Bharat Rakshak

KV Rao wrote:

goutham wrote:[quote="ShyamSP"Why don't you roll back another 100 years or so and post the map.


Also why only Telengana. How about Gulbarga and Aurangabad divisions. Shouldn't they also ask for loot? In your mind only Telenganavadis?/quote]

Why dont you do it if you have the map? after all its you who needs to prove a point. Dont ask me to look at Govt. records again.

People in Gulbarga, Bidar and Aurangabad are willfully part of the state that they want to be part of ,during linguistic division of states.

No one is asking them to join Telengana by force. Very unlike the situation in AP today.

Please check the history of Andhra Pradesh, along with maps here:
history of AP on wikipedia
Till 1753, nearly the entire AP was under Nizam. In 1753, Nizam gave away circars to the French. British got them in 1765. Sometime in the 19th century Rayalaseema districts were ceded over by Nizam to the British.

‘‘If anyone says a word that Hyderabad is not part of Telangana, we will cut out their tongues,’’ he thundered and alleged that Andhra leaders had not built even a single railway station in the State capital. ‘‘All the development in Hyderabad was done under the Nizam’s rule,’’ he claimed.

He said the TRS would resort to ‘‘direct action’’ if leaders of the united State movement continued to make provocative statements and reeled out a list of various issues on which he alleged that Andhra leaders had let down the Telangana region in the past 50 years. Taking on the Tollywood, he justified the attack earlier in the day by his partymen on the film unit of a movie which has in the lead Manoj Kumar, veteran actor Mohan Babu’s son. ‘‘The film unit members should thank their stars that our activists did not harm them,’’ Chandrasekhara Rao said.

Sridhar wrote:BTW, for supporters of Telengana, the Nagarjuna Sagar project was planned not by the AP Govt. but by the Planning Commission. It commissioned a scientific study to see how best the waters of the river could be exploited. The planning commission's proposal led to the implementation of the project.

For the record, the Nagarjuna Sagar project waters about 6 lakh acres in the Telengana region, as opposed to about 14 lakh acres in the other parts of Andhra Pradesh.

Rony wrote:Is it only me or some one else also are seeing the "paki" mentality of Telangana movement. KCR says that they are "different" from rest of Andhras because of the Nizam's culture just like pakis say they are different because of central asian turk culture.After Independence, instead of blaming the nizam for their backwardness (which is the truth) , they blamed the Coastal Andhras for all their problems just like India is always the scapegoat for pakistani problems. If someone wants to look at the cognotive dissonace of psudo-telanganites , look at KCR's shameless dhimmi lie. He is blatantly glorifying the Nizam and says what ever development happened in Hyderabad, happened in Nizam's time.

I think people might not have realised this, but the division of AP is looking strinkingly similar to division of India. Replace Congress party with the British, Chidambaram with Mountbatten , the "greviances" and lies of KCR with the "greviances" and lies of Jinnah and the 'direct action' of TRS to the direct action of the muslim league .


KCR issues ‘nuclear’ threat

‘‘If anyone says a word that Hyderabad is not part of Telangana, we will cut out their tongues,’’ he thundered and alleged that Andhra leaders had not built even a single railway station in the State capital. ‘‘All the development in Hyderabad was done under the Nizam’s rule,’’ he claimed.

He said the TRS would resort to ‘‘direct action’’ if leaders of the united State movement continued to make provocative statements and reeled out a list of various issues on which he alleged that Andhra leaders had let down the Telangana region in the past 50 years. Taking on the Tollywood, he justified the attack earlier in the day by his partymen on the film unit of a movie which has in the lead Manoj Kumar, veteran actor Mohan Babu’s son. ‘‘The film unit members should thank their stars that our activists did not harm them,’’ Chandrasekhara Rao said.

Sarma wrote:Sridhar, thank you for pointing that the Nagarjuna Sagar dam was conceptualized by the Planning Commission. This is the problem with the argument of the Telagana separatists that the people from the rest of the region have robbed them literally of their resources. They advance no scientific arguments or place facts in this regard, but only invective and their aggrieved sense of deprivation.

In fact, it is said that Rayalaseema part of the AP suffered the most due to the integration since the capital was shifted from Kurnool to Hyderabad. Telangana has 119 MLAs, what are all these people doing for the last 56 years?

