Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2010

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 11 Dec 2010 17:35

Prem wrote:Pakisatan's favorite Viceroy Holbrooke Taken to the Hospital
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010 ... -hospital/

He tried GUBO on Kiyani as Kiyani had constipation. Not good on HoleBroke's heart!

arun · Post by **arun** » 11 Dec 2010 20:30

X Posted from the ISI History & Discussions thread.

Amrullah Saleh, the former head of Afghanistan's National Directorate of Security (NSD), clearly recognises the malign role of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan via its intelligence agencies in supporting the Islamic Terrorism being perpetrated by the Afghan Taliban in Afghanistan.

His comments before an audience at the Jamestown Foundation:

He questioned those skeptical of the Taliban's strength. "Will they be able to threaten our key and national interest by possessing AK-47s? Remember, when they helped Al Qaeda do 9/11, they had the same weapons." His solution? "DDR" the Taliban. "Demobilize them, disarm them, take their headquarters out of the Pakistani Intelligence basements... Push the Taliban to play according to the script of democracy—and if they win...allow them a chance to govern." He's confident, though, that "they will die in democracy, they will die in a country where law is ruling, not guns, not IEDs, not the spread of fear and intimidation."

Saleh also has a pretty good idea of where to change the narrative of the war: Pakistan. Since 9/11, he says, Pakistan has provided only "retail" and not "wholesale" cooperation. Time after time, the United States has been duped into trusting the country and its intelligence services. Saleh even claimed that Pakistani officials have privately admitted to him that their country has yet to change its ways despite their frequent promises to do so. "Now the United States believes that by giving more money and resources to Pakistan, you can convert their behavior from bad to good…but it is rewarding bad behavior which [continues] that bad behavior."

Read it all in an article by Siddhartha Mahanta in Mother Jones:

Afghanistan's Ex-Spymaster Rips Karzai's Signature Policy

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 11 Dec 2010 21:07

Pervez Musharraf is Benazir Bhutto's killer: PPP http://www.zeenews.com/news673886.html

Lahore: Ruling Pakistan People's Party general secretary Jahangir Badar on Saturday alleged that former President Pervez Musharraf was the "killer" of former premier and party chairperson Benazir Bhutto.

Badar made the remarks while talking to reporters on the sidelines of an exhibition of photographs of Bhutto, who was killed in a gun-and-bomb attack in Rawalpindi in December 2007.

PPP spokesperson Fauzia Wahab was also present at the event. Replying to a question, Badar said many people were arrested in the course of the investigation into Bhutto's murder and "many more would be arrested soon."

Wahab said Bhutto's assassination was "not a routine murder" as it was a conspiracy.

Bhutto's killers would be arrested soon, she said.

Musharraf, who has been living in self-exile in Britain since last year, has said he was not in any way responsible for Bhutto's death.

arun · Post by **arun** » 11 Dec 2010 21:36

X Posted from the Pakistani Role in Global Terrorism thread.

The US National Intelligence Estimates, prepared by their Director of National Intelligence says :

……………… the war cannot be won unless Pakistan is willing to obliterate terrorist safe havens in its lawless tribal areas bordering Afghanistan.

The new report on Pakistan concludes that the Pakistani government and military "are not willing to do that," says one U.S. official briefed on the analysis.

The document says Pakistan's government pays lip service to cooperating with U.S. efforts against the militants, and still secretly backs the Taliban as a way of hedging its bets in order to influence Afghanistan after a U.S. departure from the region. …………………

Read it all:

Bleak Afghan and Pakistan intelligence reviews

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 11 Dec 2010 23:29

This is too much...The Nation is still in the reverse gear

India's true face

The whistleblower website WikiLeaks, which has ruffled many a feather for exposing the inner feelings of important personalities on the world’s political stage, has put its seal of confirmation on the genocide of the people of Pakistan Occupied Kashmir, struggling to get out of the stranglehold of Pakistan’s illegal occupation of their homeland.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 12 Dec 2010 00:22

RajeshA wrote:
Prem wrote:Pakisatan's favorite Viceroy Holbrooke Taken to the Hospital
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010 ... -hospital/
He tried GUBO on Kiyani as Kiyani had constipation. Not good on HoleBroke's heart!

The NYT's latest report says he is in critical condition. No matter how bad he is for India, lets wish the poor guy well at a personal level.

