Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Jan 04, 2014

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SSridhar wrote:
Anujan wrote:Means they are going to station some Bandars loaded up with nukes in Saudi Arabia.
Bandars are what the name implies. They are not gorillas capable of carrying crown jewels and penetrating deep. It is really perplexing unless the Saudis want to convey a message to the US with whom their relations aren't good. The arrogantly rich Saudis wouldn't touch a Chinese plane otherwise when they have so many non-US options.

It means the KSA is rising up in the TSP's 3.5 fathers rankings. Essentially they are subsidizing the production of the bandars in TSP. Its really a message to US.
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A_Rai wrote:Purani Jeans | Butcher’s Block
Hollywood actors Ava Gardner and Stewart Granger arrive in Lahore for filming scenes for Bhowani Junction. Based on a novel written by a British colonial officer with a familial history of colonial management stretching four generations, the story for the film was set in the year 1946, in fictional Bhowani Junction, most likely Jhansi, in a colonial India on the cusp of independence.

The film’s production studio, MGM, originally wanted to film in India. However, uncomfortable with the film’s theme, and judging the materials insulting, the Indian government refused to allow filming. Indian insistence at seeing the script pre-shooting, and its tax collectors’ demand for greater share of the film’s profit also contributed to the tension. The Pakistani government, however, was more amenable to American overtures and offered MGM ready assistance, a waiver of all taxes, and even the provision of army soldiers to assist in filming.
You wont believe it but I was watching "Bhowani Junction" last night and read the wiki and the refs listed. Did you see the mascot in the movie! It was a goat with a garland being followed by Paki Bagpipers.
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Brad Goodman wrote:At home, in Pakistan
Ms. Jyoti Punwani : Connected with CENTER FOR STUDY OF SOCIETY AND SECULARISM. Present Chairman Prof. Ram Punyani. Last Chairman : Late Dr. Asghari Ali Engineer.

General Body Member : Admiral Ramdas.

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Blast on railway track near Jacobabad kills 8 including 4 children
JACOBABAD : A remote-controlled bomb blast on a railway track near Jacobabad killed eight people including four children of the same family and injured at least 30 others, Express New reported on Sunday.
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Is that what they called IEDs with slow burning fuses in Pakistan?
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The JF-17 Bandar story is:
1) Either untrue, and wait for a rebuttal from KSA
2) Badmash / fauj have convinced KSA to finance another batch of Bandars for Pakistan, in lieu of Mooh Dikhayi for KSA funded Bums.

Recall, KSA def mins, regularly visit POF Wah, and specially Air Weapons Complex to make sure their share of the clown jewels are intact.
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These islamic freedom fighters(Taliban) are teaching Brave paki army more islamism.

23 brave paki soldiers kidnapped in 2010 were "executed" by people who follow islamic shariah(Taliban). Taliban are fighting the good fight, i.e implementing shariah in pakisatan. All true muslims should support Taliban.

True mujlims have once again demonstrated ijlam is a religion of pieces onlee.

[url=httpxxx://www.dawn.com/news/1087438/taliban-claim ... in-custody]Taliban claim killing 23 FC soldiers in custody[/url]
Taliban militants in Mohmand Agency on late Sunday night claimed to have killed 23 FC soldiers who were kidnapped in 2010 from Shongari checkpost in Mohmand Agency.

The Mohmand Agency Taliban chief Umar Khalid Khurrasani, in a letter issued on social media, claimed that they have killed the FC soldiers to avenge what he said was the custodial killing of Taliban fighters in various parts of Pakistan.
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http://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg ... 0648.story
The Obama administration is making contingency plans to use air bases in Central Asia to conduct drone missile attacks in northwest Pakistan in case the White House is forced to withdraw all U.S. forces from Afghanistan at the end of this year, according to U.S. officials.
But even if alternative bases are secured, the officials said, the CIA's capability to gather sufficient intelligence to find Al Qaeda operatives and quickly launch drone missiles at specific targets in Pakistan's mountainous tribal region will be greatly diminished if the spy agency loses its drone bases in Afghanistan.

