Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 2011

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 24 Aug 2011 14:17

26/11 case against ISI may harm U.S.-Pak ties: Attorney

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 24 Aug 2011 16:35

Mahendra wrote:Does this Ansar Bunny chap means corruption is okay till IED?

And, forever after that as long as it suits the pakis' belief in the book. There are numerous instances of bribery (giving and taking) in the book.

subodh · Post by **subodh** » 24 Aug 2011 16:46

A_Gupta

Thank you very much for the summary, I could not catch a lot of it, this is very helpful. My favorite bit - ""24. Army man accuses TTP of taking Indian money. TTP asks - are you sick. On being pressed, TTP says, it is your foreign minister who goes to India. You gave Bangladesh, Kashmir to them, took defeat in Kargil, surrendered 90,000 to them, you are slaves of India."" Such delightful stuff, i wish them a lot more of the same..

Dr Shiv

As always, succint analysis. To quote you - "The best solution would be to keep on fighting other kafirs "outside". That is why the Pakis are so desperate to find external enemies. Only external enemies will lead to temporary internal peace by causing a temporary unification of kalima reciters.." Given this, and i agree completely with you, do you think India gamed its response well in the recent years? Not responding despite ever higher provocation, while effectively letting this filth stew in its own juices? Focussing on growth, thereby destroying the cost equation for the secular gazhis to keep up with the Indian Armed Forces. And now looks like the US may be the next reciepient of the 'external enemy who unites all the gazhis' title.

Singha

I grew up coddled in a lower middle class marathi area of mumbai (vile parle east) in the 70s, and then parlayed myself out, eventually to masaaland for the last 20 years, with the interim time spent in nice parts of delhi. I missed seeing this stuff. But i am hoping, b'lore or anywhere else, this remains an exception, and within ghettos, and not an accepted practice across the board (among IMs i mean), like it seems in pakistan.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 24 Aug 2011 18:12

See what is happening in our neigh-burr-hood. Trivia:

Cigarette break

A British-Pakistani woman was arrested in Rawalpindi after assaulting airport security agents who tried to stop her from taking 89 cartons of cigarettes on a flight to Manchester, England (Dawn). The woman, who holds a black belt in Karate, allegedly slapped one female officer and "pounced" on two others before being detained.

Recieved via email from AfPak Channel

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 24 Aug 2011 18:35

Pakistan needs an Anna

"a messiah akin to India’s social activist Anna Hazare appears to save the Pakistani nation from total disintegration"

The beggar nation needs an Anna to solve all their problems. Always asking for something. Here, pakis, have an anna:

On second thought, here, have four:

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 24 Aug 2011 18:48

^^^ anup bad idea they will immediately goto tallel fliend to buy a brand new shining bundaar to fulfill their gazwa fantasy.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 24 Aug 2011 18:53

anupmisra wrote:Pakistan needs an Anna

"a messiah akin to India’s social activist Anna Hazare appears to save the Pakistani nation from total disintegration"
The beggar nation needs an Anna to solve all their problems. Always asking for something. Here, pakis, have an anna:

On second thought, here, have four:

OT- but intresting the 1907 coin has -> Hindi, Bengali, Urdu and I am guessing Telugu on it. Wonder why these 4 languages were selected.

subodh · Post by **subodh** » 24 Aug 2011 18:55

Anup

'pakistan needs a new massiah'

Isnt Mr Hali blaspheming? isnt he wjib-cattle or whatever such people are called? I mean, today he is asking for a Massiah, tomorrow he will call this dirty hindoo Haz'ray or whatever, a Prophet!

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Aug 2011 19:16

A_Gupta wrote:
Purports to be a conversation between a Pakistani army person and a Taliban
http://www.archive.org/details/Mufti_733
2. TTP considers Pak. Army to be murtad (apostate) (because they kill Muslims, scorn the Sharia, and take aid from the kafirs against Muslims).

9. TTP says, it became apparent that Pakistan is kaffiriya country not Islamic country only after the jihad against the Soviet Union was over. We should have known since 1947.

16. Army man accuses TTP of fitna (causing conflict), and going against Allah. TTP says you had earthquake where lots of Army died and destruction of Nowshera army camp and elsewhere last year, we believe TTP's sacrifices are accepted by Allah. You are murtad and Allah will make you barbaad. We estimate you're 80% done, and when your Uncle America leaves your ruin will be complete.

21. Army man says why haven't you gone and fought in Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan? TTP says just as the Prophet did jihad first in Medina and later in Mecca after he gained strength, similarly Uzbeks, Turkmens will do. Eventually TTP will do jihad there. Like the Ansar of Medina, we welcome Uzbek, Turkmen mohajirs.

25. TTP reminds army man that at the time when Prophet predicted Ghazawa-e-Hind, Pakistan was part of Hindustan (i.e., TTP is fulfilling prophecy by jihad in Pakistan).

