Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 29 Jan 2013 22:44

Karanji,
I have not said anything to distress you.Rahul has some 'degrees' and 'work experience' useless they maybe.Infact one can legitimately claim some of them to be harmful for one aspiring to lead India.But they are perfectly good preparation for the heir role he is being groomed for.And the Congress spimeisters will scrpt it that way.My using AmberGjis 'authority' was to note that these 'degrees/experience' will be 'used' in a general debate about RGs qualifications to 'further' his cause,particularly when I thought RG had barely passed 12th std and had gone no further and this seemed to me to be the general perception.

If I have come across in any way as an apologist for rahul gandhi,I have no intention of being one,though I believe one should be aware of the obstacles in NMs way and the very definite need for NM to articulate a vision for India.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 29 Jan 2013 22:55

Good article here: Rahul vs Modi: Comparing the incomparables

The nation has to make the choice — choosing a leader who will lead the people on the path of prosperity. As a nation, we must make the right choice by upholding our highly cherished democratic norms. It is time to prove to the world that we are not merely a monarchy in disguise, that we are not a land of feudal lords and we are not a nation that hangs on the branches of a banyan tree planted by a dynastic grandfather. We need to progress in a competitive world, protect ourselves from our enemies, refocus the power of our youth, build bridges for a prosperous tomorrow and erase incompetence, complacency, corruption and internal conflicts. We live in trying times and we need to seriously weigh our choices.

At a time like this, while making the right choice, we need to capitalise on the experience, efficiency and effectiveness of a leader who has proven his worth. The choice that we make for the nation is the choice that we make for the future of our children as well. While people are frustrated with the indecision in the Congress – a party fraught with senility and sycophancy — and are getting excited about the prospects of Narendra Modi leading our nation, Congress has already started positioning Rahul Gandhi as a future Prime Minister.

What a choice!

Rahul is a Gandhi by name. It is a great name, though unconnected to the Mahatma. It was acquired by way of an insignificant quirk of fate after Rahul’s grandmother married a man bearing that name. It was then passed on to subsequent generations. The Gandhi who lent his family name to Rahul did nothing worthy that we may fondly cherish. But unknowingly, he awarded mammoth brand capital to the family and to the political party it controls.

But what’s in a name? In this case, a lot. The name bears powerful recall value and may mesmerise and confuse the younger generation. It is this name that keeps the Congress on a tight leash, a party that does not have the idealism or vision to lead the country and even promotes those facing serious corruption charges. The name has such allure that it can make an ordinary Indo-Italian man a crown prince and heir-apparent to an extraordinary fortune. It has such formidable historical value that it turned an Italian woman into a regent and the Indian National Congress into a regency. It is a name that shamed democratic norms and legitimised a monarchy by sugar-coating it with democratic verbiage.

Modi is not a Gandhi by name. But he comes from the same soil that bore the Mahatma. He too is unconnected to the great one by way of lineage. He has not, through a fortunate quirk of fate, been endowed with the halo of power. He did not grow up with grand delusions of power through a childhood spent on a political landscape where regents would wait on him. Modi has worked his way up by serving the people for decades, delivering goods that matter in their everyday lives and by binding the fates of the six crore people of Gujarat to a vision for a better tomorrow. He believed in a vision — delivering power to the people so they may earn their meals, quench their thirst, raise their children, live in honour and build a healthy, happy and hopeful society. What’s in his name? Nothing. It is his deeds that have made him who he is.

Under Modi, peace has reigned in Gujarat with a record zero communal riots in a decade when other parts of country faced recurring violence. AP, UP, Bihar and Maharastra have seen repeated instances of communal disharmony. Modi does not pursue an appeasement policy as he has always aimed for everyone’s development. UK’s most influential Muslim MP, Lord Adam Patel, who is the founder of Council of Indian Muslims , a UK-based organisation that was formed to campaign against Gujarat riots, met Modi on January 24, 2013 to show solidarity. Adam, who played a pivotal role in organising protests during Modi’s visit to London in 2003, has now reconciled to the fact that Modi is a friend of all communities.

