Islamism & Islamophobia Abroad - News & Analysis

[harbans]

See this Sheikh crying..and asking for his head..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9kAVlnGMTU

[tejas]

Hard to believe Isaac Newton and that freak ^^^ are from the same species. At least when the oil runs out Saudi Barbaria can return to its rightful place as the outhouse of the comity of nations.

[tejas]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... bd393e.481

This is a crime against humanity. Hopefully as more news of their disgusting society spreads their tourism trade fades away

[Agnimitra]

A scheduled TV program that is supposedly causing tensions between the Sikh and Moslem communities in the UK:

Sangat TV Cancels Scheduled Grooming Interview

London, England (January 20, 2012)–Sangat TV, famed for its broadcasting during the UK Riots in various parts of London, is now facing backlash from Sikh Sangat for cancelling a program which was supposed to be aired tonight. The program was meant to bring to light the story of a Sikh family whose daughter had converted to Islam after being seduced. Sangat TV on the other hand is denying this and alleging its trustees were not aware of the show and it was never advertized to take place.

The originally scheduled interview highlighted how the conversion disrupted the happy Sikh family and left it shattered. The program was well advertised online and was being awaited by Sikh masses living throughout the world and had their eyes on Sangat TV. It has been learned that Sangat TV has faced enormous pressures from third parties due to which it ended up cancelling the program temporarily.

The Sikh couple whose daughter, aged 13 at the time of conversion, highlighted in the interview the sophisticated methods used for entrapment and spoke of their daughter’s grooming along with the failings of the Police and authorities. It has been learned that the interview was conducted at least 3-4 weeks before it was to be aired. It was with extreme courage and bravery that the British Sikh Couple had decided to talk about such sensitive matters that could be life threatening to them.

The story of the Sikh couple that had their daughter seduced and forced to convert is definitely sad, however it’s not a unique story. Many cases of forced conversions have taken place in the UK, but due to many reasons, they are not discussed openly. Had this interview aired as scheduled, it would have brought much needed attention to the issue at hand.

A source close to SangatTV stated: “The Police strongly advised them not to show the [programme] today fearing increase in community tensions. A Muslim community rep today contacted the Sikh community to ask the show is not shown for sake of community cohesion. Sangat TV support the issues being raised by SAS however trustees were not aware of the recorded show nor advertised it. They need to make sure it is presented in a suitable way which does not create legal implications for the station. The two main trustees are abroad and back next week. Next week the trustees will view [the] show and if happy that it is presented in a way which doesn’t cause the channel or the community problems they are happy to put it on.“

[Agnimitra]

And Malaysia it seems will be deporting him back to Barbaria. Bull cattle case..

Yeppers.

Saudi writer faces harsh punishment

A young Saudi blogger and columnist has been deported to his homeland to face trial soon after fleeing from death threats triggered by comments on the social network Twitter seen as blasphemy against the Prophet Mohammad.

Hamza Kashgari, 23, fled Saudi Arabia four days ago but was arrested by police in Malaysia en route to New Zealand. Malaysia, which has a majority Muslim population and enjoys close ties with Arab states, sent Kashgari back on Sunday.

... Kashgari has apologised at length for his posts, however, and a Saudi lawyer said while he faced harsh punishment, it was unlikely to be the death penalty.

... “The only choice is for Kashgari to be killed and crucified in order to be a lesson to other secularists,” an online reader of al-Madina newspaper, Abu Abdulrahman, commented on the news of Kashgari's extradition on Sunday.

Malaysia's government defended on Monday its decision to extradite Kashgari. Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch had called on Malaysia not to deport Kashgari.

[Aditya_V]

And Malaysia it seems will be deporting him back to Barbaria. Bull cattle case..

Yeppers.

Saudi writer faces harsh punishment

A young Saudi blogger and columnist has been deported to his homeland to face trial soon after fleeing from death threats triggered by comments on the social network Twitter seen as blasphemy against the Prophet Mohammad.

Hamza Kashgari, 23, fled Saudi Arabia four days ago but was arrested by police in Malaysia en route to New Zealand. Malaysia, which has a majority Muslim population and enjoys close ties with Arab states, sent Kashgari back on Sunday.

... Kashgari has apologised at length for his posts, however, and a Saudi lawyer said while he faced harsh punishment, it was unlikely to be the death penalty.

... “The only choice is for Kashgari to be killed and crucified in order to be a lesson to other secularists,” an online reader of al-Madina newspaper, Abu Abdulrahman, commented on the news of Kashgari's extradition on Sunday.

Malaysia's government defended on Monday its decision to extradite Kashgari. Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch had called on Malaysia not to deport Kashgari.

It would be nice if the selective defenders of free speech in India include this in their weekend programming, I am sure there will be an audience.

