West Asia News and Discussions (YEMEN, gulf)

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 28 Jan 2015 18:33

This report from Tribune (Pakistan) on Kobane.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/828984/mass ... ve-out-is/

KOBANE, SYRIA: Rubble strewn streets, gutted buildings: the bloody battle for the Syrian border town of Kobane has wrought massive destruction, according to a team of AFP journalists who arrived on the scene Wednesday.
Kurdish forces recaptured the town on the Turkish frontier from the Islamic State (IS) group on Monday in a symbolic blow for the militants who have seized swathes of territory in their brutal onslaught across Syria and Iraq.
After four months of fighting, the streets — now patrolled by Kurdish militiamen with barely a civilian in sight — were a mass of rubble and gutted buildings, the journalists said.
Kurdish fighters armed with Kalashnikov rifles greeted the journalists with a hail of celebratory gunshots into the air and made the “V” for victory sign.
On Tuesday, Kurdish forces battled IS militants in villages around Kobane, but the largely deserted town was calm on Wednesday.
The Kurdish People’s Protection Units (YPG) had announced the ‘liberation’ of Kobane on Monday, depriving the IS group of a prize to add to its territory in Syria and Iraq.
The United States said Tuesday that Kurdish fighters were in control of about 90% of the town.
Observers say IS lost nearly 1,200 fighters in the battle, of a total of 1,800 killed, despite outgunning YPG forces with sophisticated weaponry captured from Iraqi and Syrian military bases.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 28 Jan 2015 18:47

What the article from .pk does not tell is that IS had obtained artillery shells and mortars from their friends and other sources. The article does not mention bombardment of civilian areas by IS, in fact the article merely mentions Kalashnikov rifles etc.

Can simple automatic rifles bring down such destruction that Kobane has seen? So who sold shells and mortars to the barbarians remains the moot question.

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 28 Jan 2015 18:55

Further news from Jordan on the captured Jordanian F16 Pilot

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/worl ... /22453709/

Jordan is ready to swap a prisoner convicted of a deadly terrorist attack on a hotel for a Jordanian pilot held by Islamic State, a top Jordan official said Wednesday, but there was no word on whether a Japanese hostage facing a 24-hour deadline would be included in any exchange.

Mohammed Al Momani, Jordan's minister for media affairs and communications, said in a statement that Jordan "is ready to release the Iraqi prisoner, Sajida al-Rishawi, if the Jordanian pilot, Lt. Muath al-Kaseasbeh, is released unharmed,'' according to Jordan's state-run news agency, Petra.

Al-Rishawi, an Iraqi woman, has been sentenced to death in Jordan for involvement in a 2005 terror attack by suicide-bombers on an Amman hotel that killed 60 people, most of them attending a wedding reception. She survived when her suicide vest failed to explode.

Al-Kaseasbeh, the pilot, was captured by the militants after his fighter jet crashed near Raqqa, Syria last month.

An exchange would run counter to Jordan's hard-line approach toward Islamic militants that, like it's U.S. ally, has included a refusal to negotiate with extremists

A swap could also set a precedent for negotiating with a militant group that previously has not publicly demanded prisoner releases.

An online message purportedly from the extremist group, also known as ISIS and ISIL, warned late Tuesday that al-Kaseasbeh and the other hostage, Japanese journalist Kenji Goto, would be killed within 24 hours unless there was a prisoner swap.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 28 Jan 2015 19:05

Jordan is OK with prisoner swap but I wonder why the Japanese did not ban ideology behind IS when a Japanese was beheaded. May be because Japan cut down upon its Nuke power that constituted 25% of overall supply in Japan. Now Japan is biggest importer of natural gas, 2nd largest coal importer and 3rd largest oil importer. link

RSoami · Post by **RSoami** » 28 Jan 2015 22:28

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/ ... XD20150128

Israel Hezbollah fighting might erupt again it seems.

