Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

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Water Muscle Flexing By Pakiland

Pakistan’s naval transformation: Dangerous delusions, soaring ambitions By Abhijit Singh
The combination of dangerous delusions, soaring ambitions and a fatal nuclear obsession could spark another round of strategic brinkmanship in South Asia, with disastrous consequences for regional security. Navy is supposed to be the new domain for another round of brinkmanship
India’s maritime watchers have had much to talk about lately. A few days after it held a bilateral exercise with the People’s Liberation Army-Navy (PLAN) in the Northern Arabian Sea, the Pakistan Navy claimed its “anti-submarine” assets had prevented an Indian submarine from entering Pakistani waters. The military’s public relations wing announced that on 14 November, antisubmarine units of the Pakistan Navy detected an Indian submarine close to the Pakistani territorial sea and promptly “drove it away.” The next day, India rejected Pakistan’s claim, terming it a “pack of blatant lies.” Even as New Delhi was coming to grips with the grave accusation, however, the media reported that Islamabad had invited the Chinese Navy to join its own ships in securing Gwadar port, presumably against the threat of an Indian attack.
C.PE.C is "under attack"; send S.O.S to Chini-blothers :mrgreen:
This delirium from Islamabad should not be a surprise. Since September this year, when the Indian Army carried out surgical strikes across the line of control in Kashmir, Pakistan’s naval commanders have been nervous about an Indian naval buildup in the Arabian Sea. In the aftermath of the latest cross border exchange of fire, as the Indian navy embarked on a series of combat exercises on its Western sea-front, Pakistan has been expecting an escalation in maritime tensions. The Pakistan Navy’s claim of detecting an Indian submarine in Pakistani waters appears to be a manifestation of a deep-seated paranoia over an Indian naval encirclement of Karachi. Since 1971, when Indian missile boats carried out a daring attack on Pakistan’s premier maritime hub, destroying a significant portion of the naval fleet and harbour facilities, Pakistani admirals have feared another assault at their strategic nerve center
Not to be outdone, the Paki Fazaia (PAF), flexing its muscle, also conducted a mock landing on one of its motorways in Pakjab province :mrgreen:
For Islamabad’s maritime analysts, however, raising the bogey of an Indian submarine in Pakistani waters is an effective way of projecting a robust front. Navies know well that the presence of a foreign submarine just outside their territorial waters is par-for-the-course during an operational standoff with a rival force. India, however, has traditionally eschewed deploying submarines close to the Makran coast in a conscious bid to avoid an inadvertent skirmish, which could potentially spiral into a full-blown conflict. In contrast, the Pakis do not have any qualms, about violating IB ( the "boasting" by Ex COAS cum Prez Pervez Musharaf admitting that he crossed the international border into India for a few days to "study the situation" before Kargil operation )
India’s maritime thinkers say that the Indian Navy has never meant to use its undersea assets to aggressively bait Pakistan’s naval forces.
Since October this year, when India operationalised a nuclear triad, reportedly commissioning its first ballistic missile nuclear submarine, the INS Arihant, Pakistan’s maritime analysts are convinced that the strategic equilibrium in the western Indian Ocean has shifted decisively in India’s favour. Mohammad Azam Khan, the main author of the Pakistan’s new maritime strategy even believes that the Arihant has been active in waters close to Pakistan’s coast gathering operational information — an unreasonable claim, given that nuclear missile submarines are rarely ever used for tactical missions such as intelligence collection. Just a few days ago- the Paki Foreign Ministry , for propaganda purpose - made a dramatic announcement that India has nuclear subs in its arsenal !
India’s Arihant, however, has become a good excuse for the Pakistan Navy to make a case for its own nuclear missile submarines. Pakistan’s maritime watchers now claim that the navy has been ready for a sea based nuclear weapon ever since the establishment of the naval nuclear authority in 2013.
:mrgreen: The Enchendee factor and the = = obsession again ! probably will get some useless Chini- maal (like the railway engines ! :mrgreen:
Beijing has yet to officially react to media reports of Islamabad’s bid to get a squadron of PLAN warships placed at Gwadar. However, an article in the Chinese state-controlled Global Times said that the benefits of Gwadar Port to the Chinese economy were limited, both on account of inadequate port capacity, as well as the economic and geographical infeasibility of a proposed pipeline to deliver oil and gas to western China. This suggests that even if the PLAN does deploy warships at Gwadar, it would a move aimed solely at assisting Pakistan’s maritime agencies in securing the near-littorals.
Increasingly being dependent on chini-largesse to salvage its sover-virginity !
The advocacy of a sea-based deterrent also elevates the Pakistan Navy’s stature vis-à-vis the Pakistan Army, which traditionally dominates the security establishment. A sea-based nuclear option also gives senior naval officers greater leverage within the Pakistani security establishment. The Pakistan Navy’s power-driven aspirations, however, do not detract from the futility of what is essentially a risky and costly experiment. The combination of dangerous delusions, soaring ambitions and a fatal nuclear obsession could spark another round of strategic brinkmanship in South Asia, with disastrous consequences for regional security.
Where is the money coming from to implement these grandoise plans ; Modiji's policy of out-spending the Pakis on defence will bear the same fruit and will lead to the disintegration of Pakiland - in the same way which led to USSR demise , when Reagan followed the same policy :mrgreen:
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pictures from the Sige at Chakwal, for a min i thought it was Allepo.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1261462/pic ... k-chakwal/

