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I happened to see my spam folder and I saw an email from Barack Obama! The e-mail subject line was
"<my name>, I need your help"
and asked for my support and appealed to me to donate some money to help his choice of candidate in the election which is only 26 days away!

Now, even though I campaigned for him (that's how I am on that e-mail list :evil: - i guess) but I don't like the policy of his party's choice for senator and Governor in my state (IMO, One of the worst anti-sourcing impacting India and Ohio is in their platform) .. but still I decided to write back to him..

I told him (in my email) that I would not only donate 10x of the money he suggested, but even put up a yard sign sent by them if he explicitly rejects the opinion of his own assistant secry. Crowley and disciplines him for his pro terrorist comments (see link in Arun's message) ...

I look forward to donate that money to candidate(s) I might not have donated to...:) ! Will let you know if I get any response..:)
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You sure its not a Nigerian scam e-mail!

My decison is there is a need for more Repubs in Senate as they provide check and balance on the House hotheads and the Executive. The Senate already blocked the outsourcing bill.

In fairness the Admin is trying to waive SS tax collection for the new H1B visa holders as they are temps and dont get to collect SS in future. So it might be a fair trade-off for the increased visa fees.
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You sure its not a Nigerian scam e-mail!
Trust me it is not. (It is - forwarded by - from local democratic campaign site -- as you know many times big shots will have audio/video message of just a form email for the faithfuls)..

And I already have gotten some interesting comments/calls back from those who saw my reply! (My email was short, to the point :) )

BTW the person (democratic candidate) running for the congress is an Indian American - so I assume at least he (and/or his staff) must find it some what relevant.
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CRamS wrote:
Cosmo_R wrote:They've ruined their own lives and caused the death of a talented kid.
What about those in successive US govt including Obama & Co who have armed TSPA to the teeth and caused the deaths of some many 1000s of Indians?
What's the connection? These are Americans who have committed a crime in America and have to be brought to justice.
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Goodbye, Mr. Jones
And good riddance. Why Jim Jones was the worst national security advisor in decades.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... e_mr_jones
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How Bob Woodward drove the nail in Jim Jones's coffin

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts ... s_s_coffin
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"This Indian American guy is being accused of kinds of things, a bigot; they want him charged with hate crimes and locked up for good. My goodness, all this over a prank that went horribly wrong?"

Well said, it was a crude, tasteless student prank, that should be punished in some way. But the moral outrage is way out of proportion to the crime. Reports are coming in that this guy Dharun Ravi is liberal, and not a homophobe.

Lots of people who endure insults, humiliation et al, do not kill themselves. The ethnic Indian community in North America have experienced racism at different times- Canada in the 70's was particularly bad. Yet, you would be hard pressed to find a *single* incident of an ethnic Indian killing himself over a racial incident. The LGBT community could take lessons and inspiration from this.

(LGBT: Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgendered)
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CRamS wrote:
Cosmo_R wrote:They've ruined their own lives and caused the death of a talented kid.
What about those in successive US govt including Obama & Co who have armed TSPA to the teeth and caused the deaths of some many 1000s of Indians?
CRams ji , What you are saying is right but then for its follies USA itself is paying in blood.More than a thousand Americans have died in Afghanistan by the hands of the same Non Nato ally.

Another thing to be noted is that it is the lefties(beholden to LGBT crowd) who are going after Mr. Ravi with renewed vigor and who are aligned with the Democratic Party.And yet come elections most of the Indian origin Americans will again vote for the same party as they always have.They have been truly stockholmed.In fact you would hardly see any Indian origin American protesting the unjust treatment.So why should we care?
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There is no excuse for willful violation of a person on such a personal level. I hope the punishment is exemplary.
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"aligned with the Democratic Party"

Here, some assertiveness by ethnic Indians would be welcome. It is known that both Democratic and Republican administrations have propped up very anti-liberal, unenlightened regimes in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. In SA, that guy Tyler Clementi would be arrested and imprisoned and probably killed.
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How about supporting the Tea party to diversfy the support?
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ramana wrote:How about supporting the Tea party to diversfy the support?
Except that these folk include a large dose of bible thumpers who see Hinduism as a 'religion of darkness'.