[devesh]

the deafening silence of the "human rights activists" is astounding. I would have thought they would make some noises just to keep up appearances in the interest of not making their allegiances too obvious!!!

[ramana]

X-post...

Salman Khurshid’s amateurish & deeply biased play - 'Sons of Babur'

link

Despite the power vacuum during times when Utopian Idealism reached its pinnacle under Buddhism’s influence, a definite politico-cultural identity prevailed within India before Islam’s advent. These values were revived through Saint Shankara in 8th Century and Bhakti movements that galvanized the entire nation wherefore indigenous leaders emerged.
It is this Indian identity that Indian Muslims have repeatedly denied.The author’s dilemma is two pronged. On one hand is a resurgent Hindu majority, while on the other a Muslim community that resists Renaissance and acceptance of pre-Mughal influences.The former is easy to resolve since Hindus increasingly show preference for secularism and good governance, rejecting religious dogmatism. Distrust of polity continues over the latter’s opportunism in using Muslims as vote banks, Partition’s trauma, infiltration, etc. The play handles challenges facing the Muslim community vaguely even as the same resists attacks from imported Salafism, while desperately needing to look within and deal with its Indian heritage. He concedes that Muslims need to accept that modern laws have outpaced manmade Sharia and that Muslims are yet to come to terms with the fact that their rule over Hindus is over.Khurshid repeatedly invokes Sufism to legitimize Islam’s mystical aspect but forgets that the hordes that invaded India did not come here as philosophers, rather with swords to run their writ. They were bigoted medieval barbarians, attempting to assimilate a people far beyond their sensibilities. Moreover, all Indian Muslims are not Sufi.

Immigrant Americans apologize to Native Americans; Germans for the wars; Modern India denounces casteism, yet we do not see any such bold introspection in this play.The protagonist’s defense of democracy is a moral sham; the play being dedicated to the political toy, Sonia Gandhi

[akashganga]

the deafening silence of the "human rights activists" is astounding. I would have thought they would make some noises just to keep up appearances in the interest of not making their allegiances too obvious!!!

Good point. Human rights groups have not spoken out against islamic atrocities as well as they should have. At best they have spoken about minor issues in islamic societies. When it comes to India or secular west they make big issue of minor violations. This is unfortunate.

[tejas]

When you criticize India or the secular west, no one decapitates you.

[member_19686]

Maldives Museum Reopens Minus Smashed Hindu Images

By KRISHAN FRANCIS Associated Press
COLOMBO, Sri Lanka February 14, 2012 (AP)

The Maldives' national museum reopened Tuesday without some of its most valuable exhibits a week after a mob of suspected religious extremists smashed images from the pre-Islamic era of this Indian Ocean archipelago.

About 35 exhibits — mostly images of Buddha and Hindu gods — were destroyed. Some of the artifacts dated to the sixth century, museum director Ali Waheed said.

Waheed says 99 percent of the Maldives' pre-Islamic artifacts from before the 12th century, when most inhabitants were Buddhists or Hindus, were destroyed.

"Some of the pieces can be put together but mostly they are made of sandstone, coral and limestone, and they are reduced to powder," he said.

The mob of suspected Muslim extremists attacked the museum during the Maldives' unfolding political crisis. The country has seen weeks of protests and last week President Mohamed Nasheed stepped down. He later said he was forced to resign at gunpoint.

The attack was the latest blow to the island nation that is best known as a high-end tourist destination.

"We are very sad. This is the physical and archaeological evidence of the country, we have nothing to show (of the pre-Islamic history)," Waheed said.

The items had been preserved since the museum opened in 1952. Waheed said the the attackers did not understand that the museum exhibits were not promoting other religions in this Muslim country.

Practicing or preaching any religion other than Islam is prohibited by the Maldives constitution, and there have been increasing demands for conservative Muslim policies to be implemented.

Last year, a mob destroyed a monument given by Pakistan marking a South Asian summit with an engraved image of the Buddha in it. Pakistan is an Islamic republic that also has a Buddhist history.

There have been strong objections to former president Nasheed's ties with Israel and selling alcohol outside tourist resorts.

But Maldives' new President Mohammed Waheed Hassan rejected claims of rising Muslim extremism in the country.

"I don't tolerate it and it is not acceptable at all," he told reporters last week after the museum attack. "I can assure you there is no extremist violent action in this country."

Police spokesman Ahmed Shyam said investigations are ongoing into the museum attack, but no one has been arrested.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wir ... zrx8sWmgoq

[brihaspati]

After some time, because there willno longer be any archeological proof, the future Thaparites will say - since there is no archeological evidence of presence of non-Muslim religions on the islands, those claimsif any in surviving texts - must be myth and propaganda against peaceful religionists.

