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vijayk wrote:^^ Look at suhasini haidar. Her husband's family, good friends of VP Hamid Ansari(we know all about this scumbag who gave up Raa agents to Iran) are also close to several Pakis and Paki diplomats. It is not like they dont know Akis and paki attitude. It is just that she doesn't want them to be so open because I am sure she has been with these scums many times.
As TFTA Ayub Khan said in '65, the buggers have spilled the beans. For all to see.
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@SBajwa thank you for the JnK history. This is why I keep reading BRF.
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pankajs wrote:Too many people worried about re-hype-wahatever. We need to get out of that mental prison.
It's about differential power projection and the attempt to degrade India to the paki level by doing the equal equal to the paki benefit and our detriment.

possessing nukes is just one variable in a very complex mix

the pakis are not our equals in any way.

The amerikis often try this tactic to justify their pronounced leanings toward the pakis especially in weapon sales and unjustified financial support for their alleged "war on terror"
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What America does it its choice and what we do is our choice. Just because America farts something does not make it the gospel truth.
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Meanwhile from The Hindu:
Restrictions eased in most areas of Kashmir
However, mobile and internet services were suspended for the 18th day. barricades being lifted and the movement of people and traffic increasing gradually, but markets remained shut and mobile and internet services suspended for the 18th day on Thursday. Situation was peaceful and no untoward incident was reported from anywhere in the Kashmir Valley on Wednesday.
In view of the improving situation, the movement of people and traffic was slowly increasing in the city and other district headquarters of the Valley, they said.
Public transport stayed off the roads, but a few inter-district cabs and auto-rickshaws were seen plying in some areas.
The attendance of teachers in schools up to middle class-level and employees in government offices was also improving. However, most students stayed away due to the prevailing situation, they added. The government ordered the reopening of primary schools across the Valley from Monday and middle schools from Wednesday.
The officials said restrictions have been eased in several areas of Kashmir, including in most parts of Srinagar.
Barricades have been removed from uptown and civil lines areas of the city as well as from most areas in other districts. However, the deployment of security forces continues to avoid any law and order problems, they said.
The officials said markets were shut in most places in the Valley, as they have been since August 5.
Shops and other business establishments remain shut though there is no strike call by any separatist group or other organisation.
Mobile services and internet remain suspended, the officials said, adding that landline telephone services have been restored at most places. However, they continue to be suspended in several areas, including in Srinagar’s commercial hub of Lal Chowk and Press Enclave.
Moral: Want to throw stones? Stay in Stone Age.

Day 18: Situation Naarmal.
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BTW, the pic accompanying that shows a whole family (3 generations) riding on one scooter. The driver has no helmet. Such a law-abiding community! Classic Darwin Award people.
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pankajs wrote:What America does it its choice and what we do is our choice. Just because America farts something does not make it the gospel truth.
so, after balakot, the amerikis once again reopening the F-16 spares pipeline to the pakis is merely a fart
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Is that "rehyphenation"?

Since you are interested in physical realm, Will that enable PAF == IAF?
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@SBajwaJi, How do you know so much and in detail ? Thank you for sharing !
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chetak wrote:
pankajs wrote:What America does it its choice and what we do is our choice. Just because America farts something does not make it the gospel truth.
so, after balakot, the amerikis once again reopening the F-16 spares pipeline to the pakis is merely a fart
Question I would ask is: was there something India could have / should have done that would have prevented this?

A normal country would note the development and factor it into its decision making. India is a normal country now, to my shock and delight.
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KLNMurthy wrote:@SBajwa thank you for the JnK history. This is why I keep reading BRF.
Indeed, Fascinating read. Thank you Bajwa Ji.
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I was reading sbajwaji's history lesson and this stuck out:
The congregation prayer on Friday, at the main mosque was banned as it attracted mass gathering and it could potentially be used to incite or instigate a revolt against the government. In hindsight it was not a smart move.
Far ahead of their times. And this was in the days even before they had hydrocarbon buses to burn! (JUST KIDDING, no fatwas pls!!)
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SBajwaji's history lesson is a keeper and an eye-opener. Thank you very much!
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PORKis whining:
Khan told VICE News that since Modi’s move on Aug. 5, there’s been an upsurge in violence.
“It has become routine here. People dying here day by day. You can find there is more bombardment from India, there are more fighters, there’s more targeted killings from the Indian side,” Khan said.
IOW, the right targets are being "neutralized".
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Anujan wrote:
IndraD wrote:@khamenei_ir https://twitter.com/khamenei_ir/status/ ... 9894953984
We’re concerned about Muslims’ situation in #Kashmir. We have good relations with India, but we expect the Indian government to adopt a just policy towards the noble people of Kashmir and prevent the oppression & bullying of Muslims in this region.
:shock:
Iran's supreme leader has issued many hostile statements about India vis-a-vis JK
I think Modi should and is ignoring all these statements as it is just hot air with no impact. In paaltiks as someone said, one needs to address multiple audiences with conflicting interests. Lots of H&D massages.