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It will soon be like alleppo in paki-land. KP and Baluchistan are little better.
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Terrorists hit Chinese engineers’ vehicle near Rohri
SUKKAR – Some people were injured in a low-intensity bomb blast planted to target a vehicle of Chinese engineers on the national highway near Rohri, while the engineers remained unhurt.According to ARY News, terrorists targeted the vehicle of Chinese engineers, who were working at Rohri-Multan Motorway project, a part of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC). The blast injured some people, but no any causality has been reported so far.The police also confirmed that terrorists carried out the attack to hit the vehicle of Chinese. Around 500 grammes of explosive material was used in the blast.
So, the Sindhis are joining the Balochis in their fight for independence from the Pakjabis :mrgreen:
Waiting for RAA responsible blah blah blah !
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Train Driver Is Hungry For 'Pakoras' So He Stops The Train :rotfl:
GUJRANWALA- A Pakistan Railways train driver stopped his train’s engine in the middle of his journey to enjoy pakoras, putting his own and many other lives at risk.The incident took place near Shamsabad in Gujranwala and a video showed the driver getting off the train, purchasing pakoras from a shop and then going back to the train.The train engine was stopped on a single track, where a major accident could have taken place.
After the incident, Pakistan Railways has suspended the driver and assistant driver as a disciplinary action and initiated an investigation.
- Will he lose his job or (due to sifarish) keep his job !
- So, the arrival of "social media" in every nook and corner of Pakiland has resulted in Pakis washing their own dirty linen shalwar in public ; like the recent embarrassing pic of Ganja Sharif, the PM OF PAKISTAN , scratching his (dirty ) bxlls :rotfl:in full view of the camera
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Pakistan Furious Over World Bank Omitting POK and Gilgit - Baltistan From Map :D
Islamabad is fuming with anger after the World Bank used a map of Pakistan without the territories of Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK) which they call Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJK) and Giglit-Baltistan (G-B). According to a report in The Express Tribune, Pakistan has decided to lodge an official protest with the World Bank (WB) in this matter.
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Islamabad is fuming with anger after the World Bank used a map of Pakistan without the territories of Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK) which they call Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJK) and Giglit-Baltistan (G-B). According to a report in The Express Tribune, Pakistan has decided to lodge an official protest with the World Bank (WB) in this matter. World Bank’s Lead Economist for African Region Vincent Palmade had used the map in his presentation during the official ceremony of a book launch in Islamabad on Tuesday.The book titled ‘South Asia’s Turn: Policies to Boost Competitiveness and Create the Next Export Powerhouse’ was launched during the annual general meeting and conference of the Pakistan Society of Development Economists.Interestingly, the World Bank has defended its decision to use the Pakistani map that omitted PoK and G-B.
“The WB does not have any official map on Kashmir for India and Pakistan,” Gabi George Afram, the WB programme leader said while responding to a question on excluding G-B and AJK territories.
Because the Paki Echandee is also involved here, they should (1) refuse the anticipated (kuffar )World Bank Grant/ Loan (2) Declare the WB Programme leader (Gabi George Afram - A Christian for sure !) persona non grata and demand that he leave Pakistan within 24 hours :mrgreen:
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Big powers’ pressure may win India NSG entry, fear Pakistani officials
ISLAMABAD: Pakistani officials feel encouraged by growing support in the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) for establishing criteria for membership of non-NPT countries, but are wary of big powers’ pressure on smaller countries that could pave the way for exemptions for India in the admission process.
The NSG members have been divided between countries demanding strict adherence to the NPT criteria and the bloc wanting to embrace India immediately.
The official warned that strategic stability in South Asia would be undermined if Pakistani application was not treated equally with the Indian case.
IISS Senior Fellow for Land Warfare retired Brig Ben Barry talked about the influence of non-state actors on the dispute. “Further or more serious attack by non-state actors in Kashmir or (mainland) India could produce a dynamic change of military escalation on both sides,” he warned.
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Changing ties : US may not compete with China for influence in Pakistan - MICHAEL KREPON

ONE of Pakistan’s greatest diplomatic achievements during the Cold War was to simultaneously enjoy strong ties with the United States and China. With the end of the Cold War and the retreat of Soviet forces from Afghanistan, this triangular relationship has changed. Pakistan’s ties to Beijing have never been stronger, while ties to Washington are once again troubled. Nothing symbolises this shift more than CPEC.

China has offered Pakistan over $50 billion in investments for critical infrastructure projects as prospects for greater financial and military assistance from Washington dim. Washington has good reasons to be supportive — or at least not negative — about CPEC. If Pakistan can raise its game and make the most of this opportunity, CPEC will not just be one more external lending stream, it can help Pakistan achieve sustainable economic growth, one predicate for national, if not regional stability.

There are, however, challenges to be overcome before extravagant visions of CPEC can be realised. Thriving port cities depend on location and historic patterns of commerce. Habitual Pakistani frictions between provinces and civil-military relations are complicating the takeoff stage. Beijing does not have a track record of philanthropy with respect to foreign investments. CPEC is not a gift; it’s a mutual opportunity, accompanied with interest rates. And Pakistan is in no position to drive hard bargains.

The US may not compete with China for influence in Pakistan.

The upswing in China-Pakistan relations extends well beyond CPEC. Beijing is also helping Pakistan by placing road blocks before India’s entry into the Nuclear Suppliers Group and preventing the UN from adding Jaish-e-Mohammad chief Masood Azhar to its listing of terrorists. In contrast, the US Defence Authorisation Act passed by the Congress conditions half of the assistance given to Pakistan on demonstrable steps against terror groups.

Not that long ago, in 2009, Washington decided to make a major effort to improve relations with Pakistan and to bolster a newly elected civilian government. Now it is very hard to envision another major initiative by Washington, which is sceptical of Islamabad’s promissory notes, or by Pakistan, which is accustomed to being on the receiving end of Washington’s initiatives, not the other way around. Absent a source of new propulsion, bilateral ties will continue to lose altitude.

Islamabad, Washington, and even Beijing have something to lose from these dynamics. No matter how generous Chinese infrastructure and military support turn out to be for Pakistan, having one major power benefactor is half as good as having two. Washington will have less influence to change Pakistani choices for the better, and will now need more of Beijing’s help with crisis management. And while Beijing’s gains are likely to be real, so, too, will the responsibilities of being Pakistan’s top benefactor.

Washington is not inclined to compete with China for influence in Pakistan. Nor is the prospect of more Russian engagement with Pakistan likely to alter US calculations. Washington’s current mood is to continue offering assistance to support common interests — while conditioning a growing portion of aid to demonstrable steps that confirm long-promised changes in Pakistan’s national security policies. All this can be upended with another major act of terrorism that can be traced back to Pakistan.

A legitimate question is whether Washington is capable of acknowledging changes for the better in Pakistan’s national security policies after such a long period of complaint. There has been clear acknowledgement of Pakistan’s counterterrorism campaign against the Pakistan Taliban, and the sacrifices this has entailed. But there is deep scepticism that the scope of this campaign will be widened.

Some in the incoming Trump administration might be inclined to pursue the ‘nuclear option’ — declaring Pakistan a state sponsor of terrorism. This would be a grave mistake, not just for Pakistan and the United States, but also for India. Severing ties will not improve Pakistan’s choices, nor help the United States to encourage nuclear-armed neighbors to improve ties or defuse tensions. Washington does more of the latter than the former because, when New Delhi occasionally seeks to turn the page, an attack on India by cadres of groups based in Pakistan typically follows.

One challenge for Washington during the Trump administration will be to keep the door open and to recognise changes in policies that have weakened Pakistan’s well-being. A second challenge will be to not fly off the handle in ways that badly affect ties. The challenge for Pakistan is to keep moving forward rather than to fall back on bad habits. And to recognize that standard talking points will fall flat without changes in national security policy. Even in the absence of changes in Pakistani policies, the US continues to have important reasons to remain fully engaged on common interests. That sounds easy enough, but sensible steps cannot be taken for granted in the Trump administration.
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I saw all the videos of Chautauqua conference, seems like Karen Armstrong is an unabashed malsi apologist with British accent. I wanted to question her on a lot of things she said. Have we discussed her here? Could you point me to more Pakistan related material peddled by her?
Amin Hashwani seems to be a committed soldier of the deep state, I was surprised that he was behind "Aman Ki Asha"
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Michael Crapon still drones on. He is now a foreign policy expert . All along he was a nuke expert and hosted by the nut P.C> Chari at IPCS.org or should be IPCS.rog

johb, Karen Armstrong is a British Islam pasand scholar. She has written many books on that subject.
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ramana wrote:Michael Crapon still drones on. He is now a foreign policy expert . All along he was a nuke expert and hosted by the nut P.C> Chari at IPCS.org or should be IPCS.rogjohb, Karen Armstrong is a British Islam pasand scholar. She has written many books on that subject.
She got 5 Million $ from Saudi in 90s to project positive image of islam in WEST.
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Pakistan And Saudi Arabia Formenting Rohinga Insurgency - Reuters