Sarma wrote:goutham, don't you find nothing wrong when KCR praises Nizam? What happened to all the sacrifices of the Telangana people fighting against Nizam?
You keep talking of facts, what about KCR praising Nizam who killed thousands of Telangana people?

This is the Pakiness of KCR. His Pakiness is not solely because he asks for a separate state. His tactics for getting a separate state are exactly like that of Jinnah. KCR is now talking of "direct action", whatever that means.

Anyways, there is no point discussing with people like you when you start linking TDF website material.

nukavarapu wrote:

goutham wrote:
The pakiness is not by Potti SreeRamulu, he never threatened anyone to cut throats or bloodshed. What KCR and his goons are doing is exact Pakiness. He is threatening to spill blood and cut throats of Kosta and Seema People. Thats a big lahori logic that entire development of Hyderabad was done during the Nizam. What else can be expected from such Paki mentality after what CBN did for Hyderabad. Did Nizam give them Hi-Tech City, or Microsoft or Oracle or ISB? What statements KCR is making is pakiness at its best !!!

goutham wrote: They would have come even if AP didnt exist and Telangana exsisted Tell me one big university or educational institution established by Mr. double speak flip flop Naidu.

Muppalla wrote:Seperating from Madras state and current formation of so called "smaller states" is way different.

Their region has 40% of seats in the state which can actually do wonders in grabbing resources and also they could have done reverse decieving but they choose to complain rather than showing their original Kakatheeya spirit. Original Telugu spirit is from the current Telangana region with Orugallu (Warangal) as their capital. when Warangal was capital, the so called coastal districts are ruled by the folks for Orugallu.

Stan_Savljevic wrote: Well, yes, they are different. In 1953, we saw language as a least common denominator. And folks of this very forum kept whining about how language can be a cause for such fanaticism in the relevant threads. And we have an answer to that: language cannot be the least common denominator, but it has to be sustainable socio-political-economic development by preserving cultural identity. When things change on the ground and a new logic is set on the ground, folks who claim themselves to be nationalists, instead of analyzing things from a nationalistic viewpoint do what?

Stan_Savljevic wrote: Well, yes, they are different. In 1953, we saw language as a least common denominator. And folks of this very forum kept whining about how language can be a cause for such fanaticism in the relevant threads. And we have an answer to that: language cannot be the least common denominator, but it has to be sustainable socio-political-economic development by preserving cultural identity. When things change on the ground and a new logic is set on the ground, folks who claim themselves to be nationalists, instead of analyzing things from a nationalistic viewpoint do what?

I love this Kakatiya-Chalukya spirit. When things on the ground are seen as kingdoms which control land, wealth and resources, you deserve the whining when people who feel they have nt got their due shares whine. Surely, this kingdom-logic needs to be framed in A-class gold and put on the first post of this thread so that folks like me dont get confused and step into a sewage.

Muppalla wrote: No one compelled you. You are interested and the addiction is so much you have to come here and take swipes at posters while contributing your sewer to the sewage. That is your style and it is fun for me anyway

Stan_Savljevic wrote: As long as you keep the sewer to your side of the region and dont make it a open TN-bashing session, I have no problem with whether the costa-seema folks wanna kissy-kissy with the Telengana folks or not. If you want to check, I started taking potshots [and that too directly and not snidely] only when folks such as you and sundry other silly posts about owner's pride and other nonsense turned up here. So take that and shove it, I personally care a rat about what happens inside AP, keep it to yourself and stop bashing other states and throwing fancy conspiracy theories and developing a caste-based geneology and explanation for this and that. For every damn thing, there is a Kamma-Velama-Kapu explanation or a Kakatiya-Chalukya nonsense. And if TN pops in the next time, I will choose to arrogate on TN's behalf as I choose it right. And if folks bring in conspiracy theories, either they bring proof or risk their credibility, of whatever that is left after the elections thread.

I will write what I like

Stan_Savljevic wrote:You cant write some arrant nonsense just because you like it, what you write, esp if it maligns me or others, need to have proof. Else DESIST. I can put the same hat and write lots of stuff about you or the group you belong to, I am not going to cheapen myself by doing that.

