than they have manged to kill 10s of thousand Indian citizens without ever bothring about our nuclear or any other line.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 02 Dec 2010 05:31

Katare wrote:We are tying ourself in another self made rope of "Pakistan's nuclear redlines"........Why are they not worried about India's redlines or nuclear redlines. We exploded one In 74 since than they have manged to kill 10s of thousand Indian citizens without ever bothring about our nuclear or any other line.

Exactly. But then we have failed to articulate any red lines because GoI is afraid it might have to carry out a doctrine. This is what that oiseaule Stephen Cohen is talking about in "Arming without Aiming"

http://www.brookings.edu/press/Books/20 ... iming.aspx

And this is why we get frustrated with the US. We expect them to do something for us when they can let us live with it.

Rajput · Post by **Rajput** » 02 Dec 2010 10:44

Here's the original cable, if anyone's interested: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-emba ... nts/248971

Key take-away: It is more myth than reality.

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 02 Dec 2010 10:52

^ That's what american ambassador thinks and perception is not reality

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 02 Dec 2010 14:28

the TSPA game is to provoke and then quickly escalate beyond a manageable scenario and then let Unkil and Dragon intervene to prevent Indian action. The basic pattern hasn't changed since 1965, but the time horizons have shrunk. remember, TSPA doesn't want a decisive outcome, it wants a continuation of the tension so that it can retain itself at the helm. And that essentially is about economic control. Ultimately, separating the TSPA from its money will be its undoing, because it enjoys the protection (wittingly or unwittingly) of the bigger kids on the block.

Cold Start will and does worry them, but their response is to shorten the window to escalation (to nuclear) as soon as possible. This is crazy talk. And this is why unkil will dive in faster to stop the big yindo boy from smashing munnas face in

karan_mc · Post by **karan_mc** » 02 Dec 2010 15:10

DRDO working on Next Gen INSAS rifle for Indian Army

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 02 Dec 2010 19:02

Army confirms there is no Cold Start doctrine

India has no 'Cold Start' doctrine: Army chief

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There is nothing called 'Cold Start' (doctrine) in the Indian Army. We don't have anything called 'Cold Start'," he said while reacting to WikiLeaks documents in which US Ambassador Timothy Roemer analyses India's military approach towards Pakistan in the wake of 26/11 attacks.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 02 Dec 2010 19:05

^^^ love it. I've personally listened to one COAS at a public venue promoting its virtues and how he was operationalising it

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 02 Dec 2010 19:10

American pressure and lack of political support did a Hot Fix to "Cold Start Doctrine"

ParGha · Post by **ParGha** » 02 Dec 2010 19:16

Austin wrote:Army confirms there is no Cold Start doctrine

India has no 'Cold Start' doctrine: Army chief

The COAS had stated it many months back; sucks to have to reclarify it for the DDM repeatedly everytime something happens in the US or Pakistan. In fact our own Brig Ray had pretty much explained what needs to be done as part of the regular modernization and training cycles, and it had little to do with some of the outlandish political/military expectations of the CSD. So had a number of senior officers in other places. How hard is it to get a clue and move on?

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 03 Dec 2010 03:26

http://www.indianexpress.com/story-print/718872/

Omar writes to PM against Army’s ‘criticism, interference’
Muzamil Jaleel Posted online: Thu Dec 02 2010, 09:35 hrs

Srinagar : Jammu and Kashmir Chief Minister Omar Abdullah today wrote a letter to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, complaining against the Army’s public criticism of him and his government and consistent interference in policy issues related to the state.

“I don’t want to respond to this (statement) publicly. I have already written to the Prime Minister today and taken up the matter seriously,” Omar told The Indian Express.

Relations between the Army and the state Government have been sour ever since Omar raised his government’s pitch on the demand for withdrawal or an amendment to the Armed Forces Special Powers Act. The latest row was triggered by a statement issued and later withdrawn by Lt Col Pradeep Kochhar, Public Relations Officer of the Northern Command based at Udhampur.

In the statement, the Army has termed the decision to thin out security forces from urban areas as Omar Abdullah’s “political compulsion” and a reason for the recent encounter with militants in Srinagar city. The statement questions “the talk of removing AFSPA from Srinagar and asks as to “how will those in power justify to the people if there are a few more incidents like this?”.