Two Israeli soldiers, U.N. peacekeeper killed in Israel-Hezbollah violence

vijaykarthik · Post by **vijaykarthik** » 29 Jan 2015 08:36

^^ Retaliation without escalation seems to be the norm with both Hamas and Hizbollah. Really tied up and cant afford to get disturbed in Lebanon or Israel now. Just a 'friendly' reminder to Israel that they are listening and will retaliate. I think Israel has responded with about 100 shells and the fighting has already tapered.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 29 Jan 2015 14:24

vishvak wrote:What the article from .pk does not tell is that IS had obtained artillery shells and mortars from their friends and other sources. The article does not mention bombardment of civilian areas by IS, in fact the article merely mentions Kalashnikov rifles etc.

Can simple automatic rifles bring down such destruction that Kobane has seen? So who sold shells and mortars to the barbarians remains the moot question.

The simplest explanation will be that the ammo, cane from the Iraqi National Army stocks, that was taken over by the ISIS, when the army collapsed.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 29 Jan 2015 14:44

and with training how to use them and transported to Kobane while Uncle Sam was bombing all ISIS approaches. You USAF couldnt take out Artillery sites without air defense lying in open and ISIS was sophisticated enough to transport and fire them accurately without training??

All the while ISIS is able to get up and down across the Turkish border while there were restrictions on the Turks on the Kurds.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 29 Jan 2015 15:24

IS must have lot of ex army of Iraq who are sunni. They have oil money and are supported by many in ME including the Saudis etc. So there is no wonder they have all the things needed to cause a peaceful activities accross two nations and kill lot of infedals and so on. Lot of peacefuls accross the globe are now joining the Khalifaite.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 29 Jan 2015 15:31

RSoami wrote:http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle ... ights.ashx

Isarel has attacked Syrian army positions. This can only help ISIS.
If they had angst against the rocket attacks, wouldnt they ve attacked Hezbolah rather ?!

So far, ISIS and Israel have no problems with each other. Israel is focused only on Iran nowadays.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Jan 2015 20:58

A post by Spinster that ties WANA, Ukraine, ISIS and oil price crash in the geopolitics thread. Mull over it..

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 7#p1787307

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 30 Jan 2015 04:01

Yemen collapse from recent success story for Sunnis shows Iran is on the march in West Asia.

Watch for Yemen as Muhammad started his jihad when Yemen was ruled by Jewish kings.

Timeline to KSA split is starting.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 30 Jan 2015 18:24

Yet again suspicion that either the US,or its Arab bumchums like the Saudis and Qataris are the true masterminds and "owners" of the ISIS team in the ME-PL!

Syrian intelligence officials are seeing a huge increase of US made weapons to ISIL

Robert Tilford GroundReport
| Posted: 01/28/2015

ISIL fighters carrying US made weapons in Syria and Iraq. To such an extent that security official suggest it can't be a mere coincidence.
ISIL fighters carrying US made weapons in Syria and Iraq. To such an extent that security official suggest it can’t be a mere coincidence.

Fars news agency in Tehran is reporting that Syrian intelligence and security officials have disclosed that the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) terrorist group are “using advanced state-of-the-art weapons which are only manufactured by the US”, adding that “the largest such cargo has been dispatched to the terrorists just recently.”

“These weapons were given to the ISIL inside Syria and only kilometers away from the Turkish border,” the Arabic-language Al-Waqt news website quoted an informed source as saying on Tuesday.

This can’t be a coincidence! Remember these weapons are being used in many cases against innocent civilians in Syria and Iraq.

You can find numerous execution videos showing ISIL fighters wearing US surplus military camouflage BDU’s (Battle Dress Uniforms) and killing people with US made M-16 assault rifles.

The source noted that the advanced weapons included “anti-armor missiles as well as light and semi-heavy weaponry. “We are seeing NATO ammunition boxes as well”, said one Syrian Army commander via a social media site -who wished to remain anonymous in this report for security reason.

The report said the consignment contained the largest cargo of US-made arms aid sent to ISIL so far.

This is consistent with reports by Senator Rand Paul and other in Congress who say that the US has provided over 600 tons of weapons to Syrian rebels, many of whom are strategically allied with ISIL.

You can trace this back to actions taken by the US Congress.
See video: Senator Rand Paul against sending US weapons to Syrian rebels https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DveDwEk122Y

vijaykarthik · Post by **vijaykarthik** » 30 Jan 2015 19:53

I will not be surprised if US want Kurds to establish an independent state and take over Mosul... and the allied regions.

