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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 05 Sep 2013 22:22
by habal
folks are speculating that Obama could be anti-christ because his mercenaries are attacking the oldest Christian town in the world that has residents who still speak in western-aramaic, the ancient language spoken by Jesus.

Obama's merceneries attack Maloula, a Christian heritage city.

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With the attack by Takfiri infidels on the ancient Aramaic city of Ma'loolaa, the signs cannot be doubted any longer. John Kerry, a closet-Jew Zionist, a servant of the Antichrist, continues to spout his venom in the hope that innocent Americans will be distracted from the abominations of the Arabians, the Turks and their own president. It is only through the manipulation of man that the Devil can arise to his throne atop an earth denuded of everything human and devoid of all things but the droppings of flies. For that is the mission of Barack Obama. Unless we can stop him.
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Is Obama trying to imitate the biblical anti-christ or is he being set up by his handlers to resemble one.

how does this look ?

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 05 Sep 2013 22:34
by Austin
Russia boosts Mediterranean Fleet for potential evacuation of Russian citizens
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2013_09_0 ... tion-7954/
Asked why Russia is boosting its task force in the region, Sergei Ivanov said: "They [the warships] are intended for possible evacuation of Russian citizens," Ivanov said.

Deputy Defense Minister Anatoly Antonov said earlier on Thursday that the country's increased presence in the Mediterranean is a "legitimate, natural and predictable reaction to the situation developing" in the region.

"Our actions are in strict compliance with international law and the UN Charter," he stressed, adding that the Mediterranean Sea is "quite close to Russia's borders."

However, he stressed that Russia's naval presence in the Mediterranean Sea does should not be interpreted as an indication that the country plans to take an active role in any regional conflict, he said.

"Our warships are a guarantee of regional stability, an attempt to restrain other forces that are ready to launch military operations in the region," Antonov said.

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 05 Sep 2013 22:36
by Austin
Cameron: Britain has fresh evidence of chemical weapons
Britain has "growing" evidence that the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad has used chemical weapons, Prime Minister David Cameron said at the G20 summit in St Petersburg.

"We have just been looking at some samples taken from Damascus in the Porton Down laboratory in Britain which further shows the use of chemical weapons in that Damascus suburb," he said, referring to the alleged chemical weapons attack of August 21.

The evidence against Assad was "growing all the time," he said.

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 05 Sep 2013 22:42
by ramana
habal, Can we tone down the millenial anti-christ nonsense?

Thanks,
ramana

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 05 Sep 2013 22:43
by Garooda
Calls_To_Congress_499_To_1_Against_Syria_War
A national debate is raging on Twitter. Tweets and statements from members of Congress – both Democrat and Republican – show tremendously strong opposition to President Obama’s call for an air strike on Syria:

Rep. Jim McDermott, D-Wash., tweeted, “Calls and emails from my constituents is 100 to 1 AGAINST getting involved in Syria. The American people are speaking.”

Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., said 99 percent of the calls his office oppose an attack.

Rep. Andy Harris, R-Md., said, “Constituents who have contacted my office by phone or mail oppose action in Syria 523-4 so far.”

Rep. Thomas Massie, R-Ky., tweeted, “My phones are blowing up, and an overwhelming amount of constituents oppose U.S. military intervention in Syria.”

Rep. Matt Salmon, R-Ariz., tweeted, “Syria constituent calls 489-2 against.”

Rep. Shelley Capito, R-W.V., said of “about 1,000 calls to my office, maybe 5 are for.”

Rep. Vern Buchanan, R-Fla., said calls and emails to his offices are 600 to 9 against striking Syria.

Contact Congress and let your lawmakers know how you feel about authorizing President Obama to strike Syria.

Rep. Tim Griffin, R-Ark., tweeted, “FYI: Received 75 calls/emails from constituents today so far on Syria. All 75 opposed to military action.”

Rep. Steve Chabot, R-Ohio, said he is getting swamped with phone calls and on-the-street comments from constituents telling him to oppose a strike on Syria.

Rep. Rand Paul, R-Ky., said, “I’m told the phone calls are 9 out of 10 against a strike in Syria, from my constituents in Kentucky.”

Rep. Ralph Hall, R-Texas: “I have received hundreds of calls and letters from constituents expressing strong opposition.”

Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., tweeted, “My office has been inundated with constituent phone calls and emails about Syria. Virtually unanimous opposition to military intervention.”

Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, tweeted, “So far about 500 emails regarding Syria. 499 say NO and 1 say YES go to war” and “Hundreds of calls to our Provo and Washington, D.C., office. So far not a single call in favor of bombing Syria.”

Rep. Paul Gosar, R-Ariz., tweeted, “The phones in my office are ringing off the hook and mail is flowing in. Almost all of the people are opposed to intervention in Syria.”

Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, tells WND his office is hearing the same overwhelming opposition to intervention.

Rep. Brad Sherman, D-Calif., said, “I don’t know a member of Congress whose e-mails and phone calls are in favor of [bombing Syria.]”

Rep. Steve Southerland, R-Fla., said 96 percent of his emails and phone calls are from constituents who want to express their opposition to military action. He said, “Overwhelmingly, we are hearing pushback from our citizens against military intervention in Syria.”

