![Mr. Green :mrgreen:](./images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif)
look how glibly the words roll off their twisted taqiya tongues: self defense, police brutality, your dignity, right, demands..........
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Minhaz Merchant@MinhazMerchant·Jan 27
Govt now has opportunity to correct its mishandling of #FarmersProtests:
1) Do NOT amend stubble burning & electricity subsidy clauses in farm laws. Both are reformist clauses;
2) Withdraw offer to suspend farm laws for 18 months;
3) End talks with farmers’ unions.
Only SC panel.
Awesome ...Punjabi wrote:Not a perfect solution but a tool in this fight... Develop an open National "Rioters Registry" using all the digital content analytics from these protests, CBI and other data sets. As these scumbags get identified and verified:
1. Flag them for NO government (federal or state) jobs
2. Passports, OCIs revoked
3. Seize their assets for non-payment of dues for damaging public property.
3.1 Calculate ballpark cost of each riot (damage to infrastructure, cost of medical treatment of security personnel)...
3.2 Stick it on the protest leaders' head as a Legal Bond if their Chelas break the law and ruin public property...
3.3 Make it public while negotiating protest march etc. with the so called leaders that they have to sign a Bond or NO protests/marches allowed.
I know many of the Gurus will poke holes in this and say its not foolproof and yes there will be loopholes BUT:
1. It sends a message that you'll be paying for your Bura Karam...Jayada Bura Karam, Bahut Bura Action!
2. Rioting comes at a cost...are you willing to pay that...
3. Instill fear of reprisal...esp. the leaders and their immediate chamchaas... as long as it is enforced with a Titanium hand, it will start showing the impact. When these shitbags will see passports canceled, no jobs, Ladkiwale will search Rioters database for DamaadJi/Grrrooms who are rioters, no Shaadi...believe me, it will start working even if not perfect! That Hot mardangi to riot will start melting down...
J Gopikrishnan@jgopikrishnan70·8h
As you look caste angle-please also see-Major media are owned by Jains, Birlas, Guptas, Agarwals, Baniyas+Ambani controls etc.Only Brahmins owned paper is 'The Hindu'. And one more thing- Recruitment in media is the most -non transparent, basically on recommendations
Excellent post. To add, also record the evidence of crime of these perpetrators and mail the evidence to foreign consulates . The guy Navneet Singh who rammed his tractor into the barrier, flipped and died apparently is an australian resident and has a australian wife, his father is a wealthy farm owner and has relatives in Canada and UK, if these scoundrels are Indian citizens then cancel their passports and restrict their exit (similar to banana pakis famous exit control list), and if they are visa holders of other countries, mail their consulates the evidence of their crime, if they are citizens of foreign countries then remove them from India and permanently bar them from entering.Punjabi wrote:Not a perfect solution but a tool in this fight... Develop an open National "Rioters Registry" using all the digital content analytics from these protests, CBI and other data sets. As these scumbags get identified and verified:
1. Flag them for NO government (federal or state) jobs
2. Passports, OCIs revoked
3. Seize their assets for non-payment of dues for damaging public property.
3.1 Calculate ballpark cost of each riot (damage to infrastructure, cost of medical treatment of security personnel)...
3.2 Stick it on the protest leaders' head as a Legal Bond if their Chelas break the law and ruin public property...
3.3 Make it public while negotiating protest march etc. with the so called leaders that they have to sign a Bond or NO protests/marches allowed.
I know many of the Gurus will poke holes in this and say its not foolproof and yes there will be loopholes BUT:
1. It sends a message that you'll be paying for your Bura Karam...Jayada Bura Karam, Bahut Bura Action!
2. Rioting comes at a cost...are you willing to pay that...
3. Instill fear of reprisal...esp. the leaders and their immediate chamchaas... as long as it is enforced with a Titanium hand, it will start showing the impact. When these shitbags will see passports canceled, no jobs, Ladkiwale will search Rioters database for DamaadJi/Grrrooms who are rioters, no Shaadi...believe me, it will start working even if not perfect! That Hot mardangi to riot will start melting down...
