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Najam Sethi in The News on the relationship of the military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan with the US:
The military cannot forever hunt with America and run with an anti-American Pakistani public they have helped to create. They cannot instruct the DG-ISPR in Islamabad to convey the impression of tough talking in Langley while asking the GOC 7 Division in Waziristan to give a realistic brief to the media about the critical benefits of drone strikes amidst all the “myths and rumours” of their negativity. This double-dealing confuses the public, annoys a strategic partner, and discredits the military all round when it is exposed.
The duality or contradiction in the military’s private and public position vis a vis its relationship with civilians in Pakistan and its relationship with America is a direct consequence of two inter-related factors: First, the military’s threat perception of India’s rising military capability, and second, its fear of losing control over India-centred national security policy to the civilians who are keen to start the process of building permanent peace in the region, thereby diluting the military’s pre-eminent role in Pakistan’s polity.
The military’s policy of renting itself out to America for its own sake and also complaining about it at the same time for the sake of the Pakistani public is clearly bankrupt.
Read it all :

‘The Pakistan ultimatum’
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shiv wrote:Interesting that she starts off this Urdu interview in Pakistan all flirty-wirty and giggly. I didn't watch further so I can't comment on the content. The interviewer also has a slurp gori mil gayee smirk. (slurp got a white wimmens)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th8fQEIIlik
She thinks becoz of her Urdu knowledge and research, she knows the Paki thought process and their grassroots thinking yet being an TFTA from Khan, she is a "cut above these natives" whereas in reality what the Pakis are doing is playing her like a stringed harp and at the same time diverse Paki TV hosts are dreaming about getting into her jammies (she aint no looker but then after decades of exposure to Shrileen and that "yeh lota hai" lady they will grab anything).
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Najam Sethi tries to explain Balochistan to the Pakistanis as plainly as possible:

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq9Xggs0uD8
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuD_eipSoI8
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O78-VIRiziw

He has to do some == otherwise the abdulls won't understand things.
But the video set is a must watch.
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Raja Bose

I completely agree with you. I actually felt sorry for her. She is one of those secular western liberals even casting republicans as Christian Taliban. Intellectual stuff like that will find sincere resonace with New Delhi elites who will share in the camaradarie by responding with Saffron Taliban, but Pakijabis will be laughing their asses off to the bank with her as their spokesperson.
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shiv wrote: Interesting that she starts off this Urdu interview in Pakistan all flirty-wirty and giggly. I didn't watch further so I can't comment on the content. The interviewer also has a slurp gori mil gayee smirk. (slurp got a white wimmens)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th8fQEIIlik
A weird ball dance of mating where both satisfy each other's ego.
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Dunno if this has been posted earlier...
pakistan sucks!! listen to the cheer of laughter when he says that :D
[youtube]s2cZLs_8lLs&feature=related[/youtube]
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Gagan wrote:Looks like Imran is co-ordinating with the Pak Fauj on this one. Imran is surely making the right kind of noises these days.

Zardari won't win the next election, Nawaz might not yet be allowed to contest, or lets say, that the PPP government has to go suddenly one fine day, and Nawaz is not allowed to step in / reluctant to step into the mess.

History shows that the 'leader' in Pakistan who closely coordinates with the Pak fauj gets wins a landslide in the elections.

Will Imran Khan become the next PM of Pakistan?
Gagan, you are absolutely on the dot regarding the collusion between the PA and Imran Khan. He is being propped up by the PA as an alternative to both Zardari/Bilawal and Nawaz Sharif. There was a time when the PA was unhappy with him and spread a slanderous campaign against him as they did recently against Zardari. But, they seem to have decided he is the best evil available to them tactically.
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Another Fair or unfair: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BgEd2AlsHU
Shows some value in knowing Urdu.
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OK since we are discussing Christine Fair, this is a set of videos within a few days of the Mumbai Attacks.

