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So it was the Turkeys of Stamboul after all,gassing the Syrians with their noxious farting and not Assad! The would be Sultan,"Turd-of-a-Gun" has now been exposed as being a vicious megalomaniac who wants to conquer Syria through hired killers ,steal its vast untapped oil and gas reserves and become part of his latter-day Ottoman empire!

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 52366.html

Thursday 10 April 2014
Robert Fisk: Has Recep Tayyip Erdogan gone from model Middle East 'strongman' to tin-pot dictator?
Once a cuddly ally of Barack Obama, the Turkish Prime Minister has shown himself to be increasingly authoritarian

Recep Tayyip Erdogan used to be one of Barack Obama's cuddliest allies. Religious but secular, powerful but democratic, independent but a reliable Nato chum, he was the kind of guy the White House and the Pentagon could rely on to provide a guiding hand in the Arab part of the old Ottoman empire - and a channel for rebels who could bring down the hated Bashar al-Assad of Syria.

The American think-tank mountebanks - taking their cue as usual from the US 'official sources' - even proclaimed Turkey as a "role model" for the post-dictatorship Arab world.

Queue in hollow laughter. Was a nation which still mistreated its Kurds, acted as a holocaust denier in refusing to acknowledge the 1915 Armenian genocide, and which even trashed the trial of those who killed the Armenian journalist Hrant Dink in an Istanbul street in 2007, really the kind of mirror into which the Muslim world should stare with approval? Yea, now the mask has fallen.

Erdogan sent in the police to crush the demonstrators of Gezi Park last year, went berserk when it was suggested his party and relatives were involved in corruption scams, and fired or removed hundreds of police and security officers. Then he promised to wipe out "social media" - Facebook and YouTube were the new 'terrorists', it seemed - before the municipal elections which he inevitably won, and uttered the kind of threats against Turkey's ever more compliant press in words that might have come from the late Saddam Hussein. It turned out that the only role model Turkey was a role model for was - well, Turkey.

So had yet another Middle East 'strongman' turned into a tin-pot (and dangerous) dictator? Or had a conservative, level headed democrat suddenly shown his true colours? When the Arab awakening began to destroy the local dictators in 2011, Erdogan was the first Muslim leader to grasp its significance and praise its revolutionaries. Who would have believed that the old Ottoman flag - or the current Turkish version of it - would be flown once more with pride over Arab homes in Gaza and Egypt? Even when the latter's elected president Mohamed Morsi was chucked out by that wonderful democracy-loving Egyptian deputy prime minister, defence minister and chief of staff - Erdogan could scarcely bring himself to pronounce General al-Sissi's name - the Turkish prime minister, like Qatar, insisted that Morsi was still the leader of Egypt.

Next on his target list, I suspect, will be the Daily Zaman, one of the most feisty and provocative of Turkish newspapers which will soon - its journalists fear - feel Erdogan's lash. The paper this week trashed the prime minister's attacks on his Islamist antagonist Fetullah Gulen, currently residing in Pennsylvania, as having no basis in law, approvingly quoting a retired supreme appeal court prosecutor as saying that Erdogan was trying to influence the justice system. The paper, regarded as close to Gulen ideologically, has carried articles asking if corruption and bribery contributed to Erdorgan's 45 per cent Justice and Development Party election victory. And in an unprecedented reporyeaht, it also wrote that Armenians driven on 16 March from their homes in the Syrian town of Kassab by Islamist rebels supported by Turkey, were drawing parallels with the 1915 mass killings - which the paper was not quite brave enough to call a genocide.

Supporters of the newly elected mayor of Ankara from the AKP, which triumphed in elections on 30 March Supporters of the newly elected mayor of Ankara from the AKP, which triumphed in elections on 30 March (Getty Images)
Turkey denies all this, just as it denies the genocide. Both statements are nonsense. The Jabhat al-Nusra men who stormed into Kassab did not come from Iraq or Jordan. The town, in which thousands of Armenians lived in the very last part of what had been Ottoman Armenia, is only a few miles from the Syrian border where the Turks have been furnishing their Syrian rebel allies - both Islamist and secular - with arms. The Armenian expulsions have provided ample opportunity once again for the Assad regime to demonstrate the cruelty of its opponents.

But there is growing evidence that Turkey's - or rather Erdogan's - involvement with the revolt against Assad is critical to his relationship with Obama. The Syrian government were, of course, the first to claim that the sarin gas which killed hundreds of Syrian civilians in the Damascus suburb of Ghouta last August had come from Turkey - and had then been used by Islamist groups in the hope that the West would blame Assad and turn its strategic weapons against the regime. When The Independent enquired about the attacks in Syria, Russian sources stated that the chemicals had not been sold to Assad. They had come from stocks sold by Moscow to the former Gaddafi regime in Libya.

Syrian army officers and one figure close to Assad complained to me, too, that when the US and its allies insisted the regime was to blame for the gas attack - which of course they did at once - no heed was paid to public evidence that sarin gas was being transported through part of Turkey for rebels in the north of Syria. They constantly referred to a 130-page Turkish indictment of ten al-Nusra men accused of transporting through southern Turkey what local police identified as chemical precursors for sarin. They were correct. The ringleader of the group, Haytham Qassab, appeared in court where a Turkish prosecutor demanded 25 years imprisonment, but he was later released "pending trial". They have all since disappeared, while Turkey's ambassador to Moscow was later to dismiss the arrests, claiming - with almost Saddam-like conviction - that the 'sarin' was "anti-freeze".

That most controversial of American investigative journalists, Seymour Hersh - I confess he is an old mate of mine even though he often uses my most hated phrase, anonymous "officials" and "experts", as his sources - has now published his own disturbing and compelling research on the use of chemicals in Syria and points the finger at Turkey for allowing rebels to use sarin in an earlier chemical attack against the Syrian village of Khan al-Assal.

Far more explosively, he claims that the British Porton Down defence laboratory examined the sarin used in Ghouta (courtesy of a Russian military intelligence operative) - this was the attack that propelled Obama and his administration into paroxysms of rage against Assad - and that British intelligence confirmed to the Americans that the gas did not come from stocks in the Syrian army's chemical weapons' arsenal.


This, according to Hersh - who naturally has his own detractors - was enough to persuade the US Joint Chiefs of Staff to tell President Obama that he must not use the Ghouta attack as an excuse for a military strike against Syria. Obama finally agreed - although he used a sudden (and still unexplained) decision to seek congressional approval for a bombardment of Syria - permission he knew he was unlikely to get. The Turks - and here comes the Erdogan connection - were outraged that the Americans had not fallen into their trap of destroying Assad.

Erdogan, according to Hersh, had allowed the Americans to ship a 'rat line' of weapons from Libya via Turkey to the Syrian rebels - hence the connection to earlier shipments of sarin to Libya from the then Soviet Union. Hersh says that for months after the Ghouta attack occurred, this 'rat line' continued. So did permission to the Turks to trade in gold with Iran - a profitable enterprise which created a slush fund of billions of dollars, the very same corruption money which later appeared to fall into the hands of senior figures around Erdogan.

