Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016
Posted: 22 Sep 2016 11:48
by GShankar
RoyG wrote:China will begin putting pressure on our NE front. Watch.
I think this specific deployment (operation URI) from "ISoosaI Labs" has been sponsored by Chinese to punish India for talking about interfering in Baluchistan and POK.
If Indian Spl. Forces have entered POK, then additional pricks from chinese would have been factored in.
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016
Posted: 22 Sep 2016 11:53
by SSridhar
We have to also remind the UN that the UNSC-1267 sanctioned Hafeez Saeed is roaming around freely in the country giving jihadi speeches, collecting funds for operations against India, participating in meetings with Army Generals, visiting forward areas to arrange infiltration of terrorists into India and his UNSC-1267 sanctioned JuD is enjoying patronage from the Punjab Government, recruiting people for jihad, brainwashing & training them and is operating without let or hindrance. The Pakistani government is duplicitous even with the UNSC on this issue.
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016
Posted: 22 Sep 2016 11:54
by Amber G.
I added a video link of Eenam Gambhir's response in the post above... A must watch as NS is destroyed in just about 3 minutes.
Wow!
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016
Posted: 22 Sep 2016 12:10
by Amber G.
RoyG wrote:China will begin putting pressure on our NE front. Watch.
IMO, we're heading for war in less than 3 years.
Time will tell but I don't think China is going to fight Pak's wars. ..As we speak India is putting all it's diplomatic skills to make china see the reason.... lot of activity between India/China at diplomatic level .. (They are saying to them they can cooperate with Pak economically etc..as long as they do not support pak's terror)..We will see more when China's premier visit India a few weeks from now for Brics.
China's UN address did NOT mention Kashmir (or vitriol against India).. there was no overt support to Pak (despite what Pak says)..With all the effort they made to talk to one-on-one on all the world leaders, except Turkey no one else gave them even a H&D saving grace.
For NYTimes and few rags the habit will be hard to break but from what I see, even the known Paki apologists in US Gov are not sticking out their neck for Pak at present... Obama refused to even meet NS ... even Kerry (who was honored with nishan-e pakistan) is not willing to make any statement about Kashmir.
Just my views
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016
Posted: 22 Sep 2016 12:11
by RoyG
AmberG,
India is embarking on the most intense diplomatic offensive in its history.
India is going to demand three things from Pakistan:
1) Prosecute/hand over terror leaders and financiers
2) Dismantle terror Infra
3) End to printing of fake currency notes
They won't deliver on anything obviously so I think India will up the ante in the next few months by pulling out of the Indus Water Treaty. By adhering to the treaty we are legitimizing Pakistan's claim to Kashmir itself. ****** em.
Meanwhile, begin supplying the Afghans and get the Balochistan office going in New Delhi. Afterwards begin the project of raising a Baloch regiment. Work w/ the Afghans and position them on their Western border.
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016
Posted: 22 Sep 2016 12:19
by LokeshC
asgkhan wrote:RundeeTv Presstitute comes crawling out of Heera Mandi.
Why Modi Must Continue Showing Patience With Pak
-----snip------
Imagine the boom-boom of trade and trucks across the Wagah-Attari border and Khokrapar-Munabao as well as across several points of the Line of Control.
----blah blah blah-----
The bolded part is what I agree with her, probably the only thing. The "BOOM-BOOM" trading using trucks, cars and humans is the only constant in Bakistan. I think they have a strong internal demand for boom-boom and they do not need India to support their local boom-boom economy.
Where do these clowns come up with such terms.
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016
Posted: 22 Sep 2016 12:19
by RoyG
Amber G. wrote:
RoyG wrote:China will begin putting pressure on our NE front. Watch.
IMO, we're heading for war in less than 3 years.
Time will tell but I don't think China is going to fight Pak's wars. ..As we speak India is putting all it's diplomatic skills to make china see the reason.... lot of activity between India/China at diplomatic level .. (They are saying to them they can cooperate with Pak economically etc..as long as they do not support pak's terror)..We will see more when China's premier visit India a few weeks from now for Brics.
China's UN address did NOT mention Kashmir (or vitriol against India).. there was no overt support to Pak (despite what Pak says)..With all the effort they made to talk to one-on-one on all the world leaders, except Turkey no one else gave them even a H&D saving grace.
For NYTimes and few rags the habit will be hard to break but from what I see, even the known Paki apologists in US Gov are not sticking out their neck for Pak at present... Obama refused to even meet NS ... even Kerry (who was honored with nishan-e pakistan) is not willing to make any statement about Kashmir.