Rep. Jeff Duncan, R-S.C., said he’s heard no support from his constituents for striking Syria: “I have not had a single person, not a single person, in over 92 Facebook posts just a little while ago in a question we posed, having a single constituent or a South Carolinian saying let’s go to war in Syria.”

Sen. Angus King, I-Maine, said “a very high percentage” of the constituents contacting his office have been against U.S. involvement in Syria. He estimated that 90 percent of more than 1,000 calls and emails from Americans have been urging him not to support intervention.

Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., said, “I can tell you that in my office, the phones are bopping off the hook there. And almost unanimously people are opposed to what the president is talking about.”

Rep. Ted Yoho, R-Fla., told the House Foreign Affairs Committee hearing he and his constituents say “not just no, but heck no!” to Syria intervention.

Rep. Justin Amash, R-Mich., tweeted, “I’ve been hearing a lot from members of our armed forces. The message I consistently hear: Please vote no on military action against Syria.”

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 05 Sep 2013 22:52
by Garooda
Israel’s black gold shifts the balance of power
According to the London based World Energy Council (WEC), a leading global energy forum with stakeholders in 93 countries, Israel most likely possesses the world’s third largest reserves of shale oil: around 250 billion barrels. Only the US, with around one billion barrels of potentially extractable shale oil, and China with about a third of that, possess more. Most of this oil treasure is in the approximately 250 square kilometres large Shfela Basin between Jerusalem and Gaza – that is according to international law the oil is in the state of Israel, not the occupied Palestinian territories..
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If WEC’s estimates for Israel stand, the economic balance of power between the Jewish state and surrounding Muslim countries will shift dramatically. According to the US based IDT Corporation, which holds the exploration rights in the Shfela Basin together with the domestic Israeli Energy Initiatives (IEI), there is even more shale oil below Israel’s surface, perhaps twice as much as the reserves of Saudi Arabia.

As if this was not enough, very large gas deposits in the Eastern Mediterranean have been discovered and extraction started by Israel and others. The so called Levantine Basin, which the until now fossil energy poor Greece, Cyprus, Syria, Lebanon, Israel and Gaza all make claims on, holds a virtual gas Eldorado below the seabed which the US Geological Survey estimate to at least 120,000 billion cubic feet. Of that, some 8,500 billion cubic feet are calculated to be in the Tamar field outside Israel’s northern coast and some 20,000 billion cubic feet in the Leviathan field out at sea, which borders or is partly within Lebanese territorial waters. In April, the first commercially produced gas was delivered from the Tamar field for further distribution on the market.

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 05 Sep 2013 22:59
by habal
Obama, an African American with muslim heritage, implementing Zionist agenda in mid-east, attacking Christian heritage sites where the ancient language of western aramaic is spoken, which comes closest to what Jesus would have spoken, is enough send the baptist belt and many others spinning off their hocks. It would remind many of the biblical prophecies as speculated by various credible and incredible sources. Proceedings in Congress should be fun.

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 05 Sep 2013 23:03
by ramana
Looks like France, UK want support the US strike plans for "credibility of their regimes "status in the world pecking order.

France, UK and US(FUKUS) want to strike Syria.

BTW chemical weapons were added to the WMD pile to deter Saddam from using them against the Desert One strike. So called expanded deterrence. Earlier he had used them in the Iran-Iraq war without any condemnation. Then against rebels in Iraq. And US people would not have tolerated their soldiers being gassed due to the silliness of their leaders credibility. And the OICW was already in force banning chemcial weapons and stockpiles to be destoryed by a certain date.


So lets list the outcomes for India.
- No matter the outcome price of oil will go up. Major impact to creaking Indian economy. Rationing etc back in full force.
- Syria plunges deeper into civil war
1) Assad removed after weakening from strike
- Syria becomes Sunni majority state and reinforces the recalcitrant KSA and GCC jihadis
- Iran is further isolated
- Leads to KSA leading a new ghazawa on Iran to finish the Shia power for ever
2) Assad survives the strike
- Iran and others rush support to Assad regime
- Rallies to finish the jihadis mobs
- Jihadis go back and turn on their masters including Indian passprt holding jihadis
- Oil goes up more!!!
- ME becomes a Shia bastion

What else?
Looks like India has to go for alternative energy and bolster internal security no matter

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 05 Sep 2013 23:22
by Prem
ramana wrote:Looks like France and UK want to support the US strike plans for "credibility of their regimes "status in the world pecking order.What else?
Looks like India has to go for alternative energy and bolster internal security no matter
Energy Indepedence is now Number 1 priority, on par with territorial intergrity. Import lobby in Dilli have to be dispatched to hell if ever want to achieve this. Exploration have to be given priority. There are Oil and Gas reserves in Burma, BD, Gulf, Afghanistan , Indonesia, Malaysia, East Africa to CA and its naive to assume that all surrounding miilions of square Miles are floating with energy sources and only India is missing.

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 05 Sep 2013 23:32
by vishvak
The oil ministry had complaints about import lobbies! Imagine minister complaining!