One Turkish journalist insisted to me in Istanbul this week that Erdogan's 'madness' - although already evident - reached ferocity pitch after the Ghouta sarin attack in Damascus which was supposed to drive Obama to attack the Assad regime, but which ultimately failed to do so. If the US bombardment had taken place, Turkey would have been the 'kingmaker' in any new Syria, and that ancient nation might even have become part of a putative, enlarged, Ottoman-style empire. This is taking things too far. Erdogan is, like Yossarian in Catch 22, a very odd person. There are signs of political megalomania.

But Hersh does detail a dinner on 16 May last year between Erdogan and Obama - and a senior Turkish intelligence official called Hakan Fidan - at which Obama angrily pointed at Fidan and said: "We know what you're doing with the (rebel) radicals in Syria." The dinner took place. No-one, of course, will reveal on the record what was said.

Turkey's meddling in the Syria war will continue, whatever the Americans do. Obama believes the rebels are both untrustworthy, dangerous and are being beaten. But one of the tapes which so enraged Erdogan when it appeared on YouTube - hence the ban - showed an apparent conversation between Turkish officials seeking an excuse to stage their own attack on Syria. "Manipulated," screamed the Turkish government. No doubt.
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"Aid",actually arms and mercenaries being sent by the US and its cronies abusing the humanitarian priviliges of giving succour to the affected civilian population of the country.

The Weaponization of Western “Aid” for Syria
Sunday, April 13, 2014
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/20 ... 37386.html
The UN has said that there has been no humanitarian improvement for millions of Syrians since the Security Council passed a resolution last month to increase aid deliveries.

UN humanitarian chief Valerie Amos said that much of the blame lay with President Bashar al-Assad’s government. She accused it of an arbitrary and unjustified refusal to grant aid convoys access to remoter areas. Baroness Amos said violence, including sexual violence, continued to increase.The Syrian government has yet to respond to her allegations but has consistently argued that it is doing its utmost to get food and medical supplies to people in less accessible areas. In February, the Security Council called on all parties to allow aid to cross conflict lines and borders.

However, what the UN and the US have both failed to mention is the disingenuous intentions, means, and methods behind these so-called “aid convoys” attempting to reach “people in less accessible areas.” These would be areas held by foreign-backed militants, including members of the US State Department designated terrorist organization, Jabhat Al Nusra – Al Qaeda’s Syrian franchise and guilty of some of the worst atrocities carried out during the conflict real or imagined on either side.

To see how “arbitrary and unjustified” the Syrian government’s refusals are to grant access to remote areas controlled by terrorists by Western “aid convoys,” one must consider emerging evidence regarding the nature of these so-called convoys and the general practice of the West sending relief into a conflict of their own design.
Aid as “Trojan Horses”

It was in confirmed leaked e-mails exposed by the Syrian Electronic Army that first established the use of Western “aid” ships to ferry militants to and from battlefields in both Libya and Syria. American contractor Matthew Van Dyke, while speaking to Western journalists, admitted that he was preparing to take a “free” aid ship from Libya to Turkey where militants have been staging, receiving cash and arms, and being transported to the Syrian border by NATO for 3 years now. Van Dyke and his company – being armed militants – traveling by way of aid ships should (and has) raise serious concern among the international community regarding the abuse of what are supposed to be humanitarian missions.

Other stories like Alakhbar English’s “Qatar Red Crescent Funds Syrian Rebel Arms,”
also raises alarm regarding so-called “aid” flowing into Syria specifically to help those fighting the government.

The article reports:
Sources in the investigation team said that Mahmoud confessed to receiving around $2.2 million from Khaled Diab, a Qatar Red Crescent official. He was then to hand the money over to a Lebanese cleric identified as O.O., born in 1983 and affiliated with Muslims Without Borders, in the Bekaa village of Bar Elias.

“Through the cleric, Mahmoud was able to acquire 30 RPG launchers for $900,000 and 300 shells for $300,000, which were then transferred to Syria by a smuggler known as Anwar or his nom de guerre Abu Salah.” The smuggler then handed over the weapons to the Syrian national known as Abu Abdullah in the Damascus countryside.

Mahmoud also bought 100 Kalashnikovs and an ammunitions cache for $40,000 from the Ain al-Hilweh Palestinian refugee camp in southern Lebanon. The source added that Mahmoud entered the refugee camp with the Syrian national Mohammad Abdullah, known as Abu Hamza, under the guise of distributing humanitarian aid to refugees from Syria.

Both Russia’s Pravda and Iran’s Press TV carried similar stories involving Turkish ambulances being used to smuggle weapons into Syria. And while many will question the veracity of these claims considering both Russia and Iran’s relationship with Syria, together with Van Dyke’s leaked e-mails and more recent stories emanating from Western sources, it appears that systematic abuse of humanitarian aid destined for Syria is indeed a reality.
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Prince Bandar bin Sultan, Head Of Saudi Intelligence, Has Been Sacked
A royal order announced here today that Prince Bandar bin Sultan bin Abdulaziz was relieved of his post as Chief of General Intelligence upon his request and that General Staff Yousif bin Ali Al-Idreesi was assigned to act as Chief of General Intelligence. The royal order will be carried out by the concerned authorities with immediate effect.
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^^Too close to Amir Khan. Dropped the ball on immediate neighbourhood. Now Riyadh left holding the ball for its strategic miscalculations...which you can be damn sure will be very expensive indeed.

Sign of the times.
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Quite Frankly, Bandar is the reason Pukis have nukes and M-9, which formed the Guarantee based on which numerous Terrorist attacks were carried out in India. His gene pool needs to have his head and bosy separated.
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Austin wrote:Prince Bandar bin Sultan, Head Of Saudi Intelligence, Has Been Sacked
A royal order announced here today that Prince Bandar bin Sultan bin Abdulaziz was relieved of his post as Chief of General Intelligence upon his request and that General Staff Yousif bin Ali Al-Idreesi was assigned to act as Chief of General Intelligence. The royal order will be carried out by the concerned authorities with immediate effect.