The Indian docs are all Republicans, as are most of the Streeters. The college age are democrats mostly.

The democrats really need to show they take Indo-Americans as candidates more seriously. Why are Nikki Haley and Bobby Jindal both Republicans? Bill Clinton supported Maloney against Sajauni in NY's 14th district.
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How about supporting the Tea party to diversfy the support?
As India should find common ground to reach the so-called Atlanticist camp...A Russo-Polish struggle is no cause for shearing skin off our noses.
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ramana wrote:How about supporting the Tea party to diversfy the support?
I am sure there are some Indian Americans who are either wannabe whites or naive crack pots who show up at these tea party Nazi or republican rallies with "Indian Americans for tea party placards" and make a fool of themselves.

In general, as far as domestic issues go, I lean democrat without getting too caught up on dems Vs reps BS, if only because they are a bit more diverse (although of late, the mostly white Gays and Ls seem to have hijacked the diversity plank). But on foreign policy, both dems and reps are fiercly nationalistic, as they should be, and both support TSP to the hilt albeit along different trajectories, and both give a crap for TSP-sponsored terror against India. Its Pentago/CIA that rule the roost. So, on this count, I would go by the candidate irrespective of party affiliation.
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".. and both give a crap for TSP-sponsored terror against India. "

Once again, a little assertiveness from Indian spokesmen and supporters would be very pertinent and justified. The US is trying to strongarm India to reduce ties to Iran, despite the fact that Iran has not harmed India directly. Indians should strongly point out the breathtaking double standards of the US, where the US has given arms to Pakistan( there is barely any arms trade between India and Iran) knowing full well that Pakistan has supported terror against India.

It is astounding how the younger university crowd of Indian origin has not generally seen this anomaly.
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ramana wrote:How about supporting the Tea party to diversfy the support?
Sorry, not from me, at least, better things to do than to be fixated on birther type CT's :twisted: I live in a place which is predominantly republican, but even here there is very little support for Tea party. (Seriously, there is nothing positive I find there to support)
Cosmo_R wrote: The Indian docs are all Republicans, as are most of the Streeters. The college age are democrats mostly.
What is the basis of that? FWIW , from what I know form family and friends (about a dozen docs are there in the extended family nephew/nieces etc - bit more if I include close friends ) this is as far from truth as one gets :) (It is pretty much lopsided - not republicans- 2nd or 3rd generation (- those who have spent, say 40+ years in USA), as well as the first generation (first time voters) seem to be overwhelmingly democrats leaning - or at least, did not vote for McCain/Palin) ...From data I have seen (not extensive by any means) there is really not that much of difference between Indian Docs or Indian Engineers)

Conventional wisdom was Indians traditionally favored Democrats (thought to be less anti-Indians etc - Nixon and Co was not exactly liked etcv).. Things do change.. NYT article said in 2004 something like " Indian-Americans have contributed heavily to both Democrats and Republicans, they have tended to favor Republicans, giving hundreds of thousands of dollars to President Bush's campaign in 2000/2004" and both Indian and US media were talking about " .. The Indian community’s traditional and conservative values, ..its deeply religious inclinations and its relative affluence made it a logical GOP constituency... also Bush won!

This was not exactly true, IMO (that majority of them did not switch sides .. though GOP had much more Indian Americans than before .. Many Indian Americans remained apolitical - or voted based on the candidate ) ..Exit or some polls AFAIK in Bush/Gore was for (for Indian Americans according to some data) was something like 60-40 (in favor of Gore) while in 2004 was something like 74-26 (The data, admittedly not very reliable).. 2008 the poll was something like (81-19) among Indian Americans according to a poll published in Indian Express (?) around Nov election..
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^^^ BTW in 2008, just out of curiosity I sort of analyzed the campaign contributers list (which is public - and one can extract data based on different factors) for both GOP and DEM campaigns ..I counted:
1. Contributions in my city/ zipcode etc.
2. Contributions is some other places I was curious (my sons) - MIT (Boston)Zip code etc..
3. My old classmates, friends etc.. (was surprised to see quite a few donors there!)
4. Some last names eg 'Mehta', 'Shah' , 'patel' , etc..