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 06 Sep 2013 00:06
by KrishnaK
Singha wrote:I think Syria's best bet at a dying sting in tail would be CW strikes into the northern rim of the mediterranean and israel. damascus to rome is only 2000km...well within the range of a crude IRBM class with light CW warheads.

the regime will surely reliaze after iraq and libya there is no honourable escape for them - either they will be killed right after capture or they will put on a show trial and face the firing squad manned by eager jihadi types who take over next.
I'm pretty sure Al-Assad could manage a more orderly transition if he was willing to let go of power. Bar that, it's slow death or going down in flames

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 06 Sep 2013 00:23
by Vayutuvan
habal wrote:Obama, an African American with muslim heritage, implementing Zionist agenda in mid-east, attacking Christian heritage sites ...
Well, while I am for "not getting involved in Syria", let us not fall for British left rag anti-semitic agit-prop tactics (all those reports Philip sir posted from Guardian et al) either. We know which way the British cookie is going to crumble.

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 06 Sep 2013 00:26
by ramana
matirmc,
I think the British lion has turned out to be a jackal egging the eagle to suicide so they can revive the old empire.

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 06 Sep 2013 01:31
by svinayak
vishvak wrote:The oil ministry had complaints about import lobbies! Imagine minister complaining!
This is admitting loss of sovereignty.
No country allows lobbies to run the national security

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 06 Sep 2013 01:33
by KrishnaK
ramana wrote:matirmc,
I think the British lion has turned out to be a jackal egging the eagle to suicide so they can revive the old empire.
With WHAT ?

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 06 Sep 2013 01:34
by KrishnaK
Acharya wrote:
vishvak wrote:The oil ministry had complaints about import lobbies! Imagine minister complaining!
This is admitting loss of sovereignty.
No country allows lobbies to run the national security
What is democracy if not a collection of lobbies ? The smart ones allow them a legal and open framework for them to engage.

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 06 Sep 2013 01:38
by Garooda
Ab pandu..err panda bhi ship bhej rahaa hai.

Panda_Bhejing(sending)_Ship_To_Syria
Sept. 5, 2013
Paul Joseph Watson

China has reportedly sent warships to the coast of Syria to “observe” the actions of US and Russian ships as tensions build in preparation for a potential military strike on Syria which could come as soon as next week.

According to the Russian news outlet Telegrafist.org, the People’s Liberation Army dispatched the Jinggangshan amphibious dock landing ship and the vessel was seen passing through the Red Sea towards the Suez Canal, the waterway in Egypt that leads to the Mediterranean Sea and waters off the coast of Israel, Lebanon and Syria.

According to the report, the ship has not been sent to engage in any aggressive actions but is merely there to “observe” the actions of Russian and US warships. However, the Jinggangshan is equipped for combat, is armed with missiles, and was utilized as part of a “show of force” in maneuvers aimed at defending the South China Sea earlier this year.

Russian sources have confirmed that the Russian heavy missile cruiser Moskva has been sent to the eastern Mediterranean. China, for its part, is sending its amphibious dock landing warship, the 19,000 metric ton Jinggangshan, a 689-foot-long warship can carry 1,000 soldiers, helicopters, armored fighting vehicles, boats and landing craft. – Vineyardsaker
The report states that additional PLA warships have also been sent to the region but that their identity is unknown.

Yesterday it was reported that Russia was sending three more ships – two destroyers and a missile cruiser – to the eastern Mediterranean to bolster its forces which already include three other warships dispatched over the last two weeks.

Earlier this week, Russia criticized the United States for sending warships close to Syria, with Russian Defense Ministry official Oleg Dogayev remarking, “The dispatch of ships armed with cruise missiles toward Syria’s shores has a negative effect on the situation in the region.”

Five U.S. destroyers and an amphibious ship are currently positioned in the eastern Mediterranean awaiting strike orders. The USS Nimitz and three other warships are also stationed in the nearby Red Sea.

In a related story, China today toughened its rhetoric on Syria, warning President Barack Obama that, “Military action would have a negative impact on the global economy, especially on the oil price – it will cause a hike in the oil price.”

The Global Times, a newspaper described by Foreign Policy Magazine as “hyper nationalistic” and an “angry Chinese government mouthpiece, also published an editorial yesterday which slammed Obama for failing to prove that last month’s chemical weapons attack was the work of the Syrian government, charging that Washington’s “geopolitical interests” in the region were behind the military build-up.

The editorial, which also complains of the total lack of media coverage in America concerning reports that Syrian rebels admitted responsibility for last month’s chemical weapons attack, accuses the White House of “ignoring logic as it beats war drums.”
YUZHAO CLASS
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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 06 Sep 2013 01:39
by svinayak
Not at the cost of idenity, culture and national security.

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 06 Sep 2013 01:41
by member_27444
KrishnaK wrote:
Acharya wrote:[quote="vishvakThe oil ministry had complaints about import lobbies! Imagine minister complaining!
This is admitting loss of sovereignty.
No country allows lobbies to run the national security
What is democracy if not a collection of lobbies ? The smart ones allow them a legal and open framework for them to engage.
True. only if and only if the lobby is representing the greater interest of the public and paid handsomely by a section of business entity for its own ends at the cost of public at large.

There is fine ethical distinction which is of paramount importance sans which it is sham democracy or imperial dictatorship or democratic dictatorship as they call it in PRC

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 06 Sep 2013 01:48
by ramana
Philip, Recall 1956. Then France, UK and Israel invaded Egypt and US stopped them. That ended UK power.