First casualty of the defeat in Syria.
More will come.
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Iran Gets an Unlikely Visitor, an American Plane, but No One Seems to Know Why

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/18/world ... rport.html
President Obama has warned that Iran is not open for business, even as the United States has loosened some of its punishing economic sanctions as part of an interim nuclear pact.Yet on Tuesday morning, Iran had an unlikely visitor: a plane, owned by the Bank of Utah, a community bank in Ogden that has 13 branches throughout the state. Bearing a small American flag on its tail, the aircraft was parked in a highly visible section of Mehrabad Airport in Tehran.But from there, the story surrounding the plane, and why it was in Iran — where all but a few United States and European business activities are prohibited — grows more mysterious.While federal aviation records show the plane is held in a trust by the Bank of Utah, Brett King, one of its executives in Salt Lake City, said, “We have no idea why that plane was at that airport.”He said that the Bank of Utah acted as a trustee for investors who have a financial stake in the plane and that the bank was investigating further.Speaking to air force commanders in Tehran on Thursday, Ayatollah Ali Khameini said Iran interactive Multimedia Feature: Timeline on Iran’s Nuclear ProgramThe Federal Aviation Administration said it had no information about the investors in the aircraft or who was operating it. Officials waiting at the gangway at Mehrabad Airport said only that the aircraft was “V.I.P.”The Treasury Department’s Office of Foreign Assets Control, the federal government’s primary enforcer of sanctions against Iran, declined to comment on the plane’s presence there.Mr. King, who helps run the bank’s trust services business, said the bank had no “operational control” or “financial exposure” to any of the planes.He said he was not allowed to disclose the identity of the plane’s investors. “As fiduciary, we must keep information confidential when it comes to the beneficiary,” Mr. King said.While the trusts allow celebrities and corporate executives to travel discreetly, they also help obscure who is operating vast fleets of aircraft and why.The shadowy role of American banks in private aircraft ownership has grown even as financial regulators work to shine a light on Wall Street’s activities, a legacy of the 2008 financial crisis. .
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The Prince of Bandicoots has at last been unceremoniously given the royal order of the boot! The man who dared to threaten Putin and was increasingly behaving like a mad maverick let loose in the Muddle East,Here are some details .

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/a ... ence-syria
End of an era as Prince Bandar departs Saudi intelligence post
Prince's exit could signal shift in kingdom's policy towards Syria, with looming leadership transition complicating picture
Ian Black, Middle East editor
Prince Bandar bin Sultan in 2008. Photograph: Hassan Ammar/AP

Prince Bandar bin Sultan's departure as head of Saudi intelligence, confirmed this week, marks the end of an era for a flamboyant and powerful character on the Middle Eastern stage. The big question is whether it signals a meaningful shift in the kingdom's policy towards Syria and its commitment to the overthrow of President Bashar al-Assad.

Bandar – known as "Bandar Bush" from his 22 years as Saudi ambassador to the US – is a legendary networker and hawk. The Saudi press agency said he stepped down at his own request. (It did not say whether he would continue as head of the national security council, a less important position.) He will be replaced by his deputy at the Saudi equivalent of the CIA, Youssef bin Ali al-Idrisi, who is not a royal and therefore far less powerful.

For the past 18 months Bandar had led Saudi efforts to better co-ordinate the supply of weapons to Syrian rebels fighting Assad. But he faced criticism for backing extreme Islamist groups and thus risking a repeat of the "blowback" that brought Osama bin Laden's Saudi fighters home after the officially sanctioned jihad against the Soviets in Afghanistan in the 1980s.

Bandar's departure is not a complete surprise. Amid unprecedented tensions in relations between Riyadh and Washington, there had been signs he had fallen from favour and had in effect already been sidelined on Syria.

"Bandar's approach was very black and white," said one well placed observer. "And he seems to have over-promised to the king in terms of confidently predicting Assad's departure."

He was often abroad, reportedly being treated for health problems, or "unavailable" at home due to illness. He is also known to suffer badly from depression. Several months ago he failed to turn up for an urgently-scheduled meeting on Syria with David Cameron at Chequers.

According to sources in Riyadh, Bandar faced strong opposition from the powerful interior minister (and possible future king), Prince Mohammed bin Nayef, who led the crackdown on al-Qaida following a wave of attacks between 2003 and 2006. Bin Nayef became increasingly concerned about battle-hardened young Saudis returning home radicalised after fighting in Syria. Bandar's removal probably reflects that policy divergence, western diplomats and Saudis say.

Bandar has irritated the Americans with outspoken criticism of Barack Obama's failure to punish Syria following the chemical weapons attack near Damascus last August. After that he talked of limiting interaction with the US in protest at its policies on Syria, Israel and especially the beginning of rapprochement with Iran – the latter an unchanging bogeyman and regional and sectarian rival for the Saudi prince. Bandar was also said by a senior Arab figure to have angrily threatened the emir of Qatar, which upstaged its larger neighbour in backing anti-Assad forces. His departure may help heal the rift between the US and the kingdom following last month's meeting between Obama and Abdullah. That, in turn, could impact on Saudi policy towards Syria.

Bandar, a former fighter pilot, is King Abdullah's nephew. He was close to presidents Reagan and both Bushes. He negotiated huge arms deals for the kingdom – including the infamous £43bn al-Yamamah agreement with the UK. The Guardian reported allegations that he had received £1bn in secret payments from BAE.

Known for his showy lifestyle – he has a penchant for cigars and flies in a private Airbus – he has kept a low profile since returning from the US to Riyadh in 2005. He became head of intelligence in July 2012. Apart from the Syria file, he was also closely involved in Saudi support for Egypt's military rulers after they ousted the Muslim Brotherhood president Mohamed Morsi.

Saudi-watchers say decision-making in Riyadh is in poor shape. King Abdullah is 90 and frail, Crown Prince Salman is 78. Last month the appointment of a new deputy crown prince, Muqrin, a relative youngster at 68, again focused attention on the succession.

"The looming transition in Saudi leadership … may contribute to the uncertainty and opacity of the kingdom's foreign policy-making," said Yezid Sayigh, of the Carnegie Foundation. "Already highly personalised, decision-making may become further dispersed as multiple centres of princely power prepare to compete over the succession from King Abdullah."
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NDTV ‏@ndtv 3h

Syria rivalry sharply splits jihadist ranks http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/syria ... nks-510702
Baghdad: Rivalry between jihadist groups fighting in Syria has sharply divided global militant ranks once loosely allied under Al Qaeda, sparking infighting which experts say has hampered efforts to topple President Bashar al-Assad.

And while senior leaders of Al Qaeda were all but above question under revered founder Osama bin Laden, the conflict has gone so far that even his replacement Ayman al-Zawahiri has come in for fierce criticism on jihadist forums online.

Powerful rebel groups in Syria, including Al Qaeda's designated local affiliate Al-Nusra Front, have been locked in fierce fighting with jihadist group the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), with thousands of people killed since January.

...
"This division has become more about the fight to represent the true jihadist movement, both in Syria but also internationally," Lister said.

"This continuing battle for influence between Al-Nusra and ISIL has the potential to cause shock waves across the international jihadist community.

"The conflict in Syria has provided an enormous opportunity for jihadist groups, and with such a significant opportunity comes the possibility of divisions," he added.
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French chem warfare expert M.Hollande (also president) has backed claims that the Syrian forces have used chem weapons.The assessment of M.Hollande should be taken very seriously as he is an expert at sniffing the nether regions of his assorted mistresses and can say with absolute conviction that "Basher" Assad has indeed let out a "stink bomb"! The French Foreign Legion have been told to put on their gas masks and prepare to invade Syria via Lebanon,territory they well know.The route to Damasacus runs through Beirut.Once they have fortified themselves by gormandising upon falafel,fatoush,hummus,halwa,koshari,kufta and kunafi,washed down with copious quantities of Massaya,they will have generated enough noxious gases internally with which to expel in Assad's direction! Who can withstand an attack as nauseating and noxious as that of a Froggie farter?!