In the recently concluded Assembly Election of Gujarat, 11 per cent Muslims voted in favour of BJP, implying a significant change in thinking and proving a common belief wrong — that Muslims do not favour Modi. Time magazine has hailed the message of brand Gujarat and it now looks like the model that should cover the entire republic of India. Against such tall accomplishments, we have Rahul Gandhi — a person of no vision, experience, accomplishments, public acceptance or even relevance to our society.

If Rahul Gandhi is the choice before us against the prospect of Narendra Modi, it plainly is a choice between inexperience and experience. It is a choice between someone who has never held an office and one who has led a State for over a decade and established a model of exemplary development.

It will be a choice between upholding monarchy and voting for democracy.

And if Rahul Gandhi is the choice we make, it will be the fateful choice of a pitiable nation.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 29 Jan 2013 23:08

right.. just focus on commerce and growth, all these religious issues can go underground. ask the people to work towards it. build a setup, that establishes these happen, and proceed towards future rather keep harping on the past.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 29 Jan 2013 23:18

Muppalla wrote:^^^^
Jethmalanis or Sushma or the D4 are not dangerous. The danger only comes from those characters who are neither visible as a friend nor as a foe but quitely does the destruction. Such characters are the reasons for 2009 poor show of BJP. These characters are behind Modi's loss of 6 seats in Gujarat and same types are reason behind MP's unexpected losses. The same ensured that B.C.Kandhuri loses UK. We unfortunately on this forum when we discuss we brand all D4 as some villians and Nuhruvian etc. The real soboteurs are the ones who ensured that LKA does not become PM in 2009 and are the same who campaigned for Keshubhai Patal and are all over the BJP's geography.

Muppala garu, no hatred for D4 from my side.

Anyways, a different perspective from the ground is -

NM is seen as a non-nonsense guy and loves to have full control over the ship. This means majority of the 2nd rung leaders will be eclipsed. One danger for BJP with NM as the PM candidate is that these 2nd tier leaders may jump the ship (they will not have any power under NM) so they can at least have some power in a non-NM govt.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 29 Jan 2013 23:23

Arjun ji, this 11 percent of the muslims voting for NM is a very strong indicator of the sheer limitations of the high decible proselytisation that Kongis attempt. Muslims subscribe to a different paradigm of mutual relations and that paradigm respects strength. Esp. the kind of strength that Modi brings to the fore. NM never apologiesd, is a staunch hindu and focuses on what a lay citizen needs from his leader.

If not for anything else NM needs to be promoted for this one quality. He will end up doing more for Indicization of Indian Muslims than anybody else.

If the Sangh machinery is communicative to even a fraction of the degree of what Kongis do they will be able to use this one fact to kill all competition at the Matdaata Kuteer.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 30 Jan 2013 02:04

forever young but old prince of the faithfools-
1) was partying during the deadly 2008 attack in Mumbai
2) was in the gym during Republic day parade.
3) has no sense of shame of his upbringing and the system which he berated in his speech.

NaMo
1) been in kargil during the war giving moral support.
2) in the forefront during any crisis
3) thinks and breathes for his nation.

contrasting ideas of India between the two.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 30 Jan 2013 02:08

RamaY wrote:NM is seen as a non-nonsense guy and loves to have full control over the ship. This means majority of the 2nd rung leaders will be eclipsed. One danger for BJP with NM as the PM candidate is that these 2nd tier leaders may jump the ship (they will not have any power under NM) so they can at least have some power in a non-NM govt.

I don't think he will be sidelining many of the national "leaders". They will be getting good ministerial posts, but they will not be having so much wiggle room, they will be giving NaMo regular updates.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 30 Jan 2013 02:13

BJP and NaMo may come with a huge shortfall whenever elections are held.

This is with the media.

