Welcome Back Pakistan: Blast in Varanasi at ghat near temple

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 08 Dec 2010 03:00

can some kind soul supply a dozen rolls of duct-tape to these fellows ?

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 08 Dec 2010 03:02

How the f#@$ can you identify a "non-Hindu"? These VHP goons should be lined up and given a cold Ganga snaan when they say such nonsensical things.

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 08 Dec 2010 03:06

ramana wrote:Can we give rhona dhona a rest please?

I would like a few details.

Number of casualties. Even this is not clear.
When did the blast occur? Time and location.
How many IEDs were recovered and how were the spaced?
Details of IEDs for each group has a signature.
WHo exactly is claiming responsibility?

I see a number of conflicting news reports and total bakwas writing in the papers. Even Rediff Vicky Nanjappa is not clear about what exactly was found. Why use complex sentences when conveying simple information? One thought one sentence.

Number of casualties - 2 dead and 6 seriously injured.
When did the blast occur? Time and location. - 6:35 PM IST. Dashashwamedh Ghat,near Vishwanath Temple in Varanasi.
How many IEDs were recovered and how were the spaced? - Unconfirmed reports say one exploded and another has been defused.
Details of IEDs for each group has a signature. - 'Crude' is the word that was used by the police. I don't think Indian security agencies collect and store pieces of IEDs for later analysis.
WHo exactly is claiming responsibility? - Indian Mujahideen. But the low intensity blast and the crude build of the IED probably points to one of their 'rural' sleeper cells affiliates in UP.

Apart from cynicism that has bordered on sarcasm in this thread, we all know that GoI will never take steps to crush the head of this Python.So if folks in higher places that can reach babus are reading this thread,what realistic solutions do we have?

a) Security cameras. In this era of 'eye in the sky', it is hard to fathom what stops our government from installing hundreds of security cameras in sensitive cities.
b) Infiltration into these sleeper cells. - Nothing can match HUMINT. Unless we have a draconian strategy to reach the top echelons of these sleeper cells, they'll continue to operate unabated.
c) Ramanaji brought up a good point about IED 'signature'. We need a comprehensive database that collects the methods,materials and style of these bomb makers. Lets not forget, the key evidence in unraveling the Kanishka tragedy was through minute pieces of a Sanio transister.
d) Assign a permanent central police team with experts in explosive devices,and let them do the the initial combing operation. Local police are simply not trained to handle such situations and key evidences are lost in the pandemonium.

negi · Post by **negi** » 08 Dec 2010 03:06

Btw as per ToI one French lady by the name of 'Rachel' is amongst the injured.

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 08 Dec 2010 03:09

negi wrote:Bijushet

VHP demands ban on entry of non-Hindus into Kashi

Oh btw likes of VHP and even RSS should not be clubbed under the right wing for these pea brains are doing exactly what islamists want i.e. isolation of Hindus , if people from other faiths be barred from visiting Kashi then how is it different from HAJ ?

Sirjee it is a free country. VHP demands is not the same as VHP gets. A. Roy and Geelani demanded secession of J&K from India and are still roaming free so why the gripe if VHP asks for something. They will take the idea to the people. If the majority agree then we can pass a law otherwise it is the same as Shivji wanting to turn back the clock to the age of 25 and marrying Katrina Kaif. The last time I checked Hindus were an isolated bunch with neither the UPA govt nor the US state dept (who otherwise care for Human rights of all others) giving a flying buck about Hindus. Haj is off-limits only because KSA has a lot of precious black gold resources. Once it runs out rest assured we all will get to take touristy pictures next to the big rock.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 08 Dec 2010 03:11

>> Details of IEDs for each group has a signature. - 'Crude' is the word that was used by the police. I don't think Indian security agencies collect and store pieces of IEDs for later analysis.

NSG does.

munna · Post by **munna** » 08 Dec 2010 03:16

Togadia is a marginalized figure within parivar who has had a very public falling out with Modi in Gujarat. Giving him so much airtime actually represents the kind of mindset prevalent in our Radia-Media. The Indian uppity middle class will not be outraged by a highly derogatory letter to the majority community accompanied by a bomb blast in the holiest city of the religion.
But it has enough time to find a rootless wannabe and highlight his idiotic comments filled with pointless bluster as the next worst thing to Stalin. Fine if that is the consensus but I vehemently register my protest against these scripted detours to help the government escape its responsibility. These statements are nothing more than a convenient ruse for the GOI. Period.