The result was: money contributed to by Indians (small sample going by a few last names) in 2008 election was very lopsided (about 90-10%)..
(Of course, this was for presidential race .. for other races, it was more evenly distributed)
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A new league of democracies

India-US grand strategy should preserve secular pluralism -- and there are lessons to be learnt from Nehru's non-alignment

K Subrahmanyam

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/A-new ... ies/694285
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USIBC to host summit for Obama’s India visit
The Business and Entrepreneurship Summit in Mumbai on November 6, in partnership with the U.S. Department of Commerce and Confederation of Indian Industry, will highlight the benefits of export-led American growth being generated by India’s rising economy and new purchasing power, the new investment flowing from India reviving American businesses, and the innovation by young entrepreneurs utilizing U.S. know-how and technology, according to the USIBC.
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First an anecdote. I once asked his holiness Sri Sri Ravishankar the following question (whatever other issues people have him, let me assure you, he has an IQ of 150+ IMO): Why it is that if there is so much scientific wisdom in ancient Hindu scriptures as he claims, it only comes out after somebody else has discovered it :-). His answer was that nowadays, those who know Sanskrit do not know science, and those who know science do not know Sanskrit :-). Why am I reminded of this? In my interaction with Indian Americans, I have found that those who have the moolah and can get access to dem/rep heavyweights, usually have no clue on foreign policy, strategic objectives etc etc. All they want is a photo-op, or they are crass Hinduthvadis who can't be taken seriously. On the other hand, I have also come across including here on BR many Indian Americans who are articulate, can articulate India-US relations to, and can talk about TSP terror without coming across as an anti-Muslim bigot, but do not have the moolah to be taken seriously by dem/rep heavyweights who first & foremost look for big $$$$$$$s. Life is like that. You either have one or the other, but not both :-).
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Interview with Lisa Curtis (the Heritage Foundation - Served in Bush admin)
Kashmir issue — which Pakistan projects as a “core issue” — is a red-herring, and the Obama administration has overcome its initial “naiveté” on it.
From the interview among many other items:
Q: To secure greater leverage over Pakistan, will the US offer it concessions on Kashmir?
I don’t think so. The Kashmir issue is more a symptom of the larger problem between India and Pakistan; it’s not as if dealing with Kashmir will make these terrorist groups melt away. The aims of India-focussed groups like the Lashkar-e-Taiba are broader than Kashmir: they’re trying to wreak havoc throughout India and dent the country’s image as an emerging power. They use the situation in Kashmir to justify what they’re doing, but they’re not interested in Kashmir.

The idea that if the US intervenes in Kashmir, it would help focus Pakistan’s attention on dealing with militant groups is a misunderstanding. The focus should be on convincing Pakistan to crack down on these groups for the sake of its own stability. The non-state actors that Pakistan supported to destabilise India are now destabilising Pakistan. The sooner Pakistan accepts that reality, the better.

Q: Does the Obama administration realise that Kashmir is a red herring?
There’s increased understanding on this point. Initially there was some naiveté: a connection was mistakenly made that if the US could resolve Kashmir, the problems of South Asia would go away. That’s typical of new administrations: they come in with an idealistic view that the US can wave its magic wand and resolve problems.
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http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts ... ce_donilon
But what Donilon lacks is the sheer depth of knowledge and experience in actual foreign policy decisionmaking that Jones has. Before becoming NSA, Jones was commandant of the Marine Corps and commander of NATO. The closest Donilon ever got to making foreign policy decisions was running the staff of a secretary of state. Other than that, his jobs before entering the Obama administration have been mostly political.