Stan_Savljevic wrote: As long as you keep the sewer to your side of the region and dont make it a open TN-bashing session, I have no problem with whether the costa-seema folks wanna kissy-kissy with the Telengana folks or not. If you want to check, I started taking potshots [and that too directly and not snidely] only when folks such as you and sundry other silly posts about owner's pride and other nonsense turned up here. So take that and shove it, I personally care a rat about what happens inside AP, keep it to yourself and stop bashing other states and throwing fancy conspiracy theories and developing a caste-based geneology and explanation for this and that. For every damn thing, there is a Kamma-Velama-Kapu explanation or a Kakatiya-Chalukya nonsense. And if TN pops in the next time, I will choose to arrogate on TN's behalf as I choose it right. And if folks bring in conspiracy theories, either they bring proof or risk their credibility, of whatever that is left after the elections thread.

vina wrote:Your destiny is to be ruled by the boor-o-crats of Fort St George . That is the way it was sirs, the "natural" scheme of things ,all the way upto Ganjam district (now in Orissa). The only thing is do you want to be one of 'em Boor-o-crats INSIDE the Fort or one of those outside the fort!

Stan_Savljevic wrote:Hello, it is time that wild conspiracy theories need proof. Raju just now got banned for one such thing. Rahul Mehta has gotten banned for one such thing.

Congratulations Andhras! Today Andhras have once again won against their arch rivals Telanganas. The goal score stands at 200-0.

The game is still on. Telanganas have been facing the onslaught of the majority Andhras for fifty years now and are being ruthlessly and mercilessly beaten, but looks like there is no respite for Telangana because Andhras are not letting Telangana stop the game. Andhras want to continue the game and keep Telangana playing so that they can better their score. They want to break all records eventually, that of Nizam rule of Telangana, British occupation of India, Sri Lankan suppression of Tamils, that of Israeli occupation of Palestine, that of White discrimination of Blacks. May be they want to keep the game on so that one day they can even break the record of Nadir Shah and Genghis Khan.

Andhras scored the first goal within the first second of the game when Neelam Sanjeeva Reddy dismissed the idea of Deputy CM that was agreed upon in Gentlemen’s Agreement right on 1st November of 1956, thereby starting the saga of humiliation of Telanganas.

Later on, every point of Gentlemen’s Agreement was flouted meticulously making the score 10-0. All the agreements of 1960s were flouted. Various GOs that were agreed upon were eventually flouted. The decimation of Telangana has just begun. It was the turn of irrigation where every agreement was ignored depriving the region of its share of water decreasing the irrigated land of 20 Lakh Acres in 1956 to 12 Lakh Acres in 2004, thereby proving that Telangana was better off under Nizam Regime than under Andhra Regime. With that the score reached 100-0.

Andhras scored a major victory when they launched ‘Jai Andhra’ movement to seek a separate state in 1973 to overturn a Supreme Court ruling that protected Telanganas. Then it was the case of government jobs. 25,000 illegal jobs based on bogus Mulki certificates were given to Andhras by 1975 and about 60,000 illegal jobs by 1985. The score reached 150-0.

For the last twenty years, Telangana was cheated on every front, from moving funds that belonged to Telangana to Andhra, from allocation of lopsided budgets for colleges and schools favoring Andhras, stalling implementation of GO 610 and other presidential orders. The score was standing at 199-0 last night.

Tonight, Andhras have done very well for themselves. They have used the power of majority to cow the minority into submission. They used fasts, riots on streets, protests, strikes, bandhs, and even antics like fleeing from Vijayawada hospital to Hyderabad hospital, to stifle the voice of a minority region in their state. All the Andhra politicians who have earlier promised Telangana State did a blatant U-turn as if it was preordained.

P Chidambaram, Home Minister of India, has put the Telangana state formation on hold giving another victory to Andhras. While Andhras rejoice on depriving Telangana of their state, Telanganas stand dejected once again. Looks like there is no respite for Telanganas! They continue to lose to Andhras without any let down. They are tired of this game. It was Nizam before and it is now Andhras. They want to opt out, but they are not allowed to. Andhras want to score few more goals. They are not done yet. ‘Abhi game baki hai dost’, they tell us. One of the pending goals is to take away Hyderabad from Telangana. That way they can leave Telangana completely sucked dry, emasculated, emaciated, humiliated and battered.

Today, everyone in Telangana is clear on one thing. The only reason P Chidambaram changed his stance on Telangana is because of Andhra-Rayalaseema people and politicians. Most of us, even the most reasonable, literate and rational people of Telangana, hold Andhra politicians and people responsible for what happened today and grant you the victory. All the democratic institutions of India have failed us today.

But since the game is still on, I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate Andhra people and politicians on their decisive victories. Congratulations on your score of 200-0.

