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Highly cogent analysis as usual from Minhaz...This fact is a keeper:
In 1996, “pariah Vajpayee”, with 161 Lok Sabha seats, couldn’t get allies for longer than 13 days. In 1998, with 182 seats, he won the support of 24 allies. Those 21 extra seats won hearts, not Vajpayee’s sudden shift to the centre of Indian politics.
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munna wrote:
muraliravi wrote:Munna Ji, Any inside news of bjp-marandi alliance.
I don't know any more than a lay person but the structural factor (Loh Purush) that was hurting Marandi stands considerably weakened so there is no major obstacle now.
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Arjun wrote:Highly cogent analysis as usual from Minhaz...This fact is a keeper:

In 1996, “pariah Vajpayee”, with 161 Lok Sabha seats, couldn’t get allies for longer than 13 days. In 1998, with 182 seats, he won the support of 24 allies. Those 21 extra seats won hearts, not Vajpayee’s sudden shift to the centre of Indian politics.
A truthful statement. Indian regional, sub regional parties are all just dandha. It is the carrots and stick that work and has nothing to do with secularism and communalism, Modi, Advani, Vajpayee etc. Only for rhetoric, fornt-end discussion purposes they keep taking those terms.

Even the anti-cola George Fernandez is part of historic disinvestment government of NDA. All these socialists are part of the same massive privatization. The great anti-north-anti-hindi-anti-Aryan DMK was part of NDA to keep their arch-rival Jaya out. The only real ideological groups are Left and purer-Muslim parties such as MIM who are opposed to BJP at any cost. For them Modi or even Shahnawaz Hussain doesn't make any difference.

It is a myth to attribute everything Vajpayee. All it needs is either BJP gets 175+ or Congress gets less than 125 - BJP led NDA/some new name will form the government. Modi is simply not a factor for getting alliances or losing alliances.

Modi is only a factor for BJP to get more votes and seats. If BJP closes its ranks and work as unified entity rest will fall in place. Even after having internal elections, surveys, moods and when everything is pointing to Modi, the party is still showing disunity. That will be the only reason for a potential UPA-3. Modi-polarization, Mod's inexperience to rule center(most hilarious), Modi-this and Modi-that is all internal broth and has nothing to do with alliances.
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I apologize, if posted before, from rediff:
Ishrat Jahan killed in cold blood, encounter fake: CBI
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From twitter... point to note...

‏@MRVChennai 16m
Food security ordinance - Is the Govt advancing General elections? Does it want to cut losses? Elections B4 NaMo Peaks?

Menwhile more tactical brilliance from the Cong party...

Congress plans ‘divide & rule’ in MP
The Congress will play the Narendra Modi card in the Madhya Pradesh Assembly polls to fan the factional fights in the ruling BJP and check the chief minister Shivraj Singh Chouhan.
It plans to build up the election campaign on the theme of “A vote for the BJP will be a vote for Narendra Modi to become the PM.” This was revealed by a Congress strategist.
“Narendra Modi is not the only PM candidate in the BJP as Shivraj Singh Chouhan too is in the race. If Modi could play the PM candidate card in the Gujarat Assembly polls why not Chouhan?” he asked. But Mr Modi failed to retain the BJP’s numbers in the Gujarat Assembly despite playing the PM card, he pointed out.
[...]
If the Congress insiders are to be believed, Mr Modi will certainly play games in Madhya Pradesh and Rajasthan polls to prove that Mr Chouhan and former chief minister Vasundhara Raje are lesser than him in stature.
Mr Modi knows very well that if Mr Chouhan retains power for a third time consecutively and Ms Raje comes back to power then they will not toe his line, could go with Mr Advani, they said. Mr Chouhan will replace many sitting BJP MLAs to check the anti-incumbency factor. But then they would turn rebel. This could certainly help Congress in the elections, the Congress leaders said while conceding that the Congress too will have to replace a large number of sitting MLAs this time.
Wow. Only.
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venug wrote:I apologize, if posted before, from rediff:
Ishrat Jahan killed in cold blood, encounter fake: CBI

CBI is completetly politicised. Do they want Isharat Jahan to succced in her mission? Is that the afsooz ki baat that her gang got killed beofre they could do their deed?

As a first step of good governance CBI has to be rid of these INC pliant officials and then made independent. If the reverse is done they they will becoem like the EC!
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Hari Seldon wrote:From twitter... point to note...

‏@MRVChennai 16m
Food security ordinance - Is the Govt advancing General elections? Does it want to cut losses? Elections B4 NaMo Peaks?