"This guy is a process guy, fair and simple," one administration official told The Cable. "But here is what Donilon is not: a strategic thinker along the lines of a Kissinger or Brezinski. His ascent, similar to what Pete Rouse's promotion means, signifies that Obama is largely content with his foreign policy, both in style and output, and is not seeking to shift gears."
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Amber G.^^^
"The Kashmir issue is more a symptom of the larger problem between India and Pakistan; it’s not as if dealing with Kashmir will make these terrorist groups melt away. The aims of India-focussed groups like the Lashkar-e-Taiba are broader than Kashmir: they’re trying to wreak havoc throughout India and dent the country’s image as an emerging power. They use the situation in Kashmir to justify what they’re doing, but they’re not interested in Kashmir."

What NRI funding can do (alongside GE/LM/Boeing) to change the mindset—wot?

There's some serious rethink going on in Obamadom about how to get out of Af and refocusing on Pak. Interesting test of wills. Pakis have like 2 weeks of reserves to fund imports and they are playing hardball on the tankers. Question is whether WH has balls enough to call the Pakis bluff on negotiating with a gun to their own heads.

Could be wrong of course but the next 2 weeks determine Pakistan's fate.
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If Lisa Curtis can make that truism she had the sagacity and courage to point out stick, I say she deserves enormous Kudos. Those chutiyas like Uneven, Krapons etc must be shamed.

One thing I don't like about the question. What concessions can US offer TSP on Kashmir? Is the interviewer so confident that if US wants to, it can force India to do so?
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CRamS wrote:
One thing I don't like about the question. What concessions can US offer TSP on Kashmir? Is the interviewer so confident that if US wants to, it can force India to do so?
They like to show that they control the things on both sides. This is a fallacy.
This perception that they can give something in subcontinent is another kind of myth.

Unkil is here to do large scale social engineering and they have been discussing this for a long time - 20 years.
They think they have the cultural knowledge or the control over how things will work out in the future in the sub continent.
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There is this scenario that has been playing out in the back of my head lately since obama offered tax benefits for companies avoiding outsourcing. I am looking at this issue as a playing card for obama.

First question: Do outsourcing jobs form a significant employment tertiary and secondary sectors??
If yes then for what in return will obama play this card in india. Will it be mmrca, c-17s or n-deal???
This puts mms in a lose-lose situation. If he agrees to say n-deal in return for jobs, opposition will be up in arms against him 'bowing down'.
If he disagrees then a lot of educated people will be out of jobs and hence again mms & co. will be blamed for it. This brings me to my second question.
How can we effectively deal with this situation without compromising national interests??

I am sorry if this has been discussed before, I havent had time to follow this thread thoroughly lately.
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Tax benefits cannot change the economics of outsourcing.
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Amber G. wrote:
ramana wrote:How about supporting the Tea party to diversfy the support?
Sorry, not from me, at least, better things to do than to be fixated on birther type CT's :twisted: I live in a place which is predominantly republican, but even here there is very little support for Tea party. (Seriously, there is nothing positive I find there to support)
Cosmo_R wrote: The Indian docs are all Republicans, as are most of the Streeters. The college age are democrats mostly.
What is the basis of that? FWIW , from what I know form family and friends (about a dozen docs are there in the extended family nephew/nieces etc - bit more if I include close friends ) this is as far from truth as one gets :) (It is pretty much lopsided - not republicans- 2nd or 3rd generation (- those who have spent, say 40+ years in USA), as well as the first generation (first time voters) seem to be overwhelmingly democrats leaning - or at least, did not vote for McCain/Palin) ...From data I have seen (not extensive by any means) there is really not that much of difference between Indian Docs or Indian Engineers)
"Indian doctors vote Republican in Michigan"
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/indian-docto ... 627-2.html

There was a report that I am trying to locate which put this in national terms during the 2004 presidential election. I'll look for it.
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Houston ISKCON temple idols yet to be traced
Devotees are anguished that two idols from the oldest temple in Houston, Texas, founded in 1969, were stolen on October 6 and there is no clue about the perpetrators even after three days.
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http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archiv ... es_abroad/
Can it be that American military bases abroad, usually thought of as "stabilizers" in tough neighborhoods, are really the primary cause of radical terrorism against the US and its allies? That is what Robert Pape and James K. Feldman compellingly argue in their new book released this week titled Cutting the Fuse: The Explosion of Global Suicide Terrorism and How to Stop It.