A_Gupta, thanks for a succinct summary. The transcript confirms my earlier post about 18 months back,

'Militancy' is too generic a term to describe what is going on in Pakistan. It is jihad, in all its glory, that is what is going on there. The day the 'militants' make the editors of DAWN, Daily Times etc. see the reality and use the word 'jihad' instead of 'militancy', we would know that Pakistan has keeled over. . . . The Fourth Jihad, an impure one, had to be fought against the state of Pakistan, after its CEO, Gen. Musharraf imposed bans on the jihadists on Jan. 12, 2002. This jihad is on-going. If the previous jihads are indications, the impure jihad was always bloody and always ended in a military victory for the more pious over the less pious. The events, so far since the 2002 announcement, confirm the ferocity of the impure jihad. It also has to end with the shrill voice of Allah-o-Akbar piercing the hearts and soul of the less pious. This means the Punjabi Taliban will eventually defeat the Pakistani Army.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 24 Aug 2011 19:18

Aditya_V wrote:OT- but intresting the 1907 coin has -> Hindi, Bengali, Urdu and I am guessing Telugu on it. Wonder why these 4 languages were selected.

presidencies ?

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 24 Aug 2011 19:25

Rahul M wrote:
Aditya_V wrote:OT- but intresting the 1907 coin has -> Hindi, Bengali, Urdu and I am guessing Telugu on it. Wonder why these 4 languages were selected.
presidencies ?

Taking to Nukkad

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 24 Aug 2011 19:45

subodh wrote:do you think India gamed its response well in the recent years? Not responding despite ever higher provocation, while effectively letting this filth stew in its own juices? Focussing on growth, thereby destroying the cost equation for the secular gazhis to keep up with the Indian Armed Forces. And now looks like the US may be the next reciepient of the 'external enemy who unites all the gazhis' title.

I think the powers that be in India have been quite clued up about Pakistan. They have access to sources that we could not dream of - apart from diplomats on the ground. I am certain that some decisions about hitting Pakistan or not hitting Pakistan must have been debated as hotly as we do here on BRF but then again India the nation has ways of hitting Pakistan that we do not get to hear about and can only speculate about.

Speaking of speculation do you recall the incident reported a few weeks ago when Indian soldiers were allegedly decapitated? I made a post after that hoping that we would soon hear news that the ceasefire has been broken by Pakistan. The point is that even if India breaks the cease fire the news we are going to read is that Pakistan broke it. We gnash our teeth at Pakistan's choothspah and are more likely to see our own responses as "weak" because our only information are the news outlets. It is odd that we believe the news outlets when it comes to such news but insist that news outlets are under the control of GoI or foreign agents in other threads where it suits us to say that.

And if you recall the ceasefire was "broken" a few days ago and at least 15-20 Pakis have suddenly been eliminated, and 60 kgs of RDX captured in one haul. The pious Muslim who killed 50 people in a Pakistani mosque was wearing 2-3 kgs of explosive - so 60kg is not to be sneezed at.

From the safe environs in front of our keyboards I think it is difficult to get a grip on just how desperate the Pakistanis are. One of the reasons we read about horrendous acts is because they are desperate people doing desperate things. And people become desperate only when things get really tough. When things are easy you don't get desperate. But when you are dealing with desperate people it will not be a cake-walk. There will be damage. There will be losses. Desperate people have little to lose. The act of forcing trained Paki young men across the LoC is because they are dangerous and unstable even in Pakistan and have to be fed and looked after. They are hardly a disciplined army and even a disciplined army has to be fed and housed. So they are pushed cross the border. Most get shot - a few escape and cause deaths. i wish it weren't so but it is our karma that gave birth to Pakistan.

Pakistan has such a large mass of angry young men that the only way they can be kept from targeting the Paki army and establishment is to find that external enemy. India is the eternal enemy - but now Afghanistan, the US and NATO are all in there. Welcome to the club

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anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 24 Aug 2011 20:14

Pakistan doesn’t want to be used by militants, says FM Khar
The right statement should have been: "Pakistan doesn’t want to be used by militants only".

Pakistan does not want to be used as a base for militant groups and needs the world’s understanding as it tries to handle its problems

Khar said after a two-day trip to Beijing

The tallel than the tallel fliends, deepel than....fliends can also use pa'astan. By the way, please note the carefully placed double lock of hair that teasingly strays across motorma' forehead onto her dupatta. All carefully choreographed for photo shoots. The Chini FM looks happy.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 24 Aug 2011 20:46

TTP slogan against PA (I read somewhere) "Amerika ka kutta sala - vardi wala, vardi wala"

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 24 Aug 2011 20:57

From The News(posting in full). TSP landlords commits tyranny against his Hindu Kafir employee.

Peasant illegally confined by landlord

Updated 16 minutes ago
HYDERABAD: A woman Shrimati Meeran has accused a landlord Muhammad khan of village Adam Khan Ahmadani, Taluka Jhudo, district Mirpur Khas of illegally confining her husband since July 27, 2011.

