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Missing the wood for the trees
Myth #3: Stopping the Composite Dialogue helps India put pressure on Pakistan to take action against terrorism.

Within the Pakistani establishment, the military and the ISI are least enthusiastic about the resumption of composite dialogue; as are the various terrorist groups and their sympathisers. Indeed, hardliners in Pakistan are critical of the civilian government for appearing as if it is desperate for talks with India. It is this military-intelligence-jihadi nexus which has been the most vocal about India’s alleged involvement in Balochistan. That is why Mr. Gilani was anxious to take back from Sharm-el-Sheikh some proof of the fact that he had raised the Balochistan issue with Dr. Singh.
On Balochistan, Sharm-el-Sheikh was not the first time the situation in the Pakistani province became an issue in the bilateral relationship. On Dec. 27, 2005, the Ministry of External Affairs made the internal situation there a foreign policy concern: “The Government of India has been watching with concern the spiralling violence in Balochistan and the heavy military action, including the use of helicopter gunships and jet fighters by the Government of Pakistan to quell it. We hope that the Government of Pakistan will exercise restraint and take recourse to peaceful discussions to address the grievances of the people of Balochistan,” it said. Islamabad hit back the same day, with its Foreign Ministry spokesperson rejecting the Indian statement as “unwarranted and baseless”. The statement was “tantamount to meddling in internal affairs,” the spokesperson said, adding, “India often shows an unacceptable proclivity to interfere in the internal affairs of its neighbours”. Next, the Pakistani spokesperson made a comparison with Kashmir: “The statement is all the more surprising from the spokesman of India, a country that has long tried to suppress the freedom struggle of the Kashmiri people…”

Having made Balochistan a bilateral issue in such a public manner, India can hardly object to a Pakistani Prime Minister raising it in a summit meeting or linking it to Kashmir. History will pass judgment on the wisdom of allowing a reference to the rebellious province in the joint statement. But what matters most is not the reference but the reality. If Indian agencies are not involved, no “Kasabs” will ever be found and Pakistan will get little traction from raising the B-word in bilateral or international forums. But if an Indian Kasab is ever found there, the absence of a reference will provide New Delhi no protection from the charge of involvement. The Prime Minister said India has nothing to hide. There is no reason to imagine he was whistling in the dark.
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^^^ India prefers keeping KAshmir, which is admittedly a "dispute issue" between India and Pakistan, off the record..Pakistan goes a few steps in bringing in Balochistan, which is not a dispute of any type with India, into record! We should step up the ante and ask the Pakis to start talking to Brahmdagh Bugti and other Baloch nationalists, and tell them to look into the core issue of Balochistan! Then, as far as semantics go, insist that absence of the K word is the quid pro quo for the absence of the B word in our interactions!!!
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Shocking, somnath, how can you say such a thing?
The Genocide in Balochistan must be stopped! The UN Security council should immediately send UN observers into Balochistan and make sure that conditions are created for a Plebiscite so that the People of Balochistan have the right of Self Determination. India should expand its Humanitarian and Moral and Diplomatic support for the Freedom Fighters of Balochistan.

International concern is especially heightened because Balochistan is a Nuclear Flashpoint between two nuclear-armed powers: Iran and Pakistan. The world needs to act fast to defuse the situation.

As a required first step, Pakistan MUST withdraw it's 700,000,000 soldiers from Balochistan, and stop raping the women of Balochistan 1000 times a day as they are doing now.
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Exactly Narayanan, we would stop our Humanitarian