I repeat my question any elected/mass Hindu leader who has been irresponsible? (Or now we consider Togadia a mass leader)

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 08 Dec 2010 03:17

ramana wrote:Can we give rhona dhona a rest please?

I would like a few details.

Number of casualties. Even this is not clear.
When did the blast occur? Time and location.
How many IEDs were recovered and how were the spaced?
Details of IEDs for each group has a signature.
WHo exactly is claiming responsibility?

I see a number of conflicting news reports and total bakwas writing in the papers.....

Press reports say:

1 Toddler killed.
20-35 people injured.
Some injured in the ensuing wall collapse and stampede. hence the range in the people injured.
~7 foreigners injured.
Time between 6:20 pm to 6:35pm per different sources. Must be watch synchronization problem.

Guardian writes:

The device appeared to have been hidden inside a milk pail on one of many stone staircases leading to the Ganges river, the site of daily spiritual rituals, according to police official Brij Lal.

and

The force of the explosion ripped away a metal railing and damaged stones up to 200 feet away, said Ramatama Srivastava, a witness.

So it was quite powerful to have done that. This gives an idea of explosive used. Most likely its high explosive. Whether RDX we dont yet know, till we hear about melting glazed surfaces.

LINK

SamaY Reports :

LINK

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"According to the information that we have, it was a low intensity blast which occured around 6.20 PM," Home Secretary G K Pillai said in New Delhi. But Secretary(Internal Security) U K Bansal said the explosion was a "medium intensity" blast.

The blast took place when thousands of devotees and the foreign tourists had assembled at the ghat for having darshan of the Ganga Arti, police sources said.

Some people suffered injuries due to the blast while some were hurt during the stampede which occurred due to the collapse of the railing.

Official sources in New Delhi said that an Improvised Explosive Device(IED) was recovered from a dustbin at the site of the blast.
....

So there is confusion on the size and intensity of the blast.

Looks like its a standard operation tactic to package stuff in inocuous containers to avoid detection. In Hyderabad they used pressure cookers to create shrapnel and avoid detection. Same purpose of the metal milk container this time. We havent heard about how it was set-off: Time fuze, cell phone or agarbhatti.

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 08 Dec 2010 03:20

ramana wrote:
So there is confusion on the size and intensity of the blast.

Looks like its a standard operation tactic to package stuff in inocuous containers to avoid detection. In Hyderabad they used pressure cookers to create shrapnel and avoid detection. Same purpose of the metal milk container this time. We havent heard about how it was set-off: Time fuze, cell phone or agarbhatti.

They used pressure cookers in the Mumbai train blasts too.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 08 Dec 2010 03:21

I think certain religious institutions not belonging to Hindus, in UP, have restrictions on non-members of their faith entering the territory of that institution. But most of these places of congregation typically also have outer walls and courtyards that are uncannily constructed like defensive formations.

If the VHP is saying that in UP, they are probably speaking out of that "local" experience. However, it cannot be a feasible way. Keeping out is never possible simply by building walls and exclusion zones. For a long long period in its republican phase Rome city did not build walls around itself. Instead, armies and armed contingents were banned from entering the city while in service. They could ensure sufficient control over the surrounding populations to ensure that nothing unpleasant happened "inside". They actually proudly proclaimed that Rome did not need walls - its walls were its "imperium", not anything to do with kingship but authority.

But to ensure that degree of control, they had to crush all centres of resistance to their authority. Typically many of these crushings had taken place by clearing whole towns and regions of people, killing even dogs and cats of the city, and on some occasions sowing salt into the ground so that nothing grew.

If VHP really wants to ensure that degree of safety for Varanasi, it has to ensure Roman-control over the neighbourhood. Maybe it is better to let them shout and not have such ideas as alternative?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 08 Dec 2010 03:24

Ambar, Next time they will use some other container. It has to be metal to give shrapnel. Has to have a lid to avoid curious gaze. And has to be common to not arouse suspicion.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 08 Dec 2010 03:25

BTW, guys keep your cool and don't get banned*! It applies to all sides of the divide.

* One unintended consequence of every TSP terror attack is some one gets banned here!

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 08 Dec 2010 03:43

Ambar wrote:They used pressure cookers in the Mumbai train blasts too.