Menwhile more tactical brilliance from the Cong party...

Congress plans ‘divide & rule’ in MP
The Congress will play the Narendra Modi card in the Madhya Pradesh Assembly polls to fan the factional fights in the ruling BJP and check the chief minister Shivraj Singh Chouhan.
It plans to build up the election campaign on the theme of “A vote for the BJP will be a vote for Narendra Modi to become the PM.” This was revealed by a Congress strategist.
“Narendra Modi is not the only PM candidate in the BJP as Shivraj Singh Chouhan too is in the race. If Modi could play the PM candidate card in the Gujarat Assembly polls why not Chouhan?” he asked. But Mr Modi failed to retain the BJP’s numbers in the Gujarat Assembly despite playing the PM card, he pointed out.
[...]
If the Congress insiders are to be believed, Mr Modi will certainly play games in Madhya Pradesh and Rajasthan polls to prove that Mr Chouhan and former chief minister Vasundhara Raje are lesser than him in stature.
Mr Modi knows very well that if Mr Chouhan retains power for a third time consecutively and Ms Raje comes back to power then they will not toe his line, could go with Mr Advani, they said. Mr Chouhan will replace many sitting BJP MLAs to check the anti-incumbency factor. But then they would turn rebel. This could certainly help Congress in the elections, the Congress leaders said while conceding that the Congress too will have to replace a large number of sitting MLAs this time.
Wow. Only.
Pipe dreams of congress. What do they want from Shivraj Chouhan? Do they expect him to come out and say that "I am always Modi's junior or I am his slave". He has given enough indications that he is not in the race and has openly said modi is his elder bro. Rest all is media's creation and congress ramblings. They cant hope to win MP and so they will try these stupid games.
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Can someone explain to me what a 19 yr old innocent college girl from mumbai was doing in gujarat with 4 khandaani let terrorists? Dating them ? Picnic ? College excursion ?
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Singha wrote:Can someone explain to me what a 19 yr old innocent college girl from mumbai was doing in gujarat with 4 khandaani let terrorists? Dating them ? Picnic ? College excursion ?
Singha Sir, just wait for some time, the gujarat government will give the court all the proof against that 19 yr old innocent jehadi. Aisa proof denge ki, cbi will be searching for a place to hide. NaMo was very clear around 2 weeks ago in his speech. He said "If you try and use CBI against our officers and try to frame them, we will make sure you will not be able to rule delhi even for a day".
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Congress will declare general elections soon. Food security and Ishrat jahan case are the only things they got left.
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Do listen to Ajit Doval on NWR live.. Repeat playing right now..
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A dialog about Narendra Modi
Ever since Shri. Narendra Modi has been in the limelight as the possible BJP choice for the Prime Minister of India (mainly after his celebrated SRCC speech), there has been a slew of discussions in the social media. Facebook pages dedicated to Narendra Modi, as well as those denouncing him for all kinds of heinous crimes against humanity have sprung up with furious proponents of both the views waging Facebook and Twitter wars. The Indian mainstream media (MSM) has mostly vilified Narendra Modi for over a decade and continues to do so with gusto even today. I have been an avid reader of such exchanges and have participated in a few as a committed Modi-supporter. What follows is a fictional account of a dialog/debate between me and a fictional anti-Modi person, I’ll call him Mr. Manish Shukla. I have combined most of the talking points used by various anti-Modi persons in my various interactions on the social media to equip my fictional Mr. Manish Shukla with all the possible arrows in his anti-Modi quiver. I have also used what little material I could find in defense of Narendra Modi on the net to equip myself with counter-arguments. (Special thanks to Ms. Madhu Kishwar, whose tour de force articles published as a series called Modinama helped in most of my counter-arguments)

Before I dive into my purported debate with my fictitious Mr. Manish Shukla, I must take a few moments to delineate the kind of audience I wish to reach through my series of dialogs. I have studied the virulent anti-Modi brigade and their tactics, arguments and shibboleths closely and have reached the following observations:

There are broadly two categories of Modi-haters viz. ‘Professional’ Modi-haters and, for want of a better term, ‘amateur’ Modi-haters. Professional Modi-haters can be divided into two sub-categories again. Politicians and non-politicians. How do I define a ‘professional’ Modi-hater ? Any person, organization or entity that stands to benefit monetarily by spewing venom against Modi is a ‘professional’ Modi-hater . It is obvious that the Congress or UPA politicians have a vested interest in denigrating Modi. There are hundreds of UPA MPs, hundreds of MLAs per state, hundreds of thousands of corporators and local body politicians (such as nagar sewaks, sarpanches and so on). If you have travelled to any town or city at any time of the year, you would see a surfeit of posters of varying sizes thoroughly spoiling the already dreadful urban landscape. These posters variously congratulate the local MLA’s or MPs or sundry other politicians for their birthdays or any other mundane ‘achievements’. These posters are erected by millions of hangers-on that pass off as ‘karyakartas’ or volunteers. Each and every person that belongs to this entourage of any UPA politician in this gigantic network of patronage has a ‘professional’ interest in denigrating Modi. The patronage ranges from pocket-money doled out during the election cycle by the UPA (that pays for the upkeep of these so-called volunteers) to the share of the loot of the public exchequer (in other words the scam and corruption scandal money) that gets passed on to even the lowliest of these hangers-on. When a Congress politician is involved in scams of hundreds or thousands of crores, he doesn’t get to keep all the money. He has to distribute a sizeable chunk of the money to these millions of hangers-on who stake their claim on a share of this loot by erecting his posters on his birthday. (To be fair, the NDA constituents also have a similar entourage of hangers-on and undoubtedly the share of public exchequer that the BJP-politicians manage to loot is also passed on to their thousands of ‘followers’. But the scale and magnitude of BJP corruption is minuscule compared to the Congress corruption over the last decade. If you do not agree to this fact then you need not read this piece any further; because no amount of logic or facts would dissuade you from the ivory tower that you have ensconced yourself into.) Hence, any UPA-associated politician or his lieutenants all the way down to the lowliest foot-soldier in this super-gigantic patronage machine has a vested interest in the defeat of Modi in particular and BJP in general. I am willing to venture an opinion that a sizeable minority of these patronage-receivers may internally be well-disposed towards Modi but their bread and butter is directly dependent on at least an outwardly bellicose stance towards Modi. I DO NOT wish to engage in a debate with any of these ‘professional’ politicians or wannabe politicians (in Hindi, they are called the ‘chamchas’ of the various ‘netas’). That is because opposing Modi militantly is a ‘rozi-roti’ issue for them. No amount of facts, logic or sane arguments is going to change the PAID opinion of these millions of UPA-supporters.

Now let’s look at the professional Modi-haters that are not politicians. Who are they? They are the media people – the TV anchors, the ‘journalists’, the columnists, the editors, the bloggers and so on. There is a veritable army of these media people who are engaged in Modi-bashing on a daily basis. I submit that they too are ‘professional’ Modi-haters whose salaries, perks and livelihood are dependent on maintaining a constant, implacable opposition to Modi and anything and everything he represents. These people are ostensibly impartial but in reality they are the worst shills for their respective media owner’s personal agendas. The same poisonous patronage gravy train that compels the politicians’ chamchas to take up the cudgels on behalf of their masters compels these worthies to do the same but with a staggeringly disproportionate effect. Most of the prevailing vicious anti-Modi atmosphere found in the urban, educated, English-speaking conclaves can be attributed directly to the last 10+ years of relentless partisan propaganda war waged by these faux opinion-makers. I DO NOT wish to engage these worthies either in a reasoned debate about Modi. Again, this is because no amount of logic, facts and reasoned arguments will ever sway this set of people whose pocketbooks and lifestyles depend on prosecuting a virulent anti-Modi agenda.

I wish to present my case to the rest of the Modi-haters whose livelihood doesn’t depend on irrationally or implacably remaining opposed to Modi. There are millions and millions of these people who have been constantly subjected to a barrage of the most despicably vicious, venomous and outright false propaganda by the ‘professional’ Modi-haters and unfortunately these millions of non-professional Modi-haters have swallowed it hook, line and sinker. As of today, the Manish Shuklas of this world are as implacably opposed to Narendra Modi as the people whose knavery in the media has caused this irrational hatred that Mr. Shukla holds against Narendra Modi. But there is a huge difference. For the ‘amateur’ Modi-haters (like Mr. Manish Shukla) it is not a matter of ‘rozi-roti’. Most of them are opposed to Modi because they genuinely believe most of the media-bilge that they have been fed. But if Mr. Manish Shukla, as a result of this reasoned, fact-based debate turns around and stops hating Modi, or, God Forbid, even becomes a Modi-supporter, he is not going to lose his job or find his income affected by this change of heart. Therein lies the basis of my attempt to hold a reasoned, logical and fact-based dialog with the Manish Shuklas of this world.
Why am I doing this? Well, there are several reasons. First and foremost, after a careful research spanning several years, hundreds of articles, programs, opinions and similar debates, I have reached a conclusion that Mr. Narendra Modi represents the best possible alternative to the horrendous mis-governance and systematic and colossal loot of the nation’s wealth being done by the UPA. I will lay out my case against the Congress in a later piece. The second and more important reason is that I believe that the Manish Shuklas of the world are smart, educated and intelligent and above all, they are fair and balanced in their approach to making their political opinions. They may have been under the influence of 10+ years of relentless anti-Modi propaganda of the most sophisticated nature but the Manish Shuklas are also capable of indulging in a reasoned debate and a fair evaluation of the available evidence to judge Modi on the basis of a logical, factual and impartial standard without being clouded by opinions. Opinions are like ***holes – everybody has one. Even the Sagarikas and Barkhas and Rajdeeps of the world have opinions. What they do not have and abhor and fear are facts. I will base my case on facts rather than opinions.