I think it is so important to see Maldives now - as Islamism proceeds. Because it gives us a window into how Islam actually spread. Its a great automatic experimental "history" - we see exactly who did what for what reasons. Who played it safe. Indian non-Muslim powers similarly decided to close their eyes to the reality of Islamists becuase of their greed for "profits" from "trade". It was exactly the same initial period of "peaceful" incubation and spreading onlee - preserving the imperilist genocidic memes in the texts and wait for the time when education in the proper religious way would align the bilogical greed underneath and harness it for powergrabbing by the mullahcracy. Once the majority comes into line and others are tricked into sleep - strike hard, audaciously, claiming it to be part of religious duty to erase every non-Islamic icon or symbol. This is about claiming the territory and cleaning it for consolidated power.

We should be able to understand exactly what happened 1300 years ago up in the mainland - by observing the Maldivean process.

[tejas]

Annihilation of all previous signs of culture and learning is par for the course as the "religion" of Islam spreads. This is a "philosophy" which cannot withstand any criticism and cannot be compared to what existed before its arrival. I think the reasons for that are clear to any one with a few functioning brain cells. Of course functioning gray matter and certain belief systems are mutually exclusive.

[akashganga]

It is shocking to see our hindu/buddist heritage being wiped out in front of our eyes. No indian leader is bothered about this. Going back several hundred years all of pakistan and parts of afganistan were populated by hindus/buddists. Arabs/islamists wiped out all trace of them. As recently as 15 years back when Taliban was in power they wiped out famed Bamyon Buddas which had withstood at least 1500 years. I am surprised how come Arabs/muslims have spared mighty pyromids of egypt.

Maldives Museum Reopens Minus Smashed Hindu Images

By KRISHAN FRANCIS Associated Press
COLOMBO, Sri Lanka February 14, 2012 (AP)

The Maldives' national museum reopened Tuesday without some of its most valuable exhibits a week after a mob of suspected religious extremists smashed images from the pre-Islamic era of this Indian Ocean archipelago.

About 35 exhibits — mostly images of Buddha and Hindu gods — were destroyed. Some of the artifacts dated to the sixth century, museum director Ali Waheed said.

Waheed says 99 percent of the Maldives' pre-Islamic artifacts from before the 12th century, when most inhabitants were Buddhists or Hindus, were destroyed.

"Some of the pieces can be put together but mostly they are made of sandstone, coral and limestone, and they are reduced to powder," he said.

The mob of suspected Muslim extremists attacked the museum during the Maldives' unfolding political crisis. The country has seen weeks of protests and last week President Mohamed Nasheed stepped down. He later said he was forced to resign at gunpoint.

The attack was the latest blow to the island nation that is best known as a high-end tourist destination.

"We are very sad. This is the physical and archaeological evidence of the country, we have nothing to show (of the pre-Islamic history)," Waheed said.

The items had been preserved since the museum opened in 1952. Waheed said the the attackers did not understand that the museum exhibits were not promoting other religions in this Muslim country.

Practicing or preaching any religion other than Islam is prohibited by the Maldives constitution, and there have been increasing demands for conservative Muslim policies to be implemented.

Last year, a mob destroyed a monument given by Pakistan marking a South Asian summit with an engraved image of the Buddha in it. Pakistan is an Islamic republic that also has a Buddhist history.

There have been strong objections to former president Nasheed's ties with Israel and selling alcohol outside tourist resorts.

But Maldives' new President Mohammed Waheed Hassan rejected claims of rising Muslim extremism in the country.

"I don't tolerate it and it is not acceptable at all," he told reporters last week after the museum attack. "I can assure you there is no extremist violent action in this country."

Police spokesman Ahmed Shyam said investigations are ongoing into the museum attack, but no one has been arrested.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wir ... zrx8sWmgoq

[member_19686]

Why go so far as Maldives, Indian "leaders" can't be bothered in India itself (all a part of a great "chanakian" strategy I am sure).

In the only Muslim majority state in India, they drove out the Hindus from the Muslim majority part of the state, just a "coincidence" of course.

Meanwhile:

Islamist Death Threats Force Out Bosnia Minister
After Sarajevo canton's education minister, Emir Suljagic, resigned last week citing repeated threats to his security, slogans in his support have appeared in the streets of the capital.

Elvira Jukic BIRN Sarajevo

Slogans declaring support for the former Education Minister of Sarajevo Canton, Emir Suljagic, appeared on February 13 on sites around the capital, reading, “We are all Emir S.”, “Dignity Rather Than a Chair” and “Watch Out, a Bullet”.

Suljagic resigned on Friday last week, citing death threats to his family from hardline Muslims opposed to educational reforms allegedly downplaying the importance of religion.