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbJ-G8TmprA
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3ysqhqD4gk
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BgEd2AlsHU

Shiv saar, in part 1 she says that the Jewish hostages in Chabad House were Raped by the terrorists.
Her analysis seems to be on the dot I would say.
And she does a downhill ski on her earlier statement about this being NOT Al Qaida or LET.
And the saffron-string-on-the-hands theory of the pakistanis is discussed and dismissed.
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Shaikh Isam Amira call from Aqsa to the muslims in pakistan

i really do not know when this videos was made, but the hizbu tahrir is in play right out here.
i really think any americans out here should see this video!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-QstPpL ... ture=share
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abhishek_sharma wrote:‘I hope to normalise ties with Pakistan': PM

http://www.hindu.com/2011/04/17/stories ... 971300.htm
Sigh, doesn't this man have other issues to take care of in Desh than trying to repeatedly make love with a whore who has been giving jhappads and sending her ugly cousins over to his house to create mayhem?
Wont repeatedly thrusting himself on her( despite she not wanting it) constitute rape/stalking?
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Pakistan: Defenders of Karachi (25 mins) [S] 7.30PM Friday 15 Apr 2011 Channel 4

In 2010, more civilians were killed in political, ethnic and criminal violence in Karachi than in terrorist attacks across the whole of Pakistan. More Series 2011 Episode 4 Pakistan: Defenders of Karachi
Contains images of bloody injuries

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/unre ... od#3180510

Apologies if already posted. I have no comment!
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Pakistan keen on short ODI-series against India
“Our first priority is to convince the Indians to come to Pakistan for the short series but if that is not working out we have not ruled out the option of neutral venues,” he said.

Subhan said security situation in Pakistan remained a major issue even for the PCB.

“We know that foreign teams are not willing to visit Pakistan and we can expect reservations from the Indians as well. But for that we will soon start work on a comprehensive security plan with the guidance and approval of the government to convince the Indians,” he said.

“We will formalise the comprehensive security plan also in consultation with the International Cricket Council task force on Pakistan and their security experts. The idea is to prepare an airtight security plan that should satisfy not only the Indian Board and players but also other foreign teams,” Subhan added.
Pakistan takes us for duffers after our PM decided all was well to re-start the India-Pakistan sporting ties.
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^^ no mention of "fool proof"? :((
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X Posted from the Oppression of Minorities in Pakistan thread.

In the Islamic Republic of Pakistan a Mohammadden mob works itself up into a frenzy on the Muslim Sabbath of Friday and tries to burn down Christian homes while he Police react by taking the Christian’s in custody :roll: .

Truly there is no justice for Non-Mohamadden “Dhimmi’s” in the worlds first “IEDological Muslim State” the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

False blasphemy charges: Gojra-like carnage narrowly averted in Gujranwala
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shiv wrote::D
Folks here is an experiment I am doing. It's not much of a scientific experiment but more of a pisko experiment to try and draw the maximum number of unsuspecting Pakis to view this video. We talk so much about social engineering. Here is some social engineering of my own. And yo Paklurks - the intent is open and public - no secret.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5cglEoy0go
My pisko experiment has backfired - showing Paki influence on YouTube.

Here is a love letter to me from YouTube
The following video(s) from your account have been disabled for violation of the YouTube Community Guidelines:
Pakistan army heroism 1965 - (cybersurg)
Your account has received one Community Guidelines warning strike, which will expire in six months. Additional violations may result in the temporary disabling of your ability to post content to YouTube and/or the termination of your account.
Sincerely,

The YouTube Team
The content of the video was not violent or vulgar and contained scenes of Pasthuns protesting Pakistani bombing of their homes and footage of a PAF bomb, Baluchi freedom demonstration and an interview of Lalchix who decribed how they picked up the dead bodies of their schoolmates killed by the Pakistan army.

Some funny business is going on - but that video is definitely going to reappear mysteriously.
Hey Paklurks - I am announcing it here. That video is going to reappear. Get it banned again.
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Pakistan protests ill treatment of Pakistanis in Saudi Arabia
The Foreign Ministry has been directed to summon Saudi Arabia’s ambassador to Pakistan to record strong protest over injustice {Wow !} with Pakistanis in the KSA, particularly the three people who were sentenced to death, despite the fact that they had paid diyat of Rs 4 million to the victim’s family.

