Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22 2015

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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by Agnimitra
jamhooriyat ik tarz e hukoomat hai ki jis mein
bandon ko ginaa karte hain, tolaa nahin karte

- Iqbal's reason for rejecting united India in which 'one man one vote' would prevail.
I am guessing that he wanted to weigh them instead based on their "Pakistaniyat"?

During british times only few top people could vote (less than 5 in each village) to propose anything towards their brit lords.


This from here
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1070630/a ... 992715.asp
Khushwant Singh on Iqbal and his ancestory

I am beholden to P.V. Rawal of Jammu for sending me a photograph of Allama Iqbal’s Kashmiri Brahmin family taken in Sialkot in 1931. At this time Iqbal was in his mid-fifties. He had already risen to the top as the greatest Urdu poet, at par with Mirza Asadullah Khan Ghalib. Although he was proud of his Brahmin descent, he had nothing to say about his Hindu relations. In this picture, the elderly lady seated in the middle is his grandmother, Indirani Sapru, nicknamed Poshi, wife of Pandit Kanhaya Lal Sapru. The man standing on the left in a shawl is Iqbal’s cousin, Amarnath Sapru; note the close resemblance to the poet.

The family traces its origin to one Birbal. They lived in the village of Saprain (hence, the surname Sapru) on Shopian-Kulgam road. Then the family moved to Srinagar where Iqbal and most of his cousins were born. Birbal had five sons and a daughter. The third one, Kanhaya Lal, and his wife, Indirani, had three sons and five daughters. Kanhaya Lal was Iqbal’s grandfather. His son, Rattan Lal, converted to Islam and was given the name Nur Mohammad. He married a Muslim woman — Imam Bibi. The Saprus disowned Rattan Lal and severed all connections with him. There are different versions of Rattan Lal’s conversion. The one given to me by Syeda Hameed, who has translated some of Iqbal’s poetry into English, maintains that Rattan Lal was the revenue collector of the Afghan governor of Kashmir. He was caught embezzling money. The governor offered him a choice: he should either convert to Islam or be hanged. Rattan Lal chose to stay alive. When the Afghan governor fled from Kashmir to escape its takeover by the Sikhs, Rattan Lal migrated to Sialkot. Imam Bibi was evidently a Sialkoti Punjabi. Iqbal was born in Sialkot on November 9, 1877. As often happens, the first generation of converts are more kattar than others. Iqbal thus grew up to be a devout Muslim. It is believed that once he called on his Hindu grandmother, then living in Amritsar. But there is no hard evidence of their meeting and of what passed between them; Iqbal did not write about it. Though he had many Hindu and Sikh friends and admirers, he felt that the future of Indian Muslims lay in having a separate state of their own. Iqbal was the principal ideologue of what later become Pakistan. Iqbal’s mother-tongue was Punjabi but he never wrote in it. He used only Persian and Urdu, as did many Urdu poets before him.

There are many aspects of Iqbal’s personal life which have not been fully researched by his biographers. We know he married two or three times and that his favourite son was Javed, who became a judge of the Lahore high court. Iqbal’s affair with Atia Faizi of Bombay when they met in London is well-known. There must have been some correspondence between them to show the kind of relationship they had. When in Heidelberg, he was taken up by his young German tutor, Emma Veganast. This secret was divulged by the mayor of Heidelberg in a speech in which he named a part of the bank of the river Neckar after him — Iqbal Weg. The Pakistani ambassador to Germany had the mayor’s speech mentioning the girl’s name suppressed. Iqbal and Emma continued to write to each other till the end of his life. The correspondence should be available in archives in Lahore and Heidelberg. Lovers of Iqbal, among whom I count myself, deserve to be presented with a fuller picture of their idol. We have biographies of Rabindranath Tagore revealing all his love affairs but none of the Allama telling us of the kind of man he was.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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Rajagopal wrote:i bring you happy tidings. :mrgreen:

No immediate chances of Indo-Pak cricket revival: Shukla

http://www.rediff.com/cricket/report/no ... 150522.htm\
Not sure why anyone on BRF should suddenly stop using the logic that was used (and is still being used in some posts) when the story that cricket with terroristan would be revived first appeared and caused a great deal of breast beating and funereal ululating on this thread. If we stay with that logic - this piece from cricinfo only means that Modi is losing control of his government and there are people speaking in two voices because after all it was a "BJP insider coming out of a parliamentary committee meeting" who informed the press that cricketing ties would be resumed. The government is about to fall. There is about to be a terrorist attack on the lines of 26/11. And there will be a coup in Pakistan. These are "predictions" that appear every now and again on BRF making this thread worth visiting once in two weeks to see what has changed.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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As Pakistan rejoices on the 'resumption' of visits to Pakistan by international cricket teams, it is worth remembering the following.