On Wednesday, Suljagic received a death threat at his home in the form of a short letter and a 7.32 caliber bullet.

“Abandon Allah and his religion and the hand of the faithful will get you," the message read. Two days after, Suljagic sent the cantonal assembly his resignation letter.

Suljagic said he was not ready to submit to such pressures. In a letter published on Friday on the cantonal government website he said his only remaining option was to quit.

“Those hiding behind religion to threaten me and my family are misusing religion to keep the power and privileges they undeservingly enjoy,” Suljagic said in the letter.

Friday's resignation was not Suljagic's first since he took the ministerial post in January 2011.

Pressures began building on Suljagic last year when he ruled that religious education scores in primary schools would no longer be relevant to pupils' average scores at the end of the year.

That act was attacked by Muslim clergy as an attempt to abolish or downgrade religious education in primary schools.

The head of the Islamic community in Bosnia, Mustafa Ceric, publicly asked Suljagic to withdraw the decision, which he refused to do.

After he failed to receive support from the cantonal government, led by his colleagues from the Social Democratic Party, SDP, Suljagic resigned in May. The cantonal government and the SDP leadership then persuaded him to stay at the post.

Some media said that an additional reason for Suljagic's fresh resignation last week was further lack of support from the Social Democrats.

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article ... logans-say

[Agnimitra]

Londonistan Zindabad!

Eccles sex-slave trial girl was 'stabbed for smiling at man', court told

A woman allegedly imprisoned in a cellar, raped and kept as a virtual slave while a child was stabbed in the stomach for smiling, a jury was told.

The woman, who is deaf and unable to speak, is said to have been subjected to years of abuse after being trafficked into Britain from Pakistan.

It is alleged that she was locked in a cellar by Ilyas Ashar, 83, and his wife Tallat Ashar, 66, at their home on Cromwell Road in Eccles, Salford, and forced to sew, wash, cook and clean without pay.

A jury at Manchester Minshull Street Crown Court was told she slept on the cellar’s concrete floor without access to a toilet until she was rescued by police in June 2009.

She is also said to have been regularly beaten, repeatedly raped and assaulted.

The couple are on trial and deny any mistreatment. The woman gave police a series of 14 video-recorded interviews using sign language.

Jurors yesterday continued to watch the recorded interviews.

In one recording, the woman who cannot be named for legal reasons, described how she was viciously assaulted at the home after she returned a smile from Ilyas Ashar.

She said his wife Tallat saw the exchange and got ‘really mad’, plunging a kitchen knife into the girl’s stomach, causing her to vomit and bleed heavily.

Through a signer, the woman told police in an interview: "The old lady was watching me and I was really frightened. The old lady was really mad because I smiled back. She saw me smiling at him and she stabbed me with a knife. It was really sore.

"It was bleeding. It was really bad and I was being sick. It was really sharp."

The woman said the couple used cloths and plasters to treat her. She added that after ‘three sleeps’ she believed she was taken to a male doctor and given tablets, but the wound was not mentioned.

She said her cleaning and cooking duties continued. She said: "I was still woken up and I would do different jobs in the house. I did not really get to rest that much."

Earlier, the woman told how the couple had arranged a passport for her. She told police in interviews she remembered having her photograph taken and using her thumbprint on a document. She added that she recalled seeing ‘staff’ when she landed in the country but she could not understand them.

She told police: "There were staff that I looked at. They looked at me and they looked at my passport. They were talking and I did not understand them."

The jury also heard that the woman was shuttled back and forth from Pakistan to Britain several times to cook and clean.

Ilyas Ashar denies charges of false imprisonment, human trafficking and 12 counts of rape. Tallat Ashar denies charges of false imprisonment, trafficking, sexual assault and unlawful wounding. The couple, and their daughter Faaiza Ashar, 44, also deny benefit fraud charges.

[akashganga]

Recently I was talking to an egyptian moslem. This arab/egyptian moslem was very proud of great pyramids and pharoas. These arab islamists even take pride in their pre-historic past. The madman saddam hussain preserved thousands of years of pre-islamic babylonian artifacts. When it comes to Indian subcontinent muslims destroy their pre-islamic past. Their heroes are in arabic lands. In turn arabs consider Muslims of the subcontinent as second rate muslims. What a tragedy.

Why go so far as Maldives, Indian "leaders" can't be bothered in India itself (all a part of a great "chanakian" strategy I am sure).

In the only Muslim majority state in India, they drove out the Hindus from the Muslim majority part of the state, just a "coincidence" of course.

Meanwhile:

Islamist Death Threats Force Out Bosnia Minister
After Sarajevo canton's education minister, Emir Suljagic, resigned last week citing repeated threats to his security, slogans in his support have appeared in the streets of the capital.