Looked at it from a purely "Amercian exceptionalism" POV, i.e., American interests reign supreme and others' like SDRE's are subordinate, the most noxious manifestation of such an obsession being that taking on puny Al Queda is of such a higher calling that anybody who professes to take them on like TSP, is morally justified in using terror as an instrument of state policy against India; operating through such perverted paradigms, nobody can disagree that Holbrooke's diplomatic career has been outstanding, the high point being his bludgeoning the Serbs into submission while their cousins, the mighty Russian just stoody by and watched.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 12 Dec 2010 00:59

Something is fishy.

Regarding BB's murder, there should be a flurry of cables reporting back that the ISI and the military top brass was conspiring to finish her off. And this decision was informed to the other generals at the Army core commanders confrenece that was held immediately prior to her meeting the sun roof lever. Post BB meeting her 72, there should be cables telling the people back in DC that the fauj donnit.

Now where are these hain ji?

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 12 Dec 2010 01:01

Holborke has got an Aortic Dissection. This is seriously seriously bad ass.

Don't know if he'll survive, chances are VERY slim indeed.

But one thing is sure, he is not going to return to his job of Af-Pak special envoy. Time to look at other alternatives.

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 12 Dec 2010 01:03

Remember that these are mere "secret" cables. As I noted earlier, the "Top Secret" material uses a different, more secure network. I'd expect all the "big ticket" items like the post-9/11 Amritraj threats, Kunduz airlift, KSM arrest, BB assassination, 26/11 - Headley stuff etc. to never show up anywhere in the Wikileaked documents.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 12 Dec 2010 01:39

Bruce Reidel

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 12 Dec 2010 01:40

RajeshA wrote:
Prem wrote:Pakisatan's favorite Viceroy Holbrooke Taken to the Hospital
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010 ... -hospital/
He tried GUBO on Kiyani as Kiyani had constipation. Not good on HoleBroke's heart!

Its actually his aorta...aortic dissection. He will survive, since he is in hospital.

'U.S.: Holbrooke Listed In Critical Condition

December 11, 2010
Richard Holbrooke, U.S. President Barack Obama’s special representative to Afghanistan and Pakistan, is in critical condition at George Washington University Hospital after emergency surgery to repair a tear in his aorta, according to a Dec. 11 State Department media release. Members of his family joined Holbrooke after doctors completed the surgery, State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said. No other details were provided.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 12 Dec 2010 04:50

abhijitm wrote:This is too much...The Nation is still in the reverse gear
India's true face
The whistleblower website WikiLeaks, which has ruffled many a feather for exposing the inner feelings of important personalities on the world’s political stage, has put its seal of confirmation on the genocide of the people of Pakistan Occupied Kashmir, struggling to get out of the stranglehold of Pakistan’s illegal occupation of their homeland.

Despite that US has been pumping billions into the terrorist state and keeping it afloat, can someone explain the logic?

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 12 Dec 2010 05:02

George Washington University Hospital is the same hospital that Ronald Regan was taken to after a bullet in his lungs in March 1981.

Richard Holbroke might make it after all, but it is still too early to say when or if.

The deputy viceroy of Pakistan is going to be out of action for a while, and I suppose someone will have to quickly replace him, otherwise the generals in pindi might try and slip in some mischief in his absence.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 12 Dec 2010 09:28

Jokes apart, I wish him a speedy recovery!

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 12 Dec 2010 09:36

Err, Is there a page where one can list international terrorist incidents that are YET to be attributed to Pakistan or pakistanis?
Since I couldn't find the relevent page, I hope that the pakistani lurkers won't mind if I post a news item here.
Sweden calls Stockholm blasts "terrorist attack"

By Mia Shanley and Patrick Lannin

STOCKHOLM | Sat Dec 11, 2010 9:57pm EST

STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - Two blasts rocked the center of Stockholm Saturday night in what Sweden's foreign minister called "a terrorist attack," killing one person and wounding two.

The blasts Saturday took place after Swedish news agency TT said it received a threatening letter about Sweden's military presence in Afghanistan and a years-old case of caricatures of the Prophet Mohammad.

Asked if a man found dead at the site of the second blast blew himself up in some way, police spokesman Kjell Lindgren said: "It is possible."

The incident began when a car burst into flames in the city center, followed by explosions from within the car which the police said were caused by gas canisters.

Another explosion took place, in which the man died, about 300 meters (yards) away. Two people were wounded in that blast.

"Most worrying attempt at terrorist attack in crowded part of central Stockholm. Failed - but could have been truly catastrophic," Foreign Minister Carl Bildt said in a message on Twitter, which was also shown on his blog.