Australia, had not played even one test match in Pakistan since 1998 because of security concerns. In c. 2002, the New Zealand team abruptly left Karachi after a bomb blast killed 13 French nationals involved in buiding submarines over payments of bribe. They returned in 2003-2004 but did not come back after that. The last time India & England played in Pakistan was in 2005. The West Indies last played there in 2007 as were South Africa & Zimbabwe.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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shiv wrote:
Agnimitra wrote: bandon ko ginaa karte hain, tolaa nahin karte
Doesn't this literally mean "individuals are counted, but their weight is not taken into account"

If my interpretation is right, the meaning is not simply that the man did not want one man one vote. He wanted Muslims to be counted as a greater people. This is racism at its core.
Yes. All his "philosophy" was a mishmash of Nietzsche and Bhartrihari, and he spoke of an Islamic Ubermensch "mard-e-khaaki". The idea that a Muslim is a greater human being than the non-Muslim is part of Qur'anic belief.
A_Gupta wrote:Yes, and no. In some ways this is akin to the communist thought control. Not sure why we are so fearful.

Anyway, should we ban Urdu, too? I have previously pointed out that C.F. Naim wrote that there is a variety of Muslim "intellectual" who gets away with writing nonsense in Urdu because there is no non-Muslim who knows better who will point out the mistakes. We talk so bravely of reforming Islam or cornering it into non-viability, but we have given up a primary means of engaging the people we think we need to change. The reality is we have to engage with bad ideas and publish accessible refutations to them, and that is hard work.
Question remains - Clear exposes of Iqbal should have been popular in the mainstream discourse by now, shouldn't they? Why have none of our "intellectuals" worked on "deconstructing" Iqbal? Instead, it is still considered fashionable to quote him, and his "national song" is still trumpeted in the height of irony.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... sinessmen/

I don't believe any of the cr@p "reported" in the Indian Express nowadays, but this smells of chankian-osity of some sort, if this is not another bunch made-up BS from the Indian Express losers.
In a meeting held recently at the Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) to discuss the issue, the Intelligence Bureau (IB) reportedly opposed any such move.
“We have to live with reality, some checks and balances will have to be introduced. Since the PM has already made the announcement, it would be embarrassing now to go back on the propose,” said the official.
A knife that cuts both ways.
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Having sowed the wind of Mohammadden Terrorism under the leadership of the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Punjabi dominated Military in order to target India and Hindu’s, the Islamic Republic of Pakistan reaps the whirlwind of Mohammadden Terrorism within her own borders.

Eight cities from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan figure in the “Extreme Risk” category of Verisk Maplecroft’s 64 city “Global Alerts Dashboard” list.

These cities are Peshawar (7), Quetta (9), Hassu Khel (10), Karachi (16), Rawalpindi (27), Lahore (29), Sukkur (24) and Islamabad (44):

8 Pakistani cities feature in world's deadliest cities index
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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Tuvaluan wrote:http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... sinessmen/

I don't believe any of the cr@p "reported" in the Indian Express nowadays, but this smells of chankian-osity of some sort, if this is not another bunch made-up BS from the Indian Express losers.
In a meeting held recently at the Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) to discuss the issue, the Intelligence Bureau (IB) reportedly opposed any such move.
“We have to live with reality, some checks and balances will have to be introduced. Since the PM has already made the announcement, it would be embarrassing now to go back on the propose,” said the official.
A knife that cuts both ways.
but one has every faith in the amazing powers of the babucracy to bury this "proposal" under tons of red tape. This is nothing but an open invitation to the ISI to tailor the backgrounds of their "businessmen" a la headly.

our national moto should be " the only good paki is a dead paki"
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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ISIS claims it could buy its first nuclear weapon from Pakistan within 12 months - Heather Saul, The Independent
ISIS has used the latest issue of its propaganda magazine Dabiq to suggest the group is expanding so rapidly it could buy its first nuclear weapon within a year.

The hyperbolic article, which the group attributes to the British hostage John Cantlie, claims ISIS has transcended its roots as "the most explosive Islamic 'group' in the modern world" to evolve into "the most explosive Islamic movement the modern world has ever seen" in less than twelve months.