Media plays a huge role in shaping the perceptions of the candidates and parties.

Over the years for whatever the tactical brilliance of BJP/RSS they have lost out enormously of the goodwill of huge chunks of Indians.

Now due to constant media barbs and grooming of Indians removed from Pride associated with their culture are today the sickular stalwarts. IOW DIEs and SLIMEs are in these fields.

Over the years congis and their teams(assorted casteist and communists baggages) correctly diagnosed RSS as the real opposition to their political power aspirations.

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Now with the newer generations coming to the fore, many are not journalists presswallahs or in humanities dept-- but in STEM etc fields who are doing a rearguard action in fighting these people.
These are varioulsy termed "internet Yindoos" etc and what not.
There is no equal playing field with space not given in mainstream press for these folks. These internet yindoos and raa agints have taken by storm in the social media where there is alevel playing field.
Hence there is severe khujili in the DIEs and SLIMEs in the MSM and congis dept.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 30 Jan 2013 02:25

Theo_Fidel wrote:Wow! Tour-de-force of dooom+glooom. Run Ramu Runn....

Which brings me to repeat my question, why has it proven so easy to shunt the Hindu right wing off the MSM? Any thoughts other than CT's.

check the selection process of journalists, the schools where they pass through etc.the controls etc.

why did yinternet hindoos term was coined - when the lies of MSM were exposed. why term as yindoos when an Indian (a Hindu) never proclaimed his religious association strongly. As a result of which it has made young sdres proclaim more strongly than never before their Hinduness and association with India. IMHO a very good one despite the negative connotation when it was originally applied to demonise a young India.
why is there so much anger and fear on socila media amongst the MSM.
why are congis and communists fearful of the same.

why are the Indian history and Hindu religion targetted in a negative way with active support from west.

Theo , you can find answers for the anger of sdres in social media only when you open your eyes honestly.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 30 Jan 2013 06:24

^^ Guys, stop jumping to bite diversionary bait at first opportunity. Yawn.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 30 Jan 2013 07:59

If urban development ministry allocates funds based on performance, Gujarat will receive the largest chunk of funds

Gujarat challenge for funds release

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1130130/j ... QiHEjH3Iy0

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 30 Jan 2013 08:02

Rahul tip on leadership: ‘let others take the glory’

Echoing former US president John F Kennedy's famous remark, "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country", Rahul also exhorted the youth to stop asking politicians what they can do and think about what, as citizens and the youth, they can do to help others.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/rahul ... /1066558/0

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 30 Jan 2013 09:43

Hari garu,

++1 to above post.

it's about time we stopped responding to these hit-and-run tactics.
quite literally, over the past few weeks, on different threads, the poster has become adept at making one provocative post, without actually responding to any of the responses he receives. and we spend a jolly good few days on hyperventilating about it.

this is the 3rd of 4th time. I fell for it once, but since then have stopped. if you notice, after the initial bait, there is no response at all. the rest of us jump at it like dogs, though.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 30 Jan 2013 09:54

Its only a matter of timing the announcement that remains...

Polls: Modi it is, but when?

The role for Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi in the 2014 polls may well turn out to be the BJP's worst-kept secret. Everybody important in the party thinks that Modi has to be projected as the BJP prime ministerial candidate. However, barring a few top party leaders, nobody knows when his name will be formally declared.

Among themselves, these leaders believe that the “right time” for Modi's anointment should be when the elections are "round the corner".

Whether the polls are held as scheduled in April-May of 2014 or earlier, many BJP leaders would like the announcement of Modi to act as a catalytic change to the political environment.

Any "pre-mature" declaration, argue some BJP strategists, could be counter-productive because it would give Modi's detractors within the BJP and outside enough time to thwart the move.

Also, Modi's ascent could lose its shine if he got bogged down on a "defensive" strategy. "The timing is everything in any election," said a key BJP leader. "But everyone knows what's on the cards. Ever our allies do, perhaps."