Now same gang FUK want to support US to strike Syria.

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 06 Sep 2013 02:17
by Dipanker
ramana wrote:Looks like France, UK want support the US strike plans for "credibility of their regimes "status in the world pecking order.

France, UK and US(FUKUS) want to strike Syria.

BTW chemical weapons were added to the WMD pile to deter Saddam from using them against the Desert One strike. So called expanded deterrence. Earlier he had used them in the Iran-Iraq war without any condemnation. Then against rebels in Iraq. And US people would not have tolerated their soldiers being gassed due to the silliness of their leaders credibility. And the OICW was already in force banning chemcial weapons and stockpiles to be destoryed by a certain date.


So lets list the outcomes for India.
- No matter the outcome price of oil will go up. Major impact to creaking Indian economy. Rationing etc back in full force.
- Syria plunges deeper into civil war
1) Assad removed after weakening from strike
- Syria becomes Sunni majority state and reinforces the recalcitrant KSA and GCC jihadis
- Iran is further isolated
- Leads to KSA leading a new ghazawa on Iran to finish the Shia power for ever
2) Assad survives the strike
- Iran and others rush support to Assad regime
- Rallies to finish the jihadis mobs
- Jihadis go back and turn on their masters including Indian passprt holding jihadis
- Oil goes up more!!!
- ME becomes a Shia bastion

What else?
Looks like India has to go for alternative energy and bolster internal security no matter
The goal post has been been shifted slightly, regime change is now part of the agenda. Scenario 1 it will be.

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 06 Sep 2013 02:19
by member_27444
That time there was no friends of Israel lobby in US and it was in UK
Even though UK was against Ben Gurion freedom brigades

Ok where is Indian Navy in all this
Just anchored in Mumbai

Or was Sindhu Rakshak being prepared to play referee disaster struck?

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 06 Sep 2013 02:25
by Dipanker
the fighters travelled to Turkey from India before entering Syria. “Some of them have been killed, some have been caught alive,” he said, adding, “One of them has been shown on Syrian TV, caught with an Indian passport.”
It is likely that these are Paki AQAM carrying fake Indian passport.

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 06 Sep 2013 07:42
by Singha
being sickular we dont believe in sending warships to snoop and observe details of other nations esp USA only.
we only takes orders at 2 AM by FAX from D.C.

kerry proudly proclaiming how the arabs had offered to bankroll its rented american army to invade syria is bizarre. the position of secy of state sinks to new lows, though past incumbents had already greatly lowered the bar - powellji and his WMD, hillary and her pak munna adoration.... how low does it need to go before any "sharm"

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 06 Sep 2013 07:47
by ramana
Dipanker thanks for answering. If its option 1 then some more to think about.

Worst case:
So lets list the outcomes for India.
- No matter the outcome price of oil will go up. Major impact to creaking Indian economy. Rationing etc back in full force.
- Syria plunges deeper into civil war
1) Assad removed after weakening from strike
- Syria becomes Sunni majority state and reinforces the recalcitrant KSA and GCC jihadis
- Iran is further isolated
- Leads to KSA leading a new ghazawa on Iran to finish the Shia power for ever
- Syria in doldrums and ready for partition/mandate
- Golan Heights given to Israel to assure them of security
- Palestine state created to settle the Arab takleef and reduce anger against them
- Pipeline from Iraq via Syria
- Implications for Kashmir?
- Oil from Iraq via Syria and a decade of quiet there could lead to Iran next target
- Regime change in Iran and Iraq, Syria creates an upper Middle East energy belt
- Then what happens to the Sunni KSA-GCC oil belt?
- Time to dust of the Ralph Peters map of Middle East!

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 06 Sep 2013 08:14
by member_27444
Notice how Kerry does not say alkeda in opposition groups could have bad guys but so as to not alarm the average joe.


Hope sir Johann watched this

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/45755883/ns/m ... p/52933056

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 06 Sep 2013 08:28
by habal
some tidbits about Putin's image management come through this analysis

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/ ... s-on-syria
Putin is particularly skilled at keeping his opponents off balance. And there is no question that Obama is Putin’s opponent on the issue of Syria. All along, Putin’s goal has been to stop the United States from attacking the Syrian regime -- not to protect Assad but to protect Russia. Putin wants a strong leader in Syria who can keep things under control. He wants to make sure that terrorist groups with ties to extremists in Russia’s troubled North Caucasus region do not turn from operations in Syria to strikes against Russian targets. Putin also has some experience to draw on to achieve his goals.

He counts on being underestimated and discounted -- dismissed as the slouchy “bored kid at the back of the classroom” (as Obama described him in a news conference on August 9). This is an image Putin has cultivated for a very long time. As a bored kid in Leningrad in the 1960s and 1970s, Putin skulked at the back of classrooms but was energized in his free time by his pursuit of judo. He became extremely accomplished in the sport -- competing with distinction at the regional and national levels. Putin frequently underscores how much he benefitted from the qualities of judo. Naturally hotheaded and scrappy, the young Putin learned discipline through studying judo; it taught him self-restraint. His training focused on how to leverage his opponents’ strengths against them, and how to wait for the right moment to capitalize on their missteps. The real skill in judo is keeping the opponent perpetually off balance, not roughly pushing him down to the mat. Finesse, not force, earns points with the judges. This ability was a valuable asset once Putin joined the KGB and needed to, literally, stand and watch quietly in the shadows, waiting for someone to screw up.