Photojournalist Cantlie is regularly used in the terror group's propaganda and has appeared in a number of videos, including a YouTube series called "Lend Me Your Ears". He has been held a hostage by ISIS for more than two years.

The piece, entitled "The Perfect Storm", describes militant Islamist groups such as Boko Haram, which recently pledged allegiance to ISIS, uniting across the Middle East, Africa and Asia to create one global movement.

The article claims this alignment of groups has happened at the sane time as ISIS militants have seized "tanks, rocket launchers, missile systems, anti-aircraft systems," from the US and Iran before turning to the subject of more extreme weapons the group is not in possession of — such as nuclear weapons.

"Let me throw a hypothetical operation onto the table," the article continues. "The Islamic State has billions of dollars in the bank, so they call on their wilayah in Pakistan to purchase a nuclear device through weapons dealers with links to corrupt officials in the region."

It admits that such a scenario is "far-fetched" but warns: "It's the sum of all fears for Western intelligence agencies and it's infinitely more possible today than it was just one year ago.

"And if not a nuke, what about a few thousand tons of ammonium nitrate explosive? That's easy enough to make."

An attack launched by ISIS against America would ridicule "the attacks of the past".

"They'll [ISIS] be looking to do something big, something that would make any past operation look like a squirrel shoot, and the more groups that pledge allegiance the more possible it becomes to pull off something truly epic.

"Remember, all of this has happened in less than a year. How more dangerous will be the lines of communication and supply a year on from today?"

The capacity of ISIS to acquire such a device is certainly beyond the group at the moment.

But ISIS is indeed a well funded group having secured a number of oilfields in Syria and Iraq. The group also sells artefacts looted from historic areas seized during its insurgency, sometimes for six figure sums, as well as imposing taxes on civilians trapped in its self-declared caliphate and other methods of extortion.

The finances of the group have been estimated by some to be in the $2billion area, though it is impossible to verify how much money it actually has access to.

The threats come against a mixed backdrop of successes and losses in both countries; the group has been driven out of Tikrit in Iraq but has overrun Ramaldi and the Syrian ancient city of Palmyra.

A recent call to arms from its leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi also appeared to suggest it may be overstretched in some areas, with his speech urging supporters from across the world to travel to its territories in the Middle East.

In September last year, the home secretary, Theresa May, warned that the militant group could become the world's first "truly terrorist state".

"We will see the risk, often prophesied but thank God not yet fulfilled, that with the capability of a state behind them, the terrorists will acquire chemical, biological or even nuclear weapons to attack us," she said.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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Iqbal meant that people (read hordes of muslims) matter in their numbers, not in the quality of human resource that they are.
Demographics, votes, wars. Numbers matter everywhere.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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ok, so the massacre of 50 ismailis at safoora, karachi was done by IJT and not MQM or RAW or Mossad or Afghans or Iranians or CIA.

Pure homegrown maal.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1183443

also involved in murder of sabeen mahmud since she had in past opposed lal masjid cleric.

Saad Aziz, the Islamist who murdered secular activist #SabeenMahmud, is a graduate of Pakistan's top business school IBA.

Tahir Hussain Minhas, one of suspects in Sabeen Mahmud's killing, was earlier involved in killing of a Hindu in 2007
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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maybe we should have a counter at the start of the thread to keep track of how many less we need to deal with finally.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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A_Gupta wrote:http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/national/2 ... enate-told
"Zarb-e-Azb has cost Rs 1.44tr to national kitty, Senate told".
Citing reports, the FATA senator made startling revelations about the expenditure on the ongoing military offensive Zarb-e-Azb in tribal areas to cleanse the area from terrorists, saying the operation has so far cost Rs 1.44 trillion to the national kitty. The intelligence-based crackdown on criminals and terrorists in Karachi to purge the city of terrorists and criminals, he said Rs 22.49 trillion have so far been spent.
Do they even know what a trillion is? I mean no way it could have cost them $220 biilion.
you don't get it, it is .72 + .72 . All variashuns of IED methodology
completely halal number
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/spor ... 393391.cms
"Need India's support to bring back cricket in Pak: Shahryar Khan"
Has there been any development on the India-Pakistan series front?