Another senior BJP leader told a potential ally, "We will do it just before the elections."

What will be the role of senior BJP patriarch LK Advani? Will he step forward, like former finance minister Yashwant Sinha and eminent lawyer Ram Jethmalani, to openly endorse Modi's candidature?

The RSS, BJP's ideological parent, has already made it clear that it won't be a stumbling block to "whatever it takes (including Modi's candidature)" for the party to win the 2014 polls.

"Neither would the cadres accept any other name, nor would they be enthused to work for anyone else for BJP's victory," a party functionary said.

Nevertheless, the BJP would have to go through a "process" to pick Modi's name, so no feathers are ruffled and "everyone gets a say in selecting the prime ministerial candidate".

In the meantime, Rajnath's immediate challenge lies in reviving the organisation, assuaging RSS backers of Nitin Gadkari and ensuring greater participation of Modi in election campaigns.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 30 Jan 2013 11:26

Countdown to 2014–1

Two new national opinion polls last week indicate that the Congress-led UPA will battle strong incumbency in the next Lok Sabha election. Less clear is which alliance is likely to form the government in 2014.

According to the Headlines Today/India Today-Nielsen poll, the UPA will win between 152 and 162 Lok Sabha seats. The NDA is projected to win between 198 and 208 seats.

In 2014: the electoral math - II, published on December 28, 2012, I had projected 143 seats for the UPA and 196 seats for the NDA. The Headlines Today/India Today-Nielsen projections for the two principal alliances are within 1% of that projection, taking the lower number in the NDA’s projected range, and within 6% of that projection, again taking the lower number in the UPA’s projected range.

How will Rajnath Singh’s appointment as BJP president and Rahul Gandhi’s anointment as vice-president of the Congress – both of which occurred after the Headlines Today/India Today poll was completed – impact the voting pattern?

Rajnath is a largely neutral factor though Nitin Gadkari’s exit will obviously help the BJP in terms of public perception. Rahul’s ascension will give the Congress a small bump. Overall, there may be little significant change in the poll result.

The controversy over Home Minister Sushilkumar Shinde’s comment on “terror camps in the BJP/RSS” could, however, have a negative impact on the Congress-led UPA, consolidating the majority vote behind the BJP-led NDA. The beheading of an Indian soldier across the LoC and the UPA government’s perceived continuing “soft” approach towards Pakistan will reinforce this trend.

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Consider some detailed findings. The Headlines Today/India Today-Nielsen poll gives the BJP 168 seats and the Congress 130, again roughly in consonance with my projections a month ago.

More interestingly, according to the poll, 38% of the respondents pick Narendra Modi as Prime Minister (the highest number among candidates whom respondents were asked to vote on) compared to 22% for Rahul. This was from a broad universe of national candidates. Third-placed L.K. Advani gets 6%, Sushma Swaraj 5%, Sonia Gandhi 5%, Manmohan Singh 4% and Nitish Kumar 2%.

The ABP News-Nielsen poll, conducted in 28 cities among 9,000 respondents, is more direct. In a one-on-one vote, Modi gets 48% to Rahul’s 18%. Equally worryingly for the Congress, in another one-on-one, the BJP gets 36% to the Congress’s 18%. The NDA receives 39% to the UPA’s 22%. This poll too was conducted before Rahul’s anointment, Gadkari’s exit and Rajnath’s appointment as party president.

Most significantly, for those who wonder how much of an electoral surge the BJP will receive if Modi is declared the Prime Ministerial candidate – as Yashwant Sinha proposed yesterday – a Modi-led BJP polls 49%, more than a third higher than a non-Modi-led BJP (36%). When that is translated into voteshare – and hence into seats (which is non-linear) – the Modi-as-PM effect could statistically mean around an extra 30-35 seats nationwide for the BJP.

One interesting facet of the Headlines Today/India Today-Nielsen poll has been missed by most commentators: Given a straight choice between Modi and Rahul, Modi get 57% to Rahul’s 41%.