...

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 12 Dec 2010 09:37

RajeshA wrote:Jokes apart, I wish him a speedy recovery!

I hope he gets well soon too.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 12 Dec 2010 09:44

OK now serious news: Video news from TOI
2 Pak boats captured off Gujarat coast

Well apparently the two boats were on a Recce mission. They were out in the sea for atleast two weeks, but surprise surprise their fish holds were empty. Looks like they were looking for something other than fish.

They are being questioned by Naval Intelligence.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 12 Dec 2010 10:42

Gagan wrote:OK now serious news: Video news from TOI
2 Pak boats captured off Gujarat coast

Well apparently the two boats were on a Recce mission. They were out in the sea for atleast two weeks, but surprise surprise their fish holds were empty. Looks like they were looking for something other than fish.

They are being questioned by Naval Intelligence.

Gagan, it could also be a countermeasure, meaning get the attention of the Navy, and while they are engaged, continue the real hanky panky. This tactic was used by TSP to brutal effect in Kashmir. They would let go off a low intensity bomb, and when the good guys, our security forces converge at the scene, a real massive bomb goes off, killing scores of our boys.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 12 Dec 2010 11:01

RajeshA wrote:Jokes apart, I wish him a speedy recovery!

Envoy in Critical Condition After Surgery to Repair Heart
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/12/us/po ... .html?_r=1

WASHINGTON — Richard C. Holbrooke, the Obama administration’s special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan, is in critical condition at a Washington hospital after emergency surgery to repair a tear in his aorta, the State Department said in a statement on Saturday. Richard Holbrooke, the president’s special envoy for Afghanistan and Pakistan, at a committee hearing in July Doctors at George Washington University Hospital completed the surgery on Saturday morning, and Mr. Holbrooke has been joined there by members of his family, according to the statement from the department’s spokesman, Philip J. Crowley. He did not provide further details

Let hope he recover fast.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 12 Dec 2010 11:55

Pakistan must change its policies: Angela Merkel

German Chancellor Angela Merkel on Saturday accused Pakistan of trying to solve political issues in the guise of terrorism, and stated that Pakistan will have to change its policies.

In a join press conference with visiting Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, Merkel said that it will be made clear to Pakistan that terror is not a means to an end when it comes to solving political problems.

Merkel said that India was suffering from the affects of the 26/11 terrorist in Mumbai and that Germany would continue to support India in battling militancy.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 12 Dec 2010 12:20

^^
This is the first time I am hearing a western leader openly talking about TSP's use of terror as state policy. A welcome change.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 12 Dec 2010 13:01

Prem wrote: Envoy in Critical Condition After Surgery to Repair Heart

In general when docs use the term "critical" it means that there is a life threatening problem that could end in death. In the case of a dissecting aortic aneurysm this could mean a stroke or even an unconscious state where he is not responding or possibly kidney failure or worse. The condition is a deadly serious one.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 12 Dec 2010 14:04

thanks doc, was wondering wtf the situation actually was...

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 12 Dec 2010 17:05

Turkmen natural gas pipeline Tapi to cross Afghanistan

A deal has been struck on building a 1,700km (1,050m) pipeline to carry Turkmen natural gas across Afghanistan to Pakistan and India.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 12 Dec 2010 18:13

Gagan wrote:Err, Is there a page where one can list international terrorist incidents that are YET to be attributed to Pakistan or pakistanis?
Since I couldn't find the relevent page, I hope that the pakistani lurkers won't mind if I post a news item here.
Sweden calls Stockholm blasts "terrorist attack"
By Mia Shanley and Patrick Lannin

STOCKHOLM | Sat Dec 11, 2010 9:57pm EST

STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - Two blasts rocked the center of Stockholm Saturday night in what Sweden's foreign minister called "a terrorist attack," killing one person and wounding two.

The blasts Saturday took place after Swedish news agency TT said it received a threatening letter about Sweden's military presence in Afghanistan and a years-old case of caricatures of the Prophet Mohammad.

Asked if a man found dead at the site of the second blast blew himself up in some way, police spokesman Kjell Lindgren said: "It is possible."

The incident began when a car burst into flames in the city center, followed by explosions from within the car which the police said were caused by gas canisters.

Another explosion took place, in which the man died, about 300 meters (yards) away. Two people were wounded in that blast.