We are very hopeful of the tour. I have had fruitful meetings with BCCI president Jagmohan Dalmiya who is a very good friend of mine, and finance minister Arun Jaitley. I have got a positive response from their front, and we are awaiting a green signal from the government of India.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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SSridhar wrote:ISIS claims it could buy its first nuclear weapon from Pakistan within 12 months - Heather Saul, The Independent
ISIS has used the latest issue of its propaganda magazine Dabiq to suggest the group is expanding so rapidly it could buy its first nuclear weapon within a year.
IF Nuke Goes off anywhere on planet in next few years , 400% chance , it came from Pakistani Khanmart and not from NOKO. Will ISIS lend one to Uighur Bro too ?
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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SSridhar wrote:ISIS claims it could buy its first nuclear weapon from Pakistan within 12 months - Heather Saul, The Independent
ISIS has used the latest issue of its propaganda magazine Dabiq to suggest the group is expanding so rapidly it could buy its first nuclear weapon within a year.
Jhujar wrote: IF Nuke Goes off anywhere on planet in next few years , 400% chance , it came from Pakistani Khanmart and not from NOKO. Will ISIS lend one to Uighur Bro too ?
Given the fact that no one knows who is true Muslim (IS/AQ/TTP/Sunni/Shia/Ahmedi/Raw/RSS/VHP you name it) anymore, any nuke glow anywhere in the world is a Paki asset. After all Paki nuke is Islamic bum.

My sources say Evil-YYY gang already procured 5-6 paki nukes and are going celebrate Diwali in unexpected places anytime!
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Agnimitra wrote: Question remains - Clear exposes of Iqbal should have been popular in the mainstream discourse by now, shouldn't they? Why have none of our "intellectuals" worked on "deconstructing" Iqbal? Instead, it is still considered fashionable to quote him, and his "national song" is still trumpeted in the height of irony.
Iqbal wrote his national song before he went abroad for education. Living overseas changed Jinnah, Iqbal, M.K. Gandhi. In the case of Gandhi after a brief try at being an Englishman, it sent him in search of his Indic roots. With Jinnah and Iqbal, it increased their disdain for their Indic roots and they sought alternatives. We know where they ended up. If Jinnah could have been an Englishman, that would probably have been his first preference.
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Taraana-e-Hindi, 1904.
http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/prit ... _text.html?

Taraana-e-Milli, 1910, after European stay.
http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/prit ... _text.html
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Top Indian players would not visit Pakistan: Sunil Gavaskar

Former Indian captain Sunil Gavaskar said that top Indian players would reject the idea of visiting Pakistan for a tour after what happened with Sri Lanka in 2009.

Gavaskar also said Zimbabwe’s tour of Pakistan was a baby step towards the revival of international cricket in Pakistan.

“Whatever the country’s Boards may decide, I am sure not many top Indian players would like to go there and play if they are asked today, After what happened in 2009, most players would refuse to tour the country,” Gavaskar told NDTV.

When asked about how does he feel about Zimbabwe’s tour of Pakistan, he said, “It will be just a baby step. There are more steps required before it can say that international cricket is back in Pakistan.

The batting legend added that it will be good for the youngsters of Pakistan to see their heroes live in action.

“It is good for the young Pakistanis to see their heroes play in front of their eyes in flesh and blood in the national colours,” said Gavaskar.

The Sri Lankan cricket team attack took place in March 2009, when the bus carrying the cricketers, was fired upon by 12 gunmen, near the Gaddafi Stadium in Lahore.

The cricketers were on their way to play the third day of the second Test against Pakistan. Six members of the Sri Lanka national cricket team were injured, while six Pakistani policemen and two civilians were killed.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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Only Pakistan has the right to use terrorists?

Pakistan decries India's admission of involvement in cross-border terrorism

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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^Yes but that was extremely stupid of Manohar Parikkar to say something like that. Do whatever it takes but refrain from loose talks.
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Who gives a damn about what the pakis or the american/british wankers think? Let the pakis go shoot some more pakis pretending they are Indian agents or whatever....it is not like they have not been killing Indians at every opportunity so far in India and Afghanisthan. As for Mr. Parikkar, unlike the useless turd AK Anthony, he is increasing Indian defence capabilities and that matters more than what he may or may not have said. Personally, I don't believe a thing reported by the lying, paki-loving scumbags in the Indian english media -- this is not the first time the Indian Express or Hindu has put their own spin on what was actually said by leaders in the current regime.
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Dipanker wrote:^Yes but that was extremely stupid of Manohar Parikkar to say something like that. Do whatever it takes but refrain from loose talks.
There is method in madness . Parikkar is not stupid. 3Billion Dollars budgeted to teach Paki lesson have to be spent on good people there. No better way than public advertisement to attract good applicants. The day is not far when GOI will be able to afford the $$ amount equal to official Paki defence budget.
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Dipanker wrote:^Yes but that was extremely stupid of Manohar Parikkar to say something like that. Do whatever it takes but refrain from loose talks.
Are you saying doing terrorism in Pakistan is ok as long as we don't say it loud? *Deleted*