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/a ... al-weapons
France backs claims that Syrian forces have used chemical weapons recently
François Hollande says France has 'information' that toxic gases have been used against opposition in recent attacks
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"He (Prince Bandar) once asked former interim Prime Minister Moeen Qureshi: 'I don't understand why Pakistan is always afraid of Indian chicken'," he wrote.
http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 957_1.html
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Syria was the only Arab country to pose a military threat to Israel and it was and still is supported by Iran. Hizballah fighters received training in Syria from Iranian/Syrian army.

Post Saddam Hussein, it's Iran and the Iraqi Shia's who came out ahead in Iraq. This and also the status Hizballah/Iran gained after defeating Israel does not sit well with the Saudi Barbarians.
Quote:

"Israel does not know how to beat Hezbollah," said Giora Eiland, an army ex-general who served as national security adviser to former prime ministers Ariel Sharon and Ehud Olmert.

"Therefore a war waged only as Israel-versus-Hezbollah might yield better damage on Hezbollah, but Hezbollah would inflict far worse damage on the Israeli homefront than it did 4-1/2 years ago," he told Israel Radio.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/12/ ... 0L20101216

Saudi Barbaria feels threatened by the rise Shia power and Iran. So does Israel.

This makes me think that Israel and Saudi's reached an agreement: The Saudi's and other Sunni gulf states destroy Syria and in return Israel attacks or manipulates the US into attacking Iran. It's a win-win for both.

Notice also:
Philip posted this article:

US has reportedly started supplying Syrian rebels with anti-tank weapons
Published time: April 07, 2014

Rebels embattled against the regime of Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad have reportedly come into possession of high-powered anti-tank weaponry, the likes of which may have been supplied by the United States.

Images of rebels equipped with heavy arms have begun to circulate in recent days, and at least one news site has claimed that the source responsible is the US government.
Another report said that Pakistan would supply the Sunni Jihadi's in Syria with anti-tank missiles.

These are dangerous weapons and we know that none of the Sunni outfits fighting the Syrian Army are truly secular. Yet Israel does not raise a hue and cry about these weapons falling in the hands of Sunni Jihadi's.

What does that tell us? Apparently Israel is not too concerned, is it because they have iron clad guarantees from the Saudi's that these weapons will never be used against Israel (and the Israeli's are satisfied with the control the Saudi's have over the Jihadi's in Syria)?

My intuition tells me that there's a broad agreement between Israel and Saudi Barbaria on Hizballah, Syria and Iran (possibly on Iraq too).
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-2 ... -plan.html
Oman Fights Saudi Bid for Gulf Hegemony With Iran Pipe Plan By Dana El Baltaji Oman’s plan to build a $1 billion natural-gas pipeline from Iran is the latest sign that Saudi Arabia is failing to bind its smaller Gulf neighbors into a tighter bloc united in hostility to the Islamic Republic. The accord was signed during Iranian President Hassan Rouhani’s visit to Oman last month, and marks the first such deal between Iran and a Gulf Cooperation Council state in more than a decade. Oman is in good standing with the U.S. too: a $2.1 billion purchase of air-defense systems from Raytheon Inc. was announced during a visit by Secretary of State John Kerry last year. “Oman isn’t enthusiastic about integration and cooperation, and I don’t think it ever will be,” Abdulkhaleq Abdullah, an Emirati academic and author of “The Gulf Regional System,” said in a phone interview. “The Sultan has always maintained a sense of mysteriousness about Oman, and they think of themselves as somewhat different from the rest of the GCC.” Oman faces Iran across the Strait of Hormuz, the world’s most important trade route for crude shipments. The GCC has failed to make much progress with a proposed customs union and shared currency. After the Arab uprisings of 2011, though, Saudi Arabia promoted a more ambitious plan, urging its fellow Sunni Muslim monarchies to integrate their economic, foreign and security policies on the model of the European Union. A key motivation for King Abdullah is what the Saudis see as a growing threat from Iran. . The prospect of détente between the U.S. and Iran, with an interim nuclear deal already in place and a permanent one under negotiation, has put Saudi Arabia, a longtime U.S. ally, on edge. .
those predictions are fulfilled, the pipeline will be the first functioning one between Iran and the GCC. An earlier project to bring Iranian gas to the United Arab Emirates broke down because Crescent Petroleum Co. and Iran couldn’t agree on prices, and the pipeline they built remains unused more than 10 years after the deal was signed. That history suggests the new pipeline remains “a big if,” said Adam Ereli, former U.S. ambassador to Bahrain. “There’s been no shortage of deals over the past 25 years signed with Iran over exploration, pipelines and trading,” he said. Usually, “something comes along to derail the deals.” Unlike the Saudis, the Omanis don’t see Iran as a threat, which is one reason why Oman has shied away from Saudi Arabia’s plans for a Gulf Union, according to Coline Schep, a London-based Middle East analyst at Control Risks. When Nizar Bin Obeid Madani, Saudi Arabia’s state minister for foreign affairs, told a regional conference in December about the importance of Gulf union, Oman’s Foreign Minister Yusuf Bin Alawi Bin Abdullah asked for the microphone. He said Oman wants no part in it, according to Sultan Sooud Al-Qassemi, a U.A.E.-based writer on Gulf relations who witnessed the exchange. Oman isn’t the only GCC country that hasn’t adopted Saudi Arabia’s foreign policy. Qatar has refused to toe the Saudi line on another regional issue, supporting political Islamists including the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt after the 2011 revolts. Last month, Saudi Arabia, the U.A.E. and Bahrain recalled their ambassadors from Doha, accusing Qatar of undermining regional security. “Oman plays it a little more carefully than Qatar has done,” Schep said by telephone. Qaboos “has set himself on a safe course, becoming America’s broker in the region, warming things up with Iran, and saying unequivocally that it wants nothing to do with Saudi Arabia’s sponsored Gulf union,” said Christopher Davidson, author of “After the Sheikhs: The Coming Collapse of the Gulf Monarchies.” “He’s the smartest guy in the region.”
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Yes,the GCC,the "Grand Camel Choir",has been out of tune and harmony in recent times,ever since the Gutter-Rees wanted the Brothers Muslim from the land of E-Gyp,to lead the choir! The Sultan Qa-Booze of the Oh-Man-is enjoys singing a different tune,off-key and off-stage too!
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http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 72265.html
Robert Fisk
Sunday 20 April 2014
The Middle East we must confront in the future will be a Mafiastan ruled by money
In Iraq, mafiosi already run almost the entire oil output of the south of the country

Saudi Arabia is giving $3bn – yes, £2bn, and now let’s have done with exchange rates – to the Pakistani government of Nawaz Sharif. But what is it for? Pakistani journalists have been told not to ask this question. Then, when they persisted, they were told that Saudi generosity towards their fellow Sunni Muslim brothers emerged from the “personal links” between the Prime Minister and the monarchy in Riyadh. Saudi notables have been arriving in Islamabad. Sharif and his army chief of staff have travelled to the Kingdom. Then Islamabad started talking about a “transitional government” for Syria – even though Pakistan had hitherto supported President Bashar al-Assad – because, as journalist Najam Seti wrote from Lahore, “we know only too well that in matters of diplomatic relations there is no such thing as a gift, still less one of this size”.