Only action counts. Modi is above twitter taunting as we saw with Dimran's rants.
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pankajs wrote:Is that "rehyphenation"?

Since you are interested in physical realm, Will that enable PAF == IAF?
This is a self inflicted wound. By this time the IAF should have had over 25 squadrons of the LCA Tejas. The skies of western India should have been buzzing about with LCAs.
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https://twitter.com/margotwallstrom/sta ... 1154852866
Margot Wallström @margotwallstrom

Worrying situation in Jammu and Kashmir. In a telephone call today with Pakistan’s FM H.E. Shah Mahmood Qureshi I stressed that the EU, incl. Sweden, supports a bilateral political solution between India and Pakistan over Kashmir, dialogue through diplomatic channels is crucial.
Note two strands in this statement too.

1. Expresses "worry" to pacify the NGOs and bakis.
2. Backs GOI by calling for a "bilateral" solution between India and Bakistan on J&K in general. No reference to the recent action on A.370/35A.
3. Calls for dialog between India and Bakistan. This is standard.

While the bakis might claim victory and our anti-Modi brigade might use this to diss Modi because of the fluff, the fact is it endorses Indian stand on the "bilateral" nature of the resolution. The other stuff is fluff added to please other constituencies at home and abroad.

No reference to any human right, A.370/35A revocation, etc. One must learn to separate the wheat from the chaff and not over-react. Countries have to balance multiple constituencies and fluff is to be expected. Very carefully worded.
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KJo wrote:
Anujan wrote:
Iran's supreme leader has issued many hostile statements about India vis-a-vis JK
I think Modi should and is ignoring all these statements as it is just hot air with no impact. In paaltiks as someone said, one needs to address multiple audiences with conflicting interests. Lots of H&D massages.

Only action counts. Modi is above twitter taunting as we saw with Dimran's rants.
Iran has a lot of khujli about India's relationship with Israel. Do not forget that Iran intelligence bombed an Israeli diplomat's car in Indian soil.
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I suspect there is a certain amount of ideological confusion.

1. For those who want "azaadi" presence/absence of article 370 is irrelevant. I mean that they can hardly say - "our demand is restore 370", can they?
2. Likewise for statehood. "Give us back statehood" doesn't go well with "give us azaadi".
3. "Give us back Ladakh", i.e, give control of Ladakh back to Kashmir Valley Muslim majority, isn't good PR either for the azaadi movement. They can hardly say with a straight face, free us from Indian control but give us control of Ladakh. (Not that a straight face is a requirement for these people.)

The only real basis for a protest is this position: "we are Indian citizens aggrieved that our statehood has been taken away from us". But that protest grants the basic premise - "we are Indian citizens". Once that is conceded without any mental reservations, GOI will be happy to entertain their demands.

PS: the same (1., 2., 3.) holds for the "Kashmir banega Pakistan" crowd.
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The bakis are up to their usual tricks ... inserting all the key talking points from the bakis wish list

http://colombogazette.com/2019/08/22/pr ... kistan-hc/
President’s office denies parts of statement by Pakistan HC
“The President gave a careful hearing to the Pakistan High Commissioner’s views and stated that both India and Pakistan have excellent friendly relations with Sri Lanka and Sri Lanka’s interest is to see the growth of regional cooperation and friendship. The President did not make any other comment on the issues pertaining to India and Pakistan,” the President’s Media Division said.

The statement by the Pakistan High Commission had quoted the President as saying that at the meeting the President had acknowledged that Jammu and Kashmir is a disputed territory and expressed his desire that this dispute should be resolved according to wishes of Kashmiris under UN Resolutions.