JHujar the budget is increased to $7.2B.
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Reason: RamaY, I have deleted an offensive part of your post. Be careful with your articulations.
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Jhujar wrote:
Dipanker wrote:^Yes but that was extremely stupid of Manohar Parikkar to say something like that. Do whatever it takes but refrain from loose talks.
There is method in madness . Parikkar is not stupid. 3Billion Dollars budgeted to teach Paki lesson have to be spent on good people there. No better way than public advertisement to attract good applicants. The day is not far when GOI will be able to afford the $$ amount equal to official Paki defence budget.

I fully appreciate what is being done. I think the approach has already made a discernible difference from the days of UPA, and it is gratifying to see the Paki and their proxies in the valley cowering down.

I just wish Parikar had chosen his words little bit more carefully. And if the same message had to be made public it could have been done at a lower level of administration.
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RamaY wrote:
Dipanker wrote:^Yes but that was extremely stupid of Manohar Parikkar to say something like that. Do whatever it takes but refrain from loose talks.
Are you saying doing terrorism in Pakistan is ok as long as we don't say it loud? *Deleted*

JHujar the budget is increased to $7.2B.

I am saying do whatever it takes but just don't openly blurt out things like "We will sponsor terrorists to kill terrorists", and certainly not at the highest level of administration.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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Agree, Parriker sahib should not advertise our plans, because now deniability has been lost.
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Guddu wrote:Agree, Parriker sahib should not advertise our plans, because now deniability has been lost.
Do you think Pakistanis will figure out which four core commandoos and list of LeT, SeS members on indian payroll? All I am afraid of is that Afghan Ghani who converted to Hinduism 7yrs 2months ago :(
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Not to mention that the Pak fauj and LET mid levels were selling off the location of their infiltrators to Kaabiz Bharti Fauj across the LOC.
Then kaabiz bharti fauj would enounter the LET caders right after they crossed the LOC.

Tut Tut... Everyone is compromised in Pakistan
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Gagan wrote:Tut Tut... Everyone is compromised in Pakistan
Not everyone is compromised in Pakistan. There still are at least 7 core commanders who are willing to do jihad against Hindu India.

My sources say a big fish Hamid is compromised. Not sure if it is Zaid Hamid.
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If I was a jernail in Bakistan with intention to do jeeeehard on the yeeevil yindooos, that comment by the Indian RM will make me brown my shalwar a bit. Since I will have to now watch my back each day and wonder whether its today that I am destined by Allah (PBUH) to meet my 72 raisins.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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Parrikar said that we will act against terrorists.
Pakistan protests (although Parrikar did not name Pakistan directly).
Thus Pakistan finally acknowledges that it is a terrorist country.
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Bakistan fauj is spending too much time in KP in the sun trying to fight TTP. Their salwars would have lost color in the sun.
Brown staining oph their shalwars is a welcome development for them too.
It also gives a faint fragrance oph their nationhood, which they so miss
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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Guddu wrote:Agree, Parriker sahib should not advertise our plans, because now deniability has been lost.
Not really. If Hafiz Suar gets heart attack like Elvis, inquiring minds will wonder and stop going to pakistan. Wait they are already there.
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Also the phrase 'kante ko kante se nikala jata' is from a Sanskrit sloka. Its quoted in Mahabharat
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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ramana wrote:Also the phrase 'kante ko kante se nikala jata' is from a Sanskrit sloka. Its quoted in Mahabharat

But he himself explained its meaning in English and said "we should use a terrorist to neutralize terrorist. Why waste a soldier". I saw his video. Was it foolish? Not in my opinion.It goes against Nehruvian policy of mollycodling Pakistan and hence Hallagulla.
"The comments of our defence minister are condemnable. We don't believe in using terror against terror," Dev(Con Spokie) told reporters here.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... aign=cppst
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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A_Gupta wrote:
Iqbal wrote his national song before he went abroad for education. Living overseas changed Jinnah, Iqbal, M.K. Gandhi. In the case of Gandhi after a brief try at being an Englishman, it sent him in search of his Indic roots. With Jinnah and Iqbal, it increased their disdain for their Indic roots and they sought alternatives. We know where they ended up. If Jinnah could have been an Englishman, that would probably have been his first preference.l
That is an interesting sociological comment

The British view put British/European values at the top of the heap and "Indic values" were junk. The internalization of such an attitude would have been essential for becoming "British". A pale version of this exists in Indian education and that is the education I had (which I tend to call Macaulayization). But no alien born person could become fully British and Gandhi and Jinnah surely realized that. Gandhi of course realized early on that rejection of British values and a return to Indian ones would mean conflict and he was ready for that conflict.