Now the word in Pakistan is that its government has agreed to supply Saudi Arabia with an arsenal of anti-aircraft and anti-tank missiles, which will be passed on – despite the usual end-user certificates claiming these weapons will be used only on Saudi soil – to the Salafist rebels in Syria fighting to overthrow the secular, Ba’athist (and yes, ruthless) regime of Bashar al-Assad. The Americans, in other words, will no longer use their rat-run of weapons from Libya to the Syrian insurgents because they no longer see it as in their interest to change the Assad government. Iraq, with its Shia majority, and Qatar – which now loathes and fears Saudi Arabia more than it detests Assad – can no longer be counted on to hold the Shias at bay. So even Bahrain must be enlisted in the Saudi-Salafist cause; his Royal Highness the King of Bahrain needs more Pakistani mercenaries in his army; so Bahrain, too – according to Najam Sethi – is preparing to invest in Pakistan.

But this is merely a reflection of a far larger movie, a Cinemascope picture with a cast of billions – I’m talking about dollars – which is now consuming the Middle East. It’s a story that doesn’t find favour with the mountebank “experts” on the cable channels nor with their White House/Pentagon scriptwriters, nor indeed with our own beloved Home Secretary who still believes that British Muslims will be “radicalised” if they fight in Syria. Sorry, m’deario, but they were already radicalised. THAT’S WHY THEY WENT TO SYRIA.

But the Taliban is no more going to take over Afghanistan than al-Qa’ida is going to rule Syria or Iraq, nor the Muslim Brotherhood Egypt. “Islamism” is not about to turn our beloved Arab and Muslim Middle Eastern world into a caliphate. That’s for The New York Times to believe.

Let’s just take a look across the region. Corruption in Afghanistan is not just legendary. This is a place where governance, law, electoral rules, tribal ritual and military affairs function only with massive bribes. It rivals North Korea in financial dishonesty (according to Transparency International). Remember the Kabul banking scandal that milked $980m (£584m) from the people (from which only $180m – £107m – was ever recovered)?

The Americans funded the Afghan warlords and then the NGOs spread their cash around the country and now, with the US withdrawal imminent – along with that of America’s NATO mercenaries – the Afghan gang bosses are not especially worried about the Taliban. Nor are they particularly concerned about women’s rights. But they are fearful that the dollars will stop flowing. A militia leader with three villas, 10 4x4s and 200 bodyguards has to find money to pay them when the Americans go home. So they will have to turn to drugs, money laundering and weapons smuggling on a massive scale. Pakistan, of course, is there to help.

In Iraq, mafiosi already run the Shia port of Basra and almost the entire oil output of the south of the country. “Institutionalised kleptocracy” was a minister’s definition of al-Maliki’s government; just take a look at my colleague Patrick Cockburn’s excoriating account of Iraqi corruption last year. In Syria, the rebels’ fiefdom is run by money mobs. That’s why every hostage has a price, every “Free Syrian Army” retreat – and the word “retreat” must also be placed in quotation marks – must be paid for, by the Syrian government or by the Russians or, most frequently, by the Iranians. The Syrian “civil war” is funded by Qatar and Saudi Arabia, by Libya and by Moscow and Tehran and, when it suits them, by the Americans. We’re so caught up in battlefield losses and war crimes and sarin and barrel bombs that we lose sight of the fact that the Syrian bloodbath – much like the Lebanese bloodbath of 1976-1990 – is underwritten by vast amounts of cash from foreign donors.

Just look at Egypt. The story we are supposed to swallow is that a benevolent if slightly despotic army has saved the country from an Islamist takeover. Just how President Mohamed Morsi – whose grasp of practical governance was about as hopeless as that of your average Egyptian general – was going to turn Egypt into a caliphate was anyone’s guess. Of course, our worthless political leaders – Tony Blair in the lead, naturally – are playing the “Islamist” line for the networks. Egypt was on the path to a medieval Muslim dictatorship, only rescued at the last minute by the defence minister-turned presidential candidate General al-Sisi’s belief in a “transitional government to democracy”.

Yes, the “transitional” road to democracy is all the rage these days. But the real counter-revolution in Egypt was not the overthrow of the pathetic Morsi, but what followed: the army’s re-establishment of its massive financial benefits, its shopping malls and real estates and banking, which bring in billions of dollars for the country’s military elite – and whose business dealings are now constitutionally safe from the prying eyes of any democratically-elected Egyptian government, “transitional” or otherwise. And if al-Sisi is elected the next President of Egypt – O Blessed Thought – woe betide anyone who suggests that the army, which is still the recipient of billions from the US, should clean up its multi-million dollar conglomerates.

All this is to say that the Middle East we must confront in the future – and it will be of our making as surely as the mass slaughter of its people have been primarily our responsibility – will not be a set of vicious caliphates, of Iraqistan or Syriastan or Egyptstan. No, there is one international, all-purpose name which we will be able to bestow upon almost all the states of the region, united as they have never been since the demise of the Ottoman Empire.

We will understand its masters all too well. We shall support them. We shall love them. Our Tony will understand them – Catholicism, after all, has its own history of corruption and the Vatican, as we have learned, has its own gangsters. Our enemy is not – Cameron and Hague, please take note – terror, terror, terror. It is money, money, money. Dirty money.

For the name of this brave new world will be Mafiastan
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Kuwait is a top funder for terrorists: http://goo.gl/EYchMF . Why are America's Mideast allies financiers of Al Qaeda and other extremists?
Kuwait, a U.S. ally whose aid to besieged Syrian civilians has been surpassed only by the United States this year, is also the leading source of funding for al-Qaeda-linked terrorists fighting in Syria’s civil war, according to Obama administration officials.

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Last month, the administration decided to go public with its concerns. In a remarkably undiplomatic statement that officials said had been cleared at senior levels, Treasury Undersecretary David S. Cohen called Kuwait “the epicenter of fundraising for terrorist groups in Syria.”

Such fundraising was not illegal in Kuwait until last year, when the government took advantage of an unrelated parliamentary boycott to push through a new law.

“Disappointingly, since then there has not been much vigor shown in implementing” a ban on terrorist financing, said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss administration assessments of Kuwait.
Why is the TOP funder for terrorists suddenly ousting a small fry like Kuwait?
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It's just a rap on the knuckles... they probably funded someone they shouldn't have for a while, without uncle and aunty knowing about it. Surely, things will come back to normal very quickly indeed.