Written in the form of a news story, the statement quotes “sources in the police and intelligence agencies who do not wish to be quoted” saying they “still maintain that it may have been imprudent to thin out security forces from the urban areas. But political compulsions had compelled Omar Abdullah to convince New Delhi.” The statement adds: “The clamour to remove bunkers and thin out the police/paramilitary presence from the urban areas had compelled the Omar Abdullah government to give in. While it may have pleased a few hardline separatists and their ISI handlers is Pakistan, what about the common man in the valley...Why were these terrorists trying to move inside Srinagar during mid-day, and that too fully armed?...Were they possibly on a strike mission emboldened by the thin presence of the police and para military? May be a serious incident was averted. But there is a clear writing on the wall — that reducing security is not the answer”. When contacted, Lt Col Kochhar told The Indian Express that the Army had withdrawn the statement. When asked about the CM’s letter to the PM, he said he would not like to comment.

The first cracks in the Army-state government relationship came when Omar called for moving a camp of the 22 Rashtriya Rifles from Bomai in the outskirts of Sopore after troops opened fire and killed two civilians Mohammad Amin Tantray and Javid Ahmad Dar on February 23, 2009.

Police registered a murder case against 22 Rashtria Rifles and after 32 days, the Army moved the camp to the premises of Agriculture College at Wadura..

On May 30, 2010, the police filed cases against Army officers alleging that they had lured three youths from Nadihal village who were then killed in a fake encounter at Machil along the Line of Control. A jawan of the Territorial Army unit and two army sources were also arrested. The Army held its own inquiry and subsequently sought the custody of the three arrested persons. The police, however, didn’t agree and instead filed a chargesheet against eight Army officials.

While the issue was still hot, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh was scheduled to visit Srinagar on June 7 to address the convocation of Sher-e-Kashmir University of Agricultural Sciences. Sources said the Army had raised security issues ahead of the visit and claimed to have picked up a conversation between a Pakistani militant commander from across the border and his accomplice in Srinagar suggesting a plan to attack the venue.

Sources said that the Army suggested a change in venue from SKICC on Dal banks to the Badami Bagh cantonment which was turned down because both the state government and the police opposed it. Police sources said the Army even gave a CD of the conversation that had prompted the security alarm and found that the man speaking to the militant commander across the LoC was a known security force mole.

Within days, the killing of a student in police firing triggered massive protests across the Valley that lasted for several months and pushed the NC-led coalition government into a major crisis. Trying to defuse that, the Chief Minister sought the withdrawal or dilution of the AFSPA.

Full marks for army general for speaking the truth. Zero for having to apologize for it!

wig · Post by **wig** » 03 Dec 2010 08:37

changes in the top echelons of the army

Lt-Gen Arvinder Singh Lamba will take over as the new Vice-Chief of the Army. Gen Lamba hails from Punjab and is from the artillery regiment of the Army.

Lamba, who headed the Shimla-based Army Training Command, will replace Lt-Gen PC Bharadwaj who retired from service on November 30, official sources said here today.

In another important move, Lt-Gen SK Singh, who was the Corps Commander of the Leh-based 14 Corps, will be the GoC-in-C of the Jaipur-based South Western Command. Lt-Gen Ravi Dastane will replace him at Leh. Lt-Gen KT Parnaik will be the new GoC-in-C of the Udhampur-based Northern Command from January 1. He will replace the present Northern Army Commander, Lt-Gen JS Jaswal, who retires on December 31.

Lt-Gen NC Marwaha, who was heading the Srinagar-based 15 Corps, will head the Andaman and Nicobar-based Tri-Services Command. Lt-Gen SA Hasnain will replace him.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2010/20101203/nation.htm#3

ASPuar · Post by **ASPuar** » 03 Dec 2010 08:48

Meanwhile, here's what the center thinks of Omar's 'letter', and I say good for them. For once, they've done the right thing.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/after ... ce/719353/

After Army apology to Omar, MoS Defence defends service

Even as the Army apologised to Jammu and Kashmir Chief Minister Omar Abdullah for critical remarks over the removal of bunkers, Minister of State for Defence M M Pallam Raju today defended the force saying it had the right to voice its opinion.

Raju said that as the force on the ground dealing with the situation first-hand, the Army was discussing the concerns regarding the visibility of armed forces in the region, which should be addressed in a "practical and pragmatic" manner.

"I think as a force on the ground which has to deal first-hand with the situation, the Army has the right to voice its opinion once in a while and it will also be taken note of," Raju said when asked if the Army was right in airing its objection.

Northern Command spokesman, while commenting on the removal of bunkers from certain areas of Srinagar, had said two days ago that Omar Abdullah had been "compelled to give in" and linked it to the encounter in Qamarwari in Srinagar.