I know that it is more than a Herculean task. The airwaves and the newsprint have been clogged with mostly vituperation, unfounded allegations and outright lies against Modi for over 10 years – a truly poisonous propaganda machine that the Nazi propaganda maestro Joseph Goebbels would have been proud of. I would also be up against the cognitive dissonance of a large number of Manish Shuklas of the world. Cognitive dissonance is a psychological inability to discard or disown a dearly held notion or opinion even after it is proven wrong. But if through this exercise I am able to at least inform if not persuade even a few among the millions of ‘amateur’ Modi-haters then I would consider it a time well-spent.

India is passing through one of the darkest periods in its history post-independence and most of the blame for this abjectly sordid state of the nation can be laid squarely at the feet of the current Congress dispensation. It is the duty of every well-wisher of India to participate in the upcoming ‘Mahabharat’ of elections in any way he/she can. This is my insignificant contribution to this endeavor. I am convinced that BJP in general and Narendra Modi in particular is on the side of Dharma in this epic battle. Only time will tell whether this election turns out to be the ‘kurukshetra’ of the corrupt Congress regime or it will be another round in the infamous game of dice that the Pandavas lost to the skullduggery of the ‘adharmic’ side.

To be continued...
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Ajit Doval is a hero. IB also has many like him who are working tirelessly to safeguard India even with idiotic ministers sitting above them. He said "Ishrat was being tracked for a long time". If so, I'm sure IB has added many of these jihadis to their informant list.

*Modi has to be careful. Congress is indirectly outsourcing a hit on Modi to jihadis.
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CBI says that Ishrat Jahan wasn't a terrorist. But CBI's credibility is about the same as mian musharraf these days. :lol:
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Hari Seldon wrote:From twitter... point to note...

‏@MRVChennai 16m
Food security ordinance - Is the Govt advancing General elections? Does it want to cut losses? Elections B4 NaMo Peaks?

Menwhile more tactical brilliance from the Cong party...

Congress plans ‘divide & rule’ in MP
The Congress will play the Narendra Modi card in the Madhya Pradesh Assembly polls to fan the factional fights in the ruling BJP and check the chief minister Shivraj Singh Chouhan.
It plans to build up the election campaign on the theme of “A vote for the BJP will be a vote for Narendra Modi to become the PM.” This was revealed by a Congress strategist.
“Narendra Modi is not the only PM candidate in the BJP as Shivraj Singh Chouhan too is in the race. If Modi could play the PM candidate card in the Gujarat Assembly polls why not Chouhan?” he asked. But Mr Modi failed to retain the BJP’s numbers in the Gujarat Assembly despite playing the PM card, he pointed out.
[...]
If the Congress insiders are to be believed, Mr Modi will certainly play games in Madhya Pradesh and Rajasthan polls to prove that Mr Chouhan and former chief minister Vasundhara Raje are lesser than him in stature.
Mr Modi knows very well that if Mr Chouhan retains power for a third time consecutively and Ms Raje comes back to power then they will not toe his line, could go with Mr Advani, they said. Mr Chouhan will replace many sitting BJP MLAs to check the anti-incumbency factor. But then they would turn rebel. This could certainly help Congress in the elections, the Congress leaders said while conceding that the Congress too will have to replace a large number of sitting MLAs this time.
Wow. Only.
You know what they say.. There is a very fine line between Prediction and Wishful thinking...

