UlanBatori wrote:AoA! I highly recommend what Supreme HQ does: watch all episodes of "Marshal Dillon". See the utter congestion on Boot Hill. Also contemplate the life expectancy of a "Marshal" in those days. Sure, that was "long ago", but as someone said, an engineer asleep for 20 years would wake up and be utterly confused my technological advances. A Humanities person/politician asleep for 2000 years would wake up today and be utterly comfortable, nothig has changed. Marshal Dillon is pictured as the ultimate in Justice and Fast-Gun Speed and Survivability, but if you watch more than 3 episodes, you get the point very clearly on what reality was and is like.
As for "proportionate response", what struck me about these Dillon shows is that EARLY DISPROPORTIONATE RESPONSE would have "de-escalated" most of those situations and ended the show in 5 mins vs. 30. Instead, Dillon's Law Enforcement style was like MS Dhoni's: tried very hard to ignore, then tried to patch up, then tried "proportionate" response. The Brats just keep escalating exponentially, with TERRIBLE results to The Meek. I found little comfort that in the end the Brats were carried off boots first to Boot Hill. The trauma and damage they left behind was permament for The Meek.
In UlanBator Madrassa, one must have learned about estimation and detection problem and Type-1 and Type-2 errors? In most statistical distributions, Type-1 vs Type-2 errors have an inverse correlation.
As far as crime goes, the US politicians (and the white frame of mind), has very little tolerance for Type-2 errors. This is true when the person in question is any civilian of any color that can potentially commit a violent or criminal act when the cops are on the receiving side (cop killer.. etc). This is also true for any non-white who can potentially commit or is suspected of committing a criminal act against any part of white society.
Now when you go for things such as "zero tolerance" as the braphessar was braying in his rabble rousing artical. What you are trying to do is to reduce Type-2 errors to 0. In such a case, Type-1 errors will shoot up, and that is a natural consequence, especially for a "normal distribution".
Zero tolerance for drugs is another example. Most drug users are white, but most in Prison are black. One can wonder why. Type-2 errors for blacks are scaled to 0. Resulting in large Type-1 errors, which means a large percentage of blacks being in Prison for committing no crime.
This thinking is exactly what made the KKK say what they say below:
UlanBatori wrote:Alabama edition of The School Of The Americas (KKK/Aryan Nations madarssa) had the slogan:
KILL THEM ALL: LET GAWD SORT EM OUT
Of course that included you and me.
I am NOT endorsing that pov, but one has to consider that as one of many solutions advocated and tried by ppl over the ages. Many may feel something of the sort even if they were by nature all Fair and Just, after they/ relatives/ loved ones have been traumatized.
UlanBator madrassas never teach real history. All that is "alternative" history: taken up by the likes of Ronald Takaki or James Bradley (who wrote The Imperial Cruise). Alas, we only see sanitized history in Ulan Bator's media.
If you think that there is "some" justification for what the KKK was doing, and you do believe so, then you are no different than the people who created the Jim Crow era. You are no different than a cartoonist who draws a caricature of the black brute. A similar version of the "black brute" stereotype is being created now: It is the "Indian male rapist" stereotype.
There is a lot that is already written about this stereotype and if you care to you can read the following (as you can see I am a fan of this guy abagond despite his distorted view of India and his devout Catholicism) :
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http://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/brute/
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http://abagond.wordpress.com/2008/04/23 ... tereotype/
And you also fall into the following category (for probably no fault of yours):
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http://abagond.wordpress.com/2008/02/09 ... ple-think/
and this
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http://abagond.wordpress.com/2008/05/31 ... nd-racism/
and most likely this as well:
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http://abagond.wordpress.com/2013/07/29 ... -argument/
For your edification here is a quote from abagond:
As stereotypes go, this one is pretty new: it did not arise till the 1870s, after the black slaves were freed. As slaves they were seen as simple and childlike. Once freed, they were seen as being wild and out of control.
So if blacks were not kept in line by terror and lynchings, black men would freely rape white women. What, after all, would stop them? This became the stated excuse for Jim Crow – to protect pure white women against savage black men. When Congress tried to pass a law against lynching, white Southerners blocked it in the Senate for just this reason.
As it turns out, of all the blacks who were lynched only about one in seven was guilty of raping a white woman. In the case of Emmett Till all he did was call a white woman “Baby”. That was enough for her husband and her brother to kill him, a 14-year-old boy – and get away with it.
I would suggest you to read the works of Ronald Takaki, to realize what was the real price that the blacks payed. Most blacks are angry and have mental issues today. Most have undiagnosed PTSD, just like their parents had. They got it from their parents and so on and so forth until you realize that post slavery there was a generational transmission of PTSD. The blacks were completely cut out from the white economy and any attempt to give them some redemption, as in the case of 40 acres and a mule, was met with consistent and successful resistance. That resistance continues to this day in one form or the other.
Here is something more for you to chew on:
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http://www.blackpast.org/aah/forty-acres-and-mule
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_Traum ... e_Syndrome
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgenerational_trauma
When there are historical and generational issues as deep as this, I would suggest a little more empathy. Especially since we as Indians ourselves have not recovered from our own trans generational trauma.
Again my own disclaimer: I or my family may end up being a victim of a violent crime committed by a black person. That will not make me seek the nuclear option to wipe them off the face of the earth. I would like justice, just as any other person would. However I would not want someone killed just for roughing me up.