If they also get into a deal with Iran, that might be another dagger on KSA ambitions. Will checkpoint Turkey too. In turn Russia. But it will also mean it will bring up Iran ascendancy. However, isn't it that the Pars fields have loads of CNG?

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 30 Jan 2015 20:31

Are these US weapons from Turkey leaking to ISIS? Just does not make sense that the US is actually working against the Saudi royalty when they need their help to take down Russia.

Mihaylo · Post by **Mihaylo** » 30 Jan 2015 23:19

Tuvaluan wrote:Are these US weapons from Turkey leaking to ISIS? Just does not make sense that the US is actually working against the Saudi royalty when they need their help to take down Russia.

Unless of course, they think ISIS can be 'reigned' in once the job is done. Highly unlikely that's gonna happen.

-M

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 30 Jan 2015 23:23

Unless of course, they think ISIS can be 'reigned' in once the job is done. Highly unlikely that's gonna happen.

The job getting done is not going to happen since it is not a well defined job -- it makes more sense that Turkey is working with ISIS to topple the KSA regime and that will rock the oil markets to Russia's advantage. Especially given how Turkey is now an important ally of Russia.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 31 Jan 2015 04:18

T recall the ISIS had looted US equipped Iraqi troops? Three divisions cut and ran dropping their weapons and the banks also were looted.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 31 Jan 2015 13:00

Since the "rendition flights" were used mainly for Islamic suspects in the US's ME wars,this report is posted here. DG is also mentioned in some conspiracy theories in connection with the missing MH flight.

http://www.independent.co.uk/

CIA did use UK territory for secret interrogations and British 'must have known' what happened to those on rendition flights, claims top US official
Official confirms that suspects were quizzed at base on Diego Garcia and says British 'must have known' what happened to passengers on rendition flights

Terror suspects held by the CIA were interrogated on the British‑owned island of Diego Garcia despite the repeated denials of London and Washington that any such incidents took place, a senior American official said today.

Lawrence Wilkerson, who was the chief aide to former US Secretary of State Colin Powell, said the remote UK-administered military base in the Indian Ocean was used as a back-up location for “nefarious activities”, such as the questioning of prisoners in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, for weeks at a time.

It is the first time that a top Bush administration official has gone on the record to state that the British territory formed part of the chain of “black sites” from Poland to Afghanistan used by the CIA for interrogation and torture.

In an interview with the Vice News website, Mr Wilkerson said that Diego Garcia did not host a permanent CIA prison but was used as a back-up location to conduct interrogations and it was “difficult” to believe they could have taken place without the knowledge of the British authorities.

CIA 'torture' report: Timeline from 9/11 to Dianne Feinstein's findings

He said: “What I heard was more along the lines of using it as a transit location when perhaps other places were full or other places were deemed too dangerous or insecure, or unavailable at the moment.

“So you might have a case where you simply go in and use a facility at Diego Garcia for a month or two weeks or whatever and you do your nefarious activities there. No one has indicated there was a detention site there, not in so many words. What they indicated is that interrogations took place there.”

The testimony, based on information from four separate intelligence sources that include a CIA official who participated in Washington’s extraordinary rendition programme, flatly contradicts years of denial on both sides of the Atlantic.

The former Foreign Secretary David Miliband was forced to admit in 2008 that there had been two incidents in 2002 when CIA flights carrying detainees had refuelled on Diego Garcia, the largest of the Chagos Islands where the US has operated a base since 1973 after Britain forcibly removed hundreds of islanders. Mr Miliband said the suspects never left the plane.

Sir Menzies Campbell, a member of the parliamentary Intelligence and Security Committee, called for Mr Wilkerson’s claims to be investigated “with full rigour”. He said: “If true, they would constitute a very different picture to that which has previously been painted of the use to which Diego Garcia has been put by the United States.”

Wilkerson confirmed interrogations took place at Diego Garcia (Reuters) Wilkerson confirmed interrogations took place at Diego Garcia (Reuters)

Cori Crider, a director at the legal charity Reprieve, said: “This suggests the UK Government has not told the whole truth about Diego Garcia’s part in the CIA’s torture programme. Ministers have consistently said that only two CIA rendition victims ever landed on Diego Garcia. Mr Wilkerson’s comments suggest that either they haven’t been honest with the public or the US government hasn’t been honest with them.”

