Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

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Pakis are $hitting in their pants... :rotfl: Zaid Hamid's army of Di*ks..
Reliable sources stated that Pakistani authorities have decided to move her forces from Western to Eastern border. The move of forces would start soon. The decision has been taken after receiving the threat from Indian Army Chief General Deepak Kapoor to strike Pakistan on November 22, 2009. Indian Chief warned that a limited war under a nuclear overhang is still very much a reality at least in the Indian sub-continent. On November 23, 2009 Pakistan Foreign Office Spokes man Abdul Basit asked the world community to take notice of remarks passed by the Indian Army Chief. He also said that India has set the stage and trying to impose a limited war on Pakistan. There are reports that Indian intelligence agencies have made a plan to hit some Indian nuke installation, alleging and then striking Pakistan. It is also added here that India has started purchasing lethal weapons.

According to the careful survey a poor Asian country (India) has spent trillions on purchasing of Naval, Air force and nuke equipments. Thus, Indian preparation simply dictates that she is preparing for nuke war. The Kashmir conflicts, water issue, borer dispute between China and India, American presence in Afghanistan, Maoist movements, Indian state terrorism, cold war between India and regional countries would be contributing factors towards Next third world war.

Indian Chief’s statement by design came a day earlier to Manmohan Singh visit to USA. The purpose of threatening Pakistan could also be justifying future Indian attack on Pakistan. Therefore, Islamabad concern is serious in nature since any Indian misadventure will put the regional peace into stake and would lead both the country towards nuclear conflict. Islamabad probably conveyed her ally (USA) regarding danger of limited war against Pakistan; she has to cease her efforts on western border for repulsing Indian aggression on eastern border. In fact, Indian government and her army chief made a deliberate try to sabotage global war against terror. In this connection Pakistan Army Spokesman Major General Athar Abbas time and again said that India is involved in militancy against Pakistan and her consulates located in Afghanistan are being used as launching pad.

It is worth mentioning here that Pakistan has deployed more than 100,000 troops on the border with Afghanistan and is fighting a bloody war against terrorism. Her security forces are busy in elimination of foreign sponsored militancy. Thousand of soldiers have scarified their lives not only for the motherland but to bring safety to the world in general. Pakistan is a key ally in the war on terror and the threat of withdrawal would alarm the USA as it could seriously hamper NATO troops fighting in Afghanistan. Pakistan is a nuclear power too and is able to handle any type of Indian belligerence.

In this context, earlier Pakistan Army Chief of Staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani has categorically expressed at number of occasions that Indian attack would be responded in full strength while using all types of resources. On November 25, 2009 General Kayani stated that the nation would emerge as victorious in the on-going war against extremism. While addressing a ceremony at Police Lines he paid rich tributes to the Frontier police for their valuable sacrifices in the war against terrorism. At this occasion General Kayani revealed that Pakistan was founded in the name of Islam by our forefathers and each one of us should work for strengthening the country and should made commitment towards achieving the goal of turning the country into a true Islamic state. He also announced Rs.20 million for the Frontier Police Shuhada Fund.

In response to Indian Army Chief’ statement he also put across the message that the protection and solidarity of the country are our main objectives as our coming generation owes this debt to us and resolved that any threat to the sovereignty and integrity of the country would not be tolerated. The General made it clear that Pak Army has the capability and the capacity to fight the war against terrorists and adversary too. He praised the sacrifices rendered by the security forces and high morale of the troops. Lt General Masood Aslam, Commander 11 Corps, IGFC Major General Tariq and IGP NWFP Malik Neveed Khan were also present at this historic moment.

Pakistan Army Chief visits of western border reflect his commitment to root out the foreign sponsored militancy from the area. This rooting out is directly helping global war on terror, whereas on the other hand his counter part (Indian Chief) keep on yelling and dreaming of striking Pakistan. He probably has forgotten that Pakistan is a responsible nuke power and capable to defend and strike. In 2001 and 2008 at the occasions of attacks on parliament and Mumbai, both the nations close to a nuke war, this was averted by interference from the world community India and USA. At that time too security officials have also told NATO and USA that they will not leave a single troop on the western border incase of Indian threat.

Pakistan is facing a serious economic crisis and terrorist attacks present most serious threat to the country`s internal security. The political and military leadership knows that it is not an ideal situation for them to go for war, but they would not be having any choice to defend the country if threatened by India. Moreover they would be justified in moving her forces from her western to Eastern front. USA, if serious in elimination of global militancy then she has to ask India to resolve regional issues with the neighbouring countries instead of trying to hijack the war against terror. American think tanks should also review the remarks of Indian Army Chief Gen Deepak Kapoor in the light of India’s offensive nuclear doctrine. The doctrine of a fake nuke power (Indian) reflect the hazardous and aggressiveness of nuclear theory and prediction of third World War.