Addressing a press conference along with her lawyer Abdul Razak Dasti at local press club, Meeran said her husband Aandu went to the landlord and asked for payment of Rs.50, 000/-, the 3-year wages for working at his lands, but he never returned.

When Meeran herself went in search of husband, the landlord threw her out of village after severe beating by his men. Meeran, who has lodged petition in Sindh High Court on August 15 last for justice, appealed President, Prime Minister and Chief Minister for recovery of her husband as she feared landlord might kill him. (PPI)

Hiten · Post by **Hiten** » 24 Aug 2011 21:22

this guy tweeted, FWIW

Sparky event at Edinburgh book festival. Met a man during signing who had been at army staff college in Quetta in 1961. Told me...

http://twitter.com/#!/PatrickFrench2/st ... 6976236544

US special forces were training Pak soldiers in guerrilla warfare. Soldiers then given 6-month paid leave to cross Kashmir border.

http://twitter.com/#!/PatrickFrench2/st ... 6405206017

what could these incursions have been meant for in '61? recce for '65?

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 24 Aug 2011 21:23

Opinion piece from The News(posting in full). Talks about the coming economic crisis.

Brewing economic crisis

Dr Maleeha Lodhi
Wednesday, August 24, 2011
The writer is special adviser to the Jang Group/Geo and a former envoy to the US and the UK.

The greatest danger to the country’s stability today comes from a worsening economy. This danger has been further heightened by the far-reaching economic impact of Karachi’s descent into bloody mayhem.

The economic outlook has been steadily deteriorating. With policy paralysis setting in and no corrective actions or reform measures in sight, an economic breakdown might be unavoidable. Political leaders are already in campaign mode and prone to fiscal profligacy in distributing patronage to garner votes.

There are two views on Pakistan’s near term economic prospects. The official view is that the country will continue to coast along and face no serious economic peril as a number of advantageous factors are in play. They include a marked improvement in the current account of the balance of payments. Foreign exchange reserves have increased to $18 billion. This includes nearly $8 billion from an IMF standby loan. It also reflects unexpected export earnings of over $24 billion this year ($19 b last year) and an unprecedented rise in remittances of $11 billion, up from $8.9 billion in 2010. What are in fact windfall – and transient – factors have produced a sense of official complacency.

This has become the basis of the government’s calculation that it needs to do little or nothing as the economic situation will hold till elections – for the Senate as well as general elections, which may be called early if the ruling party secures a majority in the upper house. Thus a government that has shown little will to reform expects to muddle through into the polls and beyond.

In coming months this ‘favourable’ scenario based on windfall factors, providing comfort to the government, are all likely to reverse themselves. The large oil price bill will begin to exert pressure on the balance of payments. As will external debt repayments. The rise in exports has reflected a price, not a volume effect, and was a consequence of an increase in global commodity especially cotton prices. With cotton prices already coming down, the ‘extraordinary’ export performance may be short-lived. In its last quarterly report the State Bank sounded a warning on this count. July’s figures already indicate a declining trend. Imports meanwhile will continue to rise pointing to a widening of the trade deficit ahead.

As for remittances, the sudden rise appears to partly reflect export proceeds that are being channelled back as remittances to avoid taxes. Signs are that having reached a peak these will begin to come down. Even if they continue for sometime, remittances are not a durable way to manage the balance of payments deficit.

The higher oil import bill, levelling off in exports, accumulation of external debt obligations, as well as a build up of domestic demand pressures (reflecting rising prices due to excessive money creation) will all combine to deplete the country’s foreign exchange reserves. Real reserves are in any case less than the officially stated $18 billion as they include around $4 billion of the State Bank’s own deposits. Part of the remaining $14.7 billion is also borrowed money.

That is why the more compelling and realistic view of the economy is that a combination of factors including unaddressed structural problems and the external economic environment are contributing to a brewing crisis that can acquire dangerous proportions if strong policy actions are not taken now to avert that.

For the past year or so the economy has been on a downward trajectory. This is due mainly to the deteriorating fiscal position and the failure to achieve revenue and expenditure control targets as well as the continued financial haemorrhaging of public sector enterprises. Instead of fiscal consolidation the government has engaged in excessive borrowing from the State Bank and commercial banks.

This has inescapably fuelled higher inflation. This fiscal year’s trillion-rupee budget deficit will be financed by printing more currency notes and commercial bank borrowing in the absence of significant revenue mobilisation and spending restraint measures. This will push prices up further.

Several indicators point to an economy that is now like a runaway train hurtling towards derailment, with little to stop a train wreck given the ruling coalition’s priorities and lack of reform commitment. This risks pushing the economy into a crisis in 2012 as a result of one or both developments mentioned below. The increasingly likely global economic slowdown and associated recession in Pakistan’s major export markets will also have deleterious effects on an already fragile economy.