Myanmar's Rohingya insurgency has links to Saudi, Pakistan: report
A group of Rohingya Muslims that attacked Myanmar border guards in October is headed by people with links to Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, the International Crisis Group (ICG) said on Thursday, citing members of the group.The coordinated attacks on Oct. 9 killed nine policemen, and sparked a crackdown by security forces in Muslim-majority Rakhine State in northwest Myanmar.At least 86 people have been killed, according to state media, and the United Nations has estimated 27,000 members of the largely stateless Rohingya minority have fled across the border to Bangladesh.
Predominantly Buddhist Myanmar's government, led by Nobel Peace Prize winner Aung San Suu Kyi, blamed Rohingyas supported by foreign militants for the Oct. 9 attacks, but has issued scant further information about the assailants it called "terrorists".
Where there is smoke (terrorism ), there is always fire ( Pakistan !) :mrgreen:
A group calling itself Harakah al-Yakin claimed responsibility for the attacks in video statements and the Brussels-based ICG said it had interviewed four members of the group in Rakhine State and two outside Myanmar, as well as individuals in contact with members via messaging apps.
The Harakah al-Yakin, or Faith Movement, was formed after communal violence in 2012 in which more than 100 people were killed and about 140,000 displaced in Rakhine State, most of them Rohingya, the group said.Rohingya who have fought in other conflicts, as well as Pakistanis or Afghans, gave clandestine training to villagers in northern Rakhine over two years ahead of the attacks, it said."It included weapons use, guerrilla tactics and, HaY members and trainees report, a particular focus on explosives and IEDs," the group said, referring to improvised explosive devices.
It identified Harakah al-Yakin's leader, who has appeared prominently in a series of nine videos posted online, as Ata Ullah, born in Karachi, Pakistan, to a Rohingya migrant father before moving as a child to Mecca in Saudi Arabia."Though not confirmed, there are indications he went to Pakistan and possibly elsewhere, and that he received practical training in modern guerrilla warfare," the group said, noting that Ata Ullah was one of 20 Rohingya from Saudi Arabia leading the group's operations in Rakhine State.
Saudi Moolah and Paki muscle !
Groups like Islamic State and al Qaeda in the Indian Subcontinent have referred to the plight of the Rohingya in their material, and the battlefield experience of at least some of the Rohingya fighters implied links to international militants, the ICG said.
Ex Saudi Arabia University Professor and LET Head Hafiz Suar has previously "criticized" Myanmar for its treatment of the Rohingyas
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Pakistan Admits Sheltering Haqqanis !

Official: 'Some' Haqqani Leaders Present in Pakistan
SLAMABAD — A top Pakistan Foreign Ministry official has said that “some” members of the terrorist Haqqani network are present in the country, but Islamabad is not allowing any group to conduct terrorist activities in Afghanistan.Foreign Secretary Aizaz Chaudhry has made the rare admission in an interview to the state-run Pakistani television PTV broadcast Sunday.The United States has designated the Haqqani network and its leadership as global terrorists for carrying out high-profile deadly attacks against American and allied forces in Afghanistan.Afghan President Ashraf Ghani and U.S. officials allege Haqqanis operate out of sanctuaries in Pakistan, a charge Islamabad rejects.
Pakistani Fauj may pressure him to retract this statement, just as a few weeks ago, they came out with a statement contradicting Sartaj Aziz's statement regarding Indian Kulbhushan Yadav held in jail .
Afghan officials deny they have anything to do with the militants linked to anti-state Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan, or TTP, though Pakistani officials point to killings of a number of leaders of the group in Afghanistan this year by U.S. drone attacks.Islamabad hosted a preliminary round of peace talks between Kabul and Taliban officials in July 2015, the first direct contact between Afghan warring sides in 15 years. Chaudhry along with U.S. and Chinese officials attended the negotiations as monitors.But since then the war has intensified, fueling tensions between Afghanistan and Pakistan over Islamabad’s alleged backing of the insurgency.
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Pakistan Forms Special Maritime Force to Secure Chinese-built Port, Projects
ISLAMABAD —

Pakistan has inaugurated a special maritime force to ensure security of its new Chinese-built Gwadar port, which is central to a multi-billion dollar economic cooperation agreement between the two countries.China is investing around $50 billion dollars in Pakistan to help build a network of roads, rails, communication and power projects that will eventually connect the western Chinese border region of Xinjiang to the deepwater port on the Arabian Sea.
The cooperation, dubbed the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor or CPEC, officials say, will turn Gwadar into a gateway for imports and exports from Xinjiang to international markets.Top Pakistani civilian and military officials along with Chinese diplomats traveled to the port Tuesday to witness the inauguration of the "Task Force-88" raised by the Pakistan Navy."(It) is aimed at ensuring security of Gwadar port, its seaward approaches, as well as CPEC-related and other maritime projects,"Zafar Mehmood Abbasi, deputy chief of the naval staff operations told the ceremony.
The marine force would comprise "warships, (attack) helicopters and unmanned aerial vehicles (drones), duly supported by shore-based sensors", he added. It seems that the Pakis are increasingly staking their claim to Balochi territory by completely relying on the Chinese to preserve the "so-called integrity of Pakistan" . And placing all their bets on the success of the so-called CPEC ( Colonizing Pakistan To Enrich China ) :mrgreen:
The Gwadar port is located in the insurgency-hit Baluchistan province, which also hosts a number of CPEC-related projects.
Pakistani officials allege rival India is funding Baloch separatists in the province in its bid to try to undermine the Corridor building efforts, a charge New Delhi denies. Islamabad also sees Afghanistan-based Islamic State affiliates a threat to CPEC.Chinese officials say that CPEC is "the major and pilot project of the Belt and Road" initiative proposed by President Xi Jinping."We believe the Belt and Road initiative will sergaive the greatest interests of the international community and this region for common development and shared prosperity," says Chinese ambassador to Pakistan Sun Weidong.
He says 17 "early harvest" CPEC projects are already under "smooth" construction in Pakistan."There are more than 10,000 jobs (only :roll:) that have been created for the local people with all these 17 projects.In the near future, we can see that CPEC projects will generate thousands of megawatts (of electricity) into the national grid of Pakistan."
It is refreshing to note that the Chinese Ambassador is being a realist in this matter, unlike the Chief Minister Of Balochistan, who just this past week made some pretty hyperbolic and foolish statements asserting that 60 countries are waiting in line to gain admission to CPEC ; Harami link
CPEC: 60 countries to become part of CPEC - Times of Islamabad
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No Pakistani on Forbes list of World's Most Powerful People 2015-The Express Tribune > Pakistan :eek:
Every year Forbes magazine releases a list of World’s Most Powerful People, the global elite whose actions move the planet, and while Pakistanis have made it to the list in the past, this year there was none.Russian President Vladimir Putin was ranked as the world’s most powerful leader by Forbes after Russia managed to put US threat of an attack on Syria at bay. Russia also gave asylum to former NSA contractor Edward Snowden.
Germany’s Angela Merkel ranked second followed by US President Barack Obama, Pope Francis and Chinese President Xi Jinping.
Every year Forbes magazine releases a list of World’s Most Powerful People, the global elite whose actions move the planet, and while Pakistanis have made it to the list in the past, this year there was none.Russian President Vladimir Putin was ranked as the world’s most powerful leader by Forbes after Russia managed to put US threat of an attack on Syria at bay. Russia also gave asylum to former NSA contractor Edward Snowden.Germany’s Angela Merkel ranked second followed by US President Barack Obama, Pope Francis and Chinese President Xi Jinping.
Also featured on the list among the top 15 of the world’s most powerful people were Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Saudi Arabia’s King Salman bin Al Saud.
Ganja Sharif should be in the list for taking the initiative for phoning the" most powerful president in the world "- POTUS :mrgreen:
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Ahmadi families leaving Dulmial village after mob violence
Members of the Ahmadi community in Chakwal’s Dulmial village have left the village because of security concerns, sources said on Wednesday, days after a violent mob attacked an Ahmadi place of worship
Can't get the baki English media to call it a "mosque", eh?
The police have also arrested 32 people involved in the attack, two of whom are Ahmadi.
What!!? Why were the Ahmadis arrested?