The charity said the revelations should increase pressure on the Foreign Office to publish logs recording every flight in and out of Diego Garcia. It also called for negotiations over an extension to Washington’s lease on the island, due for renewal next year, to be halted until the truth had been established.

Mr Wilkerson, 70, who served as chief of staff to Mr Powell throughout the Iraq war, said he had not learnt of the CIA’s alleged use of Diego Garcia until after he stepped down in 2005.

He said that on the basis of his own experience while serving on the island in the 1980s and information from his sources, he believed it to be unlikely that any interrogations could have happened without the knowledge of British liaison staff who are in command of the base.

If it can be proven that the British authorities knew about renditions and interrogations on Diego Garcia, the Government would come under intense pressure to establish what levels such knowledge reached. The former Prime Minister Tony Blair and Foreign Secretary Jack Straw have previously denied any use of the coral atoll for rendition.

It was reported last year by Al Jazeera that the Senate Intelligence Committee report, which provided an account of torture by the CIA, would confirm Diego Garcia was used for rendition “with the full co-operation of the UK”. When the document was published the locations of black sites had been redacted.

The Foreign Office said: “The US government has assured us, that apart from the two cases in 2002, there have been no other instances in which US intelligence flights landed in the UK, our Overseas Territories, or the Crown Dependencies with a detainee.”

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 31 Jan 2015 15:13

mosul had a major supply depot full of latest american gear for the iraqi army, isis captured that intact, plus many sunnis have joined the party, most have some sort of military training, including regular iraqi army types. what we see on tv are the foriegn 'legionaires' who are thronging to the 'cause' because they have nothing else to do.

recent report from uk suggests many of the syrian volunteers are social misfit with a big pron addiction - who get all their wishes fulfilled on the front line
glad to hear that many are being kia

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 31 Jan 2015 15:17

the war in iraq / syria is ultimately a proxy war over whose oil is better, however i get the feeling that the puppets are doing more random things than is in the script

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 01 Feb 2015 00:33

Thanks, Lalmullah and Ramana, for pointing out the source of IS's weapons, though w.r.t. funds, they seem to have earned a good bit of money by selling Iraqi oil (to whom?) in the past year.

Also, Going by the news in the past couple of days, IS's "chemical weapons expert" is killed in Iraq and IS's Afghan Chief is captured/killed in Afghanisthan -- the IS puppet is being caged to operate in specific areas without the ability to use/acquire weapons of mass destruction. Somehow, there seem to be too many powers in this new cold war that want to use the IS as their puppets...what can possibly go wrong? Not that the IS is any great shakes in fighting, given how the Kurdish women soldiers are kicking the IS in their family jewels and taking back Kurdish territory.

Now, if only the pakis would oblige the IS and share with their nukilar weapons with the IS...maybe that day will happen, given how brilliant pakis are.

KrishnaK · Post by **KrishnaK** » 01 Feb 2015 00:58

Lalmohan wrote:the war in iraq / syria is ultimately a proxy war over whose oil is better, however i get the feeling that the puppets are doing more random things than is in the script

It's going to end up like it did in Pakistan. ISIS is going to gun for it's sunni patrons very soon, if not already.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 01 Feb 2015 02:53

The number of foreigners in the IS fight is vastly understated. And how many people do you really need?
10k imports + 10k ex iraqi sunni army will give you more than the opposition can handle. The IS likely have more. The whole "training moderate syrian opposition" was a bigger kosovo than admitted.

It is not just an oil war. Oil just happens to be the only currency available. The IS is Turkey trying to be the top dog. Anything else is unintended consquence. As long as Erdogan is in power, there will remain a syrian war, and an IS state. The IS existing only in Syria would have conveniently invited a democratic invasion. Spilling into kurdistan was fine by turkey. Spilling down to kuwait border is where the problem started.

Erdogan feels he is killing three birds -- SAs top doghood, the kurd problem, and control over syria without any consequences. The israelis are looking at golan++. Except for the south iraq problem, the rest is going as they hoped, just a little slower.

Re. weapons -- turkey, libya, gulf states, iraqi army stores.