Senate Standing Committee on Interior Chairman Senator Muhammad Talha Mahmood issued these directions while chairing a meeting at the Parliament House on Saturday. The committee asked the Foreign Ministry to ask Saudi ambassador not to take any action against the three Pakistanis until the provision of authentic documents of diyat and other agreements. He said that the Saudi government always mistreated Pakistanis. He termed the severe torture of the three Pakistanis facing a death sentence as “injustice”. The committee also directed the Foreign Ministry to provide every sort of assistance to Pakistani prisoners in Saudi Arabia. A sub-committee was formed and the Foreign Ministry directed it to provide a daily progress report to it.

Senator Abdul Razik Khan informed the committee the three Pakistani prisoners were in Saudi jail for the last several years. They were being charged for murder but the actual reason was some clashes with local Saudi people. They wanted to behead the innocent Pakistani workers. Initially, they sentenced for 12 years, then increased it to 14 years and now the Saudi Court handed them death sentence. These Pakistanis were severely tortured and according to Saudi rules, they might be beheaded. The relatives of these three prisoners already paid diyat to the victim’s family. After torturing, the Saudi police forced them to sign some legal papers, not giving them a chance to appeal.
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^^ The kind of treatment their many "founding fathers" imagined that the Hindus will give them in India?
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Gagan wrote:Najam Sethi tries to explain Balochistan to the Pakistanis as plainly as possible:

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq9Xggs0uD8
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuD_eipSoI8
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O78-VIRiziw

He has to do some == otherwise the abdulls won't understand things.
But the video set is a must watch.
How does the channel reach across to the mango abdul in Pakistan (remove the normal, karachi, islamabad type areas) ?
How many abduls have access to TV ?
How many abduls have access to 24/7 electricity to watch TV ?
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The idea is to prepare an airtight security plan that should satisfy not only the Indian Board and players but also other foreign teams
I hope the security won't be so air tight as to create a vaccum blast. :roll:
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India should follow a foreign policy with its pillars on the following points:

(1) Open and tacit support to the liberals of Pakistan, whose views could match with the larger Indian society. Help liberal / secular / socialist institutions in Pakistan - the present liberal class is a class of scotch sipping, armchair revolutionary aristrocrat and intellecuals; This could be a force to reckon with if they build organisational strength and offensive capabilities. India could fissures in the arrangement between the civilian ruled and military ruled institutions of Pakistan.

(2) Build a broad based support in the Mojahir community. Many mojahirs are facing persecution and rivalries from other ethnic groups in Pakistan. If India could build leverage on the Indian influence on the Mojahir identity, they could tone down Pakistani militancy to an extent.

(3) Support the cause of Balochistan. Build stronger ties with Iran - trade, technology and defence. India should also develop itself as a nation that reflects the opinions and ideas of the sophisticated Shia clergy who run the Iran government (the US constantly does the mistake of equating them to the bomb-your-neighbourhood clerics in arab countries and pakistan). India could also extend support to persecuted Shias of Gilgit & Baltistan.

These internal tensions, combined with economic hardships would make the Pakistani state crumble. India should cash-in on this and move into Lahore, kashmir, Gilgit & Baltistan and take control of the Karakoram highway.
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Well they haven't promised "Presidential Level" security like they promised the Sri Lankans.

One can see that the PCB is nervous too. They don't know what the ISI and the Jihadis are thinking.

Asgkhan ji,
I don't know how much TV penetrantion is in Pakistan, and that too Cable/satellite TV. But I would assume that it will be low.

But Najam Sethi does reach out to people who have some sanity of thought process I am sure. As it is there are very few personalities out there who talk some sense and are not overtly the mouth pieces of the Agencies.
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CRamS wrote:Posting my comments here as they are more TSP-related in response to this post in the J&K thread.