The statement had also quoted the President as saying that the resolution of the Kashmir issue is essential for permanent peace and stability in the region.

The Pakistan High Commission said the President had also offered Sri Lanka’s mediation and facilitation of dialogue between Pakistan and India to re-activate the SAARC forum.
Wah janab!
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A_GuptaJi, good points, and I have been pondering over the same.

But here is the kicker. There is always 'intent' Vs stated position.

My opinion and substantiated with what I see on the ground: For the 'azaadi' crowd, meaning a substantial part of the KMs, 370 formed the crux of their secessionist strategy.

Meaning, while they cannot state that overtly for the reasons you articulated above, but what is unsaid is that they will settle for pre-1953 autonomy BS, meaning India has just a fig leaf sovereignty over the valley.

Even TSP would have been happy. Why? Because the valley KMs would have given them a say in the affairs of the valley. Which pretty much means India is cut off all but symbolically. Moreover, both KMs and TSP would welcome Indian goodies flowing into the valley.

Even Indian opposition would have been happy? Why? Because 'joint sovereignty' is manifestation of their glorious idea of 'secularism' which "Hindu extremists" oppose.

So buy withdrawing 307, ModiJI pulled the sole trump card of the KM TSP combine to negotiate a Kashmir solution through 'talks' that would have effectively means valley seceding from India.

Last, but not the least, I might add that this is also Uncle's solution. And I have heard this from many of the Kashmir related talks and conferences I have attended in US where former US ambys and other heavyweights participated. Namely, autonomy is the solution and 'both' India & TSP have a stake in Kashmir. One of Uncle most prominent brown-skinned mouthpieces, Fareed Zakariah, had stated this in one of his talks.

Finally, while publicly, US's statements post 370 removal may not have been very critical of India, their positions have been wishy washy. And certainly USA's mouthpieces like NYT/WP etc media have gone hammer and tongs on ModiJi.
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Vikas wrote:@SBajwaJi, How do you know so much and in detail ? Thank you for sharing !
More important read the lessons learned and make sure they are not repeated in integration of Kashmir.

I note the effective governors and long duration but were all undermined by durbar politics at Lahore Court. need to ensure such things don't repeat.
Also the so called bad governors were trying reform too fast and had some bad rapport with the valley residents.
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^^^ So our message perhaps has to be that "autonomy" in this context is "Islamization" and there is no democratic right to Islamization.
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First, Google search under the term "Kashmir" (should be "Cash-More" per Baki aspirations):

Booby Prize goes to Voice of America (a revered CIA propagandoo channel has slid to such depths? Tut-tut):
"Kashmir Tourism Suffers"
(Fewer Tourists from Muzzafarabad and Muridke coming across Yellow Sea!) :((

So, Day 19: SITUATION NAAAAAARMAL.

Now for the tamasha. The Bakis and their panthankarayas have really got entangled in their own mijjiles:

1. Cash-More is Disputed Territory. Pakistan wants to dispute it.
2. Cash-More has been under Indian Colonial Repression for 72 years.
3. Cash-More has the Highest Human Development Index in the whole Dunia, far higher than rest of sdre India.
4. So Cash-more does not need any Development. Enjoying Colonial Repression
5. So Article 370 must be kept, which starts with "Jammu-Kashmir being an Integral Part of the Union of India.."
6. So India should restore Internet and Mobile Phone so that ISI can communicate with its agints in Cash-More saying:
Woods are lovely dark and deep, but you have promises to keep. And IEDS to blow b4 u sleep, Abdul, IEDS to blow b4 u sleep!"
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{* For those not familiar, watch "TELEFON" starring Charles bin Bronson}
7. Situation is getting desperate because 18 days have gone by, NO successful attacks at all.
8. Tried rushing full fauj of Jihad to LOC, but Indian artillery has been pulverizing them.
9. India must TALK about handing CashMore over.
10. To facilitate TALKS, Pakistan has expelled Indian High Commissioner.
11. Sweden, Sri Lanka, Fiji, Nauru and all other SuperPowers are telling Pakistan to hold Bilateral Talks. But no High Commissioner to talk to!! :(( :((

And cruelest cut of all, it turns out that Tarrel and Deepel Fiend's only concern is worry over future of Aksai Chin and Ceded Tellitoly. :mrgreen:
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CRS, Even the angst on Sikh rule is to retain the Muslim nature of the Valley or separateness.
Somnath noted on Twitter that even though Dogra rule is hated by the Kashmiri separatists they revere the Kashmiriyat laws passed in 1920s.