The Command had later issued a revised press release but the damage had been done with Omar complaining to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.

Northern Army Commander Lt General B S Jaswal has since apologised to Abdullah for it.

Asked about Abdullah's letter to the Prime Minister about the Army's "interference" in the state, Raju said, "I think the Army has played a stabilising role there and whatever concerns they have about visibility of the armed forces in the region is being spoken about and discussed."

He expressed confidence that "this will be addressed in a very practical and pragmatic manner".

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 04 Dec 2010 01:29

Thumbs up to Pallam Raju for this one.

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 04 Dec 2010 02:56

Indian Army to train in high tech warfare – General AS Lamba

While at ARTRAC, General Lamba has articulated the new Indian Army Doctrine and has strongly advocated joint training exercises for the three forces for improving combat effectiveness.

ASPuar · Post by **ASPuar** » 04 Dec 2010 14:53

Latest Army Appointments From Whispers in the Corridor:
http://www.sureshmehrotra.com/index_home.html

1. Lieutenant General Syed Ata Hasnain, currently the highest ranking serving Muslim officer in the Indian Army, has been appointed as General Officer Commanding, of the XV Corps, in J&K. He was commissioned into the 4th Bn, The Garhwal Rifles after completing his BA (Hons) from St Stephens College, New Delhi. He is a post graduate in International Studies from Kings College, University of London, and had attended the Royal College of Defence Studies, London, as a Brigadier. Previously he was GOC of the Sudarshan Chakra Corps in Bhopal. He has a wide experience of operating in the Kashmir Region.

2. Lt Gen Marwaha goes to Andaman

Lt-Gen NC Marwaha, who was heading the Srinagar-based 15 Corps, will now head the Andaman and Nicobar-based Tri-Services Command. Lt-Gen SA Hasnain will replace him.

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 04 Dec 2010 15:08

^
Muslim General takes over Command of key 15 Corps
http://www.zeenews.com/news672362.html

Srinagar: A Muslim General has assumed Command of the Army's key 15 Corps which guards the Line of Control (LoC) in Kashmir Valley, a defence spokesman said here.

Lt Gen S A Hasnain, has taken over from Lt Gen Naresh Chandra Marwah as the GoC, and is the second Muslim officer to command the 15 corps after Lt Gen Zaki in 1989-91.

Lt Gen Hasnain is familiar with Kashmir as he has served tenures in the Valley before the present assignment.

He was Commander of the Uri Brigade when the devastating earthquake struck the areas close to the LoC in October 2005. He was also a Major General commanding the Baramulla's 'Dagger Division' in 2008 when Kashmir was engulfed by street protests during Amarnath land row.

Before taking over the charge of the 15 Corps, the Corps commander last evening called on Governor NN Vohra.

The Governor discussed infiltration of militants from the LoC with Lt Gen Hasnain and the effects these have on the internal security situation in the Valley.

Vohra also called for better synergy between uniformed forces for tackling any emerging security situation in the Valley.

ASPuar · Post by **ASPuar** » 05 Dec 2010 01:21

I think General Hasnain's career is interesting for all the things he has done, and not simply (as the media will do), for his religion, which is his personal affair. He is a very accomplished man, having excelled in academics, and military activity as well. For that matter there have been many other very senior/distinguished officers of that community (Lt Gen Sami Khan (army cdr), Lt Gen MA Zaki (Padma Shri and DGI), Maj Gen Afsir Karim, ACM IH Latif, etc etc), so that is not the remarkable thing. I think the caliber of his resume even as read out on Whispers speaks for itself.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 05 Dec 2010 01:52

there was also Lt Gen Zamiruddin Shah, who retired as a DCOAS. he is the actor naseeruddin shah's brother.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 05 Dec 2010 03:55

^Interesting info.

Besides tackling operational hurdles, the officer has also handled controversies in the Valley and is known to employ a firm hand against malpractices. As a Brigadier in 2004 when cross-border firing was at its peak, the officer was commanding the 12 Brigade that guards the Line of Control at Uri when he conducted a court martial a against a Major who was accused of rape and molestation in the infamous Handwara case. The officer, Major Rehman Hussain of the Rashtriya Rifles, was found guilty and was ordered to be dismissed from the Army.

http://indiaalert.blogspot.com/2010/10/ ... corps.html

shukla · Post by **shukla** » 05 Dec 2010 05:45

DRDO readies hybrid armour for tanks
Tribune India

The Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) has developed a specialised ‘hybrid’ armour that will make tanks safer in battle and somewhat immune to anti-tank missiles. The DRDO’s Pune-based High Energy Materials Research Laboratory (HEMRL) has worked on the new armour. Dr A Subanandha Rao, HEMRL Director, said the hybrid armour would take care of tandem warheads and also kinetic energy projectiles aimed at tanks in the battlefield. It would increase the survivability rate of tanks.