In the wage of above debate, the world community and USA should ask India to stop fanning terrorism. USA should review the nuke deal with a fake nuclear power prior of signing NPT and CTBT. Foreign Office Spokesman Abdul Basit also quite right in saying that India’s dangerous and offensive nuclear doctrine is serious hazard to global peace. It is true that also that India has long been working on the so-called ‘Cold Start’ strategy and preparing for a limited war. Thus, Pakistan has to pay more attention on her Eastern front under the prevailing adverse security environment and Indian General Kapoor’s threat to her.
http://www.paktribune.com/news/index.shtml?221877
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This article is a gem.
I would love to frame this article and do a namaskar to it everytime I go to Pakistan in the morning. :rotfl:

Ashish raval you should add a spill alert warning before this. :D
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Gropper Proposes Merkel Disposes from The Dawn
Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani had extensive talks with the German leaders including its president, chancellor, president of the German Parliament and chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee here in the German capital and impressed upon the need to remove all restrictions on supplies for Pakistan’s defence requirements.

The German chancellor expressed her inability in the wake of the restrictions imposed by the successive administrations. She was sympathetic to Pakistan’s request in this regard.
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Malayappan wrote:Gropper Proposes Merkel Disposes from The Dawn
The German chancellor expressed her inability in the wake of the restrictions imposed by the successive administrations. She was sympathetic to Pakistan’s request in this regard.
So no Submarines for Paki Fishing fleet.
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Has the Heckler and Koch production grind to a halt in the absence of spare parts from Germany? What'll happen to the U-212 deal?

This sounds like Groper Geelani's visit at the behest of the Pak Fauj Jernails to secure some ghoos for procuring german defence goods, and it seems that Angela Merkel is not playing coy.
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The shrill madam holds forth:
Absurd demands and accusations

She starts off with chiding massa.
SHIREEN M MAZARI
Once again the cacophony of demands from the US and its allies on Pakistan has reached a crescendo. The US is getting increasingly frustrated at its glaring failure in Afghanistan. Undoubtedly, the shadow of Vietnam must be looming larger over Washington - with demands for more troops from the military command on the ground in Afghanistan accompanied by a growing weariness with the war inside the US itself; and a confusion in the minds of the Obama Administration as to what needs to be done to turn the tide and bring "the boys" home victorious. The ignominy of Vietnam is still writ large on the US psyche as is that last hasty departure of imperialism from that country - atop the rooftop of the US embassy in Saigon.
then some good old salesman tactics to sell bakistan's sacrifices (I refuse to use the word saleswoman hain ji)
never mind that Pakistan has destroyed its own polity with thousands displaced and countless innocent citizens killed before drone attacks, suicide attacks and other forms of terrorism, for this US war; and never mind that the Pakistan Army has moved its forces from the eastern front, despite an increasingly belligerent India, to fight its own people in FATA. All these are lost before the frustration of a superpower which has failed to study history let alone learn lessons from it.
Some humor thrown in for free: :rotfl:
Probably there is also anger at the far better performance of the Pakistan military in its operations despite deliberate hindrances from NATO and the US forces.
OK Now quit laughing, this is serious stuff: :evil:
So, for all these reasons, plus the nuclear and Islamic identity of Pakistan, we are always the popular whipping boy of the US when it needs to cover its own failures. That is why Obama is issuing threats to Pakistan while holding out carrots that are unattractive when weighed against the costs to be incurred in getting to the dangling carrots! Now Obama has lumped US failure to get Osama at Pakistan's door - which is as ridiculous as anything the Bush Administration had claimed. Even more absurd is the threat that US forces will move into action if Pakistan can't deliver on Al-Qaeda
Finally the piece'd resistance that everyone's talking about:
To make matters even more akin to a black comedy, we have had little Britain's Gordon Brown suddenly taking the Blair mantle of faithfully echoing what the US says, and accusing Pakistan of being responsible for British and, presumably, NATO/US failures to catch the top Al-Qaeda leadership! All sorts of reasoning are being advanced for this allegation.
So why don't massa and company actually do this hain ji?
Given the growing absurdities of the US and its allies in this region, especially in relation to the unending demands being made on Pakistan, with no reciprocity, it is time for Pakistan to do a major rethink of its whole cooperation with these powers. Renegotiate the cooperation with the US on Afghanistan, including terms for transit access to NATO supplies; demand an immediate end to the Indian presence in Afghanistan alongside the border areas with Pakistan and a clamping down of their covert activities from Afghan soil targeting Pakistan; throw out all the private military contractors, be they DynaCorp or Blackwater or any other; make the US access in Pakistan more transparent; get Parliament to approve all agreements with external powers relating to military and security cooperation.
A whole article mentioning the evil yindoos only once, hain ji? Not to despair, the cunning yindoos have come up with something that the bakis didn't think of themselves, well not to worry, bakistan can always say what its been saying for sixty years, " :(( ME TOO! :(( " , thus justifying the title of the article, "Absurd demands and Accusations"
Finally, just as the Indians have begun demanding, we need to also demand recognition of our nuclear weapons status through membership of the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) as a nuclear weapon power. Some of us have been suggesting this be done through a special annexure to the Treaty, and for which there is a precedence. After laying our country's very existence on the line for the USA's misguided War on Terror, the time has come for Pakistan to demand rather than to continue giving in to US interests.
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Gagan wrote:The shrill madam holds forth:
Ombaba's FakAp speech is causing much self righteous and indignant takleef among Paki journos, and bloggers.