Indeed large and accumulated foreign debt payments combined with a larger oil import bill and a falling trend in exports and remittances can set into motion a declining trend in foreign exchange reserves. This can gather momentum within months leading to a foreign exchange crisis. If a direct reserves crisis is delayed for a set of reasons, the build up of inflationary pressures will lead to an increase in import demand, depreciation of the exchange rate and a depletion of reserves. The economy has little resilience to withstand such a challenge.

Meanwhile three consecutive years of low growth have left per capita incomes stagnant, aggravated poverty and worsened unemployment. This has generated widespread public discontent.

The slowdown in growth reflects many factors including falling public and private investment, inflationary pressures as well as the uncertainty produced by a worsening law and order situation. It also reflects production disruptions caused by crippling power outages and energy shortages. These disruptions will dampen growth further, hit exports and erode business confidence. Lack of resolution of the continuing circular debt problem in the energy sector will compound these issues and impose a mounting burden on the budget.

With no restructuring planned of the mostly insolvent state enterprises any one of them could collapse in coming months with serious consequences for the economy. Railways is already in a state of collapse with PIA not far behind.

Meanwhile an increasing oil import bill will coincide with the country’s repayment of a number of external debt obligations, starting with $1.2 billion to the IMF in February 2012. Also worrying is the accumulation of foreign debt service payments later in the year including another $1.1 billion to the Fund. Between 2012 and 2015 Pakistan has to repay all of the $7.9 billion borrowed from the IMF since 2008.

All these factors will feed into and exacerbate the other. It is their confluence that poses the danger of a financial crisis resembling that of 2008. This occurred when the twin deficits of the budget and external account soared to record levels, forcing Pakistan to turn to the IMF for emergency financing to avert a possible default.

Suspended since May 2010 the IMF programme will terminate in September 2011. Its absence has meant a decline in inflows, which combined with a reduction of net inflows from donors, including the US, has meant less than targeted ‘external resources’ presumed by budget-makers.

Once a drawdown of reserves begins the exchange rate will come under pressure and capital flight will accelerate. Speculative pressures will then speed up the erosion in reserves. Once this process starts it will acquire an uncontrollable momentum of its own and the country could head towards a situation of default.

In this scenario of looming crisis, the psychological factor could become a decisive game changer, leading to an evaporation of business and public confidence. This in turn could produce a further depreciation of the currency as people begin to convert rupees into dollars as a hedge and also take them out of the country. A run on the currency can have very debilitating consequences, and will be hard to reverse.

All of this is avoidable. But it requires a serious plan of policy reforms and strong political will. Neither is available today as election politics take precedence over other considerations including the country’s economic stability.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 24 Aug 2011 21:26

Hari Seldon wrote:TTP slogan against PA (I read somewhere) "Amerika ka kutta sala - vardi wala, vardi wala"

It was chanted by Bibi's party workers against Mushy and TSPA after she hit the sunroof lever.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 24 Aug 2011 21:43

Dilbu wrote:
Hari Seldon wrote:TTP slogan against PA (I read somewhere) "Amerika ka kutta sala - vardi wala, vardi wala"
It was chanted by Bibi's party workers against Mushy and TSPA after she hit the sunroof lever.

Yeh kaun saa hai Ghaaala Maala
Poaq ban gya Duniya ka Saala.
Peechy Musharraf, Dil ka Kaala
Kya Karoon, kamina mera bhi Saala.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 24 Aug 2011 21:45

BijuShet wrote:From The News(posting in full). TSP landlords commits tyranny against his Hindu Kafir employee.

Peasant illegally confined by landlord

"Peasant"?

Interesting piskology in the language used.

The news portal/editor sees itself as the upperclass who refer to the hoi polloi in the manner they deserve - Bloody peasants. Humph

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 24 Aug 2011 21:47

Patrick French, historian, site: http://www.theindiasite.com
tweeted thusly:

Sparky event at Edinburgh book festival. Met a man during signing who had been at army staff college in Quetta in 1961. Told me...

US special forces were training Pak soldiers in guerrilla warfare. Soldiers then given 6-month paid leave to cross Kashmir border.

Please read the context of earlier tweet about Kashmir. This was in 1961, not 2011. Source was a former World Bank employee.

Would be interested to hear more from historians who have studied US involvement in Pak. Witness certainly seemed credible.

1961. Source was a World Bank employee turned academic.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 24 Aug 2011 22:24

^^I'll try to make a transcript - but in Devanagari. Not very confident of being able to do it though. The effort would be worth it if we can establish the authencity of the source, as well as the context in which the recording was made. The metadata available on http://www.archive.org is:

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Another item by the same source ("Jund'Allah Studio"), this a video, I have only glanced at it.
Mujahideen of Mehmand Agenci beating the murtad of pak army
http://www.archive.org/details/Mujahide ... dOfPakArmy
http://www.archive.org/details/Mujahide ... akArmy.3gp

Its metadata is

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BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 24 Aug 2011 23:23

From Tribune(posting in full).