While they are at it, they might as well pick this weeks Powerball or Lotto numbers. Or better yet pass me the stuff that they are smoking..
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Singha wrote:Can someone explain to me what a 19 yr old innocent college girl from mumbai was doing in gujarat with 4 khandaani let terrorists? Dating them ? Picnic ? College excursion ?
Willingly kidnapped? Whatever she did., she did willingly and she knew the consequences.
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Do listen to Ajit Doval on NWR live.. Repeat playing right now..
Sushupti ji, link please?
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I have a feeling that emergency will be declared. The entire Congress will be decimated if Modi comes to power. They will try to hold on for as long as they can. All they have to do is pin some false charges on him and ban him from this coming election. Easier said than done but going by Congress track record I wouldn't put it past them.
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Sushupti wrote:Do listen to Ajit Doval on NWR live.. Repeat playing right now..

You mind posting the gist for those who can't access the program?

Am fascianted witht he INC logic or gameplan on this case.

BTW one should pay attention to the Rs 2500 crores seized in Mumbai and the Doggy outburst of BJP planning riots in INC led states!

Its the pot calling the stainless steel pressure cooker black!

Wonder how the truck was caught in Mumbai while headin got Gujarat?

Also SHQ was suggesting that money could be used for Uttara Khand in additon to the pittance from GOI. No need for World Bank loan etc. Rs. 2500 crores is good amount to rebuild the infrastructure there.
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Rumor mill has it that congress may ally with Mayawati to stop BJP in UP. Any thoughts on how this may play out??
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They can ally with whoever they want. Nothing is going to help Congress at this stage. They have no choice but to either bump him off or declare emergency in the name of preserving communal harmony in India.
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I have never understood this logic of declaring SSC or SS or VR or MP or any other BJP leader as PM candidate as being begged by sick-ular media and Kan-gress leaders instead of NaMo as they will be more acceptable (as claimed by the same noiser(s).
What are we going to do with more acceptable face if he/she cannot energize ordinary Indians and win elections. Not to doubt the capability of regional leaders but it is only NaMo that thrills us to the core and would want us to vote for BJP.
Even ABV at the pick of his charm could not do the same for BJP.
The more acceptable face equation comes in picture when you don't have enough seats and you are looking for allies. As of now BJP and its supporters believe and rightly so that they will win enough seats under NaMo to overcome this hurdle of requiring a face which is more acceptable to new allies.
Actually to cut NaMo's popularity within BJP and give ammunition to D-4, Kangress might canvass and win elections for SSC and Raje to make the claim that NM is not the tallest leader in BJP. Well! You heard it here first :)
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RoyG wrote:They can ally with whoever they want. Nothing is going to help Congress at this stage. They have no choice but to either bump him off or declare emergency in the name of preserving communal harmony in India.
RoyG, This is taking it to the extreme. India is way past the stage where emergency could be declared. Not happening.
Threat to NM, very plausible.

Anyways to be very honest, the probability of Kangress coming back to power via back door or a hotch-potch 3rd front PM is higher than NM becoming PM so I guess Kangress though desperate and first in the race to malign NM is not absolutely desperate.
NM will be a bigger threat if some spineless ManMS kind of character ends up becoming PM for couple of years before elections in 2016 again.
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Nitish okays Rs 800cr plan for Muslims
TNN | Jul 3, 2013, 04.26 AM IST

PATNA: In an important decision in the light of JD (U) parting ways with the BJP recently, the Bihar cabinet on Tuesday OK'd a sum of Rs 800.30 crore for the development of minorities under the centrally-sponsored Multi-Sectoral Development Programme (MSDP) in 75 blocks and eight towns with concentration of minorities, spread over 20 districts of the state. The amount would be spent during the 12th five-year plan (2012-13 to 2016-17).

Currently, the MSDP programme is operational in seven minority-dominated districts - Araria, Kishanganj, Purnia, Katihar, West Champaran, Sitamarhi and Darbhanga - for which a sum of Rs 219 crore had been allocated in the 12th five year plan. Of this sum, the central share was about Rs 173 crore while the state's share was Rs 46.03 crore

Talking to media after the cabinet meeting here, cabinet secretariat department's principal secretary Brajesh Mehrotra said an additional 20 districts will be brought under the ambit of the programme in the current financial year, for which the Centre has agreed in principle to provide Rs 332 crore. He said the amount would be spent for the development of madrasas, schools and distribution of scholarships among students belonging to the minorities.

MSDP is a special area development programme being implemented by the Union ministry of minority affairs for the benefit of minorities. However, its benefits go to non-minorities also. The primary objective of the programme is to improve the parameters which resulted in the identification of the districts as backward and to bring them at par with the national averages.