Be sure that the neighbours are funding too, just more discreetly now and perhaps using the Kuwait channel as well. Flow of money is hard to track.

Small fry, true, but playing very very dangerous games. Those affected are watching, noting, and will remember.
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Saudis displayed their Chinese procured DF-3 IRBM in Public for the first time ........No MTCR Sanctions on Saudi and China ? :lol:
While Russia and India was sanctioned under MTCR for purchasing Cryo Engine for ICBM GSLV :P

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Must have come with training or CIA/US operatives
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Syrian source tells me rebels have received a "few dozen" wire guided anti-tank TOW missiles from US
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Amazing! No MTCR regime for Uncle Sam's beloved Saudis.Hussein O'Bomber is doing a great job for his oily patrons.
By the same yardstick,India too can look at Russian brochures and pick what we like,do not have and will take too long and cost too much to develop.I would suggest a 10-15,000KM ICBM for starters,with MIRV/MARV warheads and a sub-launched ICBM for our future SSBNs.

Famous last words?!

Gen.Fat-Al-the-Sissy,military heavyweight of the land of E-Gyp,boasts that he will exterminate the "Brothers Muslim" once he seizes power.It's going to be fun watching the neck-tie party E-Gyp style ,when 600+ "Brothers" swing in the wind! With "Al" (E-Gyp's Capone?) in charge,there's sure going to be lots of work for the hangman.Might need dozens of them.

Sisi says Muslim Brotherhood will not exist under his reign
Egypt's former army chief Abdel Fattah al-Sisi issues warning as country prepares for presidential elections on 26-27 May
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/m ... hood-egypt
Link to video: Abdel Fattah al-Sisi: Muslim Brotherhood will not exist in Egypt if I'm elected

Egypt's former army chief Abdel Fattah al-Sisi said on Monday night that the Muslim Brotherhood – the group he removed from power last year – will not exist if he is elected president later this month.

The comments, in an interview broadcast on two Egyptian television stations, were the clearest indication yet there was no prospect for political reconciliation with the Islamist group that propelled Mohamed Morsi to the presidency in 2012.

"There will be nothing called the Muslim Brotherhood during my tenure," Sisi said on Egypt's privately-owned CBC and ONTV television channels.

The Brotherhood has been subject to an aggressive state-led crackdown in the months since Morsi's overthrow. The movement was formally blacklisted as a terrorist organisation on Christmas Day and continues to be blamed for bomb attacks across Egypt, although many have been claimed by militant groups, including the al-Qaida-linked Ansar Beit el Maqdis.

Sisi said he had survived two assassination attempts in the months since Morsi's ousting in July last year.

The former field marshal's claims appeared to vindicate the tight security measures that have dominated his campaign. Instead of taking to the campaign trail like his sole opponent, Nasserist candidate Hamdeen Sabbahi, Sisi will reportedly be sending emissaries to his rallies across the country.

A kingmaker in Egypt's post-Morsi politics, Sisi remains a prime target for a domestic militant insurgency which has targeted the army and police force in retaliation for their roles in Morsi's overthrow and their subsequent crackdown against the Brotherhood and other political opponents.

Egypt's presidential elections, scheduled for 26-27 May, will take place against a backdrop of deep societal divisions. At least 16,000 people have been imprisoned and more than 2,500 killed in the crackdown.

Yet Sisi remains popular, with many Egyptians arguing that he is the only leader capable of restoring security and enough confidence to steady the country's faltering economy. He is expected to win by a landslide.

During the course of the interview, Sisi also addressed allegations, often levelled by critics, that his ascent to power was part of a long-term plan.

"I took the side of millions not because I was interested in power," he said, claiming that he had only taken the decision to run for president in late February after a public show of support from Egypt's supreme council for the armed forces. He has cast his decision as a patriotic duty that was necessary to rescue the nation.

Highlighting the series of challenges that Egypt's next president must face, Sisi said his priorities in power would be security and stability. He described Egypt's high rate of unemployment as "shameful".

According to a recent survey by the Egyptian polling centre Baseera, 72% of those who intend to vote in the elections say they will back Sisi, with 2% supporting Sabahi.
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CNN International ‏@cnni 1h

BREAKING: Saudi Arabian authorities arrest 62 members of a terror cell linked to al Qaeda in Yemen and Syria: http://cnn.it/18lOyG6
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regarding Kuwaiti's - In the early 80's one Kerala CM was in soup for allowing 2 blacklisted (by GOI) Kuwaitis thru Trivandrum airport and to use government car for their travel. They were blacklisted for obvious reasons
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US aircraft carriers ‘easy targets’ in event of clash – Iranian naval commander
May 06, 2014

I doubt that a USN commander will send his carriers "in harm's way",into the Gulf to offer itself as a sitting ,or even a 30kt mobile duck! The US has enough air bases of its allies to operate its strike aircraft from land,while the carriers will be usually jut outside the range of Iranian shore based missiles.The skill of Iranian submariners is what might make a difference operating their Kilos and smaller subs against US carrier task forces.RGs with their bum boat flotilla can however cause huge mayhem in the confined waters of the Gulf,attacking and even hijacking tankers and merchantmen.

http://rt.com/news/157100-iran-us-navy-conflict/
The head of Iran's Revolutionary Guards says his forces have been holding naval exercises involving the use of replica American warships, while the real ones continue to prowl the waters of the Persian Gulf.

As Iranian President Hassan Rouhani continues negotiations with Western powers over the Islamic Republic’s nuclear program, Iranian military officials, perplexed by the presence of US warships in the Persian Gulf, have responded with the occasional saber-rattling.

US air power overseas is dependent on the ability of its fighter jets to take off and land on aircraft carriers, and this “Achilles heel” has made these vessels a natural target for the IRGC Navy in any possible war, Iranian Admiral Ali Fadavi told the Fars news agency.

“It is natural that we [place emphasis] during our trainings, exercises and drills on...becoming prepared for operational goals; and the Americans and the entire world know that one of the operational goals of the IRGC Navy is the destruction of the US Navy,” he said.

Fadazi, who oversees security in the Persian Gulf and the Strait of Hormuz, said when US vessels want to move across the waterway, they are contacted by the IRGC Navy and asked to provide the vessels' identity, purpose, and route of travel, adding, "If the US warships decline to respond, they will come to realize right-away that a large number of our vessels have surrounded them and/or our missiles are locked on them."

"This, of course, does not generally happen," he said.

The Iranian commander said the hulking American warships adrift in the Gulf would be an “easy target” for the IRGC naval forces, given that “we have very precise analyses of the design, construction and structures of these warships and we know how to act.”

Fadavi, who said his forces are in control of the strategic Strait of Hormuz, the strategic chokepoint between the Persian Gulf and the Indian Ocean, demonstrated that he was well-versed in US military literature when he mentioned a book by Robert Gates where the former US Defense Secretary discusses the vulnerability of the US naval vessels to Iranian attack.