Restoration of military aid: United States offers quid pro quo

By Kamran Yousaf
Published: August 24, 2011

Prime Minister Gilani and US Senator Levin during a meeting at the PM House. PHOTO: PPI

ISLAMABAD: The United States has offered to restore $800 million in military aid to Pakistan if it reverses its decision of expelling US military trainers in the aftermath of the May 2 Abbottabad raid that had killed al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden.

The offer came from an influential US Democrat, Senator Carl Levin, at a meeting with Army chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani at the General Headquarters in Rawalpindi on Tuesday, a Pakistani official familiar with the development told The Express Tribune.

Leading a delegation of US congressmen, Senator Levin – who is the chairman of Senate’s Arms Services Committee – also held separate meetings with President Asif Zardari and Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani.

Speaking on condition of anonymity, the official said Gen Kayani refused to review the decision anytime soon.

Pakistan Army expelled close to 100 US military trainers from the country in June in a show of displeasure over the Bin Laden raid. The Pakistani move, the US said, compelled it to withhold $800 million in military assistance.

At a meeting with the US delegation, President Zardari voiced concern over reports of the proposed cut in assistance for Pakistan. “Any cut in assistance would impact our existing economic conditions,” said an official statement quoting the president as telling the visiting US senators.

Zardari said the move would also send negative signals to the public about the US commitment to the people of Pakistan “when they are suffering heavily in economic terms due to unparalleled toll of the war against terror.”

The president hoped that all such steps would be avoided, the statement added.

President Zardari said drag on our relations due to operational irritants can effectively be avoided if the terms of engagements were clearly defined and followed in their true essence by the two countries.

In a meeting with Prime Minister Gilani, Senator Levin underlined the importance of bringing back US-Pakistan relations on even keel because both the countries are fighting the common enemy who is ‘using violence as IEDs.’

(Read: Pakistan key to regional economic integration, says US)

According to an official handout, Premier Gilani expressed reservations over the failure of the US-led Nato troops to stop infiltration of militants at the Pak-Afghan border.

“One wonders how terrorists dare go to Afghanistan without being eliminated by the Isaf and Nato Forces which are equipped with the most advanced weapons,” Gilani asked.

He underscored the importance of relations between the US and Pakistan to go beyond terrorism and cover other areas of bilateral relations on durable basis for the benefit of people of both countries.

Published in The Express Tribune, August 24th, 2011.

Rajdeep · Post by **Rajdeep** » 25 Aug 2011 00:16

anupmisra wrote:Pakistan doesn’t want to be used by militants, says FM Khar
The right statement should have been: "Pakistan doesn’t want to be used by militants only".

Pakistan does not want to be used as a base for militant groups and needs the world’s understanding as it tries to handle its problems
Khar said after a two-day trip to Beijing
The tallel than the tallel fliends, deepel than....fliends can also use pa'astan. By the way, please note the carefully placed double lock of hair that teasingly strays across motorma' forehead onto her dupatta. All carefully choreographed for photo shoots. The Chini FM looks happy.

Bet she has a bigger d**k than him

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 25 Aug 2011 00:50

Poaqers ,
I can see Chinese Bhai's fingre. This is a particular kind of suggestive hand shake. The smile on his face reinforces the suspicion that the topic of this tough session was The famous Lost Locke by Alexander Pope. Take a look at the suggestive language "Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi held hand of his Pakistani counterpart, Hina Rabbani Khar, here on Wednesday, pledging to further promote bilateral ties. Yang hailed the China-Pakistan relationship as a "high-quality strategic cooperative partnership,"
This high quality was definitely miss in S.Myboob Qureshi/Gillani or Zardari.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 25 Aug 2011 00:50

Pakistan warns US on aid cuts

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2011_pg1_1
( yoon tho hamne lakh beggars dekhe hain, poak sa nahi dekha)

ISLAMABAD: President Asif Ali Zardari on Tuesday said that any cut in the US assistance would not only impact Pakistan’s existing economic conditions but would also send a negative signal to the public about commitment of the US government towards the people of Pakistan when they are suffering heavily in economic terms due to unparalleled toll of war against terror. The president was talking to a US delegation comprising Senator Carl Levin, Senator Jeff Merkley, Senator Jeanne Shaheen and other senior officials, including that of the US embassy in Islamabad during a meeting at Presidency on Tuesday.
Discussing some recent developments, the president said that Pakistan was concerned about the reports of proposed slash in US assistance for the country. He said that Pakistan shared common objectives with the United States in the region and was ready to work with international community for reconciliation and peace in Afghanistan.He said both the countries needed to avoid all actions that send negative signal and prove to be counter-productive in a bid to forge a collaborative and comprehensive partnership.Emphasising the need to avoid all such legislations and uncalled for moves, the president hoped that all such steps would be avoided.From the Pakistan side, Defence Minister Chaudhry Ahmed Mukhtar, General Secretary M Salman Faruqui, Senator Syeda Sughra Imam, Acting Foreign Secretary Dr Alamgir Babar and Spokesperson to the President Farhatullah Babar attended the meeting.Matters relating to Pak-US bilateral relations, war against terror and regional situation were discussed in the meeting. Zardari said that both the countries had invested substantially on building the process of strategic dialogue and “we must not allow some incidents to roll back the labour of building an enduring and multifaceted equation as it was no option for the two countries at this critical time”. The president said, “Drag on our relations due to operation irritants can effectively be avoided if the terms of engagements were clearly defined and followed in their true essence by the two countries.”About the fight against terrorism, the president said that Pakistan had offered its huge orifice in this war

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 25 Aug 2011 01:03

An article from Tribune (posting in full). More atrocities on Hindus in TSP.