In another major decision, the cabinet approved the home department's proposal to create 25 additional units of Special Task Force (STF) in order to contain the onslaught of left wing extremism in the state. Each STF unit would be headed by a DSP-rank official. A total of 1167 police personnel would be included in the 25 STF teams. A total sum of Rs 49.45 crore per annum would be spent on them.

In a major boost to private investment in the energy sector, the cabinet gave its nod to the proposal of a Kolkata-based firm, M/s Response Renewable Energy Limited, for setting up a 25MW solar power unit in Nawada district at a cost of Rs 425 crore.

The cabinet also gave its approval to the proposal of the home (special) department to set up a judicial inquiry commission to investigate the recent police firing at a village under Naurangia police station in Bagaha police district. A retired Patna high court judge, Rajendra Prasad, would head the commission, which will submit its report in six months. It also OK'd the proposal to give a compensation of Rs 5 lakh to the kin of Munna Singh, a resident of Jamui district who died in police custody in PMCH on Monday.

The cabinet also approved a sum of Rs 384.35 crore to the Bihar Horticulture Development Society for implementation of schemes under the agriculture road map.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 885979.cms
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^^^ Excellent, the more niku appeases muslims, the more muslim vote will split. Good for BJP
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Nitish is prostituting himself so that the Ummah will pick him as the regional potentate. golden opportunity for Islamics to extract as many concessions as possible. one step at a time. that is their process.
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SwamyG wrote:...Since all you folks want him so dearly, I reluctantly placed the agnipariksha test. ...
We are all vanaras., however since you are no Rama., the question is who are you to place agnipariksha?

Anyway in treta yuga, even Rama needed a pliable ally in form of Sugreeva and unnecessarily killed Vali. And this is kaliyuga. Now in Dwapar yuga and the beginning of Kaliyuga., Yudhistira himself "miscommunicated" at the urging of Krishna. So?

Just a gentle reminder, your argument has gone too far to the point that it is becoming ridiculous. You should come up with a newer argument. In this battle, if NaMo needs to have Yeddy on his side to win., more power to him.

Given the way Nusrat was crying about Ishrat, whatever soft corner I had about Ishrat., it is gone. I do not care how Congress is destroyed., as long as it is destroyed.
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Pranav wrote:...

This is what Rudradev ji is celebrating -
Pranavji, chota-mota accidents hote rehta hai. Tell me which is better? Chota-mota blasts or Chota-mota accidents? And what is Khujliwal's stand on it? Free for all on roads without any rules?

And pranavji, pls. do not take a high road on that statement.
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Pranav wrote:
Rudradev wrote:I hear one of scumbag Kejriwal's aides got taken out by Sonia Congress terrorists in Delhi yesterday. :) I love it when anti-nationals fight each other :mrgreen:


This is what Rudradev ji is celebrating -

[g]
LOL. Taking your cues from NDTV Pranav ji? They too keep flashing photos of Ishrat Jehan's face followed by the encounter vehicle, in the hope that simple minded Aam Aadmi log will remember the pictures and forget the facts :)

The facts, meanwhile are that any time the Congress trash and Kejriwal trash start eliminating each other, it's a win-win for India :mrgreen:
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devesh wrote:Nitish is prostituting himself so that the Ummah will pick him as the regional potentate. golden opportunity for Islamics to extract as many concessions as possible. one step at a time. that is their process.
The yadavs of UP and Bihar (Both the Voters and rulers) are the jaichands of today.
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Battle for Asom picks up.

After a splended show in the Guwahati Municipal polls where the BJP on its own ousted the AGP from the reckoning entirely and gave tough fight in most constituencies (eventually picked up 11 seats to the INC's 19 - but 4 seats were very close margin-wise). Hope this go-it-alone is also tried in the WB panchayat polls coming up... at least in select districts...

BJP opens LS campaign in Assam
With the top brass of the Assam unit in tow, Rajnath Singh today discussed the preparedness for the Lok Sabha elections.

Singh’s first visit to Assam as party president came in the wake of BJP’s good performance in the recent Guwahati Municipal Corporation (GMC) election, where it won 11 out of 30 wards. Pointing out that the party performance was better than expected, Singh said the result was a clear indication of BJP’s march towards becoming the “number one party” in Assam.
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Ahluwalia said he would spend the next month in Assam visiting all Lok Sabha and Assembly constituencies to prepare for the general election scheduled for 2014. A party member said the party would try to win at least six seats this time. Last time, BJP had won four of the 14 Lok Sabha seats in Assam.