Congratulations Andhras! Today Andhras have once again won against their arch rivals Telanganas. The goal score stands at 200-0.

Andhras want to continue the game and keep Telangana playing so that they can better their score. They want to break all records eventually, that of Nizam rule of Telangana, British occupation of India, Sri Lankan suppression of Tamils, that of Israeli occupation of Palestine, that of White discrimination of Blacks. May be they want to keep the game on so that one day they can even break the record of Nadir Shah and Genghis Khan.

Andhras scored the first goal within the first second of the game when Neelam Sanjeeva Reddy dismissed the idea of Deputy CM that was agreed upon in Gentlemen’s Agreement right on 1st November of 1956, thereby starting the saga of humiliation of Telanganas.

The only reason P Chidambaram changed his stance on Telangana is because of Andhra-Rayalaseema people and politicians. Most of us, even the most reasonable, literate and rational people of Telangana, hold Andhra politicians and people responsible for what happened today and grant you the victory.

har kutte ka ek din atta hai

Sarma wrote:Admins:
I request you humbly to delete the above post by Anuj, which is just cutting and pasting hate messages from other blogs on to this forum, where we value reasoned discussions.
Thanks
Sarma

Nation-wise, state-fool, are we?

When I was five we used to live in a small apartment which you would typically associate with any middle class family back in late 1980s. One can easily visualize my place and the intricacies which come with it. Our living area was a small bedroom and a disproportionately large drawing room, that was all. Guests were frequent, and whenever they would come over, we would be restricted to remain “locked up” in that small bedroom. Even the dining table and television were in the drawing room and, with my mother being a little conservative with exposing me to all sorts of people who were our visitors, I remembering delays in our small family meals and missing so many of my favourite toon-series. Worst time was when there were exams. I remember having to go granny place to find a peaceful place to study. Then one fine day, mom had a ground-shaking idea which would change our lives forever, well at least till we remained in that house. She brought a thick curtain and separated our drawing room. Voila! Now we had given birth to our own dining room out of the drawing room! Everyone was happy! We were happy to now watch all our programmes on television and do everything which we were deprived off due to that darn over-sized, under-utilized room.

Did the large glorious drawing room get smaller? YES
Were the curtains impregnable? NO
Did the house get any smaller? NO. In fact, in effective terms it only got bigger as utilization shot up!
Were the people of the household happier? YES

The example from my house is typically true with many middle class. We do it in our homes all the time. But when it comes to the nation, effective space for diversified activities gives us constipation. Somehow, in our meta-state, rather ill informed nationalism with stagnant notions, we cannot get rid of the belief that division of state is the same as splitting the nation!

Let me give an example. Gujarat was created out of Bombay State in 1960 and today both the states born in the form of Gujarat and Maharashtra are doing better than they erstwhile – infact both of them together account for nearly half of our exports and 2/3rd of our stock market. Some years back three new states were created in the form of Uttarakhand, Chattisgarh and Jharkhand out of the high population/area states of Uttar Pradesh (highest population), Madhya Pradesh (largest area) and Bihar(2nd highest population). Today, at least 5 out of the 6 of these affected/created states are doing better than one would have expected them to do as a united entity. I will take the case of UP for a reference, the state being my home. I remember the times, when Uttar Pradesh (which also had Uttaranchal), used to pursue a policy of reservation for “hill people” (people of Uttaranchal). The “maidani” (plain) population had a lot of heartburn at under-qualified “hilly” people getting many government jobs. Meanwhile, with all the fast flowing rivers, the region of “hill” was home to many hydro plants which were a lifeline of the UP power generation. However, with a highly charged political environment ruled with subsidy, the rates for power were far lower than the actual cost to the state and with this sub-optimal pricing there was a clear case of inefficient and over usage, which further led to rostering of power supply and power-cuts leading to economic losses. Then the “curtains” were drawn in the midst of much opposition. Today, at least I can claim that the situation is much better. First, UP now has to pay for the power from Uttarakhand, which has made usage of the power more efficient. Second, with reservation gone, there is more competitiveness and hence urge towards skill building in the “hill” people and less heartburn in the people of the new UP. Such acceleration is also evident in the state of the Chattisgarh and the much smaller version 2.0 of Madhya Pradesh. The situation in less than a decade:
Both the parent and child are now making remarkable progress and in terms of GDP growth they are doing at least 50% better than the erstwhile Madhya Pradesh v1.0.
Both the governments are more responsive and directly accountable to their respective people.
Both are award winning stories of turn around in governance responsiveness.
Of course, there is free flow of labour and capital across the states.