Unfortunately you cant do that, won't stand the test in the courts citing privacy. There is also a mechanism where most govt's will ask for a PCC (police clearance certificate) when applying for a study permit/permanent residence. The PCC is furnished by the local police, not sure if an 'adverse report' also includes crimes in which one is convicted in another jurisdiction (IPS officer can clarify). Also note, you have to be 'convicted', so one could easily take off unless a look-out notice is issued, which requires positive identification, and evidence to be included in an FIR. I dare say the IB should be at airports going through international and domestic flight manifests and intercepting any one of interest at immigration for an interview.Ambar wrote:
Excellent post. To add, also record the evidence of crime of these perpetrators and mail the evidence to foreign consulates . The guy Navneet Singh who rammed his tractor into the barrier, flipped and died apparently is an australian resident and has a australian wife, his father is a wealthy farm owner and has relatives in Canada and UK, if these scoundrels are Indian citizens then cancel their passports and restrict their exit (similar to banana pakis famous exit control list), and if they are visa holders of other countries, mail their consulates the evidence of their crime, if they are citizens of foreign countries then remove them from India and permanently bar them from entering.
1. IMHO, Privacy is overblown by liberals... most governments already know almost everything about us. Yes, some basic data privacy constraints are needed and justified BUT...mmasand wrote:Unfortunately you cant do that, won't stand the test in the courts citing privacy. There is also a mechanism where most govt's will ask for a PCC (police clearance certificate) when applying for a study permit/permanent residence. The PCC is furnished by the local police, not sure if an 'adverse report' also includes crimes in which one is convicted in another jurisdiction (IPS officer can clarify). Also note, you have to be 'convicted', so one could easily take off unless a look-out notice is issued, which requires positive identification, and evidence to be included in an FIR. I dare say the IB should be at airports going through international and domestic flight manifests and intercepting any one of interest at immigration for an interview.Ambar wrote:
Excellent post. To add, also record the evidence of crime of these perpetrators and mail the evidence to foreign consulates . The guy Navneet Singh who rammed his tractor into the barrier, flipped and died apparently is an australian resident and has a australian wife, his father is a wealthy farm owner and has relatives in Canada and UK, if these scoundrels are Indian citizens then cancel their passports and restrict their exit (similar to banana pakis famous exit control list), and if they are visa holders of other countries, mail their consulates the evidence of their crime, if they are citizens of foreign countries then remove them from India and permanently bar them from entering.
Can you provide a source for that info? That can discredit (poor farmers) and shut up a bunch of fake liberals.Ambar wrote: Excellent post. To add, also record the evidence of crime of these perpetrators and mail the evidence to foreign consulates . The guy Navneet Singh who rammed his tractor into the barrier, flipped and died apparently is an australian resident and has a australian wife, his father is a wealthy farm owner and has relatives in Canada and UK, if these scoundrels are Indian citizens then cancel their passports and restrict their exit (similar to banana pakis famous exit control list), and if they are visa holders of other countries, mail their consulates the evidence of their crime, if they are citizens of foreign countries then remove them from India and permanently bar them from entering.
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look how glibly the words roll off their twisted taqiya tongues: self defense, police brutality, your dignity, right, demands..........![]()
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https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 480196.cmsdsreedhar wrote:Can you provide a source for that info? That can discredit (poor farmers) and shut up a bunch of fake liberals.Ambar wrote: Excellent post. To add, also record the evidence of crime of these perpetrators and mail the evidence to foreign consulates . The guy Navneet Singh who rammed his tractor into the barrier, flipped and died apparently is an australian resident and has a australian wife, his father is a wealthy farm owner and has relatives in Canada and UK, if these scoundrels are Indian citizens then cancel their passports and restrict their exit (similar to banana pakis famous exit control list), and if they are visa holders of other countries, mail their consulates the evidence of their crime, if they are citizens of foreign countries then remove them from India and permanently bar them from entering.