The CIA's targeted killing program thus may prove a casualty of the bitter standoff with Afghan President Hamid Karzai over whether any U.S. troops can remain in Afghanistan after 2014, as the White House has sought. Karzai has refused to sign a bilateral security agreement to permit a long-term American deployment, and some White House aides are arguing for a complete pullout.
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Pakistani Taliban says it executed 23 captured Pakistani soldiers

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/tal ... 12c1cd8d1e
A faction of the Pakistani Taliban said Sunday that it executed 23 paramilitary soldiers who have been held captive since 2010, even as other elements of the militant group continue preliminary peace talks with the country’s government.

In a written statement and subsequent video message, the Pakistani Taliban’s Mohmand wing said the Pakistani soldiers were killed in retaliation for continued security operations against Islamist extremists. Omar Khalid Khurassani, a commander of the group, also accused Pakistan’s military of extrajudicial killings.
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Army will not pull out of SWA, says govt leader
Pakistan Army will not be withdrawn from South Waziristan Agency (SWA) or any part of the tribal belt as demanded by the banned Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), a top government leader has said.

“Such withdrawal will amount to surrender of a territory to the Taliban and abdicating the authority of the state to a group, which can not be allowed. It is a non-serious demand by the TTP,” he told The News on condition of anonymity.

“The Army will be deployed wherever it will be required and necessary,” he said.

Meanwhile, members of PM’s negotiating committee are optimistic that Taliban will announce a ceasefire, another source said.
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A Muslim who chooses to stay with her Hindu friend rather than her son when she comes to his city; a man whose father was cut into pieces by Hindus during Partition goes out of his way to help a Hindu stranger from India… Nine days of meeting people like this in Pakistan left me wondering about the kind of transformation in Indo-Pak relations if only people were allowed to meet freely.
Typical jholawala tripe full of dishonesty. If Muslims are so good at heart and it is all due to misunderstandings, what is happening to Hindus of Kashmir, Pakistan and Bangladesh? Why are Kashimir Pandits living in tents in Jammu? These jholawala jokers are delusional and it amazing these are even entertained by the Indian society. Notice that the writer has deliberately not talked to a single Hindu or Christian in Pakistan to know how they feel.
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The Saudi connection
In Pakistan, for decades Saudi Arabia has sponsored clerics, seminaries, religious organizations and groups that provide the bedrock of support for the terrorists. The terrorists themselves were weaned in such institutions and subscribe to the sectarian ideology promoted by the kingdom. The influence the Saudi rulers wield within the Pakistani establishment should not be under-estimated either; what with the whisking away of a deposed Prime Minister and his return before time. Add to this the special ties with the Sharif family that it hosted in exile for almost a decade, and we have an alarming situation at hand. Surely, there is more to these frequent meetings between the high and mighty of the two countries than meets the eye.
Somehow, the policies and actions of the royal rulers of Saudi Arabia are generally exempted from scrutiny in Pakistan. This might have to do with their status as the custodians of Khana Kaaba and the leadership of the Muslim world that they claim for themselves as a consequence of that. If their opulent lifestyles and hereditary monarchy, both repugnant to the teachings of Islam, is not enough to strip them of their leadership claim, their propagation of a sectarian war within Muslim countries surely is. It is time to deal with the royal Saudi government without the reverence traditionally reserved for it.
Does the Sharif government’s soft corner for the TTP have anything to do with the Saudi connection? What is the Saudi position on the TTP and the government’s dialogue with the terrorist organization? What, after all, are the “regional matters” that the two sides will discuss? The Saudi citizens might not have the right to know, ruled as they are by a king. But is it not the right of Pakistanis to know the details of the discussion its government has with an international player so deeply involved in the business of Islamic extremism? The brotherly relations are all very well, but at this crucial time in our history, the government cannot be allowed to continue the policy of secrecy when it comes to “discussion on regional matters” with Saudi Arabia.
I hope the freelance journalist is living in the 'west' and not in TSP for his own safety.
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Anujan wrote:Pakistani Taliban says it executed 23 captured Pakistani soldiers
http://tribune.com.pk/story/672777/dela ... 23-fc-men/
The senior journalist also stated that it was not yet known whether the TTP Shura had ordered the murder or someone else did.
Breaking News:
Miran Shah: Pakistani Taliban has issued a clarification statement saying non state actors of Islamic Emirate of Waziristan who are mostly retired shura members who have gone rogue could be behind the execution of 23 Pakistani soldiers. The Taliban shura spokesperson Shahidullah Shahid said if Pakistan provides proof of Taliban's involvement, then it will form a committee of prominent clerics to investigate the matter as per Sharia. Shahidullah hoped that the core issue of enforcement of Sharia throughout Pakistan will be resolved soon. He also said there are extremists on both sides of Pakistan-Waziristan border who want the peace talks to derail. Meanwhile a well known cleric and strategic analyst Zaidullah Hamidullah made a stunning claim during his sermon in Bannu today that two Pakistani army agents Ashraf Shariff and Raheel Kayani were behind the execution to defame Pakistani Taliban and derail talks.
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^
The so called NonState actors will now come up with their own NonState actors.