In the 2009 Lok Sabha election, the Congress won 28.55% voteshare to the BJP’s 18.80%. Assuming Rahul and Modi’s base support stays at those candidate-neutral party levels, the opinion poll shows Modi in a one-on-one receiving three times the BJP’s base vote (57% vs 18.80%) while Rahul receives only one-and-a-half times the Congress’s base vote (41% vs 28.55%).

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 30 Jan 2013 14:26

Arjun wrote:Its only a matter of timing the announcement that remains...

Polls: Modi it is, but when?

BJP should declare Modi as candidate around September-October 2013. Before that concentrate on getting the states in order.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 30 Jan 2013 14:30

If the fear is that an early declaration of candidature of NM would lead to a politically motivated character assassination. Then it becomes all the more important to move surreptitiously and start agitations all over India. That would put Kongis on a back foot and keep them there.

Just whiling away the time will instead embolden the Kongis to try to stage attacks using the media. If the Kongi reaction (through a pliant media) is made to see as merely a reaction and as politically motivated then their high Db can be countered effectively.

Development of a properly conducted agitational politics will also take away the general feeling of frustration that has build up on account of the 'politics of allegations'.

Basically an orgainsation like RSS is only underperforming if it is not staging agitations. Agitations will force Kongis to look venal instead of merely acting venal without looking the part. Somebody has to do something that forces the Kongis to crackdown a la RJM and the people decide to go against Kongis. I am suggesting RJM. Something else.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 30 Jan 2013 14:35

^^^

Anna will be starting his march soon.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 30 Jan 2013 17:06

^^^

Modi needs to attack the appointment of the lokayukta appointed by the Governor of Gujarat in the full bench constitutional court. Cause the original SC judgement has given enough room for Modi to go on the offensive.

Or else his candidacy for the post of PM will be nipped in the bud. In the same way BSY was hounded from the CMs seat.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 30 Jan 2013 17:40

Pratyush ji you have been pointing that out. I agree with you on the hardline apporach in order to kill the possiblity of creation of a precedent of this nature.

But it seems the Modi govt. has decided to not push the matter. This was obviously a political appointment and if this lokayukt tries any hanky panky he will get exposed alongwith the Kongis.

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes ... and-advice

"We will soon implement the Supreme Court judgement on lokayukta," Gujarat law minister Bhupindersinh Chudasama told reporters in Ahmedabad

Though there are mixed signs on the issue. From the same article:

BJP state spokesperson Vijay Rupani said, "Let us get a copy of the Supreme Court verdict. We will study it and then comment."

Also what could be the options for NM in legal terms? Wish there was a lawyer here.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 30 Jan 2013 18:02

Kamal Hassan wants to leave the country? Ha Ha Ha. Rushdie could not come to India because of security concerns. Ashsis Nandy was crucified. The PSEc crowd is getting kicked out of the country by other PSec crows.

WOW! Imagine this! The sickular and PRESSTITUTES cheer anti-national, Paki, ISI, LeT, JuD, NAC, CON MAFIA crowds blaming yindoos and RSS for 26/11 and every terrorist incidence. The sickular crowd is getting picked one by one. They don't even know that they will be eaten alive by the same PAKI crowd and CON MAFIA one by one.

BlackSwan scenario of what happened to native Lebanese in their own country ....

The Patriots need to get ready to fight. The sad truth is the Dhimmified Indians don't even know who their enemy is. The 24x7 campaign of Upper caste vs OBC vs SC, Hindu vs Muslim by sickular and PRESSTITUTES to aid the ITALIAN MAFIA made Indians brain dead. Will they wake up in time?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 255485.cms

Earlier in the day, Kamal Haasan said he is ready to cut a few scenes from his movie 'Vishwaroopam'.