Jinnah on the other hand did not consider himself "Indic" enough. He may not have been accepted as totally British, but he was not Indic. He probably saw himself (like many Ashraf Muslims) as outsiders who were sitting in India with a mandate to dominate. Islam was his only way out and his idea that people could be tolerant secular and Islamic was only mental masturbation where he played out hiw own ability to be British as something that every UP and Bihari Muslim could emulate.

As long as any Muslim sees himself as a temporary guest in India with the entitlement to rule or be treated as a special guest - he will only be treated as Pakistani and pointed towards Pakistan. Those Muslims who see themselves as India with Indic roots will meld with the rest.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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gandharva wrote:
ramana wrote:Also the phrase 'kante ko kante se nikala jata' is from a Sanskrit sloka. Its quoted in Mahabharat

But he himself explained it's meaning in English and said "we should use a terrorist to neutralize terrorist. Why waste a soldier". I saw his video. Was it foolish not in my opinion.It goes against Nehruvian policy of mollycodling Pakistan and hence Hallagulla.

"The comments of our defence minister are condemnable. We don't believe in using terror against terror," Dev(Con Spokie) told reporters here.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... aign=cppst
Paki Taliban are called as "terrorists" by Pakistan
Afghan Taliban are called as "terrorists" by USA (and Afghanistan recently)
Any Taliban is called as "terrorists" by International community

Parikkar wants to use terrorists to kill terrorists. He is just using the internationally accepted terminology. All he means is that India will increase humanitarian aid to Afghanistan govt now that USA is packing off from Afghanistan.

This will appear to outsiders "Terrorists (from Paki PoV) killing Terrorists (Indian PoV)".

I know it's all complicated for people who aren't trained & certified in Benis dhaga.... Sri Parikkar passed out of Benis "summa cum laude"!
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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Guddu wrote:Agree, Parriker sahib should not advertise our plans, because now deniability has been lost.
Only if we want to remain always on the moral high pedestal like we did for so long. But, Pakistan cannot complain for the following reasons

On innumerable occasions, Pakistani Prime Ministers, Presidents, COASs, ex-COASs, Generals, jihadi tanzeem heads, Islamists, political leaders, so-called strategic analysts, newspaper editors have openly admitted to jihadi terrorism against India. They have always justified it. From Jinnah to Musharraf, they have always admitted to the role of jihadists, haven't they? The ISI started off with 'plausible deniability' and by c. 1993 was no longer careful about maintaining that stance as the RDX, grenades & weapons were traced to Pakistan in spite of the US efforts to conceal that fact as much as possible. It is long since now that the ISI deliberately leaves clues and evidences in its operations as teasers for us and the rest of the world.

But, I do not even think that Parrikar meant it that way.
"kante se kanta nikalna.Why can't we do it? We should do it. Why does my soldier have to do it?"

Was he even referring to Pakistan ? I thought the context was internal, not even external. Why is Pakistan hyperventilating?

But, even if he was referring to Pakistan, this Terror Map (though dated by now)should be the reason why.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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What is wrong with saying that you will use terrorists against terrorists?
Where does it imply that we will PAY and EMPLOY these said terrorists on our payroll hain ji?

Parrikar never said we will use terrorists against the Pakistani state or the innocent pakistani citizen.

All is Halal AFAIK
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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First we need to decide weather a terrorist is an acceptable phenomenon, and what is the punishment for a terrorist who has killed.
If we agree that terrorism must be eliminated and a terrorist who has killed is punishable by death if his punishment amounts to such, then it should be alright for a government to use means that will bring these terrorists to justice.

India is NOT fighting a battle for territory, land or riches here. It is (offensive) defense of our citizens.

Why all this dukh dard hain ji?
As a jingo, it is heartening that a GOI minister says something as it should be said. I fully support him saying that.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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We are fighting a battle for territory, land, riches, and (offensive) defense of our citizens good sir.

All will come when Pakistan crumbles.

Killing a few terrorist leaders wont do anything especially when the jihadi-military complex is alive and kicking.
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