None of them though, is able to properly answer my simple question (of unscientific random sampling) "What is wrong about his strategy ?" answers range from

"Oh sending more soldiers to a war ravaged country !!"
"It is simply a wrong strategy" (oh yeah ? "what is wrong" was the question)
"It will further fuel insurgency"
"Leave afghanistan to the afghans"

After applying BENIS honed piskology, I have concluded that all these answers are confused blatherings of people under shock when they realized that the "Business as usual" of supporting Islamic Militias is no longer sustainable. 18 months is all that Ombaba has in A'stan, that means no blank checks to P'stan or ambiguities as to whether P'stan is cooperating or not. The Pakis understand this and are at a shock about the stunning reversal (Paki-US bhai-bhai and lets fund, train and use the Mujahideen as an instrument of state policy).

They dont know what to do next, what their identity is or what the future holds.
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38 years ago on this day the 1971 India Pakistan war started officially

I would like to send my warmestgreetings to my Baaakistani birathers

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/1971/Dec03/index.html
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It is pretty evident from this article that the pakis are getting desperate and just need a teeny weeny itsy bitsy bit of an excuse to withdraw their troops from the west to the east! Because the grip on their ball$ are getting tighter and tighter.

However, I hope there is a chanakian angle to the following announcement by Shri. Chidambaram: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
I fully support this announcement although covertly we should have the highest possible intelligence gathering in J&K region to prevent any adventurisms by the whackos in the west.
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Dawn reports that Clinton too wants more:
Pakistan must ‘do more’ against all militants: Hillary
Washington will press Islamabad to ‘do more’ against all the militant groups threatening Pakistan, its neighbours and the United States, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said on Wednesday.
....
The unity of support that the people of Pakistan are showing for this effort is profoundly significant, but, as we have said, it is not enough,
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Ok friends, here is a request to all you genteel folks here. I have a friend who runs a small hospital in the Caribbean region. Recently, he posted adds for a couple of positions for doctors that he hoped to hire in his expansion plan. One of the applicant has a medical degree from Rawalpindi Medical College. Is this a legit medical college? If it is legit, is it a college dominated by Pakjabis? Or the Military elites exclusively for their litters?
Input greatly appreciated.
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OK, I'm likely missing something here, would appreciate some gyan about it.

Shouldn't TSp be happy about the 2011 withdrawal date? Doesn't ISI and its jihadist spawn now only have to bide time till 2011? After all, wasn't it the Taliban who famously said (via their spokesgandu)
The Americans have the watches. But we have the time.
So all this upset-display is only for show, IMHO. What'll another 30k more troops be able to do, really? As for Obama's threatening TSP re its use of insurgent proxies, big deal - smells more like platitudes to mollify Yindia and some domestic liberalistic constituencies. I don't see how TSP can give up its jihadist assets when they're the only game in town nowadays. OK, thats enough doubting and pessimism, would love to know if there's any real silver lining for Dilli in this case.
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Hari.... things will be very clear in 1 - 2 months... if we see escalation of war in Paki territory then there is a silver lining... but i doubt US will leave Af totally on its own fate and I doubt if Taliban can come to power ever in Af.

The deadline indicated in the speech is more for Karzai..to get his act together and show results. the decision to leave Af will be decided more by 'conditions on the ground'.

why does not US open recruitment of retd IA soldiers??
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Hari

Maybe it is the eternal optimist in me, but here goes.

Ombaba's 2 selling points were the Bush mismanagement of economy and overcommitment to war efforts without clear cut strategy. The dems got control of both houses and the presidency using these two selling points. Ombaba will commit a political harakiri if this "troop surge" is just for show. Far more than just eyewash is at stake here.

Democracy is not going to bloom in 18 months nor is security situation going to improve substantially. IMHO the only way of withdrawing from A'stan with H&D intact is the capture/killing of OBL and one-eyed-MO. Expect a 400% increase in clandestine efforts in that direction. That means that all the support infrastructure is going to be bulldozed. KL is the first step for that (hard to believe KL was no coordinated with new FakAP strategy).
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pulling out date is for democrats at home. They are no longer supporting Af-pak war, so my understanding is 2011 date is for home audiance.