...Pape and his co-author Feldman have broken down every recorded suicide terrorist incident since 1980 and noted an eruption of such incidents since 2004. From 1980-2003, there were 350 suicide attacks in the world, only 15% of which were anti-American.

In the short five-year period since, from 2004-2009, there have been 1,833 suicide attacks, 92% of which were anti-American.

Pape argues that the key factor in determining spikes of suicide terrorism is not the prevalence or profile of radical Islamic clerics or mental sickness but rather the garrisoning of foreign troops, most often US troops or its allies, in these respective countries.

Pape and Feldman show for example that even in war-torn, beleaguered Afghanistan, suicide attacks surged from just a handful a year to more than 100 per year in early 2006 when US and military deployments began to extend to the Pashtun southern and eastern regions of the country beginning in late 2005. Pakistan also deployed forces against Pashtun sections of western Pakistan, which Pape and Feldman note also saw large spikes in suicide attacks.

Pape is not a pacifist and is not calling on the US government and Pentagon to appease dictators and terror masters, but he is making an argument that a new, better strategy is needed. He and his co-author make a compelling case - much like Donald Rumsfeld once pondered in his famous memo on terrorism - that we are creating much of our own problem and animating and feeding fuel to the enemy of America's and its allies' interests.
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with experts like that no wonder US is on fast track to down hill.

The attacks increase because there are more targets. US bases provide more opportunities abroad. If they weren't there the attacks come to homeland. iow US bases abroad draw the attackers there.

Suicide attacks are more like guided weapons with human in loop to ensure higher chance of success.
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James Jones never made it to President Obama's inner circle

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1010/43340.html
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Vashishtha wrote:There is this scenario that has been playing out in the back of my head lately since obama offered tax benefits for companies avoiding outsourcing. I am looking at this issue as a playing card for obama.
Outsourcing is simply not a card to play against us. It is a card that Obama can play domestically and corporations will be more than happy to counter it. So, India should suggest Obama to keep the card where it currently is and let sun shine does not fall on it.

Further, we should point out the significant revenues generated in India by US MNCs (and future potential as we continue to grow close to double digit) and it would serve Obama to not put them in jeopardy especially in current fragile economic situation in the US. That should take care of it.
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A keen observer of US-India relations writes:

"Based on several conversations in the last two weeks in Washington, it’s obvious that teams of dedicated government officials are working very, very hard in advance of President Obama’s trip to India to make it a success. Much effort is being expended to break down interagency barriers on previously trenchant issues. One expects positive developments could be seen in areas such as export control and the Entities List."

"As the search for big ideas continues, one of the focus areas for the future of security dialog is likely going to be security of the ’Global Commons’. India and the US can and must work together as large democracies to set norms for behavior in the Commons."

"In the context of ’big ideas’, IDSA recently released a paper by USAF Lt. Col. Peter Garretson, who was visiting on a Council on Foreign Relations fellowship. The paper suggests solar satellites as a joint project between the US and India as a possible vehicle to take the partnership to the next level. "


"This is the type of big idea that both bureaucracies and political decision-makers could get their arms around as being ’unique’. In the initial phases, the study of the applicability of such technology to Indian and American needs, as well as its export potential, would not be prohibitive and on the Indian side could interest entities like BHEL and ISRO."

Peter A. Garretson was a Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) International Fellow in India, and a Visiting Fellow at the Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses (IDSA) New Delhi. He is an active duty Air Force officer on sabbatical as an Air Force Fellow. He was previously the Chief of Future Science and Technology Exploration for Headquarters Air Force, Directorate of Strategic Plans and Programs, and is a former DARPA Service Chiefs’ Intern, and former Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL) Service Academy Research Associate. He is a published author on Space Grand Strategy, and is a recipient of the National Space Society’s (NSS) Space Pioneer Award.

His paper is titled,

"Sky’s is no limit: Space-based Solar Power, the next
major step in the Indo-US Strategic Partnership".