Good article for the most part by VS, but from India's POV, he is indulging in some wishful thinking.

As for the US govt itself (and of course those of its western lackeys), yes, view of TSP has changed. They do know at its core, TSP is a terrorist country and lives up to its name as us on BR have given it, but as of yet (recall what Fair bimbo told Arnab), I don't see the US curtailing its indirect sponsorship of terror against India through military aid to TSP. US takes a long-term view of things, and I am 400% convinced onlee having lived in US and watched its elites, that they harbour a deep-rooted contempt and hatred for Hinduism, Yoga popularity and all that not withstanding. So US will continue to contain India using TSP terror as a cheap tool. Of course, if TSP itself collapses, then all bets are off.

As for the western liberal views. Condescending twits that they are for the most part, in their minds India TSP equal equal onlee. "South Asians" onlee. And in this they are aided by WKKs like MMS and like-minded RNIs.
I have seen you making this claim many times on this thread without ever supporting it by any evidence. Unless you provide some evidence there is no substance to your claim.

US has its share of religious fanatics but to say all Americans hate Hinduism is a gross generalization and also betrays a lack of understanding of America.
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Gagan wrote:Najam Sethi tries to explain Balochistan to the Pakistanis as plainly as possible:

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq9Xggs0uD8
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuD_eipSoI8
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O78-VIRiziw

He has to do some == otherwise the abdulls won't understand things.
But the video set is a must watch.
In part 2, @7:50, Najam Sethi talks about Balochis doing to Pakjabis, what the friendly neighborhood Pakjabis did to their Hindu/Sikh neighbors!
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Dipanker wrote:
CRamS wrote:Posting my comments here as they are more TSP-related in response to this post in the J&K thread.

Good article for the most part by VS, but from India's POV, he is indulging in some wishful thinking.

As for the US govt itself (and of course those of its western lackeys), yes, view of TSP has changed. They do know at its core, TSP is a terrorist country and lives up to its name as us on BR have given it, but as of yet (recall what Fair bimbo told Arnab), I don't see the US curtailing its indirect sponsorship of terror against India through military aid to TSP. US takes a long-term view of things, and I am 400% convinced onlee having lived in US and watched its elites, that they harbour a deep-rooted contempt and hatred for Hinduism, Yoga popularity and all that not withstanding. So US will continue to contain India using TSP terror as a cheap tool. Of course, if TSP itself collapses, then all bets are off.

As for the western liberal views. Condescending twits that they are for the most part, in their minds India TSP equal equal onlee. "South Asians" onlee. And in this they are aided by WKKs like MMS and like-minded RNIs.
I have seen you making this claim many times on this thread without ever supporting it by any evidence. Unless you provide some evidence there is no substance to your claim.

US has its share of religious fanatics but to say all Americans hate Hinduism is a gross generalization and also betrays a lack of understanding of America.
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AshokB wrote:India should follow a foreign policy with its pillars on the following points:

(1) Open and tacit support to the liberals of Pakistan, whose views could match with the larger Indian society. Help liberal / secular / socialist institutions in Pakistan - the present liberal class is a class of scotch sipping, armchair revolutionary aristrocrat and intellecuals; This could be a force to reckon with if they build organisational strength and offensive capabilities. India could fissures in the arrangement between the civilian ruled and military ruled institutions of Pakistan.
When you find such liberals, please let us know. :D
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AshokB wrote:India should follow a foreign policy with its pillars on the following points:

(1) Open and tacit support to the liberals of Pakistan, whose views could match with the larger Indian society. Help liberal / secular / socialist institutions in Pakistan - the present liberal class is a class of scotch sipping, armchair revolutionary aristrocrat and intellecuals; This could be a force to reckon with if they build organisational strength and offensive capabilities. India could fissures in the arrangement between the civilian ruled and military ruled institutions of Pakistan.
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I believe you harbor a delusional picture of Pakistani liberals - a picture that they present and want to portray. I also believe that you have forgotten or you are unaware of how these same Pakistani liberals kept mum and kept sipping their whiskies when Hindus and Sikhs were hounded out of Pakistan for decades and are only now protesting when their asses are on fire.