Let us make no mistakes about the philosophy of India - Unity in diversity does not mean forceful unification of all diversities. It means respecting all forms of diversities, creating spaces for them and finding harmonious intersections of them for common national goals. With the boom in population these sub groups will only become more pronounced and with better communication these “prouncements” become more visible.

The ultimate aim of any government should be an inclusive and sustainable development within all states, with clear accountability of government. The overall development of the nation would only be a sum of the all these development centers in the form of states. When we attained independence, we had some 12 states and 300 million people. Today, we have almost 4 times the number of people, if some “curtains” have to be drawn to match the population and achieve our development goals, so be it. If USA can survive and thrive 300 years with 50 states, why cannot we?

Let us also be clear about the flavour of federal and confederate “khichdi” we are operating in. The philosophy of the creation of the state of India was based on a mixed role of state and central governments. Whereas the role of the state government, which enjoys the bulk of the developmental power, is to be competitive for development, the center is supposed to be controlling the reins and ensuring that benefits are directed to those who need it the most – in a way creating equity in a competing state.

We also need to look at the historic context of Andhra Pradesh. Pre-indpendence India had Telugu speaking people spread across two provinces – The Madras Province (under British Province) and the Kingdom of Hyderabad (under semi-autonomous Nizam). Traditionally, there was a wide gap in the prosperity of the common farmers in these two regions (Hyderabad being far poorer) – primarily due to the nature of rule. When Hyderabad was brought under India under the actions of the Operation Polo in 1947-48, the late dissolution further brought misery to the common man of Hyderabad who lost out on Right to Property for at least one year. This difference lived on till 1960s when the state of Andhra Pradesh was formed by uniting the Telugu speaking from Madras Province and Hyderabad Province, and even today when we find that most of the rich and influential come from the coastal parts – erstwhile Madras Province part. Most the mineral resources in the Telangana region and even the political positions in the Telangana region, and the industry of Hyderabad are all occupied by influential from coastal parts. The thrust of the protest comes from these coastal influential few but powerful and the economic backing to throw their voices at top pitch over large distances – with the fear of losing their assets in mines and industry to the original tribal people and perhaps the true owners.
I find it even stranger that the protest is happening in a state which was founded on the philosophy of cultural space. Andhra when split from Madras Province, was purely on linguistic lines – with little economic justification. They said “Andhra will starve, they will die in hunger”. Andhra proved them all wrong. With the help of well directed help from the central government Andhra Pradesh has emerged as one of the most progressive states. Why should the same case not apply to Telangana, a state which will be rich in mineral – it can mine its way into progress.

The ultimate decision of “Telengana or no Telengana” should be that of the people of Telengana and not us sitting Delhi, or pondering from Bengal and Gujarat and not even the rest of Andhra Pradesh. That is true democracy to me. Splitting of a state, for the reasons of economic benefits, social justice, preservation of culture or plain better and more accountable governance; is in no way synonymous to dividing the country. Such pseudo nationalism is a farce and fears that we will soon be back to the pre 1857 era of multiple ever-warring states is unfound and almost hilarious. By that logic we should abolish all states and have a monopoly of the center !

True nationalism is constantly reinventing the nation for continuous growth – the thoughts and fears of yesterday will not work in the shaping the future. The fact that there is “politics” and “politicians” who are working behind the scenes should not be the reason to start opposing this or any action. Saying that there is politics behind a government action is synonymous to saying there is profit motive behind a company – so should we start opposing them all? Politics which leads to development is always welcome, look at the ends not the means. In fact, there is a strong case for even more states - which where the very rich and the very poor have been made strange bedfellows. The same fire which cooks food, burns down the house. Depends on how one sees and uses it.

Jai Hind!

Rony wrote: This is called manufacturing hatred, Paki style !

Rony wrote:The dude forget to add Nazi- Jew comparision

Rony wrote:Neelam Sanjeeva Reddy is not from coastal Andhra.He is from Rayalaseema, the region which is even more backward than Telangana. There goes the Andhra domination argument !

Rony wrote:That was unwarranted and deeply offensive.

Rony wrote:If the Telangana wants to seperate, it can only be done with rational arguments

Rony wrote:Attitudes like this will not solve any problems but only increase hatred.