The paper "provides a policymaker’s overview of a highly scalable, revolutionary, renewable energy technology, Space-Based Solar Power (SBSP), and evaluates its utility within the context of the Indo-US strategic partnership. After providing an overview of the concept and its significance to the compelling problems of sustainable growth, economic development, energy security and climate change, it evaluates the utility of the concept in the context of respective Indian and US political context and energy-climate trajectories. The paper concludes that a bilateral initiative to develop Space-Based Solar Power is highly consistent with the objectives of the Indo-US strategic partnership, and ultimately recommends an actionable three-tiered programme to realize its potential."




SKY’S NO LIMIT:
SPACE-BASED SOLAR POWER,
THE NEXT MAJOR STEP IN THE
INDO-US STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP?


Peter A. Garretson


http://www.idsa.in/sites/default/files/ ... oLimit.pdf
I would also like to thank those who wrote letters on my behalf
both to CFR and to the Indian Government that ensured such outstanding
reception and access, as well as provided key personal and career advice.
My first thank you is to Ambassadors Jim and Lauren Moriarty, and LTC
Larry and Jackie Smith for providing so many useful leads and
introductions, and to the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) for hosting
two well-timed networking events. In particular, I owe a debt of gratitude
to Dr. Ashley Tellis, Dr. Sumit Ganguly, Mr. Joe McDade, Ms. Mitzi
Wertheim, Mr. John Mankins, Mr. Joe Burris, Mr. Matt Simmons, and to
Mr. Joseph D. Rouge, SES, Director National Security Space Office
(NSSO), Gen Mark F. Ramsay, Director, Air Force Strategic Planning,
Deputy Chief of Staff for Strategic Plans and Programs, Headquarters
U.S. Air Force, Dr. Ken Watman, SES, then Deputy Air Force Strategic
Planning, and Lt. Gen. Paul J. Selva, Assistant to the Chairman of the
Joint Chiefs of Staff, and Mr. A. Volkman, Director, International
Cooperation, OSD/AT&L for writing on my behalf.
And the support
of the latter would also not have been possible without the pro-active
intercession of Col Steve Hiss, Lt Col Brad Kinneer, and Col Steve Rust.
The support of my fellow caballeros also made this possible. Without
Col Mike “Green Hornet” Hornitschek, I would not even have known
about the CFR program. Without Lt Col Paul Damphousse’s help, I
would not have had critical meetings with Mr. Rouge or with Dr. Saraswat,
and he has continued the good SBSP advocacy in the US, even as Col
“Coyote” Smith takes it to Europe. I also want to thank all my colleagues
at IDSA, especially my cluster, for the education and stimulation they
provided, particularly Dr. Namrata Goswami, Zakir Hussain, Faizan S.
M. Ahmed who spent so much time educating me about the greater
context of India.


Thanks also those who participated in my Fellows Presentation on
23 October 2009, particularly my Chair, Air Commodore (Ret) Jasjit
Singh, and my discussants, Dr. V. Siddhartha and Colonel Subodh Kumar.
I am also grateful to the wonderful military and defense minds at
IDSA who engaged me in their thinking, including Dr. Thomas Mathew,
Dr. G. Balachandran (accurately described as a “minefield of knowledge”),
Col DPK Pillay, Col Raj Shukla, Col Harinder Singh, Col Ali Ahmed,
Capt Alok Bansal, Col Gautam, Wg Cdr Ajey Lele, and particularly Wg
Cdr Venkatashmy Krishnappa, one of the finest strategic minds and most
insightful thinkers I have come across in my entire career.