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Pakistani Taliban has issued a clarification statement saying non state actors of Islamic Emirate of Waziristan who are mostly retired shura members who have gone rogue could be behind the execution of 23 Pakistani soldiers. The Taliban shura spokesperson Shahidullah Shahid said if Pakistan provides proof of Taliban's involvement, then it will form a committee of prominent clerics to investigate the matter as per Sharia.
Am looving this!! :rotfl: :rotfl:
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partha wrote: Shahidullah hoped that the core issue of enforcement of Sharia throughout Pakistan will be resolved soon. He also said there are extremists on both sides of Pakistan-Waziristan border who want the peace talks to derail.
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The New Game - Editorial in DT

Afghan President Hamid Karzai has played his cards well by showing his reluctance to sign a pact with the US that would allow US troops to remain in Afghanistan past 2014. This delaying tactic seems an attempt to force the US to pressurise Pakistan into taking decisive action against the Afghan Taliban, especially the Haqqani network, which has sanctuaries inside FATA and North Waziristan. It is a desperate attempt by President Karzai to bring the Afghan Taliban to the negotiating table for peace talks and stop them from exploiting the vacuum that will be created by the US troops withdrawal in 2014 as already mentioned by President Barack Obama in his State of the Union address.

Apparently, this pressure point is none other than the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP). If TTP attacks in Pakistan pick up momentum then Pakistan will have no other choice but to take military action in North Waziristan. Although the Afghan Taliban and TTP share an ideology and a dominant Pushtun ethnicity, beyond that there is nothing. Combining them under one name, ‘the Taliban’, may be more misleading than illuminating as many regional experts like Gilles Dorronsoro, a professor and a visiting scholar at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, a global think tank, says: “The fact that they have the same name causes all kinds of confusion.” He further adds, “The only coherent response from the Afghan government and coalition is to reach an agreement with the (Afghan) Taliban in order to detach them from transnational jihadist groups (TTP). Placing the Haqqani group on the US list of terrorist movements is counterproductive.”

Alex Strick van Lichtenstein, a Dutch researcher and author of the book An Enemy We Created, says, “The two movements are quite separate, to be honest. The Taliban commanders and groups on the ground in Afghanistan could not care less what is happening to their Pakistani brothers across the border.” Another senior analyst from the Afghan Analyst Network (AAN), Thomas Rutting, says, “There is an often repeated but not much sourced assumption that every group hiding in the Af-Pak mountains is more or less the same thing. The Afghan and Pakistani Taliban as well as Pakistani sectarian and jihadists are all part of a big terrorism syndicate. This is not only wrong but also dangerous since policies are conceived on this basis.”

Sadly enough, our policy makers have failed to understand the difference between the two. Based on these assumptions, if we opt for any military operation in North Waziristan, then the consequences will be devastating. The earlier we reach any consensus and overcome this dilemma, the better.

The coalition forces will be withdrawing by the end of 2014, and post-2014 Afghanistan will see the Afghan Taliban as major stakeholders in the future government of Afghanistan as they are already in control of the major parts of the country, i.e. more than 60 percent, which rises to 72 percent at night. There is a dire need to bring the Afghan Taliban to the negotiating table and make them part of any future transition of government peacefully. This will also undermine India’s influence in Afghan affairs and will deter it from taking any offensive position in Afghanistan.