Just my views
We won't be going to war against China. It will be a war to beat Afghan proxies and Iranians to land. The Chinese can only pressure and at the most we'll be fighting a border/cyber conflict w/ them. Nothing more.
If China loses Pakistan, India will be shifting most of its strategic and conventional assets to the North. This scares the shit out of them. Also, we are slowly positioning ourselves along w/ Japan as leaders of a Buddhist alliance. They missed the boat on it.
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016
Posted: 22 Sep 2016 12:23
by Amber G.
Meanwhile with all the Paki press reports about China supporting "Pakistan on Kashmir" in their meeting with NS..
The official press release by China:
Updated: Sep 22,2016 12:02 AM english.gov.cn
Premier Li Keqiang met with Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif on Sept 21 and discussed economic cooperation between China and Pakistan.
Pragmatic cooperation on the China-Pakistan economic corridor has achieved positive progress, Premier Li said.
He also said that he hopes both countries can implement the construction plan of the economic corridor and strengthen cooperation in projects related to people’s livelihoods and public welfare, so that the cooperation can bring benefits to the people of the two countries.
>>> No Mention of Kashmir ! (Similar story by US, UK with their meeting with NS)..
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016
Posted: 22 Sep 2016 12:27
by pankajs
China will provide armament support to the Bakis but never fight for them. In '71 it did nothing even when urged by the US.
While withdrawing from IWT is fine just don't talk of *stopping* water flow to Bakis. It is self defeating in more than one ways. We could get away with blocking karachi or lobbing a few atim bums on Pindi but the world will not tolerate a threat to starve close to 200 million people. In one stroke we will *push* the whole world on Bakis side against India.
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016
Posted: 22 Sep 2016 13:07
by Amber G.
RoyG: For our Chinese Friends I will post Gambhir's video in their language, so that they can understand...Now do you really think they want a TSP?/:) <UN TV Chinese Version
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016
Posted: 22 Sep 2016 13:11
by svenkat
LokeshC wrote:
The bolded part is what I agree with her, probably the only thing. The "BOOM-BOOM" trading using trucks, cars and humans is the only constant in Bakistan. I think they have a strong internal demand for boom-boom and they do not need India to support their local boom-boom economy.
Where do these clowns come up with such terms.
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016
Posted: 22 Sep 2016 14:09
by LokeshC
Snob presstitute on Time wrote:The Uri attack is seen as the last straw, with India’s Prime Minister Narendra Modi under public pressure to respond in kind. However, after being warned against reckless military retaliation by government and military officials (both India and Pakistan possess nuclear weapons), he appears to have opted for diplomatic censure instead.
Looks like this house slave is patting massas back for civilizing yeevil Modi.
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016
Posted: 22 Sep 2016 14:36
by g.sarkar
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 459382.cms?
Pakistan stock markets on shaky ground as India takes firm stand
Shubhodeep Chakravarty | TNN | Updated: Sep 22, 2016, 02.10 PM IST
EW DELHI: The spiraling tension+ between Indian and Pakistan took a toll on the later's stock market on Wednesday with the Karachi Stock Exchange plummeting 569 points to close at 39,771.
Local market analysts believe that drills by Pakistan Air Force - suggestive of preparations against any aggression by India in the aftermath of the Uri attack last week - drove small investors to run for cover. According to Dawn, individual small investors dealing with 'penny stocks' were responsible for panic selling. Former Karachi Stock Exchange chairman Arif Habib blamed the 'hype' surrounding a possible confrontation with India as the primary cause behind Wednesday's fall.
Tensions between the two neighbours have spiked since Sunday when four terrorists stormed an Indian Army camp in Uri and killed 18 soldiers before being gunned down. Pakistani media late on Wednesday reported that airspace over the country's northern areas was shut down. State-run Pakistan International Airline also cancelled flights to Gilgit-Baltistan, Chitral, Gilgit and Skardu. Instead, flights by Pakistan Air Force (PAF) fueled the speculative fire of a possible confrontation with India. A military official though was quoted by Dawn as saying that the PAF flights were routine training exercises....
Gautam
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016
Posted: 22 Sep 2016 14:42
by prahaar
Time magazine sounds like a Jihadi mouthpiece: "separatist leader Wani". Not surprised.
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016
Posted: 22 Sep 2016 18:08
by rsingh
Amber G. wrote:One can't even make such stuff up... Beti tweets with a picture..:
(Same picture was tweeted by Paki UN rep Lodhi!!!