No, this will not turn into a pakistan. Turkey is difficult to be turned into a great satan. Turkey is where all the sunni money went past 9/11. Blowing up the turkey will more than hurt the wallet.

Y. Kanan · Post by **Y. Kanan** » 01 Feb 2015 03:31

Tuvaluan wrote:
Saudi and their Gulf allies created ISIS.

ISIS is no threat to them. Why would they bite the hand that still feeds them?
ISIS is feeding themselves from all the oil wells they took control of. ISIS groups attacked and killed a bunch of saudi military forces in the past month. ISIS may have been ideological progenies of saudi arabian clerics, but they are not necessarily on the side of the saudi royalty. The Saudi royals have an allergy for all sort of islamist groups that want "democracy under shariat" like the muslim brotherhood, and has actively worked to defeat them in the recent past.

I'm surprised you'd repeat that line about ISIS being a self-funded organization. That myth was put out there by the US and its Gulf allies to give them plausible deniability and divert attention from the preponderance of evidence showing the vast majority of ISIS funding comes straight from the bank accounts of wealthy oil shieks. There's recorded interviews (easily found on the 'net) where reporters are talking to various big shots in UAE, Saudi, Kuwait, Qatar where they proudly admit to channeling tens of millions to ISIS. Nobody in the western media talks about it, but it's no conspiracy theory; the evidence is staring you right in the face.

Think about it. If ISIS got most of its funding from "illicit oil sales" they'd have been dead in the water long ago. Syria would have easily bombed out the oil wells under their control long before ISIS even became a household name. It's not like the Syrian Air Force has trouble bombing anything else; they've done airstrikes all over both Syrian and Iraqi territory well out of their control. ISIS would not have thrived if their funding was that vulnerable and easy to take out.

And what about after the US air campaign started? If ISIS was truly funded by oil wells they took over, and the gulf arabs are as innocent as you claim, all the ISIS funding would have dried up as soon as the US airstrikes started. But clearly it hasn't, clearly ISIS is still as well funded as they ever were.

Obviously ISIS gets almost all its funding from the Gulf States.
Obviously this means the Gulf States consider ISIS an entity they can control and they've joined the supposed US air campaign to give themselves diplomatic cover. Just like Pakis are always staging "offensives" against militants with great press fanfare.
Obviously the US is fully aware of what's going on and is fine with it. Maybe they gave the green light to ISIS's formation in the first place.

Nobody wants to admit the obviously reality because it's so unpalatable. It means the US is effectively the worst terrorist state in the world, and that they will happily allow groups like ISIS to murder tens of thousands, including US citizens, to achieve geopolitical goals. It's an incredibly brutal and cold-blooded level of "realpolitik" that none of us are comfortable admitting could come from that beacon of democracy we're all secretly in love with. We don't want to admit that America could be so incredibly evil. And this is understandable because the American people really aren't. They don't control their govt any more than the German citizens did in 1939, and like the Germans of that time, are mostly unaware of the horrors their govt is perpetrating. Sure the American people can vote presidents and senators out of power, but the real powers that be, the unelected ruling establishment, never changes.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 01 Feb 2015 03:47

Y.Kanan wrote:

I'm surprised you'd repeat that line about ISIS being a self-funded organization. That myth was put out there by the US and its Gulf allies to give them plausible deniability and divert attention from the preponderance of evidence showing the vast majority of ISIS funding comes straight from the bank accounts of wealthy oil shieks.

Have not seen any such evidence in public, please add any links you have that make such claims. IS does control the Iraqi oil fields, and there claims that they actually made a lot of money selling the oil.
Of course, who is going to buy oil from them, if not some sympathetic government in the vicinity -- they could have been selling to Turkey or KSA or one of the neighbouring arab states., and KSA or one of the neighbouring countries seems more likely since the crude needs to be processed and Turkey does not have that capability.

But the real story here could be that the saudis are actually selling all of the Iraqi oil, which is why they can afford to cut down the oil prices to 60$ and not feel the pain. So what you say could very well be true if we see the saudis and IS flourish economically and otherwise for the next couple of years, with the US not really interested in taking down IS.