The Afghan Taliban’s chief negotiator, Maulvi Shahabuddin Dilawar, has hinted at taking part in the 2014 elections when he asked that free and fair elections be held without the presence of foreign military forces in Afghanistan, while addressing the Foundation for Strategic Research (FRS) in Paris on December 21, 2012.

The Pakistan government and army will have to be prepared for the inevitable change in the dynamics of internal politics and ever increasing presence of India in Afghanistan. The Afghan National Army will, in all likelihood, not be able to retain the control of the areas bordering Pakistan for any length of time after December 2014, thus rendering its western borders open for all kinds of trans-border activities.

Pakistan has come a long way from ‘strategic depth’ to ‘strategic shift’. The country no longer wishes for Taliban rule in Afghanistan like it did in the 1980s. It does, however, want the Taliban to be given meaningful representation in a political reconciliation process that will allow them post-2014 political space. This implies that Pakistan must work with a broader set of Afghan stakeholders, both Pashtuns and non-Pashtuns. It has also changed its stance from shutting India out of Afghanistan altogether to ensuring that India is not able to stir up trouble within Pakistan or help create a hostile Afghan dispensation. This can be achieved if both countries enter into a dialogue. This could seek ways to cooperate or readjust development activities in Afghanistan. Concentrating Indian investment activities in the north and west of the country could help downplay Pakistani suspicions about Indian projects near its border. Given India ‘s post-2014 vulnerability in Pashtun-dominated areas close to the Pakistani border, India may be willing to accept this.

Pakistan must continue to explore ways to expand its economic footprint in Afghanistan, even as security concerns dominate its approach in the run-up to December 2014. Interestingly, Afghan-Pakistani trade has risen sharply in recent years. However, there is still huge, untapped potential for these two geographically contiguous and intricately connected countries, with relative freedom of movement across their shared border. The Afghan government is already pitching to attract fresh investment after 2014 and the Pakistani private sector would do well to explore affordable options. As economic activity in Afghanistan increases, the country also remains a highly attractive destination for Pakistani services and labour apart from Afghan refugees repatriating to their homeland.

This brings Pakistan’s government to the million dollar question: what will happen to the TTP post-2014? Whether Pakistan’s political parties like it or not, the TTP has become a threat and it has to be tackled by force. In return for the role Pakistan is playing to facilitate the Afghan Taliban’s return to the negotiating table, it must ask the Afghanistan government to hand over Mullah Fazalullah, the notorious head of the TTP. Pakistan should also give a clear deadline to all extremists to lay down weapons and then go for an all out operation against those who refuse to do so. Before that, a consensus has to be built among the masses, especially in FATA, to eradicate this menace once and for all. In order to achieve a sustainable peace the government should plan ahead and develop a civilian infrastructure to replace the army after the operation. It should also cater, in advance, to the displaced persons this operation will bring.
In a nutshell, any future conflict with the Afghan Taliban will not end and any future peace with the TTP will not last.
It is simply not possible to agree with the distinctions that the DT Editor is now making between the Afghan Taliban and the TTP. For the last six years or so, DT editorials have rightly lambasted the Pakistani government, especially Musharraf, of the futility of artificially dividing the set of jihadi terrorists into 'good' and 'bad' Taliban and suddenly a U-turn is being made now. The DT, for its support, is drawing upon statements made by scholars who are unconvincing in their conclusions.

The supposedly only convincing argument presented by the editorial is that the Afghan Taliban and the TTP do not share anything beyond, "an ideology and a dominant Pushtun ethnicity". What more does the editor want to be shared before they could be considered as anything else ? What do the disparate, tran-national member groups of AQ share ? Hasn't Mullah Omar taken on the AQ mantle ? Haven't the TTP owed allegiance to Mullah Omar ? Hasn't Mullah Omar directly intervened in internecine disputes within the TTP and settled them ? Haven't TTP participated in attacks within Afghanistan ?