"Most worrying attempt at terrorist attack in crowded part of central Stockholm. Failed - but could have been truly catastrophic," Foreign Minister Carl Bildt said in a message on Twitter, which was also shown on his blog.

...

Sweden needs to speed up its supplies of AWACS aircraft to Pakistan so India can be defeated, Kashmir handed to Pakistan. Come on you stupid Swedes - you're not helping the Pakistanis enough.

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 12 Dec 2010 18:27

Pak Online Editor sacked over fake US cables report against India http://www.zeenews.com/news674060.html

arun · Post by **arun** » 12 Dec 2010 18:40

X Posted from the Oppression Of Minorities in Pakistan thread.

In the “Enligtened Moderate” Islamic Republic of Pakistan a doctor is charged with blasphemy for throwing in the waste basket a visiting card that had the name Mohammad printed on it.

The doctor of course belongs to the minority and by virtue of that fact the “less pure” Ismaili sect of Islam:

Pakistan arrests doctor for blasphemy: police

(AFP) – 3 hours ago

KARACHI — A doctor has been arrested for insulting the Prophet Mohammed in Pakistan, police said on Sunday, in a second high profile case throwing the spotlight on the country's controversial anti-blasphemy laws.

Naushad Valiyani was detained on Friday following a complaint by a medical representative who visited the doctor in the city of Hyderabad.

"The arrest was made after the complainant told the police that Valiyani threw his business card, which had his full name, Muhammad Faizan, in a dustbin during a visit to his clinic," regional police chief Mushtaq Shah told AFP.

"Faizan accused Valiyani of committing blasphemy and asked police to register a case against the doctor."

Shah said the issue had been resolved after Valiyani, a member of Pakistan's Ismaili community, an offshoot of Shiite Islam, apologised but local religious leaders intervened and pressed for action. …………….

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 12 Dec 2010 19:05

arun wrote:X Posted from the Oppression Of Minorities in Pakistan thread.

In the “Enligtened Moderate” Islamic Republic of Pakistan a doctor is charged with blasphemy for throwing in the waste basket a visiting card that had the name Mohammad printed on it.

The doctor of course belongs to the minority and by virtue of that fact the “less pure” Ismaili sect of Islam:

Pakistan arrests doctor for blasphemy: police

(AFP) – 3 hours ago

KARACHI — A doctor has been arrested for insulting the Prophet Mohammed in Pakistan, police said on Sunday, in a second high profile case throwing the spotlight on the country's controversial anti-blasphemy laws.

Naushad Valiyani was detained on Friday following a complaint by a medical representative who visited the doctor in the city of Hyderabad.

"The arrest was made after the complainant told the police that Valiyani threw his business card, which had his full name, Muhammad Faizan, in a dustbin during a visit to his clinic," regional police chief Mushtaq Shah told AFP.

"Faizan accused Valiyani of committing blasphemy and asked police to register a case against the doctor."

Shah said the issue had been resolved after Valiyani, a member of Pakistan's Ismaili community, an offshoot of Shiite Islam, apologised but local religious leaders intervened and pressed for action. …………….

Pakis are 7th century zoo animals living in a zoo called Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

Vinu · Post by **Vinu** » 12 Dec 2010 19:12

TSP's - Artificial Robot Satellite - ARS (e?)

I came across the below topic in Wikipedia and stunned by the terminology 'Artificial Robot Satellite'. Did a google and confirmed that no other country had developed any 'Artificial Robot Satellite' so far....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_an ... n_Pakistan

Thank you,

Apologise if it is already discussed over here.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 12 Dec 2010 19:19

Valiyani, a member of Pakistan's Ismaili community

Didn't the Aga Khan support partition?

So the Ismailis join the Ahmedis and the Shia in not being pure enough to live in the land of the pure...

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 12 Dec 2010 20:33

abhijitm wrote:This is too much...The Nation is still in the reverse gear
India's true face
The whistleblower website WikiLeaks, which has ruffled many a feather for exposing the inner feelings of important personalities on the world’s political stage, has put its seal of confirmation on the genocide of the people of Pakistan Occupied Kashmir, struggling to get out of the stranglehold of Pakistan’s illegal occupation of their homeland.

Every day is April Fools Day in Pakistan. It's their take on Groundhog day.

sum · Post by **sum** » 12 Dec 2010 20:59

"The arrest was made after the complainant told the police that Valiyani threw his business card, which had his full name, Muhammad Faizan, in a dustbin during a visit to his clinic," regional police chief Mushtaq Shah told AFP.