To that a well known popular expert replies:
Gen Raheel Shareef @GernailSaab 10h10 hours ago
Gen Raheel Shareef Retweeted Maryam Nawaz Sharif But intel sources tell me, he’s not wearing a green chaddi; thus proved he a gaddar :/
(Enquiring minds want to know, why he is there with his WHOLE family beti/bibi )
phone conversation: transcripts
N. shrif: So if I ready this paper you gave me..........can I come back home.
R;shrif : Stay in London for few days.......let me consult with Chinese. BTW did you got my visa arrangements ?
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016
Posted: 22 Sep 2016 18:13
by JwalaMukhi
NS speech at UN was witnessed by less than a dozen inclusive of NDTV, the paki news channel. Looks like his speech is getting more eyeballs just because SDREs are the ones looking at it and promoting it either for fun, derision or otherwise. Even free food and drinks didn't get many people in NY assembly
P.S. did not spend more than 3 seconds on NS speech, except glean at a photoshot showing empty seats.
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016
Posted: 22 Sep 2016 18:38
by chetak
GShankar wrote:
RoyG wrote:China will begin putting pressure on our NE front. Watch.
I think this specific deployment (operation URI) from "ISoosaI Labs" has been sponsored by Chinese to punish India for talking about interfering in Baluchistan and POK.
If Indian Spl. Forces have entered POK, then additional pricks from chinese would have been factored in.
I agree. The han hand is visible and their statements after the uri attack also reflects their primary concern for the CPEC.
The han will be the biggest losers because if the case goes for international arbitration, they have already lost one big case which has rattled them considerably.
Also, their one belt one pant scheme has been going on from 1959, under one pretext or the other, and only recently has been revealed to the world.
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016
Posted: 22 Sep 2016 18:40
by Sicanta
Indus Waters Treaty with Pak: For any treaty to work, there is need for mutual trust and cooperation says MEA
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016
Posted: 22 Sep 2016 18:48
by deejay
My piece on India's options post Uri and related issues:
This, then, could partly explain why a disconcerted Nawaz gave India juicy full tosses which were duly hit out of the park. While addressing the UNGA, PM Nawaz said: "Confrontation should not be our destiny in South Asia, Pakistan wants peace with India. I have gone the extra mile to achieve this, repeatedly offering a dialogue to address all outstanding issues. But India has posed unacceptable preconditions to engage in a dialogue." {Surely in this day and age no one can characterize call to "end terrorism" as an unacceptable preconditions.}
It is astonishing that Nawaz's speech-writers in Rawalpindi didn't think this through. Vikas Swarup, spokesperson of India's Ministry of External Affairs, tweeted soon after: "PM Sharif at #UNGA says India poses unacceptable conditions to dialogue. India's only condition is an end to terrorism. This not acceptable?"
<snip>
"Burhan Wani," said Nawaz during the address, "the young leader murdered by Indian forces, has emerged as the symbol of the latest Kashmiri Intifada."{A self-proclaimed member of an UN designated terror organization is a hero? Which country will back that position openly hainji? But ofcourse Nawaz is more worried about covering his ass else his vizza will be stamped.}
As far as self-inflicted wounds go, this would rank among the deepest. A Pakistan Prime Minister, while straining hard to convince the world from a UN platform that it "condemns terrorism in all its forms" in the same breath hailed the commander of a known terrorist outfit Hizbul Mujaheedin as a "hero". It may have been a not-so-subtle way of inciting more violence in Kashmir but in the process, Pakistan made its position a little more untenable before the global stage and pushed itself further into a corner.
MJ Akbar called it "self incrimination by Pakistan PM" while Vikas Swarup called it "glorifying a terrorist".
Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016
BEIJING: China on Thursday distanced itself from Pakistani media reports which claimed that Premier Li Keqiang had conveyed China's backing to Pakistan on the Kashmir issue during his meeting with Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif.
"Premier Li Keqiang of the State Council met with Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif on September 21 in New York. They exchanged views on bilateral relations as well as international and regional issues of common interest," Chinese Foreign Ministry Spokesman Lu Kang said when asked about reports that Li extended support to Pakistan's stance on Kashmir.
"The issue of Kashmir is an issue left over from history. Our stance on that is consistent. We hope that parties concerned will pursue a peaceful settlement through dialogue," Lu said when asked about the Pakistani media reports.
Pakistan's Dawn News reported that China endorses Pakistan's stance on Kashmir and Li had assured that China would continue to support Pakistan's stance on Kashmir.