The 2006 Varanasi blasts also involved pressure cookers and timers.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 08 Dec 2010 03:45

Infiltration is a tricky business. It is unimaginable that it has not been attempted. The Brits infiltrated both community origin "resistance" groups. There are some well known cases of doing it even with the "minority" community. That is the reason, it appears a joke that the British secret services could not anticipate, together with the one and only intimately connected to the masses - party - Congress, that the ML was planning Direct Rape and Massacre Action at the Partition.

If it is claimed that infiltration has been attempted but failed - then it implies that the ideological commitment and community support is so strong that nothing can be done. This of course cannot be acknowledged openly, because that shows a certain faith in bad light. So this argument goes out of the window.

If it is claimed that infiltration has been successful, then the question comes up as to why no actionable intelligence was delivered. Then it means either that those who infiltrated got "converted" and now act as doubles misleading authorities, or that whatever intelligence they supplied could not be acted upon because that would have affected and exposed a level of support among the community which cannot be allowed politically.

So in that sense no infiltration will be useful. I think there is no alternative to independent intelligence gathering and penetration of communities by locals. Probably also territorial homogeneity has to be looked into. I am sure locals can manage it so that people get tracked and info passed on miles and days before as to movements of people in and out. Do not rely on the local security or distant omniscient security systems. Whether such official setups has moles who warn off potential suspects can easily be found by suitably and slightly modifying the info "leaked" to "official" protectors. But an independent local and community based information gathering system that also keeps the official setup in its suspect list could be a way forward.

When terror attacks and blasts continue to happen, and everyone from the unlikeliest source can be officially suspected - why should the "watchers" be out of suspicion list!

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 08 Dec 2010 03:51

In case of failed infiltration, lets Hope the few places and people are bugged .

Mauli · Post by **Mauli** » 08 Dec 2010 04:22

VHP demands ban on entry of non-Hindus into Kashi

should it not be posted in media psy-ops thread?

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 08 Dec 2010 05:03

India continues to take the hits, because:
a.1) One day Porkistan and Porklets will eventually get tired and give up, or
a.2) One day Porkistan will implode, and Porklets will fade away, and
b) Bald Eagle will not allow India to hit Porkistan, and
c) Does not want to escalate, because it gets in the way of "economic" growth.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 08 Dec 2010 05:09

^ Any of those reasons would have been a fair game.

GOI doesn't act because it thinks and believes that it would undermine its vote bank. It is an insult on all Indians.

Here I am talking about this Indian Mujahideen nonsense. There is no excuse to turn some screws tight to get internal security situation right.

It is a shame that TSP/ISI can go conduct a terror attack anywhere in India with impunity.

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 08 Dec 2010 05:49

The e-mail taking responsibility for the blast was sent from Malad in Mumbai. Security agencies traced the Internet Protocol address of the five-page e-mail signed by 'Al-Arbi' to Malad in the suburbs of Mumbai. Police teams have been sent to the area to find out the details. Intelligence Bureau sources told CNN-IBN that the e-mail was prepared on Monday.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 08 Dec 2010 05:57

SwamyG wrote:India continues to take the hits, because:
a.1) One day Porkistan and Porklets will eventually get tired and give up, or

Not really. TSP is loath to give up LeT is precisely because its is paying them dividends. Do you hear any Indian in power, except BJP hot air, mention anymore that Kashmir is atoot ang? Do you see the fear and respect with which Isalmo fasicts like Mirwaiz are feted in India. Aside from the visa denial, even a terrorist nemesis like Mush was being embraced by many in India. Finally, if reports are to be believed, there are many among Indian elite who want to invite and embrace terrorist'n'chief Kiyani & Paasha in a grand gesture of "peace". Do you think if TSP has given up, India would be climbing down like this?

a.2) One day Porkistan will implode, and Porklets will fade away, and

Wishful thinking. Not as long as the TSP's 3.5 see a use for it: India containment.

b) Bald Eagle will not allow India to hit Porkistan, and

Yes, but neithe has India shown any intention of doing so.

c) Does not want to escalate, because it gets in the way of "economic" growth.

Yes. Not a bad strategy, in fact a sound strategy, if India at least embarked on other retaliatory measures instead of the climb down listed above.

arjunm · Post by **arjunm** » 08 Dec 2010 07:20

Just to see the frequency of these torturous attacks, is there any other similar Country in the world where their free Citizens have such patience to accept Government's failure in the name of maintaining peace and communal harmony and wait for the next attack on their loved ones.