"My Muslim family has reached out to me. They came and told me which portions they want removed, they told me the scenes they wanted cut and the words of Quran they wanted removed. They told me which are the scenes that would offend and could be removed," said the actor, who was flanked by Congress leader J M Haroon, lyricist Vairamuthu, and several film personalities.

An emotional Kamal Haasan said that he is thinking of leaving Tamil Nadu for some other secular state in India as the problems over his movie Vishwaroopam's release continued.

"I will look at all the states from Kashmir to Kerala excluding Tamil Nadu. If I don't find one which is secular, I will leave for another country. M F Hussain had to leave, now Haasan will have to," said the actor, whose movie's release was stopped by TN state government authorities last week after a few Muslim groups protested.

He still does not get it.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 30 Jan 2013 19:00

from twitter:

‏@ravighiyar Ab, Sukhbir Badal backs Modi as NDA's PM candidate, says Akalis with BJP in its decision http://bit.ly/11eggzL #NaMo4PM chorus getting wider

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 30 Jan 2013 20:26

ravi_g wrote: Also what could be the options for NM in legal terms? Wish there was a lawyer here.

Unless the 9 bench constitutional bench upholds the appointment. Modi must not relent. He needs to wage total war of annihilation on the guverner / lokayukta. As his appointment by the governor was not in keeping with the letter of the lokayukta act. Still the minor SC bench uplheld the appointment. It must be challenged in the constitutional bench on the land. As it has become a constitutional matter now.

If the BJP fails to do so. Then they are not really interested in winning 2014.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 30 Jan 2013 20:40

vijayk wrote: He still does not get it.

That is why it is better to leave these idiots to their fate... I wish someone questions Mr. Khan's beliefs for some of them could hurt minority feelings

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 30 Jan 2013 23:26

Unless there is concern of early polls I don't see the hurry to declare anyone PM? Why the rush ~18 months in advance?

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 31 Jan 2013 00:02

ramana wrote:Unless there is concern of early polls I don't see the hurry to declare anyone PM? Why the rush ~18 months in advance?

Yep. That will only help PAID MEDIA to start attacking Modi and new Lokpal in Gujarat to start hounding Modi.
But I wish Modi start his Vivekananda Yatra all over India state by state and spread his message.

apoorv · Post by **apoorv** » 31 Jan 2013 00:35

Modiji is calling the shots in BJP now, or so it seems. He met Vasundhara Raje in morning. By the night she is set to become BJP president in Rajasthan.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 31 Jan 2013 01:23

Except for Nitish, every other ally will support Modi. Uddav's Sushma is just some passing comment.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 31 Jan 2013 01:29

Didn't Sushma Swaraj declare for Modi earlier?

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 31 Jan 2013 01:29

How about zonal PM model? NEWS model? we have done it with math since adi shankara. I am sure this would bring the flora and fauna of modism to mainstream thoughts where, it would be all about who is donning and sharing pie piece for growth and prosperity rather political divides for seat sharing.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 31 Jan 2013 02:05

RajeshA wrote:BJP should declare Modi as candidate around September-October 2013. Before that concentrate on getting the states in order.

Doesn't matter what tactics are used. Not even Obama was polling 57% to 41% against Romney. If Rahul manages to become PM in such a scenario, it will be clear a new constitution is needed.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 31 Jan 2013 02:16

apoorv wrote:Modiji is calling the shots in BJP now, or so it seems. He met Vasundhara Raje in morning. By the night she is set to become BJP president in Rajasthan.

In partnership with RNS, NaMo does get a free-hand to put into place state BJP Presidents that he thinks would help win votes. And by having state BJP Presidents on his side, he practically can fully override BJP's Parliamentarian power-brokers. If after a meeting with him, Vasundhara Raje does become Rajasthan BJP President, then many state honchos would be making a bee-line to NaMo.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 31 Jan 2013 03:05

vera_k wrote:
RajeshA wrote:BJP should declare Modi as candidate around September-October 2013. Before that concentrate on getting the states in order.
Doesn't matter what tactics are used. Not even Obama was polling 57% to 41% against Romney. If Rahul manages to become PM in such a scenario, it will be clear a new constitution is needed.