The party received a shot in the arm today with senior AGP leader Atul Bora joining its ranks. Mukuta Deka, president of the Kamrup district unit, said that 500 people joined the party today, some of whom were from AGP and the ruling Congress.
Kinda glad to see a new purposiveness, a new spring in the BJP step heading for 2014. Or is it merely what I want to see?
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Just wondering if the selection of Asif Ibrahim as IB chief was made with a calculation that as a Muslim he would be biased against Modi and would be helpful in fixing Modi. To his credit though, the new IB chief doesn't seem to be doing his selectors' bidding.

Is there any info on other contenders for this post at the time of his selection?
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venug wrote:
Do listen to Ajit Doval on NWR live.. Repeat playing right now..
Sushupti ji, link please?
http://nwrlive.com/

Unfortunately its live and no off-time links for the programs.
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Hari Seldon wrote:Battle for Asom picks up.

After a splended show in the Guwahati Municipal polls where the BJP on its own ousted the AGP from the reckoning entirely and gave tough fight in most constituencies (eventually picked up 11 seats to the INC's 19 - but 4 seats were very close margin-wise). Hope this go-it-alone is also tried in the WB panchayat polls coming up... at least in select districts...

BJP opens LS campaign in Assam
With the top brass of the Assam unit in tow, Rajnath Singh today discussed the preparedness for the Lok Sabha elections.

Singh’s first visit to Assam as party president came in the wake of BJP’s good performance in the recent Guwahati Municipal Corporation (GMC) election, where it won 11 out of 30 wards. Pointing out that the party performance was better than expected, Singh said the result was a clear indication of BJP’s march towards becoming the “number one party” in Assam.
[...]
Ahluwalia said he would spend the next month in Assam visiting all Lok Sabha and Assembly constituencies to prepare for the general election scheduled for 2014. A party member said the party would try to win at least six seats this time. Last time, BJP had won four of the 14 Lok Sabha seats in Assam.

The party received a shot in the arm today with senior AGP leader Atul Bora joining its ranks. Mukuta Deka, president of the Kamrup district unit, said that 500 people joined the party today, some of whom were from AGP and the ruling Congress.
Kinda glad to see a new purposiveness, a new spring in the BJP step heading for 2014. Or is it merely what I want to see?

Hari garu,
certainly a positive trend for BJP. but this is long-term strategy. we should remember that. this strategy of relentlessly cornering the regional/sub-regional strongmen into either submission or battle, will not win the BJP an election in the short-term. but it will paint the BJP as one of a kind in the long-run. if BJP is genuinely shifting to this phase, I am supportive of it. but there is no escaping the fact that this strategy is not geared to yield short-term election/coalition victories. INC or INC-backed fronts might be the order of the day for at least 2 more elections rounds. but perhaps, that is the lesser devil than turning BJP into an INC-B team.
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disha wrote:
SwamyG wrote:...Since all you folks want him so dearly, I reluctantly placed the agnipariksha test. ...
We are all vanaras., however since you are no Rama., the question is who are you to place agnipariksha?

Anyway in treta yuga, even Rama needed a pliable ally in form of Sugreeva and unnecessarily killed Vali. And this is kaliyuga. Now in Dwapar yuga and the beginning of Kaliyuga., Yudhistira himself "miscommunicated" at the urging of Krishna. So?

Just a gentle reminder, your argument has gone too far to the point that it is becoming ridiculous. You should come up with a newer argument. In this battle, if NaMo needs to have Yeddy on his side to win., more power to him.

Given the way Nusrat was crying about Ishrat, whatever soft corner I had about Ishrat., it is gone. I do not care how Congress is destroyed., as long as it is destroyed.
That is such a lame question in a discussion forum. We are presenting our view points here. Wah re wa....my point is ridiculous? Wow. You want to take in a backstabber in the party for the sake of votes, what next.....you see the slippery slope don't you?
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Testing times for Modi. Wow. CBI...err INC in full attack mode. They tried Godhra, they tried Advani, they tried Nitish.....
It is like the Lagaan movie, INC are the Englishmen with enough experience and arrogance bullying, taunting and attacking Modi. Body line bowling onlee. This is an aar ya paar ladai. The 21st century Mahabharat. May the good win.