It is the common ideology that binds the loose AQ all over the world. Pakistan will be deceiving itself somehow that the bad Taliban can be somehow isolated and dealt with while continuing to support the good Taliban. There is no such distinction.
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partha wrote:
Miran Shah: Pakistani Taliban has issued a clarification statement saying non state actors of Islamic Emirate of Waziristan who are mostly retired shura members who have gone rogue could be behind the execution of 23 Pakistani soldiers. The Taliban shura spokesperson Shahidullah Shahid said if Pakistan provides proof of Taliban's involvement, then it will form a committee of prominent clerics to investigate the matter as per Sharia. Shahidullah hoped that the core issue of enforcement of Sharia throughout Pakistan will be resolved soon. He also said there are extremists on both sides of Pakistan-Waziristan border who want the peace talks to derail.
I love that repeated reference to the Emirate. All that the TTP has to do to conduct its foreign relations with Pakistan is to copy the Pakistani Foreign Office vis-a-vis India.
Meanwhile a well known cleric and strategic analyst Zaidullah Hamidullah made a stunning claim during his sermon in Bannu today that two Pakistani army agents Ashraf Shariff and Raheel Kayani were behind the execution to defame Pakistani Taliban and derail talks.
This is quite possible too. The 'rogue' shura members probably colluded with the two ISI agents. The Pakistani reaction in the coming days would confirm this.
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partha wrote: Shahidullah hoped that the core issue of enforcement of Sharia throughout Pakistan will be resolved soon. He also said there are extremists on both sides of Pakistan-Waziristan border who want the peace talks to derail.
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Did BRF hack into TTP account and send this?
It seems uncannily 400% similar to something out of a BENIS thread!
The 'rogue' shura members probably colluded with the two ISI agents. The Pakistani reaction in the coming days would confirm this.
Maybe even the ISI folks were rogue, non-state actors! Country is being overrun by rouges! :lol: :lol:
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Why am I suspecting that TTP actually did not order the killing of FC men. It could be some renegades acting for ISI to put pressure on TTP during the negotiation. When I see the condemnation from Nawaz I smell the fish. Pakis are overdoing this. They always do when their hands are dirty. Just like the drama they played during the Salala incident.
He (NS) commended the "sacrifices rendered by the martyrs", saying the country could not stand idly by when such acts of murder were being committed.
Is this a game of testing waters? who wants peace the most?
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Pakistani polio strain threatens global campaign
Shaista is one of five new polio cases to surface in Pakistan in just the first month of this year. Last year, Pakistan recorded 92 new cases, beating Nigeria and Afghanistan — the only other polio-endemic countries — by almost 2 to 1, the World Health Organization said.Pakistan's beleaguered battle to eradicate polio is threatening a global, multi-billion-dollar campaign to wipe out the disease worldwide. Because of Pakistan, the virus is spreading to countries that were previously polio-free, UN officials say.
"The largest polio virus reservoir of the world," is in Peshawar, in northwestern Pakistan near the border with Afghanistan, according to WHO.
Fresh cases of polio — traced through genetic sequencing to the Pakistani strain of the disease — are showing up in countries that were previously polio-free, including Syria and Egypt, as well as in the Gaza Strip, said Ban Khalid Al-Dhayi, the spokeswoman for UNICEF in Pakistan. UNICEF is tasked with persuading a reluctant tribal population that lives along Pakistan's border with Afghanistan — perhaps one of the most dangerous places on the planet — to vaccinate their children.
"A lot of countries that spent so much money and resources eradicating polio are worried£ Al-Dhayi said in an interview.
Pakistan's neighbors are particularly vulnerable.
Neighboring India, with a population of 1.2 billion, has been polio-free for three years. Fearful that Pakistan could wipe out that achievement, India is demanding that Pakistani visitors provide proof of vaccination.
Underlining the danger that Pakistan poses to achieving that goal, Al-Dhayi said there are 350,000 Pakistani children in just one small area of the country who have not been vaccinated — and it takes only one child left unvaccinated to reverse global gains against the disease.
It has been impossible to eradicate the polio virus from Peshawar, says Shah, because people from the heavily infected tribal regions that are off limits for health workers arrive daily in the city, bringing with them a fresh outbreak.
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paki racism towards sdre at display.. green on green, eh?