I see these car rallies in the hundreds on the Gardiner Expressway in Toronto every week since early December, they have 'No farmers, no food' stickers on their rear bumper, and the occasional Khalistani flag, Khalsa symbols, incessant honking until they get into the city and drive by the Indian consulate. Off-late with the new lockdown restrictions, we haven't seen them in January. Every Uber Eats/other delivery aggregators car has such flags on the cars all over the city. People locally couldn't really give two hoots, it's merely a show of strength to their own elected representatives that they are a vote bank.Cyrano wrote:Someone sent me a WhatsApp video of a long Khalistan Rally on the highways around NYC area on 26th Jan. The rally was slowing traffic because the hundred+ cars/SUVs were driving queued up with turbaned men leaning out of the windows waving square yellow Khalistan flags, some cars are seen displaying large Bhindranwale posters.
"Unfortunately 2 wrongs don't make a right." that's debatable! Although my post was more focused on how to handle these folks on domestic front, if they destroy the country and run out to hide elsewhere, they Lose the moral ground and support of Govt and people of India. Period...Yes, we can not expect foreign governments to do our job but we can improve our own legal framework, enforcement processes augmented with technology and training of police force. They are poorly trained to handle the scope and ferocity of these riots and they will grow uglier every time...there is NO kind way to handle these shitbags... Imagine if I disagree with you as a neighbor and park my Tractor in front of your driveway and road you take to work and try to run you down...Would You care about my Privacy Rights? If you are a cop and me/my folks beat you up in a riot, would you still respect my Privacy Rights...hell NO...same applies across the board...game needs to be EQUITABLE...treat others as you want o be treated or be prepared for consequences!mmasand wrote:^ Unfortunately 2 wrongs don't make a right. They are our citizens, if we go about parading them to foreign govt's that we can't hold them to account, please don't accept them into your country. Besides 'disrespect' to a flag is more of an emotive issue in India than in the West, where you can burn the flag, put it on your underwear, wear it as a drape - we can't expect them to enforce our IPC/CrPC sections in their jurisdiction. Their immigration department's can open the door to litigation, if say you have a Congress government in the Centre that cracks down on any journalists by painting them with the same brush. Focus on strengthening our processes, institutions, and our 1950's police forces where less than 1% of their budget is spent on training.
With ED closing in on India Today over the fake TRP case, the channel may be looking for a more honourable time for the eventual exit of Sardesai.
After speculations were rife that Rajdeep Sardesai has resigned from India Today after he was suspended for two weeks, new speculations say that it has been put on hold for some time.
According to insider sources from India Today, the group head Aroon Purie has stepped in to “manage” the resignation of the controversial journalist. Poorie is trying to “manage” the embarrassing situation both the media house and the controversial journalist are facing following he was caught spreading fake news multiple times in this week.
Sources say that as per this plan, Rajdeep Sardesai will stay on with India Today for the time being, and he will leave the network sometime in future, so that his resignation is not linked with the controversies he has created this week. According to sources, channel is unhappy with Rajdeep because he not only posted fake news about the death of a farmer protestor on 26th January in Delhi, but he also made statements on air making completely false allegations. He had said on air that he was shown the body of the farmer with bullet injury on the head.
Rajdeep Sardesai had claimed that the farmer was shot dead by Delhi police, while the fact is that he had died after his tractor had overturned while he was trying to do a stunt with the vehicle. It was confirmed by the video footage of the incident, accounts of journalists who witnessed the event, and the post-mortem report of the farmer. It was also reported that when the police had tried to rescue the farmer after the accident, they were prevented from doing so by the protestors, causing the death.