Flesh trade: Teen Hindu escapes 2-year forced sex work nightmare

By Samia Saleem
Published: August 25, 2011

KARACHI: Kidnapped and forced into sex work at the age of 12 years, N, a Hindu girl, thought it was a nightmare that would never end.

Duped by a man named Younus who was welcomed into the family home in Teen Hatti as an old friend, N and her family never suspected that a man who showered attention and presents on them would do such a thing. N claims that he would drop by their house quite often and one day when she was alone he showed up with his wife and lured her to their house in Korangi.

What followed remained a mystery for two years till August 23 – the day she escaped.

An unlatched door led N, now 14 years old, to freedom from the brothel in Nasir colony run by Younus, his wife and son Rehman. She was forced to work as a sex worker along with three young girls, including two other Hindu girls, who escaped with her.

N claimed that one of the girls had been abducted before her while the other two were brought in after her. She was taken to the Abbasi Shaheed Hospital for a medical examination where the medico-legal officer said that N’s results showed that she had routine sexual intercourse. The officer added that she had been given a contraceptive injection every two months to avoid a pregnancy.

N said that she was forced to do what her captors said, as they had drugged her. She told The Express Tribune that sometimes she had two to three visitors per night and the family charged them Rs1,500 to Rs2,000 per person.

Cursing her time at the brothel, N added that Younus and his son sexually abused her and the other girls as well.

Talking about the girls who had escaped with her, N explained that they hired a rickshaw and instructed the driver to head towards a main road. She added that when they recognised the area, she dropped off the girls and went to her parent’s house in Teen Hatti. “Her family immediately contacted Roshni Helpline, a child rights non-government organisation (NGO) that had been following the case for two years,” said the NGO’s Mohammad Ali.

Ali told The Express Tribune that a neighbour caught Rehman trying to stop one of the girls from escaping.

In his statement in front of the authorities, Rehman admitted that his family had been involved in the business and they targeted young girls from differeny minorities. “Their backgrounds were not influential so there was little that they could do once their daughter was abducted,” he said. “The brothel ran unnoticed in a small area usually inhabited by labourers.”

While Younus and his wife are still at large, the investigating officer ASI Rana Nisar from the Supermarket police station in Liaquatabad claimed that Rehman’s statement had provided leads to his parent’s whereabouts. He added that they would conduct another raid to find out more.

Published in The Express Tribune, August 25th, 2011.

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 25 Aug 2011 01:13

Pic 1 : A massive landslide occurred on July 4 last year near the Attabad village in Hunza Valley, causing a heavy loss of life and property. The landslide blocked River Hunza, which resulted in the formation of a lake, besides inundating about a two-kilometre long stretch of KKH.

Pic 2 : A look at this picture shows the deforestation by TSP in PoK.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 25 Aug 2011 01:24

Prem wrote:Pakistan warns US on aid cuts

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2011_pg1_1
( yoon tho hamne lakh beggars dekhe hain, poak sa nahi dekha)

”About the fight against terrorism, the president said that Pakistan had offered its huge orifice in this war

Prem ji,
aap mahan ho saar!

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 25 Aug 2011 03:10

Philip Ji, you did well to warn the Buddhist couple. I mentioned this some eons back here on a similar ritual. Had a paki colleague who mentioned of 'Djinns' infesting his new house in a candid moment after drinks. On talking further he claimed he had done all purification rituals on his new home. That included pouring Cow blood on the foundations as it was coming up and on the opening ceremony. So despite the 'purifications' all those noises and Djinns were troubling him and his family..i decided never ever recommending renting or leasing my stuff to the Paki types. Good job.

So the illiterate gun toting buffoon who is put into a madrasa to study all this just mugs up the stuff (his teacher is of the same type nowadays, not a scholar) and each of them spews out what is convenient...

Shiv Ji, the whole post..an excellent one. A few people will always mould Islam as they like how hot Vladivostok is, when folks cry out, this is not..it's 'supposed' to be somethign else, the learned shut them up. As i mentioned earlier, the Shabana's and Javed Akhtars cannot stand up to the Mullah Omars. And i trust the latters version and interpretation. Pakistan to survive it needs a greater and louder rejection of Islam not democracy, free press, judiciary etc...these come much later on the civilizational scale.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 25 Aug 2011 05:19

Study of HIV increase in Pakistan could benefit other research

Rates of HIV have increased in Pakistan’s general population, as the virus has spread beyond at-risk groups to women and their children, according to an international team of researchers, including a University of Florida scientist.