AFTER 12/07/2010 VARNASI BLAST- A 18 months old baby died and 40 injured.

FEB 14,2010, Pune Bomb blast 9 killed 40 injured, young brother & sister of a Bengali family studying in Pune were both victim of that fateful attack.

~29 October 2005 - 29 October 2005 Delhi bombings, India. Over 60 killed and over 180 injured in a series of three attacks in crowded markets and a bus, just 2 days before the Diwali festival. ~

7 March 2006 - 2006 Varanasi bombings, India. An attack attributed to Lashkar-e-Taiba by Uttar Pradesh government officials, over 28 killed and over 100 injured, in a series of attacks in the Sankath Mochan Hanuman temple and Cantonment Railway Station in the Hindu holy city of Varanasi.

Uttar Pradesh government officials. ~11 July 2006. Mumbai, India. 11 July 2006 Mumbai train bombings were a series of seven bomb blasts that took place over a period of 11 minutes on the Suburban Railway in Mumbai (formerly known as Bombay). 209 people lost their lives and over 700 were injured in the attacks. ~

26 July 2008. Ahmedabad, India. Islamic militants detonate at least 16 explosive devices in the heart of this industrial capital, leaving at least 49 dead and 160 injured. A Muslim group calling itself the Indian Mujahideen claims responsibility. Indian authorities believe that extremists with ties to Pakistan and/or Bangladesh are likely responsible and are intent on inciting communal violence.
Investigation by Indian police led to the eventual arrest of a number of militants suspected of carrying out the blasts, most of whom belong to a well-known terrorist group, The Students Islamic Movement of India.

~13 September 2008. Delhi, India. Pakistani extremist groups plant bombs at several places including India Gate, out of which the ones at Karol Bagh, Connaught Place and Greater Kailash explode leaving around 30 people dead, followed by another attack two weeks later at the congested Mehrauli area, leaving 2 people dead. ~

26 November 2008. Mumbai, India. Muslim extremists kill at least 174 people and wound numerous others in a series of coordinated attacks on India's largest city and financial capital. The Islamic militants based in Pakistan are responsible. Ajmal Kasab,a lone Pakistani, was caught alive.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 08 Dec 2010 07:21

OK,
Will the BRFites list 5 things that they want GoI to do like now?

Please go ahead, I am sure there are a lot of important people reading this page.

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 08 Dec 2010 07:22

ravi_ku wrote:Good, more toilet papers, err dossiers to Pakistan, at Indian tax payer's cost.

er...do you mean more paper dosas to papistan...

arjunm · Post by **arjunm** » 08 Dec 2010 07:34

Gagan wrote:OK,
Will the BRFites list 5 things that they want GoI to do like now?

Please go ahead, I am sure there are a lot of important people reading this page.

1) Identify and detect all the illegal Bangladeshi and Pakistani Muslims and deport them.

2)Stop all the cross-border Samjotha Express & other Terrorist transportation from Pakistan & Bangladesh.

3) Stop Issuing travel Visas from these two countries only few exceptional case by case basis.

4)Stop issuing Visa to those Congress Men and senators from US/UK those who try to influence for a continued dialogue with Paksitan.

5)Identify the local terror network cells/sleeper cells and arrested them and sealed their office and issue a warning TO Saudis if they get caught in any terror fund trail.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 08 Dec 2010 07:35

Gagan wrote:OK,
Will the BRFites list 5 things that they want GoI to do like now?

Please go ahead, I am sure there are a lot of important people reading this page.

1) State up front that the idea that Muslims cannot live among Hindus was the same idea that created Pakistan
2) It is the same idea that is being used by terrorist groups like the Let and HUJI with state support from Pakistan
3) It is the same idea that is being spouted by the so called "Indian mujahideen"
4) Terrorism by Islamic groups in India is directly linked to the idea that created Pakistan
5) Support to Pakistan from the USA and other nations is directly against Indian interests and directly contribute to terrorism in India.

negi · Post by **negi** » 08 Dec 2010 07:37

munna wrote:Togadia is a marginalized figure within parivar who has had a very public falling out with Modi in Gujarat. Giving him so much airtime actually represents the kind of mindset prevalent in our Radia-Media.