Haram link: http://www.dawn.com/news/1302398/ahmadi ... b-violence
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C.P.E.C Woes Coming Home To Roost :mrgreen:

CPEC cost build-up
IN remarks given at a conference in Islamabad, Sartaj Aziz is reported to have said that loans being taken under CPEC projects will be repaid at two per cent interest spread over 20 to 25 years. He is about one-quarter right.
What Aziz is not telling us, unless his comments were not reported in full, is that more than two-thirds of the money committed for the ‘early harvest’ projects is actually on commercial terms. Of the total $28 billion that come under the ‘early harvest’ projects, a full $19bn are in the form of foreign direct investment on commercial terms and even the agreement signed in November 2013 between the governments of China and Pakistan that created this raft of investments mentions that these will follow “market principles”. It is not his fault ! He is "entitled" to his senior moments :mrgreen:
In reality, to properly afford the CPEC projects that are being undertaken, the country will need to lift its exports, boost its productivity, and give a large spur to private enterprise to get the wheels of domestic investment moving again. To some extent, this is happening. Cement, for instance, is doing quite well. Cement, incidentally, is probably the only product the Chinese projects are sourcing locally, with everything else imported from Chinese firms, with loans taken from Chinese banks. :cry:
And I’m even less reassured when I read what the government told the IMF in the last review when the Fund raised the issue of a growing Chinese debt burden being taken on. They were told that “additional Chinese investment over the longer term, building on CPEC as a platform, could also help cover the projected CPEC-related outflows”.
Wonderful.
The CPEC is not the CPEC ( China-Pakistan Economic Corridor ) everyone talks about ; but it is definitely the real CPEC ( Colonizing Pakistan To Enrich China ) :mrgreen:
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X Posted on the Analyzing CEPC Thread

Lesson from Sri Lanka

Our acquaintance with Sri Lanka has more to do with cricket than its history or geography. But recently, two avenues of further commonality have emerged in unexpected ways.

The first common feature arises in the form of Sri Lanka’s total debt, especially its external one. As usual, the government’s figures tend to be on the lower side while independent estimates are on the higher side. The second common feature comes in the form of Sri Lanka’s dream to establish a port like Gwadar (Hambantota) and an arrangement like the CPEC with the help of China. Its present predicament, however, offers an interesting insight into public policy and economic management.

Sri Lanka’s external debt, as per independent reports, is around $58 billion, and its debt payments are more than 90 percent of its total income from taxes. A major part of this colossal debt can be attributed to Sri Lanka’s dream of moving forward through large infrastructure investments, one of which is Hambantota. Between 2008 and 2014, its domestic debt tripled and foreign debt doubled (sounds familiar, does it not?). Its prime minister recently admitted in parliament that the government does not have an exact figure for its total debt. Earlier this month, a few government departments in Pakistan were also asked to get together in order to come up with a single figure on its total debt.

Hambantota was a sleepy port town with little noticeable economic activity till Mahinda Rajapaksa was elected as Sri Lanka’s president. Hambantota was his home town and he envisioned grand plans for it. These plans included a deep sea port, an airport of international standard, a cricket stadium, an LNG plant, tourist resorts and an industrial zone. But financing these grandiose plans was a problem. In came China with a promise of $8 billion in soft loans and a chance to expand on its ‘one road, one belt’ policy. And so development of infrastructure in this area began.

Today, the Mattala airport in Hambantota is sitting idle – hardly two flights a day are scheduled. Cricket stadium and conference centres are rarely used, brand new roads are almost empty, business at the port is sparse and the industrial state has yet to take shape. Everything is in place – except users. This also means there’s little revenue for the government which still has to bear the heavy maintenance expenditure of these facilities.

The government’s estimates, as is usually the case, turned out to be overoptimistic. And guess who’s footing the bill for these monuments of little use? The Sri Lankan taxpayers, of course, who were not even part of the decision to initiate these grandiose ventures. It has been reported that the present government wanted to sell the various infrastructure facilities to lenders but it was more interested in getting its money back rather than operating a loss-making venture.

What went wrong? For a start, the plans for Hambantota were based on political considerations rather than economic necessity. It was Rajapaksa’s home constituency and he wanted to take as much political mileage out of his position as possible. His idea of doing that came in the form of building a concrete city, despite the place being a rural outpost known more for migrating elephants than its business potential. But Rajapaksa aimed to turn logic on its head with the help of Chinese money. Unfortunately, his plans for squeezing political eminence turned to dust as he lost the elections.

Gwadar and the CPEC represent some interesting comparisons. Gwadar is an outpost in the middle of nowhere – a rural setting which lacks modern facilities. It is located in a province which is almost half the size of Pakistan but is sparsely populated. It is from this province that the main arteries of the CPEC will pass and it is in Gilgit-Baltistan where they will ultimately end. But both provinces lack the population density to initiate or sustain a business surge. Simply put, there are not enough customers or producers to make it a business metropolis which can attract business and freight transport from all around the world. While all this is clear to most analysts, infrastructure of every kind is still emerging and more grandiose plans are in the offing.

As in Rajapaksa’s case, our leadership is making a very concerted effort to take political mileage out of this by terming the CPEC a victory of their ‘vision’. That is, of course, not true since if it were not for China, nobody had any interest in Gwadar and the Pakistani state by no means has any capacity to undertake such an extensive venture. And like Hambantota, the CPEC dreams are built upon Chinese loans (which mind you, will have to be paid back). The recent celebrations surrounding the first CPEC trade convoy are a bit far-fetched since the event cost us heavily. What makes our policymakers and leaders so sure that trade and related activities will blossom to an extent that we will not only pay back the loans but that the infrastructure projects will pay for themselves in the future?

Building the infrastructure of the CPEC or Hambantota is a major long-term venture which requires technical and administrative competence, patience and continuous cash flows. Pakistan’s government machinery possesses none of these attributes. But, undeterred by its poor capacity and ability to undertake these projects, we still latch on to infrastructure projects as our saviours. The new planned motorways (financed by loans) and projects like the Metro-Bus project (running in losses) are a recent, poignant reminder.

An important lesson that policymakers in Pakistan can learn is that copying other countries in how they run their economy is not necessarily a recipe for success. I have observed people from all walks of life in Pakistan, including economists, making allusions to the Chinese state’s large footprint in its economy in order to advocate the same case for Pakistan. But they rarely realise that the Chinese state has enough fiscal space to sustain such an undertaking. Whether it’s uninhabited ghost cities or the danger of lower growth rates, the Chinese government has enough fiscal muscle to prevent these kinds of instances from turning into failures. We, on the other hand, are living on borrowed money.