I think by integrating J&K to India, NaMo has closed the chapter of separateness and really implemented the 1993 PVNR resolution on Kashmir is integral part of India.

It has taken over 20 years to finally complete the process started then.
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opin ... -hypocrisy
OPINION
Pakistan's Kashmir hypocrisy
by Michael Rubin, August 22, 2019 12:17 PM
On Aug. 5, 2019, Indian President Ram Nath Kovind formally revoked Article 370 of the Indian constitution which protected Kashmir’s special status and tightened the Indian central government’s grip over the Muslim-majority region.
Pakistan has roundly and repeatedly condemned India’s move on Kashmir. Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan said that Pakistan would “teach India a lesson,” and promised to “fight until the end.” Put aside the fact that India likely never would have changed the status quo had it not been for decades of overt Pakistan-sponsored terrorism. Terrorism is a tactic the states use to achieve aims at a relatively low cost. In this case, the Pakistani gamble backfired, and Khan, as well as Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence, have no one but themselves to blame. Lost in the Pakistani criticism of India’s actions, however, is recognition of Pakistan’s own hypocrisy. For four and a half decades before India revoked Article 370, Pakistan stripped both Gilgit-Baltistan and Azad Kashmir (as Pakistan calls the portion it occupies) of their special status.
The root of the Kashmir question rests in the 1947 partition of India. The princely state’s leaders chose to join India, a move supported by the region’s Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, and many of its Muslims. Other Kashmiri Muslims, however, wanted to join Pakistan. Still others would have preferred outright independence, although this was not an option offered. The nascent Pakistani state responded by invading — first with irregular Pashtun tribesmen and then more formally with the Pakistani army, eventually occupying about 30% of the region. A UN ceasefire established a line-of-control solidifying Kashmir’s division and UN Security Council Resolution 47 called for a referendum to resolve the dispute. That referendum never happened and, despite multiple pledges to resolve the problem diplomatically, successive Pakistani governments sponsored terrorist groups to strike into India and twice, in 1965 and 1999, unsuccessfully started wars after seeking military to alter the line-of-control.
Pakistan gained control of Gilgit-Baltistan, previously called the Northern Areas and part of Jammu & Kashmir in October 1947, after the new Pakistani government infiltrated irregulars into the region.
Just as Pakistan partisans today say Kashmir’s inclusion in India is illegitimate because, it claims, the Kashmiri people never accepted Maharaja Hari Singh’s decision to join India, most of the people of Gilgit-Baltistan opposed British Major W. A. Brown’s decision to have Gilgit-Baltistan join Pakistan. Pakistan completed the evisceration of Gilgit’s popular will in the then-secret Karachi Agreement of Apr. 28, 1949, wherein the Azad Kashmir government ceded complete defense and foreign affairs control over Gilgit-Baltistan to Pakistan, a move never approved by the population of Gilgit-Baltistan. The International Crisis Group — generally no friend to India and other democracies — confirmed the persisting unpopularity of the Karachi Agreement and Pakistani rule in the region.
Pakistani occupation of Gilgit-Baltistan appears illegal, even under Pakistani law. In 1992, the Azad Kashmir High Court ordered the Azad Kashmir government to assume control of Gilgit-Baltistan since it found that Gilgit-Baltistan was part of Jammu and Kashmir. Article 257 of the Pakistani constitution, meanwhile, confirmed that Jammu and Kashmir is a disputed territory which does not belong to Pakistan.