Li, while meeting Prime Minister Sharif on the sidelines of UN General Assembly, was quoted by the daily as saying, "We support Pakistan and we will speak for Pakistan at every forum."
Similar reports were carried by other Pakistani media like Geo TV claiming China's backing as Sharif made unsuccessful attempts to shore up support for Pakistan's rhetoric on Kashmir.
China also voiced concerns over the rising tensions in Kashmir after Uri attack and sought "effective" measures from New Delhi and Islamabad to ensure the safety of foreigners, including the Chinese, working on the USD 46 billion China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC).
Asked whether China is concerned about safety of hundreds of its personnel working on CPEC amid reports that Pakistan has cancelled flights to areas in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK) due to "air space restrictions" in the wake of Uri terrorist attack, Lu said, "the Chinese side is concerned about the tension in Kashmir".
"We hope that parties concerned will exercise restraint, peacefully resolve difference through dialogue, avoid escalating tension and work jointly for peace and stability of the region," he said.
About the concerns of safety of Chinese workers, Lu said, "We also hope that effective means will be taken by parties concerned to ensure the safety and normal life of local people and citizens from other countries including China".
Lu's comments came in the backdrop of a sense of disquiet here over Pakistan escalating tensions in Kashmir as Beijing faces a complex situation over CPEC -- one of its biggest overseas projects. India has lodged repeated protests over the project which passes through PoK.
Cheers
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016
Posted: 22 Sep 2016 19:42
by SSridhar
deejay wrote:Your critique is welcome.
deejay, well written.
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016
Posted: 22 Sep 2016 19:44
by SBajwa
Icing on the cake will be if she reads out the names of the 18 who died.
Why not show the names of all the victims from IC814 hijacked till date? (we can go even before to 1993 Mumbai bombings).
Sandeep
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016
Posted: 22 Sep 2016 19:45
by deejay
madhu wrote:
deejay wrote:My piece on India's options post Uri and related issues:
NEW DELHI: Congress on Thursday slammed Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif for his Kashmir rant and glorifying terrorist Burhan Wani at the UN and said External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj should give a strong and a befitting reply when she addresses the world body on Monday.
The main opposition party said the government should build a strong and factual case for India in front of the International community and wanted Prime Minister Narendra Modi to consult all political parties before deciding on "concrete and tangible steps" in the wake of the Pakistani onslaught.{If they don't trust Modi to do the right thing why did they not do something in the 10 years they had? But theek hai, an all party meet can also present a united front on this issue}
"Conspiratorial omission to Uri Attack in his speech is a public admission of guilt by Pakistan, of its direct involvement in this act of cowardice. There was nothing new in his address, except glorification of terrorists and extremism which Pakistan has adopted as 'state policy'," Congress' chief spokesman Randeep Singh Surjewala said here.
In "glorifying" a terrorist like Burhan Wani, a Hizbul Mujahideen commander who was killed in an encounter with security forces on July 8, Sharif only reiterated where his and his country's sympathies and support lies, he added.
"The international community must now understand fully that it is not only terrorists in Kashmir that Pakistan supports but its state policy is to provide an umbrella support and sustenance to all those who wreck havoc across the world, including in France, Bangladesh, USA, Britain and Belgium......," he added.{Why do I get the impression that this tirade was triggered because of the strong response by the Indian rep at UNGA and the aggressive diplomacy of this government that has started yielding benefits on the diplomatic field. Not only that but polls show that mango Indians appreciate Modi's efforts on this.}
"We are confident that an already wary international community has seen through Pakistan's vile designs", he said.
Surjewala ridiculed Sharif's claim of an 'intifada' (uprising) in the Kashmir valley and said his "conspiratorial omission" to Uri Attack is a public admission of guilt.
"In citing 'intifada' in Kashmir, Nawaz Sharif looks like that emperor who plays flute while his entire country, right from Khyber to Balochistan to Sindh is up in a violent intifada against his nation state," the Congress leader said.
Describing Pakistan as a 'renegade state' that has emerged as the 'central processing unit' (CPU) of global terror, he said in what has now become habitual, Sharif again invoked Kashmir at a multilateral forum, despite Pakistan being a signatory to the Shimla Accord.
Surjewala said the Modi government has "followed" the Congress-UPA's policy in raising the issue of human rights violations in Balochistan and now it is imperative for India to sensitize the International Community and the UN with this issue.{Now he is being really naughty. Apart from SeS were else did they raise it. And wasn't Aug15 reference a self goal, per them and other sickulars, a little while back. But ofcourse every thing is fair in politics.}
"We urge upon the Prime Minister and the government to consult all political parties in taking a concrete and tangible step on this," he added.