It is mind boggling to see media and INC politicians under the control of Nehru-Gandhi family. It is like the desi sepoys under the control of British. Like the desi Kings under the British. :evil: Why is there no rebellion in INC?
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SwamyG wrote:Testing times for Modi. Wow. CBI...err INC in full attack mode. They tried Godhra, they tried Advani, they tried Nitish.....
It is like the Lagaan movie, INC are the Englishmen with enough experience and arrogance bullying, taunting and attacking Modi. Body line bowling onlee. This is an aar ya paar ladai. The 21st century Mahabharat. May the good win.

It is mind boggling to see media and INC politicians under the control of Nehru-Gandhi family. It is like the desi sepoys under the control of British. Like the desi Kings under the British. :evil: Why is there no rebellion in INC?
Well, he can wards these guys off. But i am worried abt the food security bill. A lot of voters may fall for this gimmick. Lets see what bjp does to outsmart congress.
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A good comment in First Post obtained from here....
http://www.firstpost.com/india/ishrat-j ... 26313.html
I have tried to make heads and tails of the entire chain of events, based on inputs from CBI, SP Tamang report and Tehelka. This is what happened:

1. Innocent Ishrat was a hardworking girl who had lost her father. How sad! She used to work as an secretary-cum-accountant. Now most such secretaries work in office, but Ishrat was special. So, her employer Javed used to take herout of town for "work".

2. One day Ishrat went with Javed on a "work-related trip" to Nashik. She didn't inform her mother in advance because her mother didn't like her going out of town with Javed. Surprisingly, she called her mother after reaching Nashik and told her that "uncle Javed" had come with some strange men. But soon, she called back and said she was fine.

3. Now, these two "strange" men happend to be bad guys. Gujarat police falsely claims that these two men were Pakistanis, but according to Magistrate SP Tamang they were innocent Indian citizens. We don't know why no Indian came forward to claim their dead bodies. But we must believe Mr. Tamang because he is secular. Anyway, these two men were not planning to kill NaMo, they were just planning chhota-mota bombing... like maybe 50-100 people dead, no big deal in a country of 1.2 billion people!

4. These two strange men were arrested by Gujarat police in Maharashtra. IB created fake inputs and Gujarat police arrested them on fake charges of anti-Modi conspiracy simply because they wanted promotions & medals. Now, don't ask me stupid questions like "Why would Gujarat police arrested someone in Maharashtra? Why can't they just pick up Gujarati Muslims in Gujarat and kill them in order to get promotions?" Just believe whatever secular CBI says. Remember, NaMo is a saffron goon whose communal policemen arrest people illegally in other states. Javed and Ishrat were witness to this illegal arrest.

5. Innocent Ishrat and Javed were frightened so they ran off to Karnataka, and then he decided to go to his hometown Pune. Now see, any sane person would have driven from Nashik to Pune. But Javed was a special secular man, so he first drove to Karnataka and then started driving towards Pune. (according to the Tehelka article, the two were arrested whie "driving through Karnataka towards his hometown Pune in Maharashtra").

6. Around this time, Javed received a phone call from Gujarat police asking him to come to Ahmedabad, late in the night of 6 June. He became afraid that his connection with the arrested men would land him in trouble so he obeyed and drove 700 km to Gujarat in night along with Ishrat. Now see, any normal person would have at least informed their family or gone to local police station instead of driving 700 km just because they got a call from some stranger claiming to be Gujarat police. But you see, Javed was special in a secular way, so he did all this.

7. Ishrat and Javed were sedated and kept in illegal confinement for 3 days at Khodiar farms. Now, you see they were missing for their 3 days, but their families did not file any missing persons report. Why, you ask? Well, it's because they are secular families.

8. Now the big bad "white beard" and his evil associate "grey beard" asked the police to kill Ishrat and Javed. Why? I don't know, dude. But NaMo is communal so he can do things like this. So, anyway, the police killed 4 people in this fake encounter.

9. 10,000 messengers of peace attended Ishrat's funeral. Also, Sohrabuddin and Tulsiram, two secular underworld gangsters were also killed in a fake encounter by Gujarat police. How dare they kill secular people?

10. Media helped give justice to great innocent martyr victims like Sohrabuddin and Ishrat. Also, remember that these encounters should not be called "Tulsiram Prajapati encounter case" or "Pranesh Pillai encounter case". All the cases must have secular names. 440 fake encounters happened in India during 2002-07, out of which 4 happened in Gujarat. Now please don't ask "Why so much attention to Gujarat, when majority of the encounters happend in Congress-UPA states?" You see, those states are secular, but Gujarat is communal. So, we must focus only on Gujarat.
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