“If you take a look at Robert Gates’ book, you will see that he openly recounts the vulnerabilities of aircraft carriers to the IRGC Navy and his demand is that the US naval strategy must change,” Fadavi said.

Last month, an Iranian newspaper reported that Iran's navy was constructing a replica of the USS Nimitz in in order to be used in future military exercises.

"We have been making and sinking replicas of US destroyers, frigates and warships for long years, and we have sunk the replica of their vessels in 50 seconds through a series of operational measures," Fadavi said.

An US Navy official in the Gulf rejected the Iranian claims.

"Whatever Iran hopes to do with the mock-up, it is likely to have zero impact on U.S. Navy operations in the Gulf," Cmdr. Jason Salata, a spokesman for the U.S. Navy's 5th Fleet, which is anchored in Bahrain, told AP.

"Firing weapons at a stationary structure floating on pontoons is not a realistic representation of having the capability to target a 100,000-ton warship ... maneuvering at speeds in excess of 30 knots," he said.

The top Iranian official went on to describe the US naval presence as a source of regional insecurity for the countries on the Persian Gulf, saying that Iran is committed to securing the region.

Fadavi noted that Iran has been seeking closer relations with its Gulf neighbors in an effort to boost regional security, warning that lack of cooperation among regional countries would only serve American interests.
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Regarding yesterday's hotel bombing Aleppo, it clearly looks like a Blackwater type operation, no way thee high class engineers from al-saud, blew up the Hotel, shows how close the Syria Ukraaine crises is connected and how determined uncle is.
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The hypocrisy and cynicism of US policy in the region is summed up in Washington’s denunciation of Syria’s bombardment of ISIS forces in Aleppo, even as it rushes more missiles to Iraq so that Maliki can bomb them in Fallujah.
Maliki has allowed Fallujah to be shelled February onwards.
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/m ... war-tehran
Syria crisis: Iran and Assad have won, say top Tehran foreign policy figures
Insiders say western strategy in Syria encouraged radicals and backfired, leading to threat to European security from returning jihadis

Simon Tisdall in Tehran
The Guardian, Sunday 11 May 2014 15.58 BST

Bashar al-Assad, the Syrian president. Senior Iranian officials say: 'The Americans wanted to replace Assad, but what was the alternative? All they have done is encourage radical groups and made the borders less safe.'
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Iran and its close ally President Bashar al-Assad have won the war in Syria, and the US-orchestrated campaign in support of the opposition's attempt to topple the Syrian regime has failed, senior Iranian officials have told the Guardian.

In a series of interviews in Tehran, top figures who shape Iranian foreign policy said the west's strategy in Syria had merely encouraged radicals, caused chaos and ultimately backfired, with government forces now on the front foot.

"We have won in Syria,"
said Alaeddin Borujerdi, chairman of the Iranian parliament's national security and foreign policy committee and an influential government insider. "The regime will stay. The Americans have lost it."

Terrorism perpetrated by al-Qaida-linked jihadist groups and individuals armed and funded by Sunni Muslim Arab countries was now the main threat facing the Syrian people, Borujerdi said. Many foreign fighters who had travelled to Syria from Britain and other European countries could soon return. "We are worried about the future security of Europe," he said.

Amir Mohebbian, a conservative strategist and government adviser, said: "We won the game in Syria easily. The US does not understand Syria. The Americans wanted to replace Assad, but what was the alternative? All they have done is encourage radical groups and made the borders less safe.

"We accept the need for change in Syria – but gradually. Otherwise, there is chaos."

Shia Muslim Iran is Assad's main regional backer and has reportedly spent billions of dollars propping up the regime since the first revolt against the president broke out in March 2011. Along with Russia, the regime's principal arms supplier, it has consistently bolstered Assad in the teeth of attempts to force him to step down.

Western analysts say Iran is engaged in a region-wide power struggle or proxy war, extending beyond Syria, with the Sunni Arab states of the Gulf, principally Saudi Arabia.

Tehran thus has an obvious interest in claiming victory for the Alawite Syrian regime, which is fighting mostly Sunni rebels, they say. Iranian officials and regional experts deny that is their motive.

Majid Takht-Ravanchi, deputy Iranian foreign minister, said the priority was to accept the rebellion had failed and to restore stability in Syria before next month's presidential elections. "Extremism and turmoil in Syria must be tackled seriously by the international community. Those countries that are supplying extremist forces must stop helping them," he said."Iran has good relations with the Syrian government, though that does not mean they listen to us," Ravanchi said. He denied Iran had supplied weapons and Revolutionary Guards combatants to help defeat the rebels, as western intelligence agencies have claimed. "Iran has a diplomatic presence there. There is no unusual presence. We have no need to arm the Syrian government," he said.

Despite its influence with Damascus and Hezbollah, the Lebanese Shia militia fighting alongside government forces, Iran has been largely excluded from international talks to forge a peace settlement owing to US and British objections that Tehran does not accept the need for Assad to quit .

But following last week's rebel retreat from the strategic city of Homs, the so-called capital of the revolution, some western politicians and commentators have also reached the conclusion that Assad has won.

The US and its Gulf Arab allies have supplied funding, equipment and arms to the Syrian rebels. Last year, the US president, Barack Obama, appeared on the point of launching air and missile attacks over the Assad government's use of chemical weapons, but Obama's last-minute decision to pull back was interpreted in Tehran and Damascus as a sign the US was having second thoughts and was not wholly committed to winning the war.

"I think the Americans made a big mistake in Syria and I think they know it, though they would never say so," said Mohammad Marandi, a Tehran university professor. "If they had accepted the Annan plan in 2012 [which would have left Assad in place pending a ceasefire and internationally monitored elections] we could have avoided all this."

"Iran sincerely believed it had no other option but to support the Assad government. Anything else would have resulted in the collapse of Syria and it falling into the hands of extremists," he said.

More than 150,000 people are believed to have died in the Syrian conflict and at least 9 million have been displaced.
Splendid track record for the yanquis, and their Euro-peon allies under the leadership of "Insane O'Bumbler".beating the retreat from Iraq,Afghanistan,Libya in chaos,Crimea back with Russia and the eastern Ukraine voting in favour of joining Russia....why,it couldn't even launch an "unbelievably small" strike against Syria with the collective help from the camel kingdoms too! No wonder its bum-chums in the Arab world are p*ssed off at the White House. The idea of a sole superpower is dead and buried.
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Still waiting for Assadfall after 2 years. More importantly folks claiming to have the inner ear of Gulf and Indian inner "intelligence". If this is how Indian "intel" really thinks, dangerous days ahead. They might just be really thinking in such loops, and not just claims so by any poster, given that people from that circle after retirement often write and reveal their fads/biases about how they think China/Pak/Afghan/BD state mentality moves.
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Tarek Tweeted this picture of Paki Fourfather's downtown Riyadh in 1937
Imagine the poor & primitive index of them in 7th century
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if the west did not want to use wahabi Isslam for thier foreign policy objecttives it woul dhave still been that way, make no mistake its not oil which has made the west asia prosperous, they could have made Ngeria or worse situation. Its the FOreign policy objectives which has allowed the GCC monarchies to be developed by the West.
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Here they go again! Don't these losers ever learn?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/m ... john-kerry
US and Britain to boost support to Syrian rebels, says Kerry
Saudi Arabia understood to be playing lead role in co-ordinating efforts to arm carefully vetted rebel units in Syria

The US, Britain, and European and Arab states are to increase all aspects of support for the mainstream Syrian opposition fighting to overthrow President Bashar al-Assad, John Kerry said on Thursday.