With our fingers crossed, we will wait for all the wonderful dreams shown to us to come to fruition in reality. We will hope that the CPEC doesn’t turn into a Hambantota-like disaster. Otherwise, guess who’s going to foot the bill?
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Canadian Govt Being "Sucked In" To Investigate "Paki Haji" Involved In Ahmedi Attack :lol:

Canadian government asked to probe whether Toronto-area man involved in Pakistan mosque siege
TORONTO — An attack on a mosque in Chakwal, Pakistan, has led to calls for an investigation in Canada over allegations a Toronto-area man was part of a group that vowed “extreme measures” against the place of worship.A mob of about 1,000 surrounded the mosque belonging to minority Ahmadiyya Muslims, according to Pakistani newspapers The Nation and Dawn, as well as social media posts, some showing video of the damage.The incident Monday reportedly came after locals filed a petition with police claiming “infidels” were illegally occupying the building and unless action was taken “we will be forced to take extreme measures to liberate this mosque.”
One of the names near the top of the petition was Haji Malik Rashid Ahmed, whom Ahmadiyyas say is a Canadian. A news website that reports on the Ahmadiyya community, Rabwah Times, said he had spoken about the issue at mosques in the Chakwal area. A video posted by the site appears to show him talking to police in the aftermath of the attack.The Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama’at Canada, which represents Canadian Ahmadiyya Muslims, raised the issue at a meeting with Global Affairs Canada, said Asif Khan, the organization’s director of public relations.Khan said he informed federal officials that a Canadian was possibly involved and sent them the relevant documentation. He also asked whether Global Affairs would inform the RCMP, or if his organization should do it.“We don’t want stuff like that here,” Khan said Tuesday. While violence against religious minorities is commonplace in Pakistan, he called the conduct “un-Canadian” and said he hoped whatever laws applied would be enforced.
he Canadian who allegedly signed the petition concerning the Ahmadiyya mosque in Chakwal has lived in Canada for at least 40 years, said Imam Syed Soharwardy, who chairs the organization that runs the Mississauga mosque the man attends.“I know this guy very well,” he said. “I know him because he comes to our mosque in Mississauga. … He’s not a violent guy. He’s not a bad person.” Soharwardy said he did not know what had happened in Chakwal “but in Pakistan people do these things. They should not be doing it.”
On Dec. 5, the Ahmadiyya community in Chakwal wrote to the local government asking for security at mosques. The letter said Muslim scholars “from outside” had “incited to violence,” vowing “to take forcible possession” of Ahmadiyya places of worship on Dec. 12.
On Monday, the attackers threw stones and bricks, and reportedly fired shots in an unsuccessful attempt to seize the mosque from the Ahmadiyyas. Worshippers locked themselves inside until police arrived to disperse the crowd.
The government of Punjab wrote on Twitter that “a misunderstanding developed between the two groups” and that it was “vigilantly following up.” In a Twitter post, the Canadian High Commission in Islamabad commended the Punjab government “for undertaking to hold mob leaders in Chakwal to account.”
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“extreme measures” against the place of worship.
It is interesting how they twist into a knot to avoid saying Mosque, lest they accept Ahmadiyyas as muslims.
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Mushy's wife is an Ahmediya?
The current COAS is an Ahmediya?
The qaid - himself an ismaili shia, pork eater amd wine drinker, had a jewish wife, who 'converted'? to islam.
Imran Khan had a jewish wife who ?'converted' ?
Waseem Akram has a christian aussie wife!

Wallah! So much impurity in Pakistan! Pakistan needs more islam, more wahabi islam!
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Gagan wrote:Mushy's wife is an Ahmediya?
The current COAS is an Ahmediya?
The qaid - himself an ismaili shia, pork eater amd wine drinker, had a jewish wife, who 'converted'? to islam.
Imran Khan had a jewish wife who ?'converted' ?
Waseem Akram has a christian aussie wife!

Wallah! So much impurity in Pakistan! Pakistan needs more islam, more wahabi islam!
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1. Rattanbai "Ruttie" Petit only daughter of Sir Dinshaw Petit and Sylla Tata. Sylla was the Daughter of Ratanji Dadabhoy Tata, and Sister of J.R.D. Tata

Jinnah was Sir Dinshaw Petit's Lawyer and when Ruttie was 12 years old Sir Dinshaw gave his Bunglow at a Hill Station for Jinnah's Vacation. Since Sir Dinshaw was too busy he sent his 12 year old Ruttie with Jinnah. Jinnah inserted his Islamic faith into little Ruttie and Four Years later Jinnah asked for the 16 year old's hand. Sir Dinnsaw refused and for two years Ruttie did not meet Jinnah. On attaining the age of Eighteen Ruttie married the 42 Year Old Jinnah, and converted to Islam.

2. May be the Four of that "ILK" did not want to marry Buffaloes!
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Is the Islamic State Now in Pakistan’s Balochistan Province?
Pakistan has been a hotbed of Islamic militants for years. Over 45 known terrorist and extremist organizations have sprung up or split off since the 1980s. The government, however, has continued to deny that the Islamic State (ISIS) is present in the country. Speaking in London last year, then-Chief of Army Staff General Raheel Sharif said “even a shadow of ISIS would not be allowed.” Senior officials in both Karachi and Punjab province have admitted, however, that their forces had carried out raids against ISIS militants.Now it seems that the government is admitting to the presence of ISIS after the military says it thwarted planned ISIS attacks on foreign embassies and the Islamabad airport, according to military spokesman Lieutenant General Asim Bajwa.
The targeted killing of the president of the Balochistan Bar Association, Advocate Bilal Anwer Kasi, on August 8, 2016, marked the beginning of the self-proclaimed presence of the Islamic State in the province. When his body was brought to Civil Hospital Quetta, hundreds of lawyers gathered there to pay homage. That was when a suicide bomber struck, killing 63 of them. The total death toll that day was reported to be 93, with scores of others injured. This time responsibility was claimed by ISIS.
It is also possible that "Deep State" may have carried out this operation to eliminate the intelligentsia , a repeat of the tactic used in the then East Pakistan . Add one more initial to ISI and it becomes ISIS :mrgreen:
It was followed by two other major attacks – one on the Police Training Academy in Quetta, and the second on a Sufi shrine near Lasbela known as Shah Noorani. In these three attacks over four months, approximately 250 people were killed and more than 300 were injured.
There have been more than 26,000 terrorist attacks since 2002 in Pakistan, according to security analyst Amir Rana. On the Capital TV talk show “Cross Check” on November 17, he remarked that ISIS had become a terrorist brand, attracting terrorists from all over the world. Host Awais Tauheed brought up the report by the Sindh Counterterrorism Department, which concluded that the central character in the recent attacks on Shah Noorani in Balochistan and Safoora Goth in Karachi was Shafiq Mengal, son of Balochistan’s former caretaker chief minister, Naseer Mengal. However, these attacks were also claimed by Islamic State. Does that mean Shafiq Mengal is now acting as ISIS?
Of the 20-point National Action Plan to crack down on terrorists which was established in January 2015 after the Peshawar school attack on December 16, 2014 killed 145, including 132 children, it is quite obvious that several key points have had no real results. There has been no signs of strict action against the literature, newspapers and magazines promoting hatred, extremism, sectarianism and intolerance; choking financing for terrorist and terrorist organizations; registration and regulation of religious seminaries; or completely dismantling the communication network of terrorists (points 5-8). Nor has the government actually implemented zero tolerance for militancy in Punjab (point 15) or dealt firmly with sectarian terrorists (point 18).
As far as Balochistan is concerned, the Pakis are presently pre-occupied in making sure that the so-called CPEC is not derailed and any Chinese personnel are not killed, harmed , kidnapped etc
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Afghan And Pakistani Truck Drivers Become Political Football :D