The hypocrisy continues: In 1974, Pakistan abrogated the State Subject Rule in Gilgit-Baltistan as part of the process Islamabad initiated to change demography by transferring Sunni Muslims into what had been a predominantly Shiite-dominated region. While politics hamper accurate censuses, in 1948, the Gilgit-Baltistan region was at least 85% Shiite and Ismaili Shiite; after the 1974 State Subject Rule abrogation, the region is only 50% Shiite.
The Pakistani government has in recent years sought to blunt criticism of what, in effect, is its colonial attitude toward Gilgit-Baltistan. The 2009 Gilgit-Baltistan Self-Governance Order, for example, feigned local empowerment, but real decision-making ability remains with the appointed governor rather than the chief minister or elected assembly. Likewise, while the Gilgit Baltistan Order of 2018 in theory transferred powers to the Gilgit-Baltistan Legislative Assembly, vested extraordinary powers remain with the Prime Minister of Pakistan who retains final say on all legislation and regional policies.
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What I want to see is a rapid demographic change in, say, Soura and Baramulla. Ship out stone-throwers, motorycle-based terror-threateners and families, ship in people with the will to stay the course. Once these places turn saffron, the message may go out to other areas: Get rid of your terrorist neighbors or experience the same. At minimum, Internet/MobilePhone on-off and Curfew every couple of weeks. Body searches and Millimeter Wave Detectors every 500m.
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A_Gupta wrote:^^^ So our message perhaps has to be that "autonomy" in this context is "Islamization" and there is no democratic right to Islamization.
YES and boldy YES. But I doubt any Indian leader including ModiJi can boldly that when we are trying to assuage KM anger post 370 revocation. In fact, the entire 'international' and domestic opposition to ModiJi's decision does not even mention that fact.
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^^ Mullah Rubin really laid it into them, didn't he? I think Dimran's attempt to con DT and the standard Paki attitude that if someone actually agrees to be seen with them that means they slept with them, backfired big-time. Now all anti-DTs are rushing to point out that DT is a fool, and Terroristan is the enemy. Think about it. If Dimran had stayed in pindi then DT would sooner or later have come out supporting yindoos and then all these ppl would be about India
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UlanBatori wrote:What I want to see is a rapid demographic change in, say, Soura and Baramulla. Ship out stone-throwers, motorycle-based terror-threateners and families, ship in people with the will to stay the course. Once these places turn saffron, the message may go out to other areas: Get rid of your terrorist neighbors or experience the same. At minimum, Internet/MobilePhone on-off and Curfew every couple of weeks. Body searches and Millimeter Wave Detectors every 500m.
Remember the poem:
If I should die, think only this of me:
That there's some corner of a foreign field
That is for ever England.
Going by the same logic, those units of the Indian army that have lost soldiers should be given state land for their retired soldiers to settle in. They should be allowed to bear arms to protect themselves. This should be enshrined in the constitution: Any area that has lost Indian soldiers defending it, belongs forever to India and this can not be bartered away ever anytime in future. If they want it back they will just have to fight for it.
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Srinagar needs a Peace and Freedom Park. The Soura nbd seems a good place to develop it, starting with a fleet of bulldozers. Among the many statues to be put there can be one of the Unknown BBC Journalist, standing with all 10 thumbs up their musharraf.