My friend, all three recent polls that came out are pure urban india centric surveys. The 41 for rahul in urban india is very high and a fudged number, if you average all surveys it is more like 25%. Rahul will be neck to neck in rural india, where congress has invested so much effort to create a lazy entitlement society. I think the nielson survey includes rural areas? Anybody had a copy of that survey?

pentaiah · Post by **pentaiah** » 31 Jan 2013 03:31

BhairavP wrote:^Read up on the history of the SS, it was basically backed by the Congis to destroy the Commie trade unions in Bombay mills.. most definitely a Congie B-team, IMO. In fact, if the BJP had the ba**s, they would ditch the SS and go straight with the MNS + RPI.. NCP would mostly join them as well.

It was also to check mate Cong losing TN to DK DMK.

Congress will stoop to any low by dividing the country into catses, religions, (the latest divisive instrument is Hindu Terror)
from Kashmir To kanyakumari from Gujrat to NE congress has seeded divisive forces and reaping the loot

AGP, Nagaland groups, Gorkha land, Telengana, Anand Margis, ....

you name it they did it.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 31 Jan 2013 04:01

why can't these be well documented and made aware to general public? if not, how will they know about counter political agenda.. there are certain things if crosses the normal thresholds for country's security and long term well being, even the best of the cream should be put on the podium and ashamed, or perhaps sent to jail. Unless there is a stronger force to correct, the corrections will not happen.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 31 Jan 2013 04:37

Nielson is pure urban 8000 odd voters in 28 cities

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 31 Jan 2013 05:47

fanne wrote:Nielson is pure urban 8000 odd voters in 28 cities

Thank you, i am not sure why all survey agencies do only urban survey, or are they hiding rural data?

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 31 Jan 2013 05:56

muraliravi wrote:
fanne wrote:Nielson is pure urban 8000 odd voters in 28 cities
Thank you, i am not sure why all survey agencies do only urban survey, or are they hiding rural data?

Usually has to do with money and comfort.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 31 Jan 2013 06:32

Virupaksha wrote:
muraliravi wrote: Usually has to do with money and comfort.

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At least one survey on AP that is posted here or Election thread from a website is from some of recycled numbers from 2011.

Like for Narada, time ceases for them.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 31 Jan 2013 06:35

Gear up for the battle
Ashok Malik in HT. Good read.

By itself can this negative sentiment take the BJP to power? Recent opinion polls say that the Congress is losing ground and the BJP is inching ahead, but do not suggest any definitive and preordained victory. Rather, they point to a 1996-like election verdict, where the Congress slips and the BJP gains but not enough to authoritatively run a government. There is a difference — and these are random numbers — between a national party winning 155 and 185 Lok Sabha seats.What will the Congress’ strategy be?[...]Tactically, Rahul can aim to ensure that the BJP doesn’t win even if the Congress loses, and the leading Opposition party doesn’t get those 20 or 30 extra seats even if it finishes the single-largest party.

Granted, the BJP has a limited geographical footprint. Even so, to maximise its seats in the states where it matters — and where it competes directly with the Congress in a bipolar, sometimes presidential contest — it cannot avoid putting up the leader there is a groundswell for. The alternative to Narendra Modi is no alternative at all.

Indian elections are often likened to the Mahabharata. It is worth noting that at Kurukshetra, Arjuna was the Pandava army’s foremost warrior but not its commander-in-chief. That role went to Dhrishtadyumna, Draupadi’s brother. The BJP has just found itself its Dhrishtadyumna for 2014. He needs to facilitate the path for Arjuna.

Nice analogies and all. Agree largely with the analysis and prescriptions. If EVM magic doesn't come into play, there's a fighting chance for bjp to become the single largest party and plan for going the distance in mid-term polls by 2016 odd.