Uncle is staying in af-pak for a long time.
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Track-II forum floats idea of Siachen ‘peace park’

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amdavadi.... u r right ..pull out date is for democrats .. but it is as much for karzai as well ( i mean surely karzai does not want to dangling by the lamp post...?? ) ... i dont know if u watched the senate committee;s hearing on CNN yesterday ( Sen clinton, gates and gen jones i think were being grilled by Sen McCain and Sen Lieberman)..... it was very clear that karzai is as much in the crosshairs...
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ShauryaT wrote:Dil Maange More! Source: Pragati
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Pak maintaining ties with militants as a hedge:Gates

Washington, Dec 3 (PTI) Despite taking strong military action against militants in recent months, the Pakistani establishment has maintained relationship with those extremist groups as a hedge, US Defence Secretary Robert Gates has said.

"The Pakistanis' relationship with these groups dates back to when I was dealing with them more than 20 years ago when we were taking on the Soviet Union in Afghanistan. These relationships between the Pakistanis and these groups were established then as the vehicle for taking on the Soviets," Gates said.
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They dont know what to do next, what their identity is or what the future holds.

Very simple. Find an excuse to start conflict with India [attack on Mumbai was the first attempt] and move all troops from the West to East and leave the Americans in a lurch.
Pak fear the Americans [increase of troops] might just find Bin Laden and his gangs and expose the Paks.
Pak are very desperate to disengage from this theater of war-it could leave them without money[USA hand out] and also without any Taliban, to be used against India! :oops:
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Thank you GoI...
PCB lost $47.22 million due to scrapping of India series
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/spor ... 295431.cms
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Lalmohan wrote:how then will admiral sahib be able to enjoy benefits of being near centre of power?
There's a high probability that the attack was targetted at the admiral. It could be an inside job. It may be safer for him to K'rachi.

Two naval officials killed in Islamabad suicide hit
Some intelligence officials surmised that Naval Chief Admiral Nauman Bashir, who had returned to the federal capital after performing Hajj almost at the same time when the terrorist struck, was the real target of the suicide bomber.
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Porkis are on board

US envoy says all in Pakistan on board
‘Oh! come on, that’s a ridiculous suggestion...’ was what her expression clearly stated, but what US ambassador Anne Patterson actually said, responding to a query, was that she felt rather “surprised” by some statements flowing out of the presidency and the prime minister’s office, suggesting neither had been taken into confidence during the preparation of the new regional strategy announced by President Obama.
“Only a few days back Gen McChrystal had a six-hour session with Gen Kayani as well wherein he explained a lot of things in exhaustive detail,” she added.
That's a long GUBO session (with five minute breaks every hour)?
....while other key officials of the US embassy also enjoyed the typical American breakfast of hash browns, scrambled eggs and sausages (Halal of course)
Of course.
Elaborating on these interactive parlays she insisted serious and exhaustive discussions had been held between Pakistani and American leadership during the strategy review process and that both sides “shared similar goals”.
Yes, the strategy review process went something like this: Zardari to US President: "Sir, we are sinking". US President to Zardari: "Yessir, we will help you sink". Therefore, similarity of views.
When asked about the feared destabilising effects of new troop deployment in the border areas of Afghan Helmand province in particular, Brig Nagata, claimed a couple of Pakistani generals had even been given a helicopter ride over possible new troop deployment areas to show that it did not pose the much-touted threat. The brigadier’s assertion was also a tacit implication of the US administration having shared the contours of the new strategy, Pakistani government’s denials notwithstanding, in fair detail with the Pakistani civil and military leadership.
To paraphrase what she said, Pakistan’s nuclear assets were as safe as those of the United States and that Obama had only talked of al-Qaeda’s intent to get its hands on weapons of mass destruction.
Now I am worried. :eek:
She added, however, that she had herself viewed highly credible intelligence that claimed that a cell within the al-Qaeda was trying to get hold of chemical, biological and nuclear weapons of mass destruction.
Ambassador Patterson stuck to her guns, (no pun intended) insisting there was unquestionable intelligence about the presence of top al-Qaeda leadership in Pakistan.
And, the inevitable questions that plague most porkies these days (in addition to "where the next meal is coming from"):
On the matter of Indian involvement in fomenting trouble in Balochistan, she said so far the Pakistani government had not shared any specific evidence in this regards with the US and went on to state that if any credible evidence were to be shared then the US would definitely take action, without elaborating what that action could be.
Ambassador Paterson termed Blackwater presence claim “utter nonsense”. She said the firm DynCorp was only being used as maintenance service providers in Quetta and elsewhere.
All in all, a productive session.
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Meanwhile, the greatest armchair general the porkies have ever produced comes up with quotable quotes such as:

Quitting Afghanistan is not an option: Musharraf
Armies can only win sometimes
:rotfl:
At the end of the day, it is civilians, not soldiers, who have to take charge of their country
Quitting is not an option
We must eliminate al-Qaeda, dominate the Taliban militarily, and establish a representative, legitimate government in Afghanistan
The exit strategy from Afghanistan must not and cannot be time related
Operationally, we must raise substantially more forces from within the tribal groups and equip them with more tanks and guns.
:eek:
We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight.....
No, Wait! That's by another armchair general.