Your idea is horrifying to me.
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If I succeed in normalising ties with Pak, it'll be a good job: PM
Having taken up a commitment to normalise relations with Pakistan, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Saturday said that if he succeeds in this endeavour, it will be a job well done.

"Well, if I can succeed in normalising relations between India and Pakistan as they should prevail between two normal states, I will consider my job well done," Singh told accompanying journalists while returning from a two-nation tour of China and Kazakhstan.

Responding to a question on spelling out five things he would like to achieve in relationship with Pakistan, Singh quipped "I think five is too much..."
This man will get a noble prize for sure...if his character is spotlessly plain and clean...he belongs to Treta Yug for his la la visions
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shiv wrote: -1

I believe you harbor a delusional picture of Pakistani liberals - a picture that they present and want to portray. I also believe that you have forgotten or you are unaware of how these same Pakistani liberals kept mum and kept sipping their whiskies when Hindus and Sikhs were hounded out of Pakistan for decades and are only now protesting when their asses are on fire.

Your idea is horrifying to me.
When conventional war is no longer an option, and when a large section of society pictures India as the root of all evil, its best to select a class that's not as anti-India as these classes, and slowly build in them an aspiration to transform their country into a country like India. India would be a natural ideological model for them to replicate - less of the devil, and more of the star they want to be..
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MMS is dreaming about retiring in la-whore, sooner the batter.
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AshokB,
The answer you seek is within the lines that you've written.
Yes, a large and VERY VOCAL section of pakistani society pictures India as the evil reincarnate. Besides this section includes the people who've run that country for most of its existence - The Pakistani Army (and its intel agencies).
The moderates, and the enlightened are a hopeless minority at present, they are cowed down, and they dare not stand up against the vocal majority. Besides these moderates have a consistent history of baiting India, joining in the fun when India was being attacked by terrorists.

The more India succeeds, the more it will be a model that nations will aspire to be. I look at nations beyond poor old Pakistan. India's soft power will do that for the country, thank you. But there is no need for the government to cultivate anyone, other than to do its job to build up our own country.

Hope that answers your question.
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amdavadi wrote:MMS is dreaming about retiring in la-whore, sooner the batter.
Are (former) PMs allowed to settle in foreign country?
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Muslims drive away few remaining Hindus in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan
Islamabad : The previous year was a bad one for Pakistan's minority communities including Muslims of various sects, Sikhs and Hindus due to threat to their lives by militants, according to a new report which suggested even worse times ahead.
The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan's report said 418 Muslims of various sects were killed in terror attacks and about 25 per cent of Sikh families in the Orakzai tribal area were forced to leave their homes due to threats from Taliban.

It said 500 Hindu families from Balochistan province migrated to India due to threats to their lives and security.

The "State of Human Rights in 2010" report, which detailed attacks on the minorities, said: "All indications suggest that there are even worse times ahead."

The report said 418 people were killed in violence against different minority Muslim sects while suicide attacks on Muslims injured 628 people, including Shias.

Sikhs living in Pakistan's northwestern areas for centuries had to face trying times after the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan asked them to pay 'jiziya' (a religious tax) or leave the area.

Around 25 of the 102 Sikh families living in Orakzai Agency were forced to flee their homes.

They were able to return after the military carried out an operation against the militants.

A total of 500 Hindu families from Balochistan in southwest Pakistan migrated to India because of threats to their lives and security, the report said.

According to Balochistan's director of the Federal Human Rights Ministry, at least 27 Hindu families from the province had sought asylum in India because of threats, It added.

The minority Ahmedi sect, which was declared non-Muslim through a constitutional amendment in 1974, lost 99 members to faith-based violence, the report said.

The report further said 64 people were charged under the controversial blasphemy law in 2010 and many of them were imprisoned.