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SanjayC wrote:
A Muslim who chooses to stay with her Hindu friend rather than her son when she comes to his city; a man whose father was cut into pieces by Hindus during Partition goes out of his way to help a Hindu stranger from India… Nine days of meeting people like this in Pakistan left me wondering about the kind of transformation in Indo-Pak relations if only people were allowed to meet freely.
Typical jholawala tripe full of dishonesty. If Muslims are so good at heart and it is all due to misunderstandings, what is happening to Hindus of Kashmir, Pakistan and Bangladesh? Why are Kashimir Pandits living in tents in Jammu? These jholawala jokers are delusional and it amazing these are even entertained by the Indian society. Notice that the writer has deliberately not talked to a single Hindu or Christian in Pakistan to know how they feel.
Most horrific story I ever came across was the one told by one of my uncles. This girl went to the fields which were next to the fields of muslims from neighbouring village. Harami jahil cuted her breasts and left her alive to tell the story. After that village formed protection groups armed with whatever they could find. Neighbouring village was evacuated by army and kept on train. Not a single muslim left. First muslim ever met wasin Delhi which is about 70km from my place. My first impression was..........why are they so dirty and cruel. Kids holding heads of butchered goatd as if they were holding kites and whole area was full of awfull stench. I have few good muslim friends but I know limits of their libralism and I handel them accordingly.
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sum wrote:
Pakistani Taliban has issued a clarification statement saying non state actors of Islamic Emirate of Waziristan who are mostly retired shura members who have gone rogue could be behind the execution of 23 Pakistani soldiers. The Taliban shura spokesperson Shahidullah Shahid said if Pakistan provides proof of Taliban's involvement, then it will form a committee of prominent clerics to investigate the matter as per Sharia.
Am looving this!! :rotfl: :rotfl:

Is't this what the TSP Govt told India when asked about the 26/11 Mumbai attacks.

The Pakiban is kind enough to request dossas with proof of their invovlement.
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Again just goes on to show how much TTP has understood Pacquiness from Pakjabis and is rubbing back it in. 8)
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Peace talks between Pakistan and Taliban collapse after killings

ISLAMABAD : Peace talks between the Pakistani government and Taliban insurgents broke down on Monday after insurgents said they executed 23 soldiers in revenge for army operations in the volatile tribal regions on the Afghan border.

Pakistan watchers have always been sceptical that negotiations with the outlawed militant group could ever bring peace in a country where the Taliban are fighting to topple the government and set up an Islamic state.

Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif announced the latest round of talks last month just as speculation was heating up that the army was preparing to launch a major ground and air offensive against Islamist strongholds on its western frontier.

"It is sad that we are not moving in the right direction," Irfan Siddiqui, a government negotiator, said in a statement, adding that there was now "no use" holding a meeting with Taliban representatives planned for Monday.

The Taliban wing operating in the tribal Mohmand agency said in a statement the Pakistani soldiers, who were kidnapped in 2010, had been executed in revenge for the killing of their fighters by army forces.

It also issued a video message in Pashto explaining its motives but the footage did not show the bodies.

The Pakistani Taliban's main spokesman, Shahidullah Shahid, could not immediately say if Mohmand Taliban actions had been endorsed by the movement's central command or indeed when or whether the negotiations would resume.

In a sign the central Taliban leadership was not in control of its fringe groups, a cleric representing the insurgents in the talks distanced himself from the Mohmand attack.

"We are also sad to hear the news of the Mohmand agency incident," Maulana Yousuf Shah said in remarks broadcast on Pakistani television.

Relentless violence

The Pakistani Taliban, who operate separately from their Afghan namesakes, are deeply divided, so striking a deal with the central leadership is unlikely to result in peace.

Many in Pakistan believe the government is setting itself for failure by trying to talk to a group which has killed about 40,000 people since the birth of the insurgency in 2007.

Overshadowed by persistent violence, talks faltered shortly after starting on Feb 6, with more than 100 people dying in insurgent violence across the country since then.

The Taliban however have so far claimed responsibility only for one attack, the one on Thursday when 13 policemen were killed in a bomb explosion.

"Such incidents are affecting the peace talks negatively after they started to bring a peaceful solution to the problem," Sharif said in a statement.

"Pakistan cannot afford such bloodshed. ... The situation is very sad and the whole nation is shocked."

A failure to reach a negotiated ceasefire would also raise the spectre of a major military offensive in North Waziristan, a region where many al-Qaida-linked militants are based.