Now, where's my fee?
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Track II diplomacy , whos are these and why do thay give statements out of turn Should not Raj thakare be informed :P
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Not every day [1st for me] that 1 comes across a pakistani who questions its Army & it taking refuge of Islam for its continued dominance in pakistan

unimpressive writing & post formatting notwithstanding, this blog maintained by a pakistani, said this
General Kiyani’s bhaashan – Islam and Pakistan
sain MQM-PPP-ANP ne aik new “phuljari” chori hai recently ki . . . change the name of Pakistan from Islamic Republic of Pakistan to Peoples Republic of Pakistan. . . . . . KIYANI saheb jo ministry of interior ke under just aik officer hain (BY LAW) wo forun “ACTIVE” hogai hain . . .. . . . . .
6000 ki salary wale sipahiun ko (jo pehle hee interior pubjab/sindh/NWFP se full throttle madrassa/taliban ho ke aatey hain injection de raha hai “jihad” ka . .
or wo josh mei aaker aik naara lagaingey . . . . . . newspaper wale aik lash pic (like the one below) nikal ker post kerdaingey . . . awaam bi khush ki bara “mujahid” HEAD OF ARMY mila hai . . . retire ho ker ye bi “safeer” (Ambassador) bun ker USA UK LONDON ghumeyga or angarazun ke saath enjoy karega . . . koi ye nahi puchta ki abay kis ko chey bana rahey ho . . . itni mohabbat hai ISLAM se toh ARMY ke budget se 10% cut kerke sarey madrasun ko UPGRADE karo taki gareeb bachey bi society mai PRODUCTIVE role play karain na ki Baitullah or Qari Zaman ke hathay char ker suicide jacket banain . . .
Magar ye aisa kuch nahi karega . . . . 9 BILLIOIN rupees ka naya GHQ bana rahi hai ARMY . . . koi puchta hee nahi ki abay awaam ghaas kha rahi hai tum logun ki ayyashian hee khatam nahi hoteen . . .
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P.S: am not very fond of pakistanis holding such thoughts. Give me the hamid-qureshi-mazari trio any day of the week & thrice on Sunday
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The Ministers of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan are no less paranoid than then their citizens :eek: :
Indian HC in Kabul turned into RAW headquarters: Gabol

Updated at: 1429 PST, Thursday, December 03, 2009

ISLAMABAD: Minister of State for Shipping Nabeel Gabol said Indian High Commission in Kabul has turned into RAW headquarters.

While commenting on India’s stance about involvement in Balochistan in an exclusive interview to Geo News, Gabol said the goal of Indian High Commission in Kabul is to target Pakistan and India is not only involved in Balochistan but it is also responsible for recent blasts in Peshawar and Pakistan has evidences of Indian involvement.

Minister of State said a three-star Indian General planned the blasts occurred in Peshawar last month and RAW agents used kidnapped Afghans for suicide attacks. Indian agents supplied weapons in a attack on Sri Lankan cricket team. Pakistan will inform India and international community about this. ………………..

Geo TV, Pakistan
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Imran Khan fears India might work to Balkanise the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

I certainly do hope that Imran Khan is proven right:
“We are being trapped in a quagmire as the government has conceded that there is an Indian hand in terrorist acts”.

“India could exploit the situation and work towards the balkanization of Pakistan particularly in the aftermath of the recently concluded joint strategy between Washington and Delhi,”

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There seems to be a typo in the minister's last name.
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Except that India doesn't have a high commission in Kabul. :rotfl:
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asprinzl's fault i ended up here :

Rawalapindi medical college student section :

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One keeps hearing about what it means to be a Pakistani on and off. Apparently, Pakistan is one of the 'most dangerous countries in the world'.
Ever suffered the indignity and embarrassment that comes from being blamed for someone else's mistake entirely? That is probably what millions of Muslims like me all over the world feel-- especially those who have their roots in Pakistan.
Despite the conditions here in our country, we still love it- and we always would love it more than any other place in the world. If we seek to study or work abroad, its not because we don't love our homeland. Its because everyone wants a quality of life or education that they might not find here. But true love is unconditional. :D
What is happening in NWFP and northern Areas isn't the fault of an average Pakistani. The average Pakistani is neither an extremist nor a terrorist. :eek:

It isn't the fault of people who wish to lead their lives peacefully and successfully, without the fear of an attack from US on the pretext of "combating terrorism" or that of a sudden bomb explosion which might render them and their loved ones lifeless. It is not the fault of the likes of me. we are like deers caught in the glaring headlights of a racing car (if that happens to be an expression at all!). it is the fault of the foreign forces invading our country :(( - there are people in the above- mentioned particular parts of Pakistan who have lost their own homelands and now are trying to destroy ours. there are forces and infiltrators from countries that seek to spread the sphere of the area of the world that they govern.These are the very forces that publicly condemn us.