Elvira Jukic BIRN Sarajevo

Slogans declaring support for the former Education Minister of Sarajevo Canton, Emir Suljagic, appeared on February 13 on sites around the capital, reading, “We are all Emir S.”, “Dignity Rather Than a Chair” and “Watch Out, a Bullet”.

Suljagic resigned on Friday last week, citing death threats to his family from hardline Muslims opposed to educational reforms allegedly downplaying the importance of religion.

On Wednesday, Suljagic received a death threat at his home in the form of a short letter and a 7.32 caliber bullet.

“Abandon Allah and his religion and the hand of the faithful will get you," the message read. Two days after, Suljagic sent the cantonal assembly his resignation letter.

Suljagic said he was not ready to submit to such pressures. In a letter published on Friday on the cantonal government website he said his only remaining option was to quit.

“Those hiding behind religion to threaten me and my family are misusing religion to keep the power and privileges they undeservingly enjoy,” Suljagic said in the letter.

Friday's resignation was not Suljagic's first since he took the ministerial post in January 2011.

Pressures began building on Suljagic last year when he ruled that religious education scores in primary schools would no longer be relevant to pupils' average scores at the end of the year.

That act was attacked by Muslim clergy as an attempt to abolish or downgrade religious education in primary schools.

The head of the Islamic community in Bosnia, Mustafa Ceric, publicly asked Suljagic to withdraw the decision, which he refused to do.

After he failed to receive support from the cantonal government, led by his colleagues from the Social Democratic Party, SDP, Suljagic resigned in May. The cantonal government and the SDP leadership then persuaded him to stay at the post.

Some media said that an additional reason for Suljagic's fresh resignation last week was further lack of support from the Social Democrats.

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article ... logans-say

[Agnimitra]

Here is an example of an ecumenical, liberal spiritual person's gesture of "accepting" Islam. Will this kind of engagement help Islam drop its guard and come out of the qabila into the sunshine of civil society? Or are such people suckers who are signing up for a lot of stuff they don't realize?

Note also how his father and he decided to patronize Islam due to being upset with Jewish lobby influence in their own country (US).

Oliver Stone's son converts to Islam in Iran

Sean Stone, the son of acclaimed film director Oliver Stone converted to Islam in Iran on Tuesday in a ceremony in the city of Isfahan.

Stone, a filmmaker like his Oscar-winning father, told AFP that "the conversion to Islam is not abandoning Christianity or Judaism, which I was born with. It means I have accepted Mohammad and other prophets."

The 27-year-old, whose father is Jewish and whose mother is Christian is in Iran filming a documentary.

Iranian media reported that Stone converted to Shi'ite Islam and has changed his first name to Ali.

According to the Tehran Times, Stone traveled to Iran in September to search for locations on a film he was shooting on the poet Rumi and Persian mysticism. The Times quoted Stone as saying that he needed to study Persian culture in order to get a feeling for its rituals and traditions.

Earlier this month, Stone was a participant in the Hollywoodism and Cinema conference in Tehran, where he was honored by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Sean's father Oliver ruffled feathers in July 2010 when he gave an interview to Britain's Sunday Times in which he downplayed the Holocaust, defended Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and complained about Jewish influence in the United States.

He told the newspaper that “Hitler did far more damage to the Russians than the Jewish people, 25 or 30 million.” He discussed what he called “Jewish domination of the media,” and said Israel had “f***** up United States foreign policy for years.”

Stone later apologized for the comments after being criticized by Jewish groups, including the Anti-Defamation League.

[MurthyB]

^^^^ in regards to above, the following essay is worth a read, a bit hilarious:

CAN ISLAM SAVE THE WHITE MAN?

In the aftermath of the 1960s the white man has become a less than popular species. Whether it is the rise of feminism and African-American studies or post-colonialism, moral relativism and post-modernism the role of the white man in the West has been in a steady decline. From affirmative action to multi-culturalism and diversity he is no longer the top of the roost. Whether it is critiques of 'white privilege' or the condemnation of history as 'dead white men' the role of the white man and his history and the Christian religion has been increasingly marginalized.

In a controversial episode that gained some media attention in 2007 there was a story of a Muslim mosque in Texas and how the local bigoted intolerant Christian white townspeople decided to start holding pig races near it. The controversy was that Muslims find pigs offensive. The television crew went down to Texas to find the victimized Muslims who were being discriminated against by intolerant white trash. They found the Muslim leader of the mosque. He was a convert. He was originally an overweight white redneck. But now he was a Muslim. He spoke with the same Texas twang. But now he had a 20 year old Morrocan wife who was completely obedient and covered up. He still enjoyed shooting his rifle. He apparently obstained from drinking but everything else in his life remained the same. Here was the overweight white hick, usually portrayed as a racist chauvinist, but now he had become the victim and a member of America's Most Favored Minority (MFM), Islam.