But it is also bound to unnerve ordinary people in Pakistan tired after years of violence in a region already nervous ahead of a planned foreign troops withdrawal from neighbouring Afghanistan this year.

The army publicly supports Sharif's call for talks but in private senior officers speak strongly against it, giving rise to talk that the military is waiting for an excuse to go into action.

In a possible sign of the changing mood, Imran Khan, a cricketer-turned-politician who has been an outspoken proponent of the talks, said in a statement: "Clearly this is also a direct sabotage of the peace talks in the most barbaric way possible".

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400% ISI killed those soldiers to scuttle the talks.
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Ashraf Iran talks down to Ajlaf/Arazel Pakistani converts in a humiliating manner:

Iran threatens to send forces into Pakistani territory
Tehran's interior minister has warned Pakistan that Iranian forces may enter Pakistani and Afghan territory to release border guards reported to have been seized by a rebel group.

Abdolreza Rahmani Fazli's remarks on state TV come a week after the little-known Jaish al-Adl posted photos on Twitter of five men it claims are border guards it seized near Pakistan.

He said Iran had asked Pakistan to treat the case “strongly and seriously” or allow Iran to secure the remote region “deep on Afghanistan and Pakistan soil.”

“Otherwise we do consider it our own right to intervene and create a new security sphere for our safety,” he said.—AP
The Iranian armed forces' deputy chief of staff was quoted as telling the semi-official Fars news agency that Iran would “show tough confrontation in this case.”

“We will have no soft stand in this case and our neighbouring country ... should account for its lack of action,” Major General Hossein Hassani Sa'di told reporters in Tehran on Monday, according to Fars English language website.

Sa'di said the guards were still alive, and underlined that “political and military measures are underway to set them free”, without elaborating.

Interior Minister Rahmani-Fazli said an Iranian delegation would visit Pakistan on Monday to secure the guards' release, state news agency ISNA reported.

In October, 14 Iranian border guards were killed and three others captured in the same area in an attack that ISNA said was carried out by Jaish al-Adl.—Reuters
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I call for uninterrupted and uninterruptible talks between Pakistan and Islamic Emirate of Waziristan to solve all outstanding issues. Pakistan complains about one instance of beheading: TTP suffers from relentless violence and terrorism.
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If Pakistan is Jihad, then FATA is the Fistula across Durand Line.
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Anujan wrote:I call for uninterrupted and uninterruptible talks between Pakistan and Islamic Emirate of Waziristan to solve all outstanding issues. Pakistan complains about one instance of beheading: TTP suffers from relentless violence and terrorism.