They wouldn't stop at anything to achieve their end. They would support the very same Taliban growth to take over the USSR that they so openly degrade now. The Taliban are their very own creation. their creations plague the world and then they have the audacity to claim that Pakistani military and government aren't tackling the problem of terrorism very well. :((
Who, may I ask, asked the US to assume the role of a policeman charging around like a mad bull with a baton in his hand? What makes that particular country think that its government is any more capable than that of the UK, France, Ireland, China, India, Pakistan,Sri Lanka, Russia, Canada , or for that matter that of any country in the world?

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“CHAINS VS. NONE” by Qurratulain khan
1st year

Quote : Despite the fast- changing world and social orders, a fact remains as true as ever- our world is a male- dominated world.
No matter how many female traffic- controllers we might hire for the sake of pretence of gender equality, it cannot be denied that women are still horribly degraded in our country.
A 17th century term still applied in our society is home- correction whereby a man, being the head of the family, beats up the female members under his care under the excuse of morally correcting them. :shock:

A 17th century term still applied in our society is home- correction whereby a man, being the head of the family, beats up the female members under his care under the excuse of morally correcting them.
What has never made any sense to me is why the moral standards that a woman is expected to uphold are way higher than those that a man is required to maintain? Why can a guy flirt with a girl and not be chided for it (and just get excused because after all, ‘Boys will be boys!’) but a girl talking to a guy gets killed in the name of ‘honor’? How come men get to stare but women are asked to preserve their sanctity by wearing long and thick veils?
Is it because it is a well- established fact that men have no control over their actions and are by nature merely brainless, staring baboons? Or is it because we have never managed to lose our centuries old concept of the subservient status of women? What is it- honor or ego that doesn’t let men rest unless they exert tyrannical influence over a woman?

As much as I would like to justify the above-mentioned behavior using the former reason (;-)), it cannot be denied that it really is the latter cause that this whole scenario stems from.
On the other extreme, there is the concept of a liberal lifestyle. Whether you check out the music videos on MTV, our very own stage dramas, the plots of various Bollywood and Lollywood flicks or the internet, the Las Vegas casinos and all the bars- the first thing you are likely to notice is the role women play. The concept of feminism is being highly over- played. Women are just used as pretty toys to be played with and they are all dolled- up to play that role. Even the executive types of our country think that being dressed modestly is a sign of backwardness.

Flip through photos of high- end social gatherings. 98 percent of all female dresses are either sleeveless (n probably backless too, but that doesn’t show!) or nearly so (n yeah I am talking about those ½ inch long sleeves), 1.999 percent have those really short ones and there’s a 0.001 percent chance that you would see anyone wearing anything near a full sleeve that isn’t all slittted up to the shoulders. :shock:

I wouldn’t hesitate to bet that not even a quarter of our literate population is aware of who Condolezza Rice is and out of those who do know who she is, 95 percent don’t even take a speck of interest in what she says and does, but more than 80 percent are probably huge fans of Britney Spears and Paris Hilton and the like. Why this disparity? It seems as if when we are setting a standard for the independence of women to be judged against, it all comes down to who wears the minimum possible clothes. The more revealing your clothes are- the higher you rank on a scale of 1 to 10 on independence. Male artists don’t need to strip down to be famous but all the success of the female artists depends on what their sex appeal ratings are.
Degradation of women not only occurs when they are confined within four walls against their will but even more so when they used as objects of pleasure for men and nothing more.
Therefore, on one hand, women need to stand up for their rights and enjoy life; on the other, they need to play down their physical appeal and concentrate more on the intellect. Where some of them need a more independent lifestyle, the others need to control themselves and take a look at what they are doing to their own dignity and how they are making it difficult for other women to preserve theirs.
After all it isn’t always choosing between a veil and near- nudity. It doesn’t even come down to whether men and women have been created equal because even if they haven’t, they have been given equal rights. There is a moderate way that all religions preach, one that is the safest and the most progressive. One where women don’t have to give everything up, be it their modesty or their independence, its the path where women succeed on the basis of their intellect and talent not their meekness or physical appeal. Now it is up to you to decide which one to follow.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

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Op-Ed in NEws from TSP


LINK: http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=211297

Obama's Afghanistan mis-speech

Thursday, December 03, 2009
Mosharraf Zaidi

When Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton pulled the Al Qaeda card on Pakistanis during her visit to the Islamic Republic, many thought it was classic Clintonian rage unfettered. Last week, Prime Minister Gordon Brown first congratulated President Zardari on his country's successful jihad against terrorists and then hung up the phone and told the BBC that Pakistan needs to do more against Al Qaeda. That was chalked up immediately by followers of British politics to Brown's now legendary incompetence. Perhaps, he read the briefing notes all wrong, or forgot to take his medication, we all thought. After all, this is the man that has single-handedly brought the greatest era of Labour politics and its dominance in Britain to a pathetic end.