[ramana]

Romas took up Christianity to preserve their Empire. At that time the population was ten percent Christian out of total Roman Empire population of sixty million.

They might do the same. I think the Brits, the new Romans will be the first to go green.
Then Indian psec will rush in to follow the master.

[MurthyB]

^^^ You should read the whole article. He is being sarcastic:

And if he was sort of racist, calling blacks 'Kaffir' or 'Abd' (slave) it wasn't 'racist' but also part of his 'culture' because Kaffir means 'infidel' and everyone knows that there is no racism in Islam. If he supported the genocide in Darfur by the white Arabs suddenly it wasn't racist because as every good liberal knows the conflict in Darfur isn't about 'race', its about resources and its due to 'global warming'. Suddenly if he supported the Apartheid regimes in the Gulf Arab states where the countries are governed by a white Arab elite and immigrants make up the vast majority of the people and the labourers, it wasn't considered Apartheid but a glittering wonder called 'Dubai', a respectable place to vacation.

So, white man, are you ready to become a minority again after all these years of being in the dog house? Are you ready for the wine-drinking arrogant leftists to love you again? Are you ready for people to want to learn about your culture again? Are you tired of being called a 'hick, redneck, white, hillbilly racist?' Do you want to hate black people and gays and abortion and have it be considered exotic and 'cultural'? Do you want to blow up abortion clinics, gay bars and federal buildings and have people call you a 'militant'? Do you want to hate the Jews and deny the Holocaust and have people love you for it?

[devesh]

if Britain takes up Islam, they will have the ammo to revert to brutish imperialism without any angelic taqyia. Islam will give them the excuse to be guilt free and also make it unnecessary to hide their true nature.

[anupmisra]

Future of India is in safe hands. MUSLIM BOY FROM INDIA HATES SALMAN RUSHDIE

[akashganga]

Romas took up Christianity to preserve their Empire. At that time the population was ten percent Christian out of total Roman Empire population of sixty million.

They might do the same. I think the Brits, the new Romans will be the first to go green.
Then Indian psec will rush in to follow the master.

If britain and the west accepts islam then the world will be one of a hell. Islamists with trigger on nukes will wipe out any traces of pre-islam anywhere in the world. Human race may not survive.

[uddu]

That's not going to happen. The Labour party going out of power for being too soft on Islamist and promoting Islam in England is one sign of that change. What they have done for this long may now be stopped and reversed. Law of the land will need to be enforced to rout out practices that are against the law of the land.
The kind of positive view that Islam enjoyed never exits today. Earlier it was the religion of peace. Today how many articles you read with such a message. It all ended with 9/11 attack. From then people are trying to look at Islam and understand it. The attacks against minorities, persecution of minorities in Islamic countries and their rules and hostility towards other religious believes has made people to have a better understanding of Islam. And the attacks like that by Boko Haram etc at regular intervals are not helping Islamic cause in anyway but is in a way making people to leave Islam.

[JwalaMukhi]

If one goes by the record there is no instance of islamism reverting back, with the possible exceptions of Spain and India to some extent. Any region that had islamism continues to have the same. Only the pace of its spread has been hampered. There are many instances of it being fought to a detente of slowing the spread. Reverting would require lot of retribution, which only Spain undertook. Most societies do not have the capacity to indulge in such retributions that rollback and eliminate islamism. Most societies only work towards a detente, with the hope somehow islamism will be reformed, although there is no evidence for such.

The only society that probably would rollback by indulging in retribution would be in xinjiang province. Else other societies do not have stomach to match the violence.
Any examples of islamism being eliminated from a society which has its grip? One could convert S.korea into something else, but not a chance to convert arabian lands into something else without retributive practices.
On the whole, fatigue would set in societies such as brits, who would easily turn to islamophiles, instead of islamophobes. The path of least resistance for brits seems to be islamopasand.

[Agnimitra]

The kind of positive view that Islam enjoyed never exits today. Earlier it was the religion of peace. Today how many articles you read with such a message. It all ended with 9/11 attack. From then people are trying to look at Islam and understand it. The attacks against minorities, persecution of minorities in Islamic countries and their rules and hostility towards other religious believes has made people to have a better understanding of Islam. And the attacks like that by Boko Haram etc at regular intervals are not helping Islamic cause in anyway but is in a way making people to leave Islam.