Also, the interests of the royalty in these regions is to protect their royal families, and not their citizens, so IS and muslim brotherhood may have ground support -- I am not totally dismissing what you say about US support to ISIS..the sticky point there is it is not in the US's intertests to bring down the saudi royalty, as any replacement "arab spring" government is more likely to go the ISIS way than try rather than be a dutiful US ally that it is under the royals.

IS attacking KSA may just be some sort of deliberate misinformation to create plausible deniability since it has happened only once -- if such attacks continue, then I think you are right about KSA and USA supporting IS along with Turkey.

There is ground support for IS from all the muslim countries in west asia, as the hyderabadi muslim woman who went to join ISIS and returned to India reported. USA and KSA are overtly working together, as are Russia and Turkey, and the evidence for this is in their recent coordinated moves after Ukraine started to burn.

IS may be benefitting from support from both Turkey and KSA, who are in turn middlemen in a larger US-Russia tussle.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 01 Feb 2015 05:53

1. If IS is selling oil, it is to turkey:

no other way out for large volumes.

2. Money:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/ ... 6S20140309
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29004253
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-t ... ay-n208006
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/23/opini ... .html?_r=0
http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/poli ... ng-of-isis

But who really cares?

Y. Kanan · Post by **Y. Kanan** » 01 Feb 2015 07:18

This took about 5 seconds:

TOP U.S. MILITARY OFFICIAL ADMITS: OUR ARAB ALLIES ARE FUNDING ISIS
http://www.infowars.com/top-u-s-militar ... ding-isis/

Who's Funding ISIS? Wealthy Gulf 'Angel Investors,' Officials Say
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-t ... ay-n208006

How Qatar is funding the rise of Islamist extremists
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... mists.html

Regarding that alleged ISIS attack on Saudi Arabia, it seems there's no real corroborating evidence about it on the net. Indeed it was ISIS claiming the attack, not Saudi. And it was ISIS that had previously announced its intention to conquer Saudi Arabia, weeks before this "attack". This is very telling; looks like ISIS was told to give its Saudi backers diplomatic cover by feigning a hostile relationship with the kingdom. I think if ISIS were serious about Saudi Arabia, there'd be no lack of evidence showing their handiwork. They certainly haven't been shy about documenting their combat and atrocities elsewhere.

I'm not buying it, any more than I'm buying the Paki line about being opposed to LET, the Taliban, Al-Queda, etc.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 01 Feb 2015 07:26

Thanks, Shreeman saar. If I had done a google search instead of asking I would have known better.

Y.Kanan, agree that this entire charade seems to be playing out for the benefit of third parties by the saudis and turkey and Qatar. No wonder these buggers suddenly have a "glut of oil" and can bring the price down..it is someone else's stolen oil (Iraq). They are clearly paying the IS out of the money made from all this oil.

Definitely looks like Turkey, Qatar, and KSA are all in this together, and the attack on the KSA royalty was probably staged by the Saudis themselves. No reason for IS to turn against their funders at this time, given how dependent they are.

Then again, one finds it highly convenient for the IS to just inherit american weapons and money and start marauding -- this all started when the US was gung-ho about syria. So USA is part of this mess too, and in a deep way. The token bombings of IS just to stop them for acquiring capabilities that would make them a larger threat and keeping them out of theaters like Afghanisthan where they are frying their own fish (and don't want IS interference) points to that too.

This is starting to sound exactly like how these same geniuses figured they could control the paki army to be their rent boy, until the entire portapotty caught fire with them in it and 9/11 happened. Same old cr@p that was tried out by the US and Saudis in Afghanisthan is being tried out in Syria with the IS instead of the Taliban...the more things change etc.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Feb 2015 10:28

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... -deported/

Nine persons who had gone to Istanbul on tourist visas from Bangalore were detained by Turkish authorities while they were trying to cross over to Syria and deported to India on Thursday. Police here are probing whether the group had any links with terror group ISIS. One of the nine is a software engineer, and two others engineers.

The Bangalore police identified those deported as Mohammed Abdul Ahad, 46, and his family (wife and five children), all from Chennai; Javeed Baba, 24, native of Khammam district, Telangana; and Ibrahim Nowfal, 24, a native of Hassan in Karnataka.