But of course, Secretary Clinton (being the Obama administration's sharp-toothed diplomatic supremo) and PM Brown (continuing Tony Blair's legacy of being the US government's poodle) were just setting up the ball for Obama to smash. Unlike what we've come to expect from President Obama, however, this was no smash. A less thunderous or less effective Obama speech is hard to conceive of.

If President Obama is the Muhammad Ali of political oratory, then his much-anticipated Afghan strategy speech was, at least to his admirers (even those from faraway places like Islamabad) as bitter as Ali's 1971 loss to Joe Frazier at Madison Square Garden. It was his first grand failure. In the past, Obama's oratory skills have helped him do the things he was looking to get done (Reverend Wright, Election Night, healthcare). His effectiveness is borne of the clarity he creates and the trust he engenders.

{So the writer is in denial that BO's empahsis is on AlQ in TSP! It isnt about oratory, but having an effective program in place to handle the threat. US commentators are still in shock and throwing non-sequitors for they are at a loss of words because the strategy has very good chance of success!}


At West Point on Tuesday, President Obama was least like himself than we've ever known him. He was guarded, defensive, and less than entirely convincing. The biggest reason for the speech's failure is that it deliberately skirted around the central issue that plagues the American war in Afghanistan.

{I thought he mentioned Pakistan numerous times in his speech about Afghanistan!}


If there is one overwhelming area of consensus among pundits that think about these things for a living, it is concerning where the epicenter of America's problem in Afghanistan lies. That place is Pakistan. More specifically, it is Pakistan's willingness and its ability to take on and defeat, decisively, those terrorists that would either themselves, or through proxies, seek to harm the United States.

President Obama's speech almost entirely ignored this aspect of his country's Afghanistan strategy. :roll: Where he didn't ignore it, he fudged the issues so grandly that his talking points were eerily similar to some of the most emphatically unrealistic analysis of what is going on in Pakistan these days. In the most distressing part of Obama's speech, he repeated the spurious link between extremism and the security problems in Pakistan, saying "…as innocents have been killed from Karachi to Islamabad, it has become clear that it is the Pakistani people who are the most endangered by extremism. Public opinion has turned. The Pakistani Army has waged an offensive in Swat and South Waziristan. And there is no doubt that the United States and Pakistan share a common enemy."

Pakistani public opinion is decidedly against extremist groups and extremism -- but even a cursory look at the data and the news would disabuse anyone of the notion that Pakistan and the United States face a common enemy.

For Pakistani decision makers (and cynics are welcome to insert all the acronyms here that they like, but the fact is that the military and politics of this country are ultimately inextricable) Pakistan's enemies are those terrorists that are killing Pakistanis. America's enemies are those that are killing Americans.

{No kidding Sherlock!}

It is true that Pakistanis are getting killed at the hands of FATA-based terrorists, and that Americans (soldiers) are getting killed at the hands of the same militants. That is about where the similarities end.

The FATA-based terrorists that attack Pakistan have been, and will continue to be, hunted down by the Pakistani military because it makes eminent political and strategic sense to do that. But the terrorists that operate in Afghanistan (from FATA), seeking to kill American soldiers in Afghanistan do not pose a threat to Pakistan. At least, that is what the calculus of Pakistani decision makers has been, and will continue to be for the foreseeable future. Pakistan might take action against them, off and on, but will do so purely as a secondary proxy for American military power. The Pakistani military, in that case, will represent a better investment for US power than either the US military or the mercenaries that it uses, where it can. But the motivation for such piecemeal action against terrorists targeting Afghanistan will always be material. That's not how wars are won.

The Kandahari Taliban represent an even more complex creature, and I deliberately categorise them separately from the FATA-based terrorists that are killing American soldiers. Many within the Kandahari Taliban are ready to embrace their Poppalzai brother in Kabul, and snub both the hardcore elements within their ranks, as well as the Dostum and Masood proxies that have had an uncontested run of Afghanistan's spoils since 2001-2002. Pragmatists in the Karzai camp, as well as among both US military and diplomatic circles, know that the end-game in Kabul will require accommodation with such Taliban.