It all depends on which segments of Western (and even Indic) society you look at. There is a large and growing section of these societies where the layman feels dissatisfied, disempowered and threatened by what he sees as an arrogant, manipulative, conspiratorial global elite. He feels he is being kept in the dark about the agenda of the elites of his society, and he doesn't know his "civilizational role" any longer - especially since his own deracinated history has been deconstructed to death by the leftist brigade in his own society. He doesn't trust the mainstream media narrative anymore, or justifies militancy based on the perceived imperialism of his own elites, of which he himself increasingly feels like a victim, or a sympathizer of victims.

He wants retributive "justice", he wants mobilization, he wants a simple, solid framework in which he known his place, he wants a way to justify the violence of history and its deracination, the crimes and ideologies that his ancestors used, or those that they bore. He wants that certainty, he wants peace, even if its the peace of the graveyard (of culture and civilizations), and he wants mobilization anew - a mobilization that will encyst the whole world in order to justify itself and end all other eddy narratives.

It is this segment that is fast taking to Islamism. The number of Westerners (white, not just black) who are converting to Islam in the Anglosphere has increased after 9/11, not decreased. This is the psycho-social contour along which the qabila and its caravan is picking up converts. Many of these white converts become community leaders, usually scholarly, and are pampered no end by the Arab, Turk and most of all Pakistani congregations. This sense of recognition and new leadership destiny is tremendous and seductive.

[Aditya_V]

Future of India is in safe hands. MUSLIM BOY FROM INDIA HATES SALMAN RUSHDIE

You know whats the best part, in years of pandering to Fundamentalists among various types of Muslims in India, taking thier viewpoint, blanking out negative acts done by some in the community. These guys with a enormous sense of victim hood have a huge grouse against the media Truly appeasement is not going to work with them.

[dada]

A very strong sense of victimhood is the core element of paki identity or muslim identity in general. Political islam & the muslim cultures have been inculcating this "sense" in younger generations for the last 1400 years. Today this sense has become self sustaining ! So the problem is here to stay & grow in coming years.
Once a man sees himself as "victim" he confers on himself the right to abuse power in the name of protection and self-preservation. Rising sense of victimhood is related to spirit of jihad. Modern Jihad is not related to self-defense at all but appeal to self-defense strengthens those who advocate it.If all Muslims are victims of some outsider's conspiracy then any act of Jihad becomes an act of self-defense. This was OBL’s explicit rational for 9-11 attack.

For 1400 years, islam promised its members that if a society follows muhammed & his quran with absolute devotion then wealth, political power, authority over non-muslims, etc etc is assured ! This was not wrong atleast till 1850. so the conversions continued. Today nobody will believe this crap. It has become become clear even to reasonably intelligent muslims .Today the empirical evidence and experience of the people run directly against the claims of Islam.

[akashganga]

That is a good point. Muslims always portray themselves as victims. Even fundamentalist christians specially catholic types portray themselves as victims. I guess the root cause of this can be traced to their belief system. Their religion emphasis belief over truth/reasoning. Whenever somebody starts using reasoning/truth they have a fear that their dogma cannot face that. Thank got for us Indians/Hindus the emblem says 'Satyameva Jayate'.

A very strong sense of victimhood is the core element of paki identity or muslim identity in general. Political islam & the muslim cultures have been inculcating this "sense" in younger generations for the last 1400 years. Today this sense has become self sustaining ! So the problem is here to stay & grow in coming years.
Once a man sees himself as "victim" he confers on himself the right to abuse power in the name of protection and self-preservation. Rising sense of victimhood is related to spirit of jihad. Modern Jihad is not related to self-defense at all but appeal to self-defense strengthens those who advocate it.If all Muslims are victims of some outsider's conspiracy then any act of Jihad becomes an act of self-defense. This was OBL’s explicit rational for 9-11 attack.

For 1400 years, islam promised its members that if a society follows muhammed & his quran with absolute devotion then wealth, political power, authority over non-muslims, etc etc is assured ! This was not wrong atleast till 1850. so the conversions continued. Today nobody will believe this crap. It has become become clear even to reasonably intelligent muslims .Today the empirical evidence and experience of the people run directly against the claims of Islam.

[tejas]

Since its inception adherents of Islam have murdered an estimated 270 million innocent people worldwide including 90 million Hindus, muslims are victims? Please. After just recovering from gastroenteritis last week, I don't want to start vomiting again right now.

[akashganga]

Genocide of tens of millions of hindus at the hands of muslims for the last several hundred years is the most horrible human right atrocity no one and no country even acknowledges. Yet muslims in the subcontinent are portrayed by many in the media as victims. Bhagwan save the indian civilisation and indian kaffirs (Hindus, Buddists, Jains, Sikhs, athiests).

Since its inception adherents of Islam have murdered an estimated 270 million innocent people worldwide including 90 million Hindus, muslims are victims? Please. After just recovering from gastroenteritis last week, I don't want to start vomiting again right now.