Not just this, Rajdeep Sardesai had invited lots of humiliation onto himself and the channel just a few days ago, when he had joined the fake controversy over the portrait of Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose at the Rashtrapati Bhawan. When the portrait was unveiled on 23rd January on the occasion of 125th birth anniversary of Netaji, a large number of opposition leaders and journalists had claimed that the portrait actually depicts actor Prosenjit Chatterjee, who had played the role of Bose in a movie. But later it was revealed that the portrait was based on a photograph of Bose, which was supplied by his grand-nephew. Rajdeep Sardesai was one of the journalists to spread the fake news on Twitter, along with others like Barkha Dutt, Sagarika Ghose, Rohini Singh etc.
With ED closing in on India Today over the fake TRP case, the channel may be looking for a more honourable time for the eventual exit of Sardesai. Therefore, the resignation of the journalist may be managed for the time being, according to the speculations.
Chetakjichetak wrote:J Gopikrishnan@jgopikrishnan70·8h
As you look caste angle-please also see-Major media are owned by Jains, Birlas, Guptas, Agarwals, Baniyas+Ambani controls etc.Only Brahmins owned paper is 'The Hindu'. And one more thing- Recruitment in media is the most -non transparent, basically on recommendations
The job of a government is to govern and not to demolish the opposition.
The aim of the government now is to push ahead with the farm laws, and coming down heavily on protesters will not help.
This little disingenuous. In hindsight it looks good.disha wrote:https://swarajyamag.com/politics/bjps-o ... n-imagined
The job of a government is to govern and not to demolish the opposition.
The aim of the government now is to push ahead with the farm laws, and coming down heavily on protesters will not help.
+1Sumeet wrote:I would like to start a new metric
Instant Gratification Ahead of the Curve Super Jingo BRFite - 0
MAD - 1
+1Vadivel wrote:This little disingenuous. In hindsight it looks good.
But what would have happened if the bunch of idiots did not raise the flag, the tractor rally went smooth etc, controlling the situation and the gov leading it the way it wants is correct way, waiting out is not a strategy and hoping it will fizzle out or waiting for a bad step to pounce on act is weak method, imho.
You would not be surprised to know that India has the smallest diplomatic pool in the world as a proportion of it's population. Our embassies are staffed by less than 12-14 diplomats. This is a question for South Block, which has expanded its policy divisions by hiring 'consultants' to skirt the foreign service shortage, but not expanded diplomatic posts. Singapore and Israel have bigger embassies than India.Cyrano wrote:mmasand, that is the case now, but if left unchecked this will grow like a cancer, everywhere. We are seeing signs of metastasis already.
Why are Indian Ambassadors in Canada and US not lodging protests, condemning vocally in the media, criticising supporting entities, businesses etc? Pathetic that we need to take a leaf or two from the Chinese playbook to learn now to defend our just causes and positions.
PAPPU is giving a warning to aroon poorie for dumping SardesaiRahul Gandhi
@RahulGandhi
एक साइड चुनने का समय है।
मेरा फ़ैसला साफ़ है। मैं लोकतंत्र के साथ हूँ, मैं किसानों और उनके शांतिपूर्ण आंदोलन के साथ हूँ।
Translated from Hindi by
It is time to choose a side.
My decision is clear. I am with democracy, I am with farmers and their peaceful movement.
I think a key aspect of any stringent action would have to be "selling" it, if not to the "world audience", then at least to the aam abdul in India. Explain what is wrong with the intent and methods of the agitators. Explain why this particular action is the one to be taken. Explain why the action will have little or no repercussions on the aam abdul. Etc. Without this aspect, stringent action--usually meaning unleashing police, likely leading to firing and deaths--would be counterproductive in the present circumstances.Primus wrote:Been watching some youtube videos and commentaries of prominent Indics like Ajeet Bharti and Sanjay Dixit. They are quite upset with the Modi government for allowing all of this to happen, no matter the optics at the end favoring the government. I tend to agree. No group should be able to block national highways for months and hold the Capital to ransom the way Shaheen Bagh and the 'Farmers' were allowed to do. This will only repeat itself in various guises in the future. The government was given a historic mandate and still has the majority of the country behind it. It should be seen to be strong not only against external, but internal threats as well. BIF have realized that a frontal assault on the nation will not work, the armed forces have now become stronger and the resolve of the nation as a whole is firmer. However, there are so many internal fault lines that can be exploited and that is exactly what has been done.