True and it is because of the highlighted part above that people like him should think twice before they open their mouths simply because 'a' they have appointed themselves as representative of Hindus 'b' They are always on pseudo secular Radar as they make more noise on petty issues and in process only help the pseudo secular cause i.e. pulling down the community to do an equal equal to maintain status quo as far as political power distribution is concerned.

The Indian uppity middle class will not be outraged by a highly derogatory letter to the majority community accompanied by a bomb blast in the holiest city of the religion.

Well Munna ji this is not about Majority community vs Minority community in fact that is what the people who engineered the blast wanted to do. A bomb has gone off in one of our cities and it happens to be a place of worship of Hindus , we have received a mail from Indian Mujaheddin (essentially L.e.T subsidiary) I don't see any reason for Togadia to draw parallels with HAJ and demand something which to me is against the Hinduism which I know.

Fine if that is the consensus but I vehemently register my protest against these scripted detours to help the government escape its responsibility. These statements are nothing more than a convenient ruse for the GOI. Period.

Togadia's antics should not even have any bearing on GoI's actions/responsibilities former is being criticized for his ill timed and loose remark which badly reflects on the Hindus no not because the latter consider Togadia to be their representative but simply because the perception about Hindus in rest of the world is formed by VHP,RSS and other entities of sangh parivar and all this despite majority of the Hindus being completely oblivious to these loonies and their antics.

I repeat my question any elected/mass Hindu leader who has been irresponsible? (Or now we consider Togadia a mass leader)

Unfortunately Togadia and other big wigs from the sangh parivar are representative of Hindus by 'induction' and that is why these worthies need to think twice before they speak.

We here are very vocal and upfront when it comes to criticizing psecs for their utterances that undermine the interests of our country there is no reason for Togadia to be made an exception.

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 08 Dec 2010 08:04

Similar crowd at Har Ki Pauri in Haridwar where aarti is held every evening. Places like this need to have HD video coverage 24/7. Unfortunately, that is the age we live in. But we can't protect every place in India where people gather. What is needed is the coup de grace to take off the snake's head and I have to believe that GoI and the armed forces are working towards that with full determination. My gut tells me that we are very close but if this is not the case, then I really don't see how India can continue as a cohesive country for much longer.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 08 Dec 2010 08:48

arjunm wrote: 1) Identify and detect all the illegal Bangladeshi and Pakistani Muslims and deport them.

2)Stop all the cross-border Samjotha Express & other Terrorist transportation from Pakistan & Bangladesh.

3) Stop Issuing travel Visas from these two countries only few exceptional case by case basis.

4)Stop issuing Visa to those Congress Men and senators from US/UK those who try to influence for a continued dialogue with Paksitan.

5)Identify the local terror network cells/sleeper cells and arrested them and sealed their office and issue a warning TO Saudis if they get caught in any terror fund trail.

Sir,
NONE of these is implementable in the real world. At least not to the extent that you want.

#5 has already been done or is being done to the best of the Police's abilities! Yet ISI funded and directed terror with Pakistani handlers and key liason men and a few Indian supporters continues.

What do you want to say to an Indian Muslim father who's daughter is married to a Pakistani man from Karachi or vice versa - that they can't travel and meet family because a group of SOBs exploded a bomb in Varanasi?

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 08 Dec 2010 08:55

shiv wrote:1) State up front that the idea that Muslims cannot live among Hindus was the same idea that created Pakistan
2) It is the same idea that is being used by terrorist groups like the Let and HUJI with state support from Pakistan
3) It is the same idea that is being spouted by the so called "Indian mujahideen"
4) Terrorism by Islamic groups in India is directly linked to the idea that created Pakistan
5) Support to Pakistan from the USA and other nations is directly against Indian interests and directly contribute to terrorism in India.

Saar,
You are toying with me.

arjunm · Post by **arjunm** » 08 Dec 2010 09:08

Gagan wrote:
arjunm wrote: 1) Identify and detect all the illegal Bangladeshi and Pakistani Muslims and deport them.

2)Stop all the cross-border Samjotha Express & other Terrorist transportation from Pakistan & Bangladesh.

3) Stop Issuing travel Visas from these two countries only few exceptional case by case basis.

4)Stop issuing Visa to those Congress Men and senators from US/UK those who try to influence for a continued dialogue with Paksitan.