{Yeah these are the good Taliban. And US has been talking about them for a long time while the Paki generals call them all Taliban}

President Obama could have tried to outline these broad strokes to his audience at West Point and around the world in his speech. Instead, he chose to continue a dangerous tradition of dealing with Pakistan clandestinely. This is a deeply fascinating choice of strategy. Constant efforts to buy, coerce or cajole Pakistan's military and political elite into doing things that they consider suicidal simply has not worked. Pakistan's government will take the money, but it will not deliver the product. {This time Gen Jones delivered a real threat unlike Al Colin Bin Powell!}

It did not work for eight years under the Bush and Mush tag team. It was never going to work with a PPP government whose strongest instrument is a dislocated former Islamist Pakistani intellectual who has as keen an understanding of Pakistani politics, as Sarah Palin does of Russian geography. :?: Now, with the PPP government buckling under the weight of its own broken promises, it seems Richard Holbrooke has convinced people that a hybrid diplomatic relationship, with six toes in the General Headquarters of the Pakistani military, and four in service of the president and prime minister -- whoever wins the skirmish -- is going to somehow yield success in getting Pakistan to take on the Taliban of Afghanistan.

{Not really. Its about putting socks on the six toes!}

This would not make for a very good suspense thriller. The ending is the same as the beginning. Pakistan will not abandon the Kandahari Taliban or any other proxies of Pakistani power that will be useful in Kabul. The regional imbalances that drive existential fears in Pakistan don't make Pakistan less committed to having influence in Kabul; they make Pakistan more committed to it.

Of course, Pakistan enjoys no moral authority whatsoever in Afghanistan. But it does enjoy being the only other country that Pakhtuns call home. {What a home that they want to fight the TSPA for it!} It does enjoy an extremely long border with Afghanistan. It does enjoy clandestine services that have 30 years of experience in cultivating and leveraging assets in Afghanistan that have a demonstrated record of strategic success. Ethnically, geopolitically and in terms of intelligence, Pakistan has an insurmountable advantage in Afghanistan.

{This statement takes all Afghans to be fools. Even the Taliban when in power did not accept the Durand line in TSP'favor!}

The seven-week victory of the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan in 2001 was an illusion that was aided by General Musharraf's sleight of hand, and the kind of firepower that America is unlikely to use again in the near future. As an alternative to the Kandahari Taliban, despite the presence of 100,000 US and NATO troops, billions of dollars and the support of 43 countries, the Northern Alliance has failed its sponsors.

Continued reliance on the Northern Alliance to provide good governance, on the US military and NATO to hold territory, and on Pakistan to take on the Kandahari Taliban are all delusions. President Obama's refusal to recognise the immobility of America's position in his speech is his greatest failure to date.

The writer advises governments, donors and NGOs on public policy. He can be reached through his website http://www.mosharrafzaidi.com
Reflects the confusion in RAPE at sudden turn of events. Zaidiji better pack that holdall and hotfoot it out of TSP.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

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TANGLED by qurratulain khan 1st year
Rant fail.
Reason: you don't blame India anywhere. Try again next time, hint: keywords are RAW, uncircumcised, Hindu.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

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archan wrote:
TANGLED by qurratulain khan 1st year
Rant fail.
:rotfl:
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

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If pakistan was to win the so called war on taliban and others, and exercise authority on its Tribal areas, then wouldn't Pakistan emerge stronger than it has ever been? exercising complete control over all its territory.
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AdityaM wrote: If pakistan was to win the so called war on taliban and others, and exercise authority on its Tribal areas, then wouldn't Pakistan emerge stronger than it has ever been? exercising complete control over all its territory.

Then it wouldnt be Pakistan na? The whole edifice of N-e-P and Jihad i sabfillah crashes down.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

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ramana wrote:Op-Ed in NEws from TSP
LINK: http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=211297
Obama's Afghanistan mis-speech

Thursday, December 03, 2009
Mosharraf Zaidi
The writer advises governments, donors and NGOs on public policy. He can be reached through his website http://www.mosharrafzaidi.com

Reflects the confusion in RAPE at sudden turn of events. Zaidiji better pack that holdall and hotfoot it out of TSP.


Its not funny any more , at least no confusion in his name . Mosharraf in BR speak and Zaidi /Zaida in Persian speak means Born of or Born by or As they say in North "Lahorized " without vasleen. Pakistani are literally true Mosharraf Zadeh.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

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That clarifies what the paki meant when he said (quoted in some post above) Jarnail Musharraf is the father of the nation. I feel like writing a poem on Musharraf Zadeh. :D
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

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Pakistan players cleared for IPL

The sports and foreign ministries had already given their clearance ... we were awaiting security clearance from the interior ministry, which we have got now," PCB media manager Nadeem Sarwar told Reuters. "We have been told we can issue NOCs to the players now."

http://www.cricinfo.com/ipl2010/content ... 37851.html
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