I must also mention the wonderful support of my family, Darlene,
Marcus, Madeleine, and Alyssa that accepted a short notice and stressful
move to a distant land, immediately following the Mumbai 26/11 terrorist
attacks with less than certain information, and endured my lack of presence
in their lives for significant periods of time, and to my parents, Peter and
Jerri, that provided such wonderful support from back home.
Of course, I owe a particular inspirational thanks to Dr. APJ Abdul
Kalam, former President of India for his vision for a Global Space
2050, as well as that of Dr. Vikram Sarabhai, founder of the Indian
space programme for his vision of space serving society, and the particular
visions of Dr. Gerald K. O’Neill and Dr. Peter Glaser upon whom the
Industrial vision for space is founded.
But a very special, and unique thanks goes to Air
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Cosmo_R wrote: Sorry, not from me, at least, better things to do than to be fixated on birther type CT's :twisted: I live in a place which is predominantly republican, but even here there is very little support for Tea party. (Seriously, there is nothing positive I find there to support)
Cosmo_R wrote: The Indian docs are all Republicans, as are most of the Streeters. The college age are democrats mostly.
What is the basis of that? FWIW , from what I know form family and friends (about a dozen docs are there in the extended family nephew/nieces etc - bit more if I include close friends ) this is as far from truth as one gets :) (It is pretty much lopsided - not republicans- 2nd or 3rd generation (- those who have spent, say 40+ years in USA), as well as the first generation (first time voters) seem to be overwhelmingly democrats leaning - or at least, did not vote for McCain/Palin) ...From data I have seen (not extensive by any means) there is really not that much of difference between Indian Docs or Indian Engineers)
"Indian doctors vote Republican in Michigan"
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/indian-docto ... 627-2.html

There was a report that I am trying to locate which put this in national terms during the 2004 presidential election. I'll look for it.
The Republicans come off as racists, hate filled EJs and that is a turn off for many non-white minorities and in 2008 these people simply stayed away from the Republicans. This doesn't mean the Democrats are any better, they just don't let on to it. In 2000 & 2004, GWB was able break the Democrats hold on the non-white, but not African-American, minorities. Indian-Americans are generally professionals and in an household it is not uncommon to see the husband & wife as both professionals with an annual income over $250K per year. They have the most to loose with a Democratic control on the executive and legislative branch as the overall tax burden has increased on these people. The only reason Indian-Americans would vote for the Democrats is because of the fear stated in the first sentence. The big litmus test on the behavior of the Democrats toward Indian-Americans comes from two things: One, the flow of professionals from India and two, the IUSCNA. So far, the Democrats have proposed/passed legislation to hurt Indian IT companies. When the IUSCNA basically dismantled Carter's NSG to the meaningless institution it is designed solely for the purpose of economically hurting India. All sorts of Democrats, including Obama, tried to kill it in the US Senate. Ironically, the macaca senator, George Allen (R), voted for the agreement.

All else being same, if Indian-Americans see their economic interests and lively-hood hurt by a particular party, they will vote for the other.
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If Ron Paul is not in the running for the 2012 presidency, I'm not voting either D/R.

The surest way to not affect change is to keep voting the same D/R combo back into power. In the end both are controlled by the same crooks from the banking areana.
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All generalizations are general including this one. The Tea Party is having a big rally in bay Area and in interests of knowledge need to hear them out. At a minimum thye will bring in check and balance on the Repubs too.

The Tea Party's first aim is the country club Repubs who use the mango people's support and cut deals with the Financial types who any way get deals from Dems.
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ramana sir ji..

See you at Tea party rally. :mrgreen: :rotfl:

In my town. I see lot of tea party people hanging out at major intersection.
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ramana wrote:All generalizations are general including this one. The Tea Party is having a big rally in bay Area and in interests of knowledge need to hear them out. At a minimum thye will bring in check and balance on the Repubs too.

The Tea Party's first aim is the country club Repubs who use the mango people's support and cut deals with the Financial types who any way get deals from Dems.
BossGaru, you are too much of an intellectual to take these tea party Nazis seriously. I hope you have not fallen for the US media. Fareed Bhai is doing his duty on GPS slicing and dicing with his pompous guests, comparing tea party Nazis with founding fathers and revolutionaries bla bla. If one were to slice and dice Hitler also, one will find something truthful he said. I am sure Hitler also said that sun rises in the east and roses smell good. Somewaht like Uneven hair-splitting TSPA to cast it in good light.

The tea part Nazis are nothing but a bunch of bigoted demagouges who are mighty energized seeing a black guy as presdient who they believe is a Muslim. Thats all there is to it.

What I don't understand from this so called "free press" is why is they cannot come around to calling tea party for what it is, and in benign terms it is just a white Christian nationalist party. A phrase they would use with gay abandon when talking about BJP for example.
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