Speaking after talks in London, the US secretary of state said he would not discuss specific weapons systems or who might supply them, though Saudi Arabia is understood to be playing the lead role in co-ordinating efforts to arm carefully vetted rebel units. The US and Britain say they provide only "non-lethal aid".

Ahmed Jarba, president of the Syrian National Coalition (SNC), had earlier urged the 11-nation Friends of Syria (FOS) group meeting at the Foreign Office to supply anti-aircraft missiles to help counter Assad's air attacks.

"Every possible avenue will be pursued by one country or another," Kerry said. "I'm not going to discuss specific weapons and what country may or may not be providing [weapons], but out of today's meeting every facet of what can be done will be ramped up, and that includes a political effort, aid to the opposition… economic efforts and sanctions."

Jarba spent last week in Washington lobbying for the delivery of Manpad portable missiles, stressing the devastating effect of Syrian government barrel bombs dropped on opposition-held areas. He spoke of trying to "convince the US to give us those weapons, or to convince them to allow our friends to provide us with those weapons". He made the case again in London. "Nobody said no, but nobody made any promises," said one diplomat present.

Jarba's spokesman, Munzer Akbik, told the Guardian "We felt a great deal of understanding for the problem and the need to find a suitable solution. Hopefuly we will find a way."

The foreign secretary, William Hague, said Britain would accord diplomatic mission status to the SNC, after a similar move by the US. He also promised increased UK humanitarian efforts with £30m of extra funding, in particular aimed at getting to areas of Syria that the UN has not yet been able to help. Kerry said the US was willing to follow Britain's example and consider funnelling aid to rebel-held areas using non-governmental organisations instead of the UN. "We are open to the idea of providing aid through any means that will get to people who need it and while a decision has not categorically been made, we are open to anything," he said.

In a short but strongly worded statement, the FOS group condemned Assad's plan for they what called "illegitimate" presidential elections next month as "a parody of democracy". Under a new "co-ordinated strategy," they pledged to "increase support for the moderate opposition National Coalition, its supreme military council and associated moderate opposition groups." Repeated use of the word moderate contrasted with the concern they expressed about "the rising forces of extremism".

Kerry also praised the bravery of British journalists Antony Lloyd and Jack Hill of the Times, who were double-crossed, kidnapped, beaten and shot by a rebel gang in the north of the country.

"This is not the first time that courageous reporters have been part of the heart-breaking story of Syria," he said. "Far too many journalists and innocent civilians have been hurt and killed or held hostage in Syria and just two days ago in Washington we met with many of the families of those who are being held in Syria.

"We are keeping up a very focused effort to try to secure their release. We reiterate our respect and our admiration to reporters who put their lives and their liberties on the line to tell the stories to the world that otherwise people would never learn."
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http://news.yahoo.com/russia-china-veto ... 33562.html
Russia, China veto UN move to refer Syria to ICC
UNITED NATIONS (AP) — Russia and China on Thursday vetoed a U.N. Security Council resolution referring the Syrian crisis to the International Criminal Court for investigation of possible war crimes, prompting angry responses from the proposal's supporters who said the two countries should be ashamed.UN vote on Syria crisis faces Russia veto, again Associated Press Russia says it will veto UN resolution on Syria Associated Press 58 countries urge UN to refer Syria to ICC Associated Press Russia, China veto U.N. bid to refer Syria to international court Reuters China, Russia veto UN attempt to refer Syria to ICC AFP This is the fourth time Russia and China have used their veto power as permanent council members to deflect action against the government of President Bashar Assad. The 13 other council members voted in favor of the resolution.The resolution would have referred Syria's crisis, now in its fourth year, to the world's permanent war crimes tribunal for investigation of possible war crimes and crimes against humanity, without specifically targeting either the government or the opposition.Before the vote, French Ambassador Gerard Araud warned, "A veto would cover up all crimes. It would be vetoing justice."
But Russian Ambassador Vitaly Churkin walked into the council meeting with a smile, telling reporters, "I'm going to be boringly predictable."Churkin, who had called the vote a French "publicity stunt" that would hurt efforts to find a political solution to a crisis, lashed out at France again on Thursday. He asked why France was damaging the unity of the five veto-wielding permanent members, who had agreed on earlier resolutions to eliminate Syria's chemical weapons and on improving delivery of humanitarian aid."Is it just to try once again to create a pretext for armed intervention in the Syrian conflict?" Churkin asked.China's deputy U.N. ambassador Wang Min added that a referral to the ICC won't lead to an early resumption of peace .Frustration has soared as the international community struggles to find a solution to the war, deliver humanitarian aid to almost 3.5 million Syrians in need and end impunity for horrific crimes. Attempts at peace talks are at a standstill, leading the joint U.N.-Arab league envoy who tried to broker them to resign.U.S. Ambassador Samantha Power had her speech ready for the promised veto. "Sadly, because of the decision by the Russian Federation to back the Syrian regime no matter what it does, the Syrian people will not see justice today," she said.
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WSJ Breaking News ‏@WSJbreakingnews 5h

Obama close to authorizing a mission led by the U.S. military to train moderate Syrian rebels. http://on.wsj.com/1gxciLx
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Jhujar wrote:Tarek Tweeted this picture of Paki Fourfather's downtown Riyadh in 1937
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They have now built a Mall City around the Kabba to net the tourist dinars of the momeen - will be the sole source of Income(as used to be in their pious donkey riding days) when the Oil runs out.
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Is there anybody here with an year on the ground in UAE? I keep hearing rumours in local fora that something big is afoot. Sheikh Nathan is very sick/ indisposed and the other Emirates are jostling to have a new non Abu Dhabi President.

If true it will be quite a change.
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Where is ShyamD?
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Moderate Syrian rebels. Haven't these cretins learnt from Iraq.Af-Pak, Libya? O'Bomber and Sancho Panza Joker-ry are inviting disaster yet again.10000 troops will remain in Afg.as juicy targets for the Taliban. Agreat way to keep throwing good money after a bad cause.Did one see how the morons, cannon fodder to be applauded their chief as he announced more billions to fight terrorism? The truth is that O'Bomber and Joker-ry are still smarting from their humiliation by Putin and the Chinese in both the Ukraine and Syria, exposing their impotence.
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^^^^^While Putin is in the Syrian conflict neck deep selling weapons to his buddy Assad and no doubt providing "military advisors", the US has no other option but to respond. I am touched by your concern about our finances. The US will find some way to make do.
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