Tandem warheads and kinetic energy projectiles are much more dangerous than the anti-tank guided missiles (ATGMs) that are currently used. The kinetic energy projectiles have rod warhead with multiple sections, each enclosing a projectile and an explosive charge. These can prove to be lethal for the tank and its crew in a tank battle. Most modern-day tanks built by major tank makers in the US and Ukraine are now incorporating the hybrid armour. The tandem warheads also work on similar lines. The hybrid armour will drive back incoming tandem warheads and kinetic energy. It will work almost on the same pattern on which the HEMRL developed the explosive reactive armour (ERA) for the T-72 series of tanks.

The hybrid armours are likely to be used on the latest Russian-origin T-90 tanks and the indigenous Arjun tanks, Rao said, adding that the Army had been involved at every stage of testing and developing.

shukla · Post by **shukla** » 05 Dec 2010 12:20

'Robots, the future of the Army'
Times of India

The day is not very far when men will be replaced by robots in the army during a war, said A Sivathanu Pillai, chief controller, research and development, DRDO. Speaking at the inauguration of a three-day international conference on emerging trends in robotics and communication technologies organised by Sathyabama University on Friday, Pillai said, "The future warfield will be dominated by robots and not men. We are looking at a future where there could be more robots than people in an army. Applying robotic technology to space too is a new challenge and there are interesting possibilities in this area."

Sivathanu Pillai, who is also chief executive officer and managing director, BrahMos Aerospace, however, did not entertain any questions on the status of Brahmos 2, which he said would take at least five more years to be completed. Scientists at the Defence Research Development Organisation gave presentations on unmanned vehicles developed by the organisation to be used in the battlefield and for surveillance. Participants at the event, including students, also gave demonstrations of robots that could complete obstacle courses successfully, and pick and drop objects. Chancellor of Sathyabama University Jeppiar said that such conferences would give students practical knowledge of what they learn in the classroom.

shukla · Post by **shukla** » 05 Dec 2010 16:33

Army chief appeals to techies to join the forces
Times of India

Viv S · Post by **Viv S** » 05 Dec 2010 17:54

shukla wrote:Army chief appeals to techies to join the forces
Times of India

"The strength of the Indian Army still lies in its core values, which remain sacrosanct. Our soldiers fight for three things: Naam (integrity), namak (honour) and nishaan (fidelity) and we believe in high standard of morality."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't that be Naam (integrity), Namak (fidelity) and Nishaan (honour)? I think I need to start reading the Dainik Jagraan again.

asprinzl · Post by **asprinzl** » 05 Dec 2010 20:00

Lately, I have come to a realization that as we get more and more into high tech warfare, we are getting into our own trap of making it expensive for us to wage war . Just look at the American predicament in Iraq and Afghanistan. Daily one can hear the gripe that billions of dollar as cost of the war and what a drain on the economy it is. It is not costing the Taliban or Al Qaeda? By right a high tech military should be imposing highly impossible cost of war on the enemy but this is not happening. Perhaps, modern technology is making one lose track of the philosophies and maxims of waging war?
Avram.

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 05 Dec 2010 20:48

Perhaps, modern technology is making one lose track of the philosophies and maxims of waging war?

and modern societies.

Viv S · Post by **Viv S** » 05 Dec 2010 21:16

asprinzl wrote:Lately, I have come to a realization that as we get more and more into high tech warfare, we are getting into our own trap of making it expensive for us to wage war . Just look at the American predicament in Iraq and Afghanistan. Daily one can hear the gripe that billions of dollar as cost of the war and what a drain on the economy it is. It is not costing the Taliban or Al Qaeda? By right a high tech military should be imposing highly impossible cost of war on the enemy but this is not happening. Perhaps, modern technology is making one lose track of the philosophies and maxims of waging war?
Avram.