Putin knows what he is doing. He stands back while others blunder in and act in the heat of the moment. He needles and riles his opponents so they trip themselves up and do his work for him. Putin intends to win this particular round of his sparring match over Syria on points. A decision against using force in Syria, an embarrassed Obama, the prospect of a unilateral U.S. intervention launched without even the imprimatur of the U.S. Congress -- all that can be spun as a Russian victory if Putin keeps his cool. Against the backdrop of the G-20 summit, the international community will be the judge of whether Putin or Obama has made the most skillful moves.
Pope appeals to world leaders to avoid ‘futile’ Syria strike
By Alexandra Zavis
Los Angeles Times

As world leaders gathered Thursday for a G-20 summit in Russia, Pope Francis urged them to pursue a negotiated end to Syria’s civil war and abandon the “futile pursuit of a military solution.”

“It is regrettable that, from the very beginning of the conflict in Syria, one-sided interests have prevailed and in fact hindered the search for a solution that would have avoided the senseless massacre now unfolding,” the pope said in a letter to Russian President Vladimir Putin, who is hosting leaders of the Group of 20 major economies in St. Petersburg.

“To the leaders present, to each and every one, I make a heartfelt appeal for them to help find ways to overcome the conflicting positions and to lay aside the futile pursuit of a military solution.”
http://www.thereporteronline.com/articl ... ria-strike
I think ultimately the Russians are going in to save the Americans from themselves. There will be an anniversary held later this year in New York to elaborate the anniversary of when Tsar Nicholas sent Russian ships to New York and San Francisco to prevent the British and the French from intervening in America's "civil war" (it was not a civil war) during 1861 to 1864 in which roughly 600,000 Americans were killed.

On September 24, 1863 the Russian Baltic fleet began to arrive in New York harbor. On October 12, the Russian Far East fleet began to arrive in San Francisco abruptly cutting off the Anglo-French plan to bombard Boston and New York.


I think when this is finally concluded concerning Syria Americans with any sentient ability remaining need to begin seriously cutting their love affair with the Anglo-American sphere which is in many respects at the heart of America's current dysfunctional system of government (privatized) and influence in the world.

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 06 Sep 2013 09:19
by habal
Naval firepower

US Navy/PLA Navy/Russian Navy

1)Aircraft Carriers: 10 / 1 / 1
2)Destroyers+cruisers:61 / 25 /18
3)Frigates : 24 / 47 / 5
4)corvettes :0 / 0 / 72
5)Submarines: 71 /63 / 58

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 06 Sep 2013 09:27
by ramana
Best case:
So lets list the outcomes for India.
- No matter the outcome price of oil will go up. India goes for alternate energy to reduce oil import costs. Mukesh Ambani finally starts pumping real gas from the KG basin

- Syria plunges deeper into civil war
1) Assad survives and finishes off the al-mobs
2) Al-mob dregs go back and finish of the Arab spring making it an Arab autumn if not a winter
3) FUKUS get mired in Syria

so on....

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 06 Sep 2013 09:52
by habal
You cannot predict because all the parties involved believe in Game Changers. People like Bandar Bush, Kerry, Obama, McCain, Billary are folks with low ethical standards and no moral compass. They calmly believe in sacrificing people to achieve their targets. So unless this group settles down to their next dirty trick like launching chemical weapons into civilian localities.

Or else now a new threat that can emerge in this new situation. Since such a large number of navies are massed at med, clanking away at each other, a US destroyer or two could be shot at with rockets and blame pinned on Assad. This could well be the next 'game changer'. Then war-mongering will start all over again, this time giving very little breathing space since 'assets are already in place'.

If these 'surprises' are done away with then there is little chance of external intervention in Syria, Obama may be persuaded to settle for a negotiated truce and he may use that time to improve on strategy for the next round of 'regime-change'. Assad will finish off the Al-mobs in 4 months if he is left alone. Saudis will go back to crying hoarse over Iran. Syria will have to pick up the pieces and maybe a sneak chemical attack or two or terrorist attack on a small damascus reactor will seriously deplete it's human resource and give new hope to Al-. terrorists.

thanks to Obama, all iz well in Libya

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 97041.html

Libya has plunged unnoticed into its worst political and economic crisis since the defeat of Gaddafi
PATRICK COCKBURN
TUESDAY 03 SEPTEMBER 2013
A little under two years ago, Philip Hammond, the Defence Secretary, urged British businessmen to begin “packing their suitcases” and to fly to Libya to share in the reconstruction of the country and exploit an anticipated boom in natural resources.

Yet now Libya has almost entirely stopped producing oil as the government loses control of much of the country to militia fighters.

Mutinying security men have taken over oil ports on the Mediterranean and are seeking to sell crude oil on the black market. Ali Zeidan, Libya’s Prime Minister, has threatened to “bomb from the air and the sea” any oil tanker trying to pick up the illicit oil from the oil terminal guards, :lol: who are mostly former rebels who overthrew Muammar Gaddafi and have been on strike over low pay and alleged government corruption since July.