A Muslim and two Christian men accused of blasphemy were killed in police custody, it said.

Highlighting the abuses of the rights of minority communities, the report said there had been few positive developments with regard to freedom of thought, conscience and religion.

"Extremist views grew more vociferous as voices for basic human rights and tolerance became more isolated in face of violence and intimidation," the report noted....
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AshokB wrote: When conventional war is no longer an option, and when a large section of society pictures India as the root of all evil, its best to select a class that's not as anti-India as these classes, and slowly build in them an aspiration to transform their country into a country like India. India would be a natural ideological model for them to replicate - less of the devil, and more of the star they want to be..
Pakistani liberals are bigoted frauds who have used the appearance of moderation to provide cover for Pakistan's extreme hatred of India particularly Hindus. They are also losing power and influence now. Backing them is an error. I see no fundamental change in their attitudes. Tthey are all worthy of being discarded and if they are wajib ul cattle so be it.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Mar. 29, 2

Post by shiv »

Request help from BRFites

Folks - I put up a video on YouTube about Pakistani army excesses and genocide in Pakistan. It has been taken offline with a warning. Completely unfairly - clearly it is causing takleef to some Pakis. Good. I am requesting people who have "disposable" YouTube ids where you have no intention of uploading any videos to email me on bennedose AT hotmail.com. I will email you a place where you can download that video and I ask you to upload it. Let that video appear on multiple YouTube ids with no publicity and let it go viral.

And you paklurks - if you email me - I will know
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Mar. 29, 2

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Dipanker wrote: I have seen you making this claim many times on this thread without ever supporting it by any evidence. Unless you provide some evidence there is no substance to your claim.

US has its share of religious fanatics but to say all Americans hate Hinduism is a gross generalization and also betrays a lack of understanding of America.
Jut observe, read, and reflect. The evidence of my claim is self evident :-). Plus you and I both know that Hinduism & Christianity worldviews are like night & day, oil & water; they are immiscible (just stating an obvious fact, not advocating a religious war or anything).

If you need a more pedantic treatment of my keen common sensical observations, please read Samuel Huntignton's clash of civilizations. Or read Robert Kaplan's views on the same subject. To get a glimpse of Huntington's contempt for Hinduism just consider what he had to say about India's rise: the world will have to put with self-righteous lectures on the superiority of the 'caste system'.

I won't say anything more on a Paki thread, just suffice to re-iterate that India's policy ought to be predicated on India US give & take, strengths & weaknesses, hardcore real-politick; not VS style wishful thinking that just because US has finally realized that TSP is the 2-bit terrorist entity that it is, that somehow translates into a closer India US embrace.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Mar. 29, 2

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amdavadi wrote:MMS is dreaming about retiring in la-whore, sooner the batter.
More likely some suburb of Washington DC as a "South Asia" expert with some Paki RAPE.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Mar. 29, 2

Post by GuruPrabhu »

What course of action do folks here prefer? So far, as far as I can tell, GOI has followed only two courses:

A. Talk

B. Not talk

It is not as if either A or B has some well thought out follow-up scenarios that have been worked out and put into action. IMO, both are equally useless options and major time-pass chai-biskoot for experts.

I get the impression that folks here prefer B. So, may I ask what are the perceived gains and benefits from following plan B, and how can India achieve its objectives (whatever they are)?
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Mar. 29, 2

Post by Raja Bose »

Interesting find...remember the fella in the front, raising his weapon in the funny SSG goose stepping parade:

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It turns out he was Lt.Col. Haroon Islam who met his 72 during the Lal Masjid operation.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Mar. 29, 2

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GuruPrabhu wrote: I get the impression that folks here prefer B. So, may I ask what are the perceived gains and benefits from following plan B, and how can India achieve its objectives (whatever they are)?
A sensible policy would a thrid option

Not Talk till terror list of 20+ addressed

This NOT Talk should be followed by ready to take punitive measures should TSP escalate. Greatness does not come with pussyfooting. Tough decisions are needed.
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