No case has been registered against them, police said, adding that they were investigating whether they had established contact with members of the Islamic State outfit in Syria. The group had arrived at Istanbul on December 24.

Bangalore Police Commissioner M N Reddi said the nine had been questioned. “On their arrival back at the Bengaluru International Airport, they were questioned by us along with central agencies regarding the circumstances of their visit to Turkey. An inquiry is being conducted into their antecedents and their motive behind travelling to Syria via Turkey,” Reddi said.

Ahad has a Masters in Computer Science from Kennedy-Western University, California, US, and has worked in the US for more than 10 years, police said. Javeed and Nowfal are also engineers by qualification.

---

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 079886.cms?

A senior police officer said Ahad had left India soon after doing his graduation in engineering and was settled in the US. "Two of his children are US citizens, but he still holds an Indian passport," said the police officer.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Feb 2015 10:30

this is in line with increasing number of well educated, middle class, net savvy indian muslims abandoning their homeland to go live under the pure islam and peace of the caliphate.

even saudi arabia is decadent and not islamic enough for these people.

rather than retaining these serpents to cause more trouble here, GOI should imo facilitate all who want to emigrate, burn their passports ceremonially to embrace the true caliphate and send them via chartered flights to Mosul with a packet of best quality biryani, dry fruits, khajur and best wishes.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Feb 2015 11:27

Hindustan times...another case
http://m.hindustantimes.com/india-news/ ... 12368.aspx

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 01 Feb 2015 13:06

^^^ what kind of 19 year old hyderabadi resides in qatar? I dont understand this. Can someone explain the mechanics of 19 year old muslim girls residing in qatar away from parents?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Feb 2015 14:16

Could have been married off then talaq then living with relatives.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 01 Feb 2015 14:55

At 19, already this sequence? You barely get out of high school at 17-18. Surely, if you can immigrate to qatar you can afford high school. Who would send a daughter (even if recently divorced) to qatar under this compressed timeline? What prospects would there be for the future?

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UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 01 Feb 2015 17:42

Reading these, I think the Indian Hindoo Nationalist Government is clearly biased against people of Another Community. Why not allow Darwinian Evolution take its course? Add a small ISIS-enrollment bonus to the annual Haj ticket subsidy, and make these valid only for 1-way travel (outbound).

I hear the Drone fleets are being revved up - look at the spike in Boeing stock prices - to help Evolution.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 01 Feb 2015 20:27

Sir ji, Darwinian evolution is usually followed by Freud's psychoanalysis for less civilized only, since self-declared most civilized do not need to be lectured - even if Freud's psychoanalysis based on society's 'most civilized' section itself. It is not a front by itself alone.

Like how, holy laws has a layer of taqiya rules for non-believers only.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 02 Feb 2015 18:40

Yemen Crumbles, Iraq Stumbles, America Fumbles
The events in Yemen represent a spectacular collapse of President Obama’s policy for countering Islamic State.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Artic ... M-AcZv9nIU

Lame duck running out of luck?!

Sunday, February 01, 2015 4:25 PM
David Singer
There are some 60 States in the American-led coalition pledged to degrading and destroying Islamic State – but only 21 – regarded as “key members” were at the Conference in London on 22 January – which UK Foreign Minister Philip Hammond described in these terms:

“Today, 21 key members of the global coalition met in London to review and discuss our efforts to degrade and defeat ISIL not just through military force, but by addressing the underlying narrative of the organization, its financing, its flow of foreign fighters, and by reasserting our commitment to Iraq. In total, over 60 countries have signed up to the global coalition, showing the international will and commitment to combat this threat.”

US Secretary of State John Kerry was at pains to clarify why the other 39 States had not joined the talk-fest:

“And all the coalition partners are continuing to make vital contributions .., and we mean all 60. Whether it’s sheltering refugees, training, advising Iraqi troops on the front lines, or speaking out against Daesh’s [Islamic State – Ed] hateful, false ideology, we appreciate the contribution of every single member, each of whom has chosen one line of effort or another.

But we also recognize the need to, as effectively as possible, be able to coordinate all of these contributions. And that’s what the small group that came here today set out to do. The small group will continue to meet on a regular basis and continue, obviously, to consult with the full 60 members of the coalition, who will meet again as a full membership.”