As world attention focused on the coup in Egypt and the poison gas attack in Syria over the past two months, Libya has plunged unnoticed into its worst political and economic crisis since the defeat of Gaddafi two years ago. Government authority is disintegrating in all parts of the country putting in doubt claims by American, British and French politicians that Nato’s military action in Libya in 2011 was an outstanding example of a successful foreign military intervention which should be repeated in Syria.

In an escalating crisis little regarded hitherto outside the oil markets, output of Libya’s prized high-quality crude oil has plunged from 1.4 million barrels a day earlier this year to just 160,000 barrels a day now. Despite threats to use military force to retake the oil ports, the government in Tripoli has been unable to move effectively against striking guards and mutinous military units that are linked to secessionist forces in the east of the country.

Libyans are increasingly at the mercy of militias which act outside the law. Popular protests against militiamen have been met with gunfire; 31 demonstrators were shot dead and many others wounded as they protested outside the barracks of “the Libyan Shield Brigade” in the eastern capital Benghazi in June.
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The Interior Minister, Mohammed al-Sheikh, resigned last month in frustration at being unable to do his job, saying in a memo sent to Mr Zeidan that he blamed him for failing to build up the army and the police. He accused the government, which is largely dominated by the Muslim Brotherhood, of being weak and dependent on tribal support. Other critics point out that a war between two Libyan tribes, the Zawiya and the Wirrshifana, is going on just 15 miles from the Prime Minister’s office.
:rotfl:

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 06 Sep 2013 10:04
by member_27444
The Finals will be KSA vs Iran for domination of ME
That means India has to walk tight rope better to be with Iran as it shares border with TSP
and in cases like Duryodhana asking for army instead of righteous person to guide ( Krishna )
TSP and KSA are already stuck together.
TSP might have already given some war heads to KSA and India should not allow Iran to nukklear so as to create dependency

Ombaba has no option otherwise it will be Failure to Launch( no not the movie)

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 06 Sep 2013 10:29
by habal
about mukhabarat yahudi 'intercepting' Syrian military communication about the chemical attack in Eastern Ghouta.
"...The GCHQ listening post on Mount Troodos in Cyprus is arguably the most valued asset which the UK contributes to UK/US intelligence cooperation. The communications intercept agencies, GCHQ in the UK and NSA in the US, share all their intelligence reports (as do the CIA and MI6). "

"...Israel has repeatedly been involved in the Syrian civil war, carrying out a number of illegal bombings and missile strikes over many months. This absolutely illegal activity by Israel- which has killed a great many civilians, including children - has brought no condemnation at all from the West. Israel has now provided “intelligence” to the United States designed to allow the United States to join in with Israel’s bombing and missile campaign.

The answer to the Troodos Conundrum is simple. Troodos did not pick up the intercepts because they do not exist. Mossad fabricated them. John Kerry’s “evidence” is the shabbiest of tricks. More children may now be blown to pieces by massive American missile blasts. It is nothing to do with humanitarian intervention. It is, yet again, the USA acting at the behest of Israel."
Some interesting facts about Sarin
Unwieldy For Weapons Use In
Syria, Sarin Is A Bogeyman

By Yoichi Shimatsu
9-1-13


The prime cause for agonizing over Syria, sarin is the bogeyman of chemical warfare because it is odorless, lethal and vaporizes without any dispersant, yet it is too cumbersome and risky for use in street combat in a low-tech battlefront like Syria. Much like a child’s worst nightmare, this chemical warfare agent is a low-probability threat, if at all, especially in areas without refrigeration support systems and personnel with extensive training in handling toxic chemicals. Sarin makes for splendid propaganda, but is practically useless in ground combat for or against guerrillas, which is why it has rarely, if ever, been used for tactical purposes.

The last time that sarin was allegedly dispersed for mass murder was in the Tokyo subway gassing of March 1995. As the only journalist present with training in chemistry, I covered that case for more than a year as head of the investigation team for The Japan Times Weekly and consultant to the Takarajima-30 magazine, the only two publications that dared challenge the official government cover-up. To put it bluntly, sarin was not used against the subways, and if anyone did try to unleash it in Syria, it would likelier kill the would-be assailant than his enemies.

For the laymen without highly specialized training, opening a container of sarin is suicide. Recent reports from Gouta indeed indicate that rebels unwitting opened a cylinder of sarin shipped by Saudi intelligence agency without instructions, killing themselves and civilians in the vicinity. Had the Syrian armed forces fired binary artillery shells that burst over target sites, many more thousands of people would died in Gouta. One micro-drop of sarin exposure on the skin, much less through respiration, will kill the victims. Therefore, the video clips of civilians fleeing from buildings with handkerchiefs over their noses are a sign of panic. Anyone who was exposed to the accidental release would have died quickly. Sarin does not wound, it kills.

Exploding Media Myths

The first myth that had to be exploded in Tokyo was the Japanese government’s claim that sarin was used in the rush-hour attack on 200,000 commuters traveling underground. The Weekly was the only press to interview the chemical warfare unit of Japan’s Self-Defense Force. These fearless soldiers descended into the subway stations with detection gear (NATO standard, U.S. made). Their air sampling indicated that the toxic agent was mustard gas (chlorine). In fact, the symptoms of profuse bleeding from mouth and nose were consistent with mustard gas and not sarin. (No such symptoms of bleeding have come out of Syria.)