Not to mention gratitous droning by US to take out TTP leaders on behalf of TSP who are afraid to do the job themselves.
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Agnimitra wrote:Ashraf Iran talks down to Ajlaf/Arazel Pakistani converts in a humiliating manner:
Iran threatens to send forces into Pakistani territory
Tehran's interior minister has warned Pakistan that Iranian forces may enter Pakistani and Afghan territory to release border guards reported to have been seized by a rebel group.
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Saudi Arabia has managed to win crucial support from Pakistan in the ongoing insurrection in Syria, as the two key Muslim states on Monday called for the formation of an interim governing body to replace the Bashar al Assad regime.Following talks between the visiting Saudi crown prince, Salman bin Abdulaziz al Saud, with Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, the two countries demanded ‘the formation of a transitional governing body with full executive powers enabling it to take charge of the affairs of the country (Syria)’.A joint statement issued after the Saudi dignitary’s meetings with the top civil and military leadership in Islamabad clearly suggests a shift in Pakistan’s policy on Syria. Until now, Islamabad had not taken sides in an attempt to maintain a delicate balance in its ties with both Riyadh and Tehran, which are at odds over the Syrian conflict.Official sources told The Express Tribune that the recent flurry of visits by top Saudi officials were aimed at persuading Islamabad to support Riyadh on Syria after it lost faith in the US administration to oust Assad’s regime.
“The two sides reiterated the need for finding a quick solution to the existing conflict in Syria according to Geneva I Resolution in order to restore peace and security in Syria and prevent bloodshed of the brotherly Syrian people,” reads the joint statement.The two sides went on to call for an immediate withdrawal of all ‘foreign armed forces and elements’ from Syrian territory. This is believed to be a reference to the alleged Iranian support to the Assad regime.The two countries also demanded an end to the siege of Syrian towns and villages and cessation of aerial and artillery bombardment. They called for “setting up safe corridors and regions to deliver food and humanitarian aid to besieged Syrian citizens, under international supervision”.This apparent shift in Pakistan’s Syria policy is likely to upset neighbouring Iran. Monday’s warning by Iran’s interior minister to send troops into Pakistan to secure the release of kidnapped border guards is seen as Tehran’s uneasiness over Islamabad’s warming up ties with Riyadh.When contacted, a senior government official insisted that there was no change in Pakistan’s Syria policy. Sources, however, said that in return for supporting Saudi Arabia on Syria, Pakistan is expected to get defence contracts and other economic favours from the oil-rich kingdom.The Saudi crown prince, who is also the country’s minister for defence, also held talks with Army chief General Rawheel Shaarif and Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee General Rawshit Mahamoot.During these meetings, the two sides agreed to strengthen their defence cooperation. However, details of their understanding have not been made public. Islamabad, according to officials, is keen to sell JF-17 Thunder combat jets and other military equipment to Saudi Arabia.
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http://thefrontierpost.com/article/7625 ... usuf-Shah/
MONITORING DESK PESHAWAR: Maulana Yousuf Shah, who is a representative of Maulana Samiul Haq, said on Monday that the news of the attack on FC personnel on Sunday had given the chief of the Taliban's negotiating team a 'sleepless night', Local TV reported.
FC killings give Maulana 'Sandwich' sleepless nights. I'll leave it your imagination as to what this could mean in case of Maulana Sandwich :mrgreen:

Just like Yahya Khan was busy partying nude with his favorite 'black pearl' on the day Pakistan lost the war in 1971 :)
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partha wrote:http://thefrontierpost.com/article/7625 ... usuf-Shah/

FC killings give Maulana 'Sandwich' Strapless thighs or sleeveless tights. I'll leave it your imagination as to what this could mean in case of Maulana Herr Gandwich :mrgreen:
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Taliban Talks Stalled as Faction Claims Killing Security Men - Meena Menon, The Hindu
On Sunday night, the chief of the Mohmand faction Omar Khalid Khorasani issued a statement claiming that 23 men, captured from a check post in Shongari and held by his group since 2010, were killed by it in retaliation for ‘custodial deaths’ of Taliban men.

The letter did not specify when the killings took place. It also asked for the release of the Taliban prisoners.
Omar Khalid is a Kashmir veteran and operates in Mohmand, Bajaur and Peshawar. He occupied the tomb of the freedom fighter Haji Turangzai, an anti-British freedom fighter and a close friend of Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan, and made it his HQ. He renamed it as 'Lal Masjid' after the 2007 incidents. He joined TTP when it was formed. He has been the mastermind behind attacks in Peshawar and the ANP leaders. He is considered particularly brutal like his predecessor Jamil-al-Rahman who was so brutal that he had to be eliminated.
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Well folks, you heard it here first.

I must say that a generation of Indians born after 2000 will not see/have not seen the excitement and tension that India went though in 1971 before Pakistan split into two countries. But what we are seeing now is the de-facto splitting of what is left of Djinnah's Pakistan into two more states. The Emirate of Waziristan is reality no matter which way it is spun. The Durand line has been dissolved, and the Pakistani state is no longer in control of those territories and is unable to take them back.

We now have three countries where there was one. Bangladesh, Pakistan and Talibania (Waziristan)
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shiv wrote:Well folks, you heard it here first.
We now have three countries where there was one. Bangladesh, Pakistan and Tali-bania (Waziristan)
Pashtun have been told and they have realized that Afghanistan and Pashtuns can be much richer than lowly Banjabi braggers by proper using of the newly found natural resources of their own land. Karzai will go down in History as man who did the final blow to Djinnah's Poaqonoquioworld. They have figured out the value of Project Islam to finish Banjabi dream of Ummah's sword arm.
This is why Sindhi's are already making move to separate themselves from rest and Mohajirs trying to figure out their survival strategy.
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Talibanistan or as they call Islamic Emirate of Waziristan.
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