While expecting Swaraj to give a befitting reply to Sharif's speech at the UN General Assembly, Surjewala took a jibe, saying this is imperative as the External Affairs Minister was not present in nearly all the initial meetings held to assess the situation and review security chaired either by Prime Minister or other Ministers.
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016
“Pakistan continues to deny justice to the victims of its violence. What it loses in return is faith,” said Ms. Bhutto on her Twitter handle, underlining the violence that rages among Pakistan’s various groups.
Ms. Bhutto was in her teens when her father was gunned down outside their house.
“My father’s killers continue to serve at the highest levels of the Pakistani police and state. Besides protecting them, Pakistan has continually rewarded the police who killed 7 men, including an elected MP, on Sept 20, 1996,” Ms. Bhutto said.
“The state of Pakistan has ensured that the killers of 7 men that night were kept free.’’
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016
As of right now, Gwadar is not even a city. As of right now, Gwadar has no drinking water, almost no electricity, little or no educational facilities and little or no health facilities. As of right now, Gwadar has none of the stuff that most cities do. As of right now, Gwadar has no right to be even called a ‘city’. As for the future, our ‘most prosperous mega city’ is being built on Chinese illusions more than anything else. Will the Chinese bring their own supply of drinking water?
Yes, ‘time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so’.
Cheers
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016
Posted: 22 Sep 2016 21:35
by Gagan
Note how inbred, low IQ these Paki news media is. In this short video, they've totally messed up the facts. I can spot some 15 errors and outright lies right away!
The other thing to note is that they repeatedly bring up Sikh in their news reports. I am pretty sure, they have some plans in place for the upcoming punjab elections. They are openly batting for the Khalistanis and possibly the Aam Aadmi Party on the sly.
Pakistani mentally bankrupt media blaming India for Uri army base attack
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016
Posted: 22 Sep 2016 21:41
by pankajs
They are trying to console themselves. Nawaz, in his address, just handed India a few more points that will be used to further isolate them.
They themselves accept that no one supports the point of view anymore. Let them spin a few more stories for their mango abduls. Let them have their little *victory*.
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016
Posted: 22 Sep 2016 21:45
by RoyG
Sicanta wrote:Indus Waters Treaty with Pak: For any treaty to work, there is need for mutual trust and cooperation says MEA
So far my predictions are coming true. Indus Water treaty gives legitimacy to Pakistan's claims over Kashmir by making them a stakeholder in sharing of water resources. Simply pull out of the treaty.
Its clear that India was going to begin climbing up the diplomatic escalation ladder starting w/ UNGA so the Paksitani's thought they could kill a few troops before and preempt it to show India's weakness.
Sanctions are the next rung.
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016
Posted: 22 Sep 2016 21:46
by pankajs
Sanctions by *just* India won't matter.
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016
Posted: 22 Sep 2016 21:52
by RoyG
Obviously, global sanctions. Also, Indian gov is a lot more powerful than you think. Sanctions from our end can hurt many players in the country.
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016
Posted: 22 Sep 2016 21:54
by pankajs
What do Bakis import from India that cannot be bought from outside at say an extra 1 or 2% ? Importing from India does save a little on the transportation cost.
Last I read US was not for any coercive action against Bakis and that rules out the western world. And then there is China, the biggest world supplier of almost everything.
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016
Posted: 22 Sep 2016 21:58
by RoyG
Players, not the country. Hawala operators are kings and Pakistan mafiosi are invested in real estate, bollywood, etc. They have their hands in the cookie jar.
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016
Posted: 22 Sep 2016 21:59
by pankajs
Hawla operators will stop China from supplying Bakis?
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016
Posted: 22 Sep 2016 22:04
by RoyG
Will a cross border raid? Why do anything at all?
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016
Posted: 22 Sep 2016 22:08
by pankajs
Now I get it! Moving on to the next item.
I don't think cancelling MFN will do any good but it has a lot of support on this forum.
Just wanted to know from fellow boarders the reason they think cancellation of MFN is a good idea.
1. I don't care for a reason. We need to teach them a lesson so cancel it.
2. MFN is one sided and than is reason enough.
3. Bakis benefit in the *overall* trade so cancellation will hurt them.
4. Even if the overall trade favor India we should cancel it. We need to hit back.
5. Anything else.