Only later in hospitals did physicians detect in a minority of patients the effects of a weak organophosphate chemical with symptoms similar to those from sarin, apparently caused by one packet of insecticide.

One of SDF soldiers climbed back to the street and announced his team’s finding to a circle of reporters. Then, in the first sign of a cover-up, a bureaucrat with the Tokyo Police press club stepped forward and ordered the reporters to strike the soldier’s comments from their notes. The press officer then said: “The gas is sarin.” With those words, the battle was on, journalistically speaking, which eventually resulted in the silencing by imprisonment of a high-ranking politician on vaguely related charges.

Branded as a Nazi

Sarin, a weapon of mass destruction invented in Nazi Germany, is a “trigger word” that can invoke press censorship among all NATO-allied countries, including Japan. Trigger words are a key to information control and protection of clandestine operations from exposure during a crisis. Once again, in the current Syria crisis, the bogey word “sarin” is being deployed to prevent the international press from reporting on the complexity of a political conflict involving state-sponsored terrorism and religious sectarianism, two other legacy taboos from the postwar denazification era. Predictably pushing buttons of guilt and hysteria, the Israel intelligence service Mossad and its Zionist supporters in Washington have been manipulating the Syrian sarin claim in an attempt to equate the Baathist regime with the Nazi party.

As stated in 1995 by one Russian toxicologist, after watching the broadcasts from Tokyo, “if sarin had been used, hundreds of thousands of commuters would have died immediately, and so the gas could not have been sarin.” The same can be said about the Damascus suburbs. A missile load of sarin should have wiped out the entire neighborhood, leaving few if any survivors. If sarin was indeed the agent, then the poisoning had to be self-inflicted, due to the inability of the rebels to properly handle the highly volatile material. As for the earlier reports of poisoning across Syria, the science-based conclusion is the same as in the Tokyo subway case: Less lethal pesticides were used.

The flaw in sarin, from a military point of view, is that it decomposes too rapidly. Whatever so-called experts might claim to the media, dilute or “weak” sarin is nonsense. Once decay begins, the entire batch soon loses its punch. The organophosphate agent has to be frozen to prevent its breakdown into lesser fluoride and sulfide components. Power blackouts across Syria ensure that any heating of sarin gas will soon kill those who possess it.

This inherent chemical instability means that sarin has to be stored and delivered as two separate precursor liquids and mixed en route to target. Sarin is thereby produced quite literally in midair, requiring an explosion of a binary artillery shell or rocket with its precursors divided into two compartments.

The other method of mix-and-spray nerve gas is a canister with flap doors, dropped like a bomb from an aircraft. This type of long canister was discovered at an Iraqi arsenal at Balad Air Base by a U.S. National Guard squad, as told to me by its medical officer, with markings that indicated it was the organophosphate VX produced by ConocoPhilips and shipped from Houston after the First Gulf War. The covert delivery of nerve gas to Saddam Hussein after his first defeat to bolster deterrence against Iran revealed the leading role of the U.S. government in proliferation of chemical weapons worldwide.

In the recent Damascus case, the poisoning victims heard the whoosh of a rocket, but missiles move too quickly for mixing the precursors by aerial dispersal. If sarin has indeed been smuggled into Syria by Qaela-linked guerrillas, as claimed by local residents, then the main danger was to their own lives. The handling of sarin is much too complicated for layman, and just by opening a container of liquid or trying to mix a binary formula, the insurgents would kill themselves and nearby civilians. That is a probable cause of why so few deaths, less than 400 fatalities according to doctors, were reported inside a small radius. By comparison, aerial dispersal by rocket would have taken thousands of lives.
http://www.rense.com/general96/yoi.html
As the White House gardeners spray aphids in the Rose Garden, President Obama preaches about the threat of “sarin” between free-trade talks that would enable Dow Chemical and Monsanto to ship their chemical weapons to every farm and backyard around the globe. Meanwhile, a White House apology has never been given for the 16,000 deaths by gassing, and injuries to 40,000 Indians in the Bhopal industrial gas accident. The culprit Union Carbine was not bombed with Tomahawk cruise missiles and never hit with sanctions. On the contrary, Washington protected the U.S. chemical corporation from extradition and prosecution.

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 06 Sep 2013 10:33
by Anant
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/06/world ... ted=2&_r=0

I only hope and pray this is true. It's high time that smug ___ Assad and bare chested Putin got their just desserts. No matter how you slice the pie, gassing your own countrymen, women and children is unacceptable and the only reward for such actions is the ole' Saddam. And it doesn't matter 2 bits whether the Rebels did it or not. If you support the hypothesis that Assad is all powerful, then his forces should have prevented this barbaric act. If his forces aren't all powerful, then they are the cowards who did the gassing. Yet, on this board, some rich conspiratorial sources have been rolled out to support Assad. Maybe I am a minority here but I will rejoice Assad's death.