Baramulla of course has seen so much combat, another Peace Park needed.
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A Winter Olympics in Kashmir?
The voting for the site of the 2030 Winter Olympics is in 2023.
(Maybe I'm thinking too big? but Modi Hai Tho Mumkin Hai)
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Half the Paki contingent will be terrorists from GB. BTW, Pakis are still pushing the line on YouTube about Soura being "in siege". Sounds like the plans for Park + public pakistans + cricket Stadium with massive parking lot, are essential, though being Pakis they are probably 99% lies.
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I didn't know "Barramulla" where the Varaaha Avatar dug up the earth.
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That requires a subterranean exhibit with a large park.
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UlanBatori wrote:Srinagar needs a Peace and Freedom Park. The Soura nbd seems a good place to develop it, starting with a fleet of bulldozers. Among the many statues to be put there can be one of the Unknown BBC Journalist, standing with all 10 thumbs up their musharraf.

Baramulla of course has seen so much combat, another Peace Park needed.
With a 100m tall statue of Shankaracharya who defined the 4 corners of the country, and pavillions dedicated to the greats - Kashyap muni, Ramanujacharya, Bhaskaracharya and Guru Nanak.
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chacha laid down the red carpet and the pakis walked all over it even though they were never invited.

but then we were so short sighted that we refused to see the pakis within


twitter

'Narendra Modi has buried Nehru's India'! Never imagined it would come to this--Pak foreign minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi laments the death of Nehru's India. If they miss it while we don't care it's obvious who it benefited the most.
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g.sarkar wrote:
UlanBatori wrote:What I want to see is a rapid demographic change in, say, Soura and Baramulla. Ship out stone-throwers, motorycle-based terror-threateners and families, ship in people with the will to stay the course. Once these places turn saffron, the message may go out to other areas: Get rid of your terrorist neighbors or experience the same. At minimum, Internet/MobilePhone on-off and Curfew every couple of weeks. Body searches and Millimeter Wave Detectors every 500m.
Remember the poem:
If I should die, think only this of me:
That there's some corner of a foreign field
That is for ever England.
Going by the same logic, those units of the Indian army that have lost soldiers should be given state land for their retired soldiers to settle in. They should be allowed to bear arms to protect themselves. This should be enshrined in the constitution: Any area that has lost Indian soldiers defending it, belongs forever to India and this can not be bartered away ever anytime in future. If they want it back they will just have to fight for it.
Gautam
This was my suggestion to the gaarmint. Compensate slain Kashmir cops and armed forces even pandits by awarding land in secure conclaves The properties should have high security and be strategically close to the highway and resources. They should be allowed to draw rent if they don't live there. The stone pelting neighborhoods should be cordoned off. and be allowed full azadi to go back to the Stone Age.
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ramana wrote:
Vikas wrote:@SBajwaJi, How do you know so much and in detail ? Thank you for sharing !
More important read the lessons learned and make sure they are not repeated in integration of Kashmir.
I note the effective governors and long duration but were all undermined by durbar politics at Lahore Court. need to ensure such things don't repeat.
Also the so called bad governors were trying reform too fast and had some bad rapport with the valley residents.
Absolutely, you hit the nail on the head.
Durbar politics was alive and kicking even after 1947 when Lahore Durbar got replaced by Delhi Durbaar and Punjabi Governors got replaced by Kashmiri Muslims resulting in the game of musical chairs and who could loot more and faster.
One of the lessons learnt (atleast for me) is that if you treat people as special, They start believing in their Special-ness and exclusivity. Treat them fair but treat them normal.

If you look at how stock markets work, Once a trader starts losing money, He tries to save his principal capital and cut down on losses as much as possible.

I am wondering if in few months, KM's and their sponsors would be bargaining to get 370/35-A back and let go of Azadi in lieu. As of now, they have lost Azadi as well 370 and in the chaos, have got direct Amit Shah rule over them.
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The Tangled Web of Kashmir (Must Read)
The re-arrest of Shah Faesal certainly made headlines. But like all things Kashmir, save for Rahul Pandita, not one “experienced Kashmir hand” had the temerity to ask, the most relevant questions: Why had Shah Faesal and Shehla Rashid, both of whom had been detained within 24 hours of the abrogation of article 370, been released, allowed to travel to Delhi, tweet implied calls to violence and/or travel abroad. If you understand the answers to these you understand the answers to Kashmir.
To understand the genesis of this problem we have to go back to then IB special director Dulat’s approach. He firmly believed that money could corrupt. He rather successfully used the cash reserves afforded to him to buy out terrorists leaders. This accounts for the fact that virtually every mall in Srinagar which is not owned by the Mafiaesque patronage networks of the Abdullahs and Muftis is owned by these former separatist leaders. At the time it was brilliant tactic, but like all tactics, countermeasures were devised immediately. The net effect of these countermeasures was that it was not just the IB corrupting the ideological separatists, but the money deeply corrupted the IB and Kashmir police
Realising that the JKP an IB’s pockets were inexhaustible, the purchased Kashmiri leaders started playing double games. They would in order to keep receiving money play the IB-JKP off against the ISI, taking money from both, but mostly doing Pakistan’s bidding. When one of these corrupt “leaders” would inflame a crowd, JKP & IB officers ( and make no mistake Dulat started this scam) would always in their justificatory notes explain how this was a “master strategy” that they had concocted to give legitimacy and salience to this particular leader when in fact the only thing they were looking for was a large multi crore government handout, of which they’d keep between 50 to 90% and pass on the rest to said leader to shut him up. This was a cycle the benefited both the separatist leaders & IB+JKP, the more extortionate the “leaders” demands became, the bigger the cut for the IB+JKP. the only people outside this loop were Omar & Mehbooba whose genuine mass support was effectively a feudal edifice built on local patronage extracted from the centre at a government to government level rather than informal central government payouts.
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