This whole matter has to be dealt with in the most severe manner possible - the dignity, honor and integrity of the nation is at stake. The leaders must be punished without mercy and all the perpetrators put in jail for a long time. The Khalistanis must be deported, banned from future entry into India and the local supporters have their passports taken away, all the other punitive measures as outlined so succinctly above.
I have never been so angry since the Godhra incident.
How the lion turned into a mousevimal wrote:Before and after![]()
NEW DELHI: A standoff built up through Thursday between police and protesters at UP Gate on Delhi’s Ghazipur border after the UP government ordered farmers camping there to be vacated and Bharatiya Kisan Union’s Tikait faction, the outfit leading the sit-in agitation at the site, dug in its heels and announced it would move the Supreme Court on Friday against the attempt to evict the protesters.
BKU leader Rakesh Tikait, who held fort at UP Gate as tension rose after the protesters were served a notice by the Ghaziabad administration to leave and a heavy police contingent moved in, said, “The Supreme Court has not raised any objections to peaceful protest. No violence has taken place here (at UP Gate). I will challenge the order in the Supreme Court on Friday.”
The local administration snapped power supply to the camps on the highway that have housed thousands of protesters since the agitation began in the last week of November at UP Gate, which formed the troika, alongside Singhu and Tikri, that became the main protest centres against the new farming laws. The water tanker service was discontinued as well. Most mobile toilets were removed, too.
But even as the BKU held out, other protests folded up – primary among them the agitation at Atoha in Palwal on the Delhi-Agra highway – as the tide continued to turn after the Republic Day violence in Delhi during the farmers’ tractor rally. “The Red Fort incident changed everything overnight,” admitted Shiv Kumar Kakka, who was leading the Atoha protest as he decided to wrap up the agitation, a day after more than 2,000 protesters were booked for a clash in Faridabad during a Republic Day tractor rally. Kakka said the protest had also lost the support of locals.
The previous night, in UP’s Baghpat, police evicted protesters camping on the Delhi-Saharanpur highway. An FIR was also filed against the farmers under IPC sections 283 (obstruction in public way), 341 (wrongful restraint), 188 (disobedience of order promulgated by public servant), 269 (spreading infection) and sections of the Epidemic Diseases Act.
At Singhu border, Delhi Police installed new barricades near the passage to the protest site, leaving visitors with no option but to take long detours passing through residential areas. Police also began stopping private vehicles a few kilometres before from the protest site, allowing only government vehicles to go forward. There are more boots on the ground as well.
The crowd at the protest site too had conspicuously thinned. Farmers said they will stay put and only those who had come to participate in the tractor parade had returned. The Burari grounds, meanwhile, were cleared of protesters. Around 30 of them moved to Singhu and 15 were detained for their possible involvement in the violence on January 26. “By 8pm, the Burari grounds were vacated,” said a senior police officer.
both are house niggers, of parivar first, and party nextvijayk wrote:PAPPU is giving a warning to aroon poorie for dumping SardesaiRahul Gandhi
@RahulGandhi
एक साइड चुनने का समय है।
मेरा फ़ैसला साफ़ है। मैं लोकतंत्र के साथ हूँ, मैं किसानों और उनके शांतिपूर्ण आंदोलन के साथ हूँ।
Translated from Hindi by
It is time to choose a side.
My decision is clear. I am with democracy, I am with farmers and their peaceful movement.
There is something called pakiness.Vadivel wrote:This little disingenuous. In hindsight it looks good.
But what would have happened if the bunch of idiots did not raise the flag, the tractor rally went smooth etc, controlling the situation and the gov leading it the way it wants is correct way, waiting out is not a strategy and hoping it will fizzle out or waiting for a bad step to pounce on act is weak method, imho.