The researchers raise concern that the transmission across subgroups into Pakistan’s general population may serve as indication that the virus may be spreading into populations within neighboring Afghanistan. The team’s epidemiological findings were published in July in the journal PLoS One.

looks like circumcision and religion of peace is not stopping the infections as they claim

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 25 Aug 2011 06:31

harbans wrote:Pakistan to survive it needs a greater and louder rejection of Islam not democracy, free press, judiciary etc...these come much later on the civilizational scale.

Absolutely and I had some meta thoughts related to this. Someone on this forum had argued that Pakhanastan will be/should be a kind of barrier between Taliban and India and I had vehemently argued against that. But I may have not seen the light in an unexpected way.

Pakhanis of Pakjab and Sindh are trying to do that. They want to be called "Muslim" but do not want the Islam of the border areas. But they don't want Hindus either. They are trying to squeeze their Islam into a place where Hindus are rejected, but they also oppose the strict rejection of music and movies of the Taliban, and selectively try to reject the dress code for women. Pakhanis of Pakjab and Sindh seem to thrash about wildly trying to show the West that they are exactly like the West in their attitudes to music and dress and women and in any case a rejection of Hinduism is no skin off the balls of any mango Westerner.

Pakjabis of the elite variety are trying to create a hybrid Islam that they call "moderate". Pakistani moderate Islam rejects Hindus, Sikhs, Christians, Shias and Ahmedis but unlike the Taliban allow the arts and music. This is exactly where the "liberals" of Pakistan sit. But this is a difficult position - its like trying to shit into a hornet's nest. they have isolated themselves from the Pashtun/Taliban version of Islam, as well as from India and they are also at odds with their own rural "peasant" population. This group nowadays try desperate measures to balance the stinging hornets on their backsides with the need to let the crap come out.

On the one hand they try to "reach out' to India in various ways. They are trying to reach out to Punjabis in india on the basis of shared language. They try to show kinship with "North India" (yeah, Agra here I come) At the same time they try to keep Islam happy by selectively enforcing Hijab, Zina and Hudood. They try to keep the Pashtuns happy by having a rant against the Americans and acting with bravado as if the Chinese are going to come and get them out of this mess. Just like you find all the contradictions when you dig into Islam, if you dig into Pakistaniyat you find all its contradictions. It is a structure that can only be maintained by selective hatred and variable application of rules.

If you define the "average" Pakjabi according to what he likes and dislikes this is what you get

I am a Muslim
I am a Pakistani
I hate Hindus, Sikhs and Christians
I am suspicious of Shias
I hate Ahmedis
I don't like the Taliban's rejection of music, TV and movies
I claim to reject caste because it is Indian, but i continue to implement the system in Pakistan
I want hijab to be selective. None for the wealthy but fine for the "peasants"
I want zina/hudood to be selective. None for the wealthy but fine for the "peasants"
I want Basant/Sufi practices selectively. I reject any connection with India, but do not want to remove them like the Taliban
I like America selectively. I like what I get. I dislike when I have to give or change.

Pakistan, like Islam is a selective list of hatreds. But what Pakjabis and Sindhis hate is not exactly what the Taliban hate. It is a function of the confusion and ambiguity of Islam that both the Taliban and Pakjabis claim to be representatives of the same islam. Neither of them will admit that Islam allows them to be ambiguous. But both understand that Islam allows them to kill the other for not agreeing.

If this bunch were not murderous, they would be funny. Are they really trying to live like their Prophet as they claim? Really? Is this how the man lived? Wow.

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 25 Aug 2011 06:45

From China Daily

China and Pakistan will seek "more robust" ties

"When a new challenge emerges, it only brings China and Pakistan closer."

the 34-year-old foreign minister sees "huge potential" in Pakistan forming closer ties

China is willing to take the opportunities to work with Pakistan in elevating the two countries' strategic and cooperative partnership

Closer relations are all about seks.

arun · Post by **arun** » 25 Aug 2011 07:52

The Kashmiri separatists do unto the Islamic Republic of Pakistan what the Islamic Republic of Pakistan habitually does to others which is to turn around and bite the hand that nutures them

.

Dr. Shabir Choudhry:

Our struggle is on Pakistani side of the divide, Dr Shabir Choudhry

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » 25 Aug 2011 08:03

Wash Post: NYPD and CIA join hands to protect Homeland from Pak-Americans

In just two episodes showing how widely the NYPD cast its net, the department sought a rundown from the taxi commission of every Pakistani cab driver in the city, and produced an analytical report on every mosque within 100 miles, officials said.

Just as at the CIA, Cohen and Sanchez knew that informants would have to become the backbone of their operation. But with threats coming in from around the globe, they couldn’t wait months for the perfect plan.