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 06 Sep 2013 10:44
by habal
Anant wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/06/world ... ted=2&_r=0

I only hope and pray this is true. It's high time that smug ___ Assad and bare chested Putin got their just desserts. No matter how you slice the pie, gassing your own countrymen, women and children is unacceptable and the only reward for such actions is the ole' Saddam. And it doesn't matter 2 bits whether the Rebels did it or not. If you support the hypothesis that Assad is all powerful, then his forces should have prevented this barbaric act. If his forces aren't all powerful, then they are the cowards who did the gassing. Yet, on this board, some rich conspiratorial sources have been rolled out to support Assad. Maybe I am a minority here but I will rejoice Assad's death.
Don't fret, Obama will arrange for a false flag on white house or nuclear attack on chappaquidick to satisfy those who cannot tolerate Putin ji's bare chests or that polite long necked dentist Assad.

Kya aukaat hain saale ki, ek root canal bhi dhang se nahin kiya hoga. aur hamse bhidne aaya hai .. hain.

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 06 Sep 2013 10:48
by KLNMurthy
eklavya wrote:
brihaspati wrote:You can laugh and rotfl - but you were caught out napping in noticing your own quote excusing in small print "short of confirmation".
:rotfl: you are clutching at straws my friend to defend the indefensible. You know very well Assad gassed his people, but you are having trouble acknowledging it for reasons best known to you. I am not in the napping business, as you know well, and nor am I in the business of making excuses for war criminals that have committed grotesque crimes against humanity.
If war crimes have been committed, it doesn't follow that US should therefore rain down bombs on a country with which it is not at war. There is, in fact, a correct way to handle this, which would have a fair chance of getting Russian and Chinese support.

Call for a full-scale international investigation to identify the individuals and organizations who were responsible for the attack, and then drag them to the War Crimes Tribunal. It will a long and painful process, and not as sexy as bombing, but it would be hard for Russia to say no to it.

In my opinion, Obama painted himself into a corner and opened himself up to easy Saudi manipulation, by issuing that "red line" ultimatum, which IMO he did because he didn't have the spine to stand up and say no when liberal busybodies like Susan Rice along with right-wing "mavericks" like John McCain (who IMO is seriously damaged from his Vietnam experience to the point that he wants to jump into any war that is going on anywhere, apparently) kept screeching at him for two years to "do something."

Read / listen to the statements by Kerry, Obama et al. They are all fire & brimstone when talking about how much the little ones suffered due to the chemical attack, and then twist themselves into knots when it comes to stating clearly that Assad's government did it, and that attacking Syria would be beneficial to America. The first because they really don't have enough confidence in Assad's guilt to justify such a drastic action (but hope that by barking loudly enough they can keep people from noticing that); the second is because there is no conceivable benefit to America, other than somehow undermining Iran.

For people on this forum, I would have thought it is obvious that it would be best for India's security if there is some sort of balance between Shias and Sunnis--with the balance slightly tilted towards the Shias who are somewhat more cultured and humane (relatively speaking). So, what is the point of baying for Assad's blood on BRF? Such things are best saved for other platforms.

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 06 Sep 2013 10:50
by member_27444
It's not Assad
It's the truth or near truth
Please watch the video of last word by Lawrence ODonnell of MSNBC
A dictator lying and being brutal is given
A democracy and its institutions lying is even bigger sin if not they are equally good or bad.
The proof need not be classified, the very same democracy fostered evil dictators
, supplied and made them straw men.
The case of Syria is not that simple to be solved on BB or ordinary court, you have to court all sides to fret out truth in which case none will smell roses afterwards

A unipolar world is very dangerous long back some one suggested that a unipolar world lead by a single nation means the world should vote on the selection of the leader,because such leaders elected with slim majority in their own country decide the fate of the world.
Precedents are being set by successive administrations. It's not the twin towers fell its the institutions and semblance just cause that fell.
This too shall pass

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 06 Sep 2013 10:51
by Anant
I wish you'd at least get your facts straight before posting. Assad is a ophthalmologist or eye doctor, not a dentist. And the fact that you keep posting about false flag attacks and Obama being an anti-christ and anti-christian makes you seem bigotted and degrades this forum. My beef with Assad is simple. He's a war criminal and therefore should pay for his acts. Your arguments on the other hand are tangential, bizzare and misguided.

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 06 Sep 2013 10:56
by member_27444
Yes trained in UK
Courted by Nancy
Visited by luminaries of the greatest democracy
and certified at that.
A secular dictator ok doctor
with some near sighted vision
No better than Kim ill
But with out nukes
Or periodic threats to west
But then he has out lived utility
Or even outlived the colorful revolutions foisted
That's the rub you see

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Added later
Pulling the wrong tooth can impair vision or eye says the doctor.

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 06 Sep 2013 11:05
by habal
Ok, I will try to follow the liar Kerry from here on.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fac ... _blog.html

this was the ocassion when Kerry had personal experience of being gassed

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ascus.html
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/09/ ... 34x509.jpg

another gasser here

http://www.theguardian.com/world/shortc ... al-weapons

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 06 Sep 2013 11:13
by Anant
Ever hear of the axiom, there are no permanent friends, just permanent interests. Assad was useful once but now is a moribund criminal. He will get his just desserts soon. And you can be rest assured for all of the big talk by the shirtless Russians and the Chinese they will be impotent as usual sitting there and watching their armory get wasted by the latest American technological achievements. I know this gives many of you here takleef but it will be fun to watch.