Iraq and Afghanistan were both cases of counter-insurgency. Unless the Indian Armed Forces intend to forgo conventional operations, abandoning the quest for better technology is dangerous. And talking about Iraq, people tend to forget what happened to Saddam Hussein's promise of 'Mother of all Battles' - he was thoroughly thumped the first time around, and dragged out of a hole in the ground, second time. The actual ground invasion of Iraq during the '91 Gulf was achieved within 20 days with about 200 NATO casualties against the fourth largest army at the time. The 2001 campaign despite having an invasion force only a fifth the size of the '91 war, overran Iraq in 22 days with just 170 casualties. When Pakistan and China abandon large conventional forces, we can start considering lowering our technology aims, but not before.

shukla · Post by **shukla** » 06 Dec 2010 16:47

Microsoft trains 160 jawans under PPP
Financial chronicle

Kshamta, meaning capability, is a 110-hour training program consisting of 30 hours of the Microsoft Digital Literacy Skills Programme and 80 hours of spoken English training. The Indian Army is over 1.1 million in strength, third largest in the world, out of which over 50,000 soldiers retire every year. Microsoft and the Indian Army signed an MoU on 8 December 2009 for Project Kshamta.

Irina Ghose, director, education, Microsoft India said: “Microsoft India is proud to be associated with Project Kshamta and helping our jawans develop the requisite skills to enhance career opportunities post retirement. After the successful completion of phase I we are encouraged to continue this initiative.”

The model proposed and approved by the Indian Army is designed to train more than 1,000 master trainers in India, across 48 army training units, who will in turn train and certify fellow jawans in their units.

Speaking on the occasion, a senior army officer, said, “We realise the need of developing the skills and enhancing the capabilities of our jawans beyond the battlefield.Project Kshamta helps us infuse confidence in them by facilitating trainings in IT skills as well as polishing their English speaking and soft skills.”

shukla · Post by **shukla** » 06 Dec 2010 16:49

Indian Army formulates requirements for FMBT

Brahmand

"Preliminary Staff Qualitative Requirement of Future Main Battle Tank has been formulated by the Army...It is likely to be developed by the year 2020," Defence Minister A K Antony told Lok Sabha in reply to a written query.

SriSri · Post by **SriSri** » 06 Dec 2010 17:39

7322 Indian Army Personnel Deployed on United Nations Peacekeeping Missions

ASPuar · Post by **ASPuar** » 06 Dec 2010 21:56

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/graft ... e/720653/0

Graft case against Command Hospital stores in-charge

The CBI Anti-Corruption Bureau (ACB), which had on Friday raided the Wanavdi Command Hospital, on Saturday filed a complaint against hospital Commandant Major General S S Panwar for obstructing search and seizure operations and another under the Prevention of Corruption Act, 1988, against hospital stores in-charge Lt Col Praful Mohan Sharma, for allegedly taking an air-conditioner as bribe from a medicine vendor.

Panwar and Sharma denied the allegations. “I am not aware of the complaint filed against me. Even otherwise it is a false charge,” said Sharma. “I have nothing to say in the matter. The case is with the command headquarters,” Panwar said.

Medical store vendor from Pimpri, Kannan Nambiar, had filed the complaint with CBI against Panwar and Sharma.

CBI-ACB superintendent of police Vidya Kulkarni said the commandant obstructed CBI officials during the operation. “First, our officials were not allowed to enter the premises and then, they did not allow us to take possession of the air-conditioner and move out,” she said.

Hullabaloo in Pune command hospital. CBI team apparently burst into the hospital claiming that they had come for checking, and were taking equipment away as evidence. A furious commandant threw them out. They have now filed a case against the comdt, an officer of the rank of Major General.

This case seems spurious. Even the Pune Police commissioner has said that some of the allegations made by the CBI team are false, as elucidated in the news item below. The hospital staff are claiming that the supplier was blackballed, so he was making false corruption complaints. Anyway sounds ridiculous that anyone would take an AC as a bribe and then install it in his office. As if noone would notice!

ASPuar · Post by **ASPuar** » 06 Dec 2010 21:58

http://news.in.msn.com/national/article ... id=4657937

CBI-ACB raids Command Hospital

By Express News Service, 04/12/2010

Not allowed to move out with seized air-conditioner, raiding team seeks reinforcements from city police

A team of the CBI, Anti-Corruption Bureau, Pune, which conducted searches at the Wanavdi Command Hospital on Friday morning, had to face stiff resistance, when hospital officials allegedly did not allow the CBI-ACB officials to move out with seizures it had made, forcing the raid team to seek police reinforcements.