They came up with a makeshift solution. They dispatched more officers to Pakistani neighborhoods and, according to one former police official directly involved in the effort, instructed them to look for reasons to stop cars: speeding, broken tail lights, running stop signs, whatever. The traffic stop gave police an opportunity to search for outstanding warrants or look for suspicious behavior. An arrest could be the leverage the police needed to persuade someone to become an informant.

At the CIA, one of the biggest obstacles has always been that U.S. intelligence officials are overwhelmingly white, their mannerisms clearly American. The NYPD didn’t have that problem, thanks to its diverse pool of officers.

Using census data, the department matched undercover officers to ethnic communities and instructed them to blend in, the officials said. Pakistani-American officers infiltrated Pakistani neighborhoods, Palestinians focused on Palestinian neighborhoods. They hung out in hookah bars and cafes, quietly observing the community around them.

Police are in prisons, too, promising better living conditions and help or money on the outside for Muslim prisoners who will work with them.

Early in the intelligence division’s transformation, police asked the taxi commission to run a report on all the city’s Pakistani cab drivers, looking for those who got licenses fraudulently and might be susceptible to pressure to cooperate, according to former officials who were involved in or briefed on the effort.

This is how you protect civil society from Pakis. I believe this article is continuation of "putting pressure on Pakis" strategy.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 25 Aug 2011 08:26

Charlie wrote:Wash Post: NYPD and CIA join hands to protect Homeland from Pak-Americans

This is how you protect civil society from Pakis. I believe this article is continuation of "putting pressure on Pakis" strategy.

I am less sure about that. On page 3 the article suggests hat Pakistanis were being targeted without any mention of the fact that it was "middle easterners" who drew attention in the US. Not Pakis. Most of the article deals with what the agencies may be doing illegally, while pointing out that those agencies are targeting Pakhanis. I wonder if there is Paki lifafa here.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 25 Aug 2011 08:33

Chinese national exported n-products to Pakistan
Excerpts

Whatever else Xun Wang (51) might have been, one thing is for sure — she was brazen. The Chinese national and lawful permanent resident in the U.S. actually thought she could get away with exporting 360 gallons of high-performance nuclear reactor paint to Pakistan for use in its Chinese-made Chashma reactor.

And she nearly did get away, at least until the U.S. Department of Commerce's (DOC) Bureau of Industry and Security closed its net around her and her shady trading counterparts including two Chinese companies working on the construction of Chashma, one of which is owned by the Chinese government.

The subterfuge deployed, according to the DOC, was that the company at which she used be the Managing Director, PPG Industries, sought to obtain orders from the two Chinese companies involved in the Chashma reactor.

This was done in order to create the illusion of exports to Chinese nuclear firms, which is permitted under BIS (Bureau of Industry & Security) export control restrictions.

[Xun] Wang and the companies allegedly conspired to list Dalian Shi Zi Kou nuclear power station in China as the end-user because the U.S. would not require an export license to ship the goods.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 25 Aug 2011 08:38

Ms. Khar questions claims on role in Xinjiang

“The statement, vis-à-vis Pakistan's involvement of any sort, was misconstrued, was not from the Chinese government,” Ms. Khar was quoted as saying by the Voice of America (VOA) at a press conference here {Beijing} on Wednesday.

Following the attacks in the city of Kashgar, which left at least 21 people killed, the regional government in Xinjiang said terrorists who had reportedly trained in terror camps of the separatist East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM) in Pakistan had carried out the violence.

While the statement was issued by the regional government, Chinese officials and analysts told The Hindu it was unlikely the regional government could have issued a statement mentioning Pakistan without Beijing's approval, as Ms. Khar appeared to suggest was the case.

She said Pakistan “has worked with China regarding the East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM) and is ready to do more,” VOA reported. “If you are saying, ‘Does it [ETIM] have any base in Pakistan?' We do not know.”Indian media in Beijing was kept out of Wednesday's press conference.

Danyal Gilani, spokesperson at the Pakistan Embassy in Beijing, told The Hindu on Tuesday the interaction “was only for Chinese media”, though media from the U.S., U.K. and Europe were later invited.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 25 Aug 2011 09:10

So they Pakis need Chinese paint for their power plants too?

Shiv, Can you put that in a Venn diagram?

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 25 Aug 2011 09:41

SSridhar wrote:Ms. Khar questions claims on role in Xinjiang
Danyal Gilani, spokesperson at the Pakistan Embassy in Beijing, told The Hindu on Tuesday the interaction “was only for Chinese media”, though media from the U.S., U.K. and Europe were later invited.

The Danyal Gilani paki referenced above is the half brother of Dawood Gilania (AKA David Headley) who was shipped off to china when the Pakistaniyat hit the fan. Groper (himself a Gilani) denies he is related to Dawood, but had employed Danyal as his spokesman and had also attended his dad's funeral.