[Prem]

Genocide of tens of millions of hindus at the hands of muslims for the last several hundred years is the most horrible human right atrocity no one and no country even acknowledges. Yet muslims in the subcontinent are portrayed by many in the media as victims. Bhagwan save the indian civilisation and indian kaffirs (Hindus, Buddists, Jains, Sikhs, athiests).

Since its inception adherents of Islam have murdered an estimated 270 million innocent people worldwide including 90 million Hindus, muslims are victims? Please. After just recovering from gastroenteritis last week, I don't want to start vomiting again right now.

I belive Indian losses in physical death are above 100Million Mark .

[dada]

There is no "sense of victimhood" among the muslim elite(obviously!). but this sense is present & sustained by the heavily skewed muslim cultures among the muslim masses(mostly converts) for the last few centuries!. Have you noted how the brainwashed younger generations of these converted masses have been used as jihad fodder during wars & bonded labour during the peace times?

Muslim elites in pk dont trust these people fully. so they have sustained the anti-hindu logic in their education system even after 65 yrs after partition to extinguish all possibility of reversion !


#akashganga

in 21st century religion must be defined in terms of "verb" NOT "nouns" (beliefs! etc)
verb = mental / intellectual activity-process
noun = output of a mental / intellectual activity-process

A person who "reasons" is superior to a Person who "believes"
A Religious Person in 21st Century reasons !
A process view of religion is essential for further progress.

[pgbhat]

FBI arrests would-be Capitol bomber outside D.C.
no pacqui connection.....as yet

A 29-year-old Moroccan man who authorities say wanted to be the first suicide bomber on U.S. soil was arrested Friday after strapping on what he thought was an explosive vest and headed for the U.S. Capitol, CBS News' John Miller reports.

A Capitol Hill source identified the suspect as Amine El Khalifi, a Moroccan citizen who has lived in the United States for more than 12 years. He was taken down by FBI agents in Alexandria, Va., outside Washington.

Note that he was in VA.

[MurthyB]

Public School Student Quits Choir When Forced to Sing "There is no truth except Allah"



The interesting thing is that this song is "Zikr" from A. R. Rahman who composed it for the movie on Subhas Chandra Bose, Netaji.

From

Colorado student quits high school choir over Islamic hymn proclaiming "There is no truth except Allah"

"I don’t want to come across as a bigot or a racist, but I really don’t feel it is appropriate for students in a public high school to be singing an Islamic worship song,” Harper told KREX-TV. "This is worshipping another God, and even worshipping another prophet ... I think there would be a lot of outrage if we made a Muslim choir say Jesus Christ is the only truth."

Rahman, who has sold hundreds of millions of records and is well-known in his homeland, has said the song is not intended for a worship ceremony. He told FoxNews.com in a written statement that the song, composed for the move "Bose, the Forgotten Hero," is about "self-healing and spirituality."

"It is unfortunate that the student in Colorado misinterpreted the intention of the song," Rahman said. "I have long celebrated the commonalities of humanity and try to share and receive things in this way. While I respect his decision for opting out, this incident is an example of why we need further cultural education through music.”

Also: Colorado Student Who Wouldn't Sing Song Praising Allah Quits School After Death Threats

[ramana]

Why are they singing such songs in Colorado High School?

[MurthyB]

The music director thought that it is a good song to expose students to another culture. Specifically, she liked its complex rhythmic structure. In the movie, it occurs during some gathering of sufis who sing and dance to this, not sure what the context is there, but obviously somewhere in India I would think. Of-course, taken out of context, played by whitebread Americans in a choir setting, and paying attention to the lyrics would certainly cause some takleef, as it did here...

[darshhan]

Why are they singing such songs in Colorado High School?

Political correctness imposed by lefties.

[akashganga]

There is no "sense of victimhood" among the muslim elite(obviously!). but this sense is present & sustained by the heavily skewed muslim cultures among the muslim masses(mostly converts) for the last few centuries!. Have you noted how the brainwashed younger generations of these converted masses have been used as jihad fodder during wars & bonded labour during the peace times?

Muslim elites in pk dont trust these people fully. so they have sustained the anti-hindu logic in their education system even after 65 yrs after partition to extinguish all possibility of reversion !


#akashganga

in 21st century religion must be defined in terms of "verb" NOT "nouns" (beliefs! etc)
verb = mental / intellectual activity-process
noun = output of a mental / intellectual activity-process

A person who "reasons" is superior to a Person who "believes"
A Religious Person in 21st Century reasons !
A process view of religion is essential for further progress.

Dadaji, Whether it is 21st century or 7th century islam is the same. So it cannot stand reasoning. You and me can reason but muslims cannot reason when it comes to their religion. That is why we see conflicts wherever muslims are present.