The raid, following a corruption complaint by a medical store vendor, Kannan Nambiar, that he had given an AC as bribe to get his payment and the store officials were demanding more, were continuing till late into the night. The police reached the hospital around 10 pm, sources said.

Senior police, Army and CBI officials were holding a meeting late at night to discuss the issue. CBI officials said they would file an FIR against the Command Hospital for obstructing the team.

In the evening, Vidya Kulkarni, CBI-ACB superintendent, said, "We had certain inputs following which our team raided the Command Hospital this morning. We tried to seize an air-conditioner, the hospital officials refused to allow us to take possession of the AC. They obstructed our work...They snatched the panchanama papers from our officials and refused to allow our officials to come out. That is why we sought additional force from the city police."

Deputy Commissioner of Police (Zone IV) Sanjay Jadhav, said, "CBI-ACB Superintendent Vidya Kulkarni sought help from us. A police team was sent to the spot to help the CBI."

Police Commissioner Meeran Borwankar sent an SMS, "We provided assistance to CBI as requested by them." She, however, denied that CBI officials had been forcibly confined. "Not true," Borwankar said.

Major General S S Panwar, Commandant, Command Hospital, while denying any "CBI investigation" at the store, alleged "some vendors" banned from supplying medicines were making false allegations to malign the hospital. He said a few vendors had been banned for non-compliance and supply of wrong medicines. "We had given them due warning and had sought an explanation," said Major General Panwar.

According to Panwar, the requirement of medicines on an emergency basis can vary and "we can place an order of upto one lakh at a time."

The suppliers are approved by the office of the Director-General of Armed Forces Medical Services (DGAFMS). A present there are 70 vendors to provide medicine. "Some vendors who are not able to supply bulk orders in time, and according to the rate agreed upon, were banned," said Panwar. "We have also provided proof and other evidence to support our complaint," Major General Panwar added.

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 06 Dec 2010 22:05

^^^Those d*ck heads at CBI need to understand that one does not enter an Army institution (or any Services, for that matter of fact) and start searching it. They also need the permission of officers Commanding Officer - the Souther Command Hospital in this case - to even get near the concerned officer. There is a protocol that needs to be followed. Also, the CMP needs to be present on the occasion.

ASPuar · Post by **ASPuar** » 06 Dec 2010 22:29

Is this a statutory requirement? Where are the rules laid down? I ask out of curiosity...

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 06 Dec 2010 23:31

this deserves to be here.

X-post

krishnan wrote:
"Till the last hour of the last day they were asking me why. And I kept telling them that it was for his good it was because he could live a better life -- away from this one. I missed him terribly and I will in the future. But I cannot hold on to him just because he is the only son."

"People ask me if I am afraid of losing my only son. Of course, I am. Everyone dies. If he dies in war it will be for a good cause."
http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/s ... 101206.htm

Riza Zaman · Post by **Riza Zaman** » 06 Dec 2010 23:37

Raghavendra wrote:^
Muslim General takes over Command of key 15 Corps
http://www.zeenews.com/news672362.html

It's annoying to see the headlines being preempted by "Muslim" ... plenty of Muslims serve in the IA. If I recall correctly, Rajputana and Grenadiers have the highest %age of Muslims, followed by Guards and Para. TOI-let paper is creating a circus out of "Muslim General defends Kashmir". Retarded.

A more professional headline:
As General Ata Hasnain Moves to Kashmir
http://southasianidea.com/uncategorized ... o-kashmir/

ASPuar · Post by **ASPuar** » 06 Dec 2010 23:47

^^

My point exactly. The news doesnt focus on his his amazing career (10 years in Kashmir, UN work, accomplishments at Bn, Brigade, Division level, Royal College of Defence Studies) or his academic qualifications, or anything of any practical note. Instead, all they can say is "Muslim General to Guard LoC", as if he will be giving pehra over there. I guess DDM really does deserve its name.

Hiten · Post by **Hiten** » 07 Dec 2010 00:03

a hi-res pic of the General seated in the middle
http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/5730/t84fd.jpg

why can't the Armed Forces make available official photographs of its senior officers Lt. Gen & equivalent ranks & above, dressed in ceremonial uniform with the National flag in the background for use by interested people

People using poorly photographed pictures like this, does not do justice to either the person & definitely not to the position he has ascended to
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_QKkSf03VuFY/S ... to+cns.jpg

SriSri · Post by **SriSri** » 07 Dec 2010 08:20

Preparations for Indra 2011 As Russian Army Chief General Nikolai Makarov Visits India http://goo.gl/fb/HT0b1