"Faizan accused Valiyani of committing blasphemy and asked police to register a case against the doctor."

Not sure whether to laugh or cry at this Poaki behaviour...

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 12 Dec 2010 21:24

Gerard wrote:
Valiyani, a member of Pakistan's Ismaili community
Didn't the Aga Khan support partition?

So the Ismailis join the Ahmedis and the Shia in not being pure enough to live in the land of the pure...

Have the Ismailis been declared Non-Muslims yet? Or they still considered muslims?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 12 Dec 2010 21:37

Vinu wrote:TSP's - Artificial Robot Satellite - ARS (e?)

I came across the below topic in Wikipedia and stunned by the terminology 'Artificial Robot Satellite'. Did a google and confirmed that no other country had developed any 'Artificial Robot Satellite' so far....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_an ... n_Pakistan

Thank you,

Apologise if it is already discussed over here.

No no. It is important that we talk of Pukeland's achievements

Here are the details:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badr-1

Structure 26-Facet polyhedron
Thermal Design passive
Mass 52 kg
Solar Panels 17 square facets
Average Conditioned Power 12.5 watts
Down Link VHF
Up Link UHF
Telemetry Channels 32
Sensors temperature, current, voltage
Data Transmission Rates 1200,600,300,150 baud
DCE Memory Bank 8 kilobyte
Launch Date July 16, 1990
Reentry Date (re-entry for a satellite?)

December 9, 1990

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 12 Dec 2010 21:44

shiv wrote:
Gagan wrote:Sweden calls Stockholm blasts "terrorist attack"
Sweden needs to speed up its supplies of AWACS aircraft to Pakistan so India can be defeated, Kashmir handed to Pakistan. Come on you stupid Swedes - you're not helping the Pakistanis enough.

Yes after each Bum blast in Stockholm, Sweden needs to arm the pakistanis more and more

Now I understand why they call it "Stockholm Syndrome" onlee

AoA to that...

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 12 Dec 2010 22:03

shiv wrote:
Vinu wrote:TSP's - Artificial Robot Satellite - ARS (e?)

'Artificial Robot Satellite'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_an ... n_Pakistan
Here are the details:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badr-1

Data Transmission Rates 1200,600,300,150 baud
DCE Memory Bank 8 kilobyte
Launch Date July 16, 1990
Reentry Date (re-entry for a satellite?) December 9, 1990

AoA,
Splindid achievement by Pakistan's NATIONAL space program!
Its just that the kids at Madras University and the IITs make microsatellites which are way much more powerful and which can carry out much more functions that this pakistani national satellite.

PS: What is with the pakistani penchant for naming everything so that it rhymes with the simian species hain ji?
Thandaar-Bandar Phyter plane, Bandar (ARSe) satellite?

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 12 Dec 2010 22:10

^^^
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Madarassa math at work onlee saar:

Badr-1, a low earth orbit satellite, circled the Earth's orbit every 96 minutes, passing over Pakistan for 15 minutes three to four times a day

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 12 Dec 2010 22:17

^^^
Err, Pakistan is a continent onlee.

Only Pakistani leaders and fauji Generals are Incontinent.

Narad · Post by **Narad** » 12 Dec 2010 22:49

Security arrangements for Muharram finalised in Karachi

Lets see

KARACHI: CCPO Karachi, Fayaz Leghari said on Sunday that the Karachi police had finalised the security arrangements for the month of Muharram, and that commercial centers which fal on the Muharram procession routes will remain closed for three days.

An Emergency Muharram Cell has been set up at the Chief Minister House here.
An official announcement on Sunday said that this will function round the clock.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 12 Dec 2010 23:23

Terrorism in Pakistan linked to Afghanistan, India: Musharraf

LONDON: Former president Pervez Musharraf said on Sunday that the chain of terrorism in Pakistan is linked to India and Afghanistan.

In an article written in Wall Street Journal, Musharraf said that the curriculum in religious schools must be changed to curb terrorism. He also urged proper partaking of Pakhtuns in the Kabul government to ensure a stable Afghanistan because historically, Pakhtuns have always ruled in Afghanistan.

Musharraf said that the triumph in the Afghan jihad was due to Pakistan’s efforts but the West had taken advantage of that.

He also added that he had advised the international community to accept the Taliban government but by not doing so, a huge blunder had been made.

Looks like Jalebi madam is writing his speeches or perhaps he is also relying on ISPR handouts to increase his awareness of world affairs