The non-participation of the world’s remaining 133 States in the American-led coalition did not escape Iraqi Prime Minister Al-Abadi’s attention – as he wryly noted:

“Daesh is a terrorist organization. It knows no race, no religion, no region. It spares nobody, so everybody must be facing Daesh.”

Al-Abadi was therefore being more than a little cynical when he stated:

“that Iraq is not alone, the Iraqi people are not alone, but the entire world stands with Iraq.”

One can only ask - why then are these 133 reluctant States not members of the American-led coalition? Are they prepared to let the other 60 States do the heavy lifting for them whilst they just sit by and watch? Will they only be motivated to join the American led coalition when Islamic State comes knocking at their door?

Pointedly the Joint Press Availability with UK Foreign Secretary Hammond and Iraqi Prime Minister Abadi - issued by the US State Department following the London Conference - made no mention of any discussion having taken place at the Conference concerning Yemen’s dramatic cave-in last week – resulting in the resignation of Yemeni President Abed Rabbo Mansour Hadi after having being held captive following a concerted assault waged by Houthi rebels.

Yemen had been allowing the United States to wage counterterror drone strike operations targeting Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula from Yemen’s sovereign territory.

Membership of Al Qaeda and Islamic State was respectively claimed by the perpetrators of two horrific massacres in Paris at the offices of publisher Charlie Hebdo and a Kosher supermarket - resulting in the murder of seventeen people whilst putting France on a state of highest alert to counter any further possible terrorist attacks in their wake.

The events in Yemen represent a spectacular collapse of President Obama’s policy for similarly countering Islamic State in Iraq - by training supplying and using Iraqi forces to fight Islamic State on the ground whilst the coalition counters Islamic State from the air.

President Obama laid out this policy on 10 September 2014 – citing Yemen as an example of how that policy was working:

“Now, it will take time to eradicate a cancer like ISIL. And any time we take military action, there are risks involved –- especially to the servicemen and women who carry out these missions. But I want the American people to understand how this effort will be different from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. It will not involve American combat troops fighting on foreign soil. This counterterrorism campaign will be waged through a steady, relentless effort to take out ISIL wherever they exist, using our air power and our support for partner forces on the ground. This strategy of taking out terrorists who threaten us, while supporting partners on the front lines, is one that we have successfully pursued in Yemen and Somalia for years. And it is consistent with the approach I outlined earlier this year: to use force against anyone who threatens America’s core interests, but to mobilize partners wherever possible to address broader challenges to international order.”

Could Yemen’s fate herald the Iraqi Government’s possible collapse? The Kurds held out with US air strikes helping them, but they are a united fighting force.

Al-Abadi ominously told the London Conference:

“Another issue, which is being discussed today, is the fiscal problem for Iraq. You know oil prices have dropped to about 40 percent of their level last year. Iraqi economy and budget relies 85 percent on oil, and this has been disastrous for us…

… We don't want to see a reverse of our military victory because of our budget and fiscal problems and we have been assured that every member of this coalition will stand with Iraq in its fight against Da'esh “
How long will it take Obama to understand that Islamic State can only be comprehensively defeated by military action undertaken on the ground by a properly equipped and authorised United Nations international force?

The world is rapidly plunging into WW3,whose initial skirmishes have already begun.ISIS is rapidly like "cancer",eating away at the heartland of the M-East and the hold onto power of the US's closest allies in the region,the kingdoms and sheikhdoms are tenuous.Unless the US weilds the big stick against those rich oily nations who have spawned and sponsored ISIS and uses the UN to organize a UN task force/strategy to counter ISIS ,and this means eating humble pie with Iran,the Shiites and getting Russia bacjk into the fold to fight radcall Islam instead of fencing with it over the UKR,ISIS will devour more and more of the region and its wealth and eventually threaten Israel in the most diabolic manner.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 03 Feb 2015 15:39

https://en-maktoob.news.yahoo.com/haj-m ... 04153.html

Saudi Arabia has asked several countries to shut down their Haj missions in the holy cities of Makkah and Madinah in the off-season, in a renewed bid to curb the mushrooming of illegal offices in these cities.

Includes India, Pakistan, Indonesia.