5)Identify the local terror network cells/sleeper cells and arrested them and sealed their office and issue a warning TO Saudis if they get caught in any terror fund trail.
Sir,
NONE of these is implementable in the real world. At least not to the extent that you want.

#5 has already been done or is being done to the best of the Police's abilities! Yet ISI funded and directed terror with Pakistani handlers and key liason men and a few Indian supporters continues.

What do you want to say to an Indian Muslim father who's daughter is married to a Pakistani man from Karachi or vice versa - that they can't travel and meet family because a group of SOBs exploded a bomb in Varanasi?

That is why I said Case by case basis. If GOI can start restricting the Sikh asylees(mostly economic asylee) to bar them to travel to India even for religious reason, like to visit Golden Temple, why not imposing more vigilance for those countries in issuing visas to curtail prospective terror threats.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 08 Dec 2010 09:16

My suggestion:
1. Actively subvert the Fauji Foundation - economically, militarily.
2. The only way to respond effectively to low intensity war is low intensity war. Overt war is NOT desirable at this stage because we don't want to disturb our economic march, and unkil does not want to be disturbed when he is molesting the goat. ( I only say overt war is not 'desirable', doesn't mean not doable at all - it might come to that)
3. Make a diwali pathaka go off under the mushraff of kiya-pasha, see how they like it.
4. Wish IED mubarak to the afsars of eye ass eye.
5. Balochistan, Sindhudesh, Pakhtoonistan.
6. Maintain communal harmony within India at ALL costs.
7. Let the police / NIA go after the bad guys within India. The fools who did this and are still in India, Nepal, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka are toast.
8. Squeeze Pakistani gobernment economically via the europeans, and the americans, but make sure their defense spending stays on high levels. Since we are not going into an overt war with them, serves them well to keep spending on bums and planes they won't get to use. On last count the two or three dozen odd Eff solahs - a laughable number, was never ever even in contention with the IAF, their navy never ever mattered, their army which didn't exactly bring them battle field glory all these years won't do much without the support of the air force. Why not let them spend themselves to kingdom come?
9. There are weak spots that the rich Jernails and civilian feudals have. Press them on those - I mean squeeze their balls.

Please shoot these down or add your own.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 08 Dec 2010 09:50

CRamS: So what do you think India is doing? And why is it doing that?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 08 Dec 2010 09:55

Instead of questioning each other how about gathering some info?

Two people questioned about the blast

A father-son duo were picked up for questioning here in connection with the email sent by banned terror group Indian Mujahideen to several media houses claiming responsibility for the Varanasi blast.

The terror mail traced to a residential complex in Navi Mumabi had claimed responsibility for Tesday’s blast at a crowded bathing ghat in Varanasi that left a child dead and 37 others injured.

The five-page e-mail sent by the Indian Mujahideen has been sent using an unsecured WiFi of Airtel Broadband of the two, official sources said.

The two were questioned and later released, they said.

Mumbai Police Commissioner Sanjeev Dayal told PTI that the e-mail has been traced to Navi Mumbai and the police of that area and Mumbai Police were coordinating to trace the culprits.

Terrorists of Indian Mujahideen have been using unsecured WiFi connections for sending mails to media houses within minutes of blasts taking place.

Moral of story secure your wifi networks.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 08 Dec 2010 10:04

shiv wrote:5) Support to Pakistan from the USA and other nations is directly against Indian interests and directly contribute to terrorism in India.

India has not publicly called out these countries. No Indian leader has openly said "Pakistan is an enemy state, because of its covert war against India." Because if did, the onus would be on the government to act or react. No Indian leader has openly said "Pakistan exists because of the support of America, China & Saudi Arabia. So India demands the support to cease." Again, this would force India to act or react against these countries. Does India believe it is not its interest to take passive yet hostile stance against these countries? China and America are the big daddy and mommy of the 21st century.

India must have, I assume, used diplomatic channels to convey these information to all these countries. The countries, probably, smile it off or shrug it off. I assume the Indian leaders are fighting hard and a tiring battle behind the scenes with their arms, mouth, legs, ears and eyes taped tight. Unless proven otherwise, I wish to give them the benefit of doubt. But what puzzles me is their public or official stance. Do they think this battle can be waged only away from the public's eyes? America and Pakistan rally their citizens to their advantage - like a home ground advantage. Why are the Indian leaders not trusting and seeking the Indian citizens support? Are they resigned to the fact that India's economy is dependent on American economy and hence feel helpless?