Pakistan-Afghanistan trade suspended
The Afghan and Pakistani truck drivers blamed the officials of both the countries for imposing illegal taxes on their vehicles while transporting import and export items.
It seems that the days when Pakistan was "bullying" Afghanistan are now over ; Afghans are standing up for their rights !
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Peregrine wrote:On attaining the age of Eighteen Ruttie married the 42 Year Old Jinnah
Djinnah was married twice. First time married (by force) to his cousin Emibai when she was 14. Died soon after Djinnah escaped to England.
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ramana Ji : Fixed. Thousand apologies.

Our security relationship far wider with India than Pakistan, says US envoy

Ambassador to India Richard Verma said on Wednesday America’s security relationship with India was far broader than Pakistan.

Verma made the comment while addressing a news conference in eastern Kolkata city.

The US envoy said the security relationship with Pakistan was more complex.

“Our security relationship with Pakistan is one that’s complex. It’s focused on counter insurgency and counter terrorism. But our security relationship with India is far different, far broader,” said Verma.

When asked about the future of India-US ties under the new dispensation with President-elect Donald Trump set to take over from US President Barack Obama in January, Verma said it was a non-partisan issue.

“US-India relationship is on an upward trajectory like this, going up and I believe it will continue. I say that for a few reasons, one the gains that we have seen in relationship in many years, republican administrations, democratic administrations. I would argue that US-India relationship is a non-partisan issue at this point in our political system,” added Verma.

Verma also said the military logistics memorandum agreement signed between US and India was mundane in nature and was only limited to logistics.

Relations between the India and Pakistan have been strained for several months after attacks on India’s military base, while cross-frontier shelling has intensified leading to deaths of civilians and soldiers stationed along the disputed frontier.

The latest round of problem between the two countries began with civil unrest in Indian-occupied Kashmir and Pakistan’s protest against New Delhi’s crackdown on the Kashmiri activists.

The south Asian neighbours have been at odds over Kashmir ever since their independence nearly 70 years ago, fighting two of their three wars over the Himalayan region that they each rule in part but claim in full.
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Don't bother with Richard Verma speeches in Kolkata.
He will be on way out.
He is a political appointee. His patron Harry Reed has retired from Senate.
His statement would carry weight if made in Islamabad or even Delhi.

Making speeches in Jhumri Thaliya doesn't impress anyone.
Its a non speech.
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BTW, Peregrine the link is to some other news!!!
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Pakistanis Need Alcohol For Medicinal Purposes :wink:

Pakistan Has a Drinking Problem
Mohammed Hanif
KARACHI, Pakistan — Pakistan was recently mesmerized by a bottle of Scotch whisky. On Oct. 30, as hundreds of supporters of the opposition party Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (P.T.I.) were making their way to the capital Islamabad, with the declared intent of shutting down the city, the police searched the car of a P.T.I. politician and discovered a bottle of Johnny Walker Double Black.
Most Pakistanis had not seen a bottle of whisky in the news in a long time. Although there’s no ban on showing alcohol in the media, ( yet!- although in Saudia it might be :D) the subject rarely comes up in TV news. But this one bottle of whisky, waved around by a policeman, was broadcast on a loop. It became an emblem of the opposition’s immorality.
The politician claimed it contained honey. Yet later that evening, on a current affairs TV show, he put a sobering question to the other guests, “Which one of you doesn’t drink?” Complete silence. :rotfl:
If they said yes, they’d be implicating themselves. If they said no, nobody would believe them.( To get a "true answer", they should put their hand on the "Book" because no one DARE lie while putting their hand on the Quran Sharif !) For Muslims in Pakistan, drinking alcohol is prohibited and talking about it is taboo. Drinking and denying it is the oldest cocktail in the country.
It wasn’t always like this. The country was founded in 1947 by Mohammed Ali Jinnah, who was known to indulge in the occasional drink. (followed by HAM SANDWICHES :D )Alcohol shops and bars were banned in 1977 by Prime Minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, a person who had publicly proclaimed, “Yes, I do drink alcohol, but at least I don’t drink the blood of the poor.” There were "unconfirmed rumours" that he was almost drunk, when he walked away after addressing the UN ,( and tearing the resolution ) when he was not able to "stop" the birth of Bangla Desh !

That year, facing protests over an allegedly rigged election that his party had won, Mr. Bhutto decided to declare prohibition.( and establish the Islamic Sabbath on Friday plus ban on horse racing and gambling but the Aam Abduls did not "buy" his show off (late) conversion to Malsi and the agitation continued till he was toppled by Zia !) He probably believed that he and his comrades would continue to enjoy their Scotch in private. He was hanged two years later.
Since those days, Pakistan’s rich have continued to enjoy their liquor at home and members’ clubs, but the less privileged have been persecuted and flogged, and are at risk of being imprisoned, for possessing and consuming alcohol. And many have died from home-made poisonous brew !
It’s true that most people in Pakistan don’t drink because they are Muslim. But many more don’t drink because they are Muslim and poor. Nobody abstains from drinking ( and other "vices" like prostitution, gambling etc )because it’s prohibited by law.
When alcohol was banned by Mr. Bhutto, an exception was made for non-Muslims. They would be issued licenses and allotted a quota. Non-Muslim visiting foreigners would be able to order a drink in their hotel rooms, but the hotels would make them fill out a form saying they needed the alcohol for medicinal purposes.
Many believe that "this rule" is still in existence and also, some minorities do sell their "quotas" to their Muslim friends and make a few bucks on the side :mrgreen:
In the province of Sindh, where I live, licensed shops, usually called wine stores, have operated even since prohibition. The stores are supposed to sell only to non-Muslims, but they don’t discriminate. Owners have to pay off the police, though, and any dispute can result in the shops having to close down. The "hafta" system of the sub-continent
The laws can be cruel and absurd. Last summer, the local police in Karachi banned liquor stores from keeping freezers, in order to stop consumers from buying a cold beer. Apparently chilled beer was a threat to our faith :eek: and to peace, but warm beer was just warm beer.
In late October, a High Court judge ordered the closure of all these stores after accepting a petition that said alcohol is prohibited not only in Islam but in Christianity and Hinduism, too. This ban means that only those who can afford imported liquor will keep buying from a flourishing network of bootleggers. There were some later reports which indicated that the earlier (silly) order was rescinded
Others will have to buy one of the many versions of moonshine brewed all over the country, which routinely blind and kill consumers. Two years ago, when liquor stores were shut in Sindh over the Eid holiday, more than 25 people died after drinking home-brew. Survivors report that if the stuff doesn’t kill you or blind you, it isn’t that bad. You can make out from this that the writer, is fond of imported as well as local stuff
Members of Parliament and law enforcers and industrialists and bureaucrats and young professionals and even some religious scholars can drink with impunity. ( sarkari maulana Hasan Ashrafi was recently caught drunk on camera! ) A taxi driver trying to score a beer on the go risks a jail term or losing his eyesight to moonshine.
It’s a law-and-order issue, you see. The rich drink in their own homes and frolic or puke on their own lawns, but the assumption is that if the poor get drunk in public spaces, they’ll make a nuisance. Which is why those who can afford fine scotches can also afford to give everyone else lectures about our religious duties. It seems that those who suck the blood of poor people want to make sure it’s not tainted with cheap alcohol. What goes on behind the four walls in Islamic societies like Pakistan and Saudi Arabia is anyone's guess
No wonder Pakistanis go to any lengths to ensure they’re not seen drinking, even when they smell like a barrel of liquor. I once had dinner with a 74-year-old grandfather who sipped from his spiked bottle of cola but worried that one of the children at the table would get their Pepsis mixed up with his. Local restaurants have been known to serve "pepsi-cola" to known patrons !
I’ve tried to interview my neighborhood liquor-shop owner, but he has discouraged me. There are enough problems in Pakistan, why don’t you write about them? But is this Bombay Sapphire knockoff you’re selling any good? How would I know? he said, I have never had a drop. Not even for medicinal purposes. :rotfl:

Mohammed Hanif is the author of the novels “A Case of Exploding Mangoes”
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ramana wrote:BTW, Peregrine the link is to some other news!!!
ramana Ji : Fixed. Thousand Apologies
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Not sure if this Article has been posted earlier :
X Posted on the CPEC and PESW Threads
Pakistan to protest World Bank’s ‘incorrect map’
Experts from Pakistan and different countries have gathered in Islamabad to attend the three-day conference on the theme of China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) and regional integration.
PM’s Adviser on Foreign Affairs Sartaj Aziz inaugurated the conference. He said the CPEC would have far-reaching consequences for the entire world.
“China has allowed Pakistan to benefit from the CPEC according to its own priorities and the most important of these priorities is energy. Out of the total CPEC investment, $33 billion is in the energy sector,” he said, stressing upon the fact that most of this outlay is in the form of investment.
International Monetary Fund’s Resident Representative Tokhir Mirzoev told the audience that Pakistan had to attain 15% per annum growth in exports for the next five years to pay off the CPEC-related liabilities.
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FDI dips by 45% in first five months of FY 2016-17 :D
KARACHI: It seems that the world is not endorsing buying the government of Pakistan's claims about its rapid growth as the foreign direct investment (FDI) in first five months of current fiscal fell drastically by 45 percent.
Falling FDI coupled with debt/loan accumulation (to build FE Reserves ), falling exports, and other assorted economic ills are recipe for an economic slowdown and / or meltdown .

Lahori logic and Sialkoti statistics :mrgreen:
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Feart of Pakistan
Herein lies the rub. Pakistan’s military establishment isn’t ready to snuff out these militant organisations for one main reason: they are part of its India-centred security doctrine in which non-state actors, no less than nuclear weapons and a friendly regime in Afghanistan, are expected to provide critical leverage in any potential conflict with India. And this, because of asymmetrical conventional defense logistics. Short of abandoning long cherished notions of national security that form the raison d’etre of the military establishment, which in turn are based on resolving “core” disputes with India to the satisfaction of Pakistan, our foreign policy establishment will continue to be tied up in knots. Regional and international isolation and censure are inevitable. The world cannot sleep at night at the thought of nuclear armed Pakistan with aggressive claims vis a vis neighbours India and Afghanistan; and a country that is unable to cope with radical Islamists in its midst, a failing economy, ethnic strife and constant civil-military squabbling.Going forward, we must recognise that the fault lies at home and not abroad. We have created ideological narratives and nurtured radicalised non-state actors in pursuit of objectives that have hugely hurt us as a nation-state, destabilised the region and alarmed the world. At the Heart of Pakistan, we must have the courage and will to fashion an alternative paradigm that works better for all.
http://www.thefridaytimes.com/tft/heart-of-pakistan/
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Cross-posting...

One can't make this shi*t up:

Baki cricketers fight with each other during warm up football game

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Prem wrote:Feart of Pakistan
Herein lies the rub. Pakistan’s military establishment isn’t ready to snuff out these militant organisations for one main reason: they are part of its India-centred security doctrine in which non-state actors, no less than nuclear weapons and a friendly regime in Afghanistan, are expected to provide critical leverage in any potential conflict with India. And this, because of asymmetrical conventional defense logistics. Short of abandoning long cherished notions of national security that form the raison d’etre of the military establishment, which in turn are based on resolving “core” disputes with India to the satisfaction of Pakistan, our foreign policy establishment will continue to be tied up in knots. Regional and international isolation and censure are inevitable. The world cannot sleep at night at the thought of nuclear armed Pakistan with aggressive claims vis a vis neighbours India and Afghanistan; and a country that is unable to cope with radical Islamists in its midst, a failing economy, ethnic strife and constant civil-military squabbling.Going forward, we must recognise that the fault lies at home and not abroad. We have created ideological narratives and nurtured radicalised non-state actors in pursuit of objectives that have hugely hurt us as a nation-state, destabilised the region and alarmed the world. At the Heart of Pakistan, we must have the courage and will to fashion an alternative paradigm that works better for all.
http://www.thefridaytimes.com/tft/heart-of-pakistan/

The world doesn't really care what delusions Pakistan has and nurtures.
Its over. Rome is withdrawing to rebuild.

Best option is to let the Sindh, K-P , Baluch and Pok go their different ways and Pakjab retain the wealth it has accumulated.

Or alternatively let these folks and come and take it away.
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Can someone with a little time watch this clip and alert us where the action starts ?

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http://www.dawn.com/news/1302694/10-chi ... -along-loc
10 children injured, driver killed as Indian troops target school van along LoC

( Paki need to stop hauling terrorists in school vans)
At least 10 children were injured, three of them critically, when Indian troops opened fire on a school van in Azad Jammu and Kashmir along the Line of Control (LoC) on Friday, Assistant Commissioner Zeeshan Khan said.The driver of the van, carrying 20 students of a private school, died on the spot as the vehicle came under attack in Mori Bazaar in Nakyal sector of Kotli district.The injured children are between the age of eight and fifteen years, the AC said.Four children have been transferred to District Headquarters Hospital Kotli while efforts are being made to transfer others as well. Three amongst the injured are reported to be in critical condition and will be transferred to Islamabad for treatment.
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Tax Nightmare "Coming" For UAE Pakis :mrgreen:

Situationer: Pakistanis quiver as UAE demands tax information
Last week account holders in a major UAE bank began receiving letters alerting them that soon they will be required to furnish information “with a view to determining where they are resident for tax purposes”. In days to come, customers with other banks will start receiving the same letter.
The effort is part of a programme to bring UAE banks into compliance with what is called the Common Reporting Standard (CRS), agreed upon by a group of signatory countries under the umbrella of the OECD, which aims to curb tax evasion through offshore havens.According to bankers in Dubai who are directly involved in ensuring compliance matters and spoke in the background only, as of Jan 1, 2017, all existing high net worth individuals will be asked to furnish details of their permanent residency and the citizenship they hold, and their tax status in their own countries. High net worth is defined as holding an account with a balance of $1 million and above, and the disclosure will be required from residents and non-residents alike.
It will be interesting to know if AAZ, Mush, Immy and Ganja Sharif and other corrupt Pakis are going to be affected by this new directive !
From Jan 1, 2018, this requirement will become mandatory for everyone, “regardless of who you are”. Hint that "sifarish" may not work ?
Since the news broke, a wave of anxiety has swept through Pakistan’s wealthy elite, and for good reason. For a number of years now, ads have been appearing in Pakistani media inviting people to invest in Dubai property, and unofficially sourced data from the Dubai Land Authority has fed a steady news flow claiming that more than $2 billion has flowed into Dubai real estate by Pakistanis every year for the past three years.Since the data apparently includes overseas Pakistanis, it may not tell the story of massive capital flight from the country that many impute to it. Nevertheless, for many years now it has become common knowledge that at least a portion of the vast hordes of black money accumulating in Pakistan has been parked in Dubai. So, Pakistanis will be at the receiving end of the "special treatment ", this time at the hands of their own Ummah brothers :mrgreen:
In the past the UAE government has not cooperated with such requests from Pakistan, according to FBR sources, even though a bilateral treaty for the exchange of financial information for tax matters exists between both countries.But that can change. “This could shake Pakistan’s economy to its foundations,” says Shabbar Zaidi of Fergusons, (one of the largest and most respected CA firm in Pakistan !) who has campaigned for years against the accumulating hordes of black money in the country. “It is a very positive step.”
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Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

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Pakistan commission on August Quetta attack slams Islamabad for 'cavorting with terror'

NEW DELHI: A Pakistan Supreme Court-constituted commission yesterday slammed the country's central government for "cavorting with" banned terror groups, Dawn reported.

Terror outfits must be immediately banned and the Anti-Terrorism Act (ATA) must be enforced not just in letter but in spirit too, said the judge-led commission, formed to investigate the August suicide attack in Quetta+ that killed 74 people.

"If Pakistan is to be a tolerant citadel of peace and interfaith harmony, then the laws and the Constitution have to be re-established," the commission's report said.

Dawn wrote that the commission "regretted" that Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan had on October 21 met the he head of three banned organisations - Sipah-i-Sahaba Pakistan, Millat-i-Islamia and Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamaat - "to listen to his demands and (then) conceded to them. "

"ATA is equally applicable to public functionaries and they should not be cavorting with proclaimed members of banned organisations," the commission said, according to Dawn.

The newspaper added that the commission insisted that hypocrisy must stop.

"There should be a nationwide streamlining of national policy and all government servants need to abide by it, or face the consequences," the commission said according to the newspaper.

Everyone needs to be informed about which the organizations that are banned, the commission said.

"Terrorist organisations must not be permitted to hold meetings and people must be informed about the reasons for banning such organisations", said the commission in its 110-page inquiry report submitted to a three-judge Pakistan Supreme Court bench yesterday, Dawn said.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

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Pakistani media on alert after TV channel’s libel defeat in British court
A libel victory in a British court has posed a major challenge to the bare-knuckle style of Pakistani television channels that specialise in wild attacks on public figures, often at the behest of the country’s intelligence agencies. And also the TV channels are taken to task ( fine, suspension of their licence, etc) if they air anything that is true but not palatable to the "Deep State"
Earlier this month Mir Shakil ur Rahman, a Dubai-based media tycoon ( and a non-punjabi ) who owns the Jang newspaper group and Geo television, won a significant victory against ARY, which like most other Pakistani television stations is answerable to British courts because it rebroadcasts in the UK.The court found ARY guilty of making 24 separate defamatory claims against Rahman and ordered the channel to pay damages of £185,000. When costs are included ARY’s total bill is thought to be almost £3m. ARY and anchor-man Mubashir Luqman are one of the "favourites" of the Paki Establishment ; this channel has been used to "throw dirt" on other Paki pols and personalities !
Salman Raja, a leading lawyer, said Rahman’s victory would act as a deterrent because television stations could no longer rely on complaints getting lost in Pakistan’s dysfunctional legal system. (e.g. the Deep State inspired attack on Geo Anchor, Hamid Mir is yet to be solved, but the anchor has got the message , and has toned down his criticism of the Agencies !)
ARY is also being sued in the UK by Mian Muhammad Mansha, a banking tycoon said to be one of Pakistan’s richest men, after the channel accused him of fraud.
Ofcom, the British media regulator, is also emerging as a forum for Pakistanis to complain about how they are treated by their own media.
In November the watchdog ruled in favour of Chaudhry Barjees Tahir, a government minister, who complained he had been unfairly treated by ARY when a programme accused him of corruption.Ofcom also ruled in favour of the father of Malala Yousafzai, the Nobel prize-winning education activist who survived a Taliban assassination attempt in 2012.So, the UK Justice/ legal system ( and therefore UK taxpayer money )is being used and/or abused by oversees Pakistanis to vent their frustration against Paki justice/legal system ; maybe, the Bartania Goberment should seriously consider setting up a separate Ministry dealing with Paki Affairs (illegal immigration, tax fraud, honour killings, sexual assault on minor girls ) and impose a "special tax" on Pakistani immigrants and /or British nationals of Paki origin to fund these services :mrgreen:
The UK is a lucrative media market, given the 1.7 million people with Pakistani links living in the country. Rahman has been publishing a daily Urdu paper in Britain since 1971.But ARY’s crushing legal defeat highlights the stark contrast between the freewheeling journalistic standards of Pakistan and those in the UK, where media groups retain lawyers to check stories for potential libel.In court ARY did not attempt to defend any of the lurid claims it had made against Rahman as true.“No such defence could be properly pleaded, since there simply was no evidence to support it,” the ruling said.
Rahman was attacked during dozens of programmes in 2013-14 presented by Mubasher Lucman, a well-known anchor, who enlisted Islamic clerics to accuse the media owner of blasphemy and issue fatwas against him.Lucman, who refused to appear in the London court, also repeatedly accused Rahman of committing treason and working for Indian intelligence. ( Lucman - an hyper nationalist and anti semite - is sometimes known to go "overboard" in support of Paki Ideology !)
One programme alleged that the Aman Ki Asha initiative, a long-running campaign by Geo to promote peace between Pakistan and India, was secretly funded by the Indian government and that Rahman had “therefore lied to and betrayed the people of Pakistan”, the judgment said.
Rahman fell out spectacularly with the country’s powerful military establishment in 2013 when Geo aired incendiary claims that the head of the army’s intelligence wing had attempted to assassinate one of its leading journalists.The army responded by demanding the cancellation of Geo’s broadcasting licence. Cable television providers were persuaded to drop the channel and rivals piled in with attacks on the station. The same tactic was recently used by the "Deep State" to pressure a respected columnist ( and hence the management ) of DAWN newspaper to retract a (true) news items ("act against militants or face international isolation") with the result that the reporter "has taken shelter in Massaland" !

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