I sense India is walking on a sword's edge and trying to juggle thousand sharp daggers.

Sudip · Post by **Sudip** » 08 Dec 2010 10:11

Gagan wrote:My suggestion:
1. Actively subvert the Fauji Foundation - economically, militarily.
8. Squeeze Pakistani gobernment economically via the europeans, and the americans, but make sure their defense spending stays on high levels. Since we are not going into an overt war with them, serves them well to keep spending on bums and planes they won't get to use. On last count the two or three dozen odd Eff solahs - a laughable number, was never ever even in contention with the IAF, their navy never ever mattered, their army which didn't exactly bring them battle field glory all these years won't do much without the support of the air force. Why not let them spend themselves to kingdom come?
9. There are weak spots that the rich Jernails and civilian feudals have. Press them on those - I mean squeeze their balls.

Please shoot these down or add your own.

What makes you think paikhastan is behind this? Few weeks back there were clues found about radicalisation in kerala minorities. why not them?

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 08 Dec 2010 10:14

The VHP and the Hindu right-wingers have once again started making illogical demands

. As people have already pointed out, these demands are illogical and impractical and only proves the point that this is all the VHP and Hindu right wingers can do (any bad thing happens, these organisations come up with ridiculous demands and hate mongering). The Government of the day can diflect the pressure on them with an even happier media who would lose no oppurtunity in highlighting the right wingers demand. Some times I feel that all this is well choreographed and every political leader now knows his part and what ready-made dialogues they need to speak

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Prem · Post by **Prem** » 08 Dec 2010 10:23

Unless we grow bigger or equal to 3.00 previlaged Poaknizers , all of our anger means not much. Enemy does what enemy do so its natural for Poaks to exploit every oppertunity and weakness. Keep eyes on the growth target but also use every oppertunity to castrate them economically and militarily. When we can back our threat to Poaks and Poaklovers , onlee then it make sense to go overt. There is no guaranatee that in near future no crazy Yindoo will take the helms and Indian wont revive the ritual of Poakmegh yagya. Halal in good time, no rush.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 08 Dec 2010 10:24

Guys,

Why bring the VHP in this thread.

Why are we scoring own gaols by discussing the demands and saying that they are unimplimentable. I request all of you not to do so. The time for that will come but now is not the time. This is an attempt to divert attention by the Media nothing more. Please dont fall for it.

negi · Post by **negi** » 08 Dec 2010 10:27

INDIAN MUJAHIDEEN: ACTIVE, BUT WEAKER B. Raman

The Indian Mujahideen is active, but weaker and its remnants, which have so far escaped detection and arrest by the police, have probably a reduced capability. That is the conclusion possible on the basis of the details available so far regarding the explosion in Varanasi, the Hindu holy city, on the evening ( shortly after 6 PM) of December 7,2010. The explosion itself caused the death of one child and injured five adults. About 20 others were injured in a stampede that followed. At least one foreign tourist was among the injured.

2. It has been reported that the improvised explosive device (IED) used in the incident was kept inside a container used for carrying milk. The terrorists wanted to register their presence and continued determination to keep launching terrorist attacks, but did not aim at large or mass casualties. If they had intended to organize a large or mass casualty attack they would have mixed the explosive material with projectiles such as nails, ball bearings etc and used a smaller container in which they would have tightly packed the explosive material and the projectiles. They had apparently not done so. Another improvised explosive device of low intensity was reportedly found in a nearby dustbin.

3. The IED, which exploded, had been planted at a place where about 5,000 Hindu devotees and tourists---Indian and foreign--- gather every evening to watch a well-choreographed religious function called “aarti” on the banks of the Ganges near the famous Kasi Vishwanath temple. The explosion took place on a Tuesday, which is an important day for the devotees of the Hindu God Hanuman. The two explosions of March 7,2006---one in a Hanuman temple and the other in the waiting room of a local railway station---also took place on a Tuesday. Those two of 2006 were intended to be large casualty attacks and resulted in the deaths of 28 persons. No foreign tourists were affected.

niran · Post by **niran** » 08 Dec 2010 10:57

Mauli wrote:Video

http://ibnlive.in.com/videos/136714/bla ... jured.html

So, my home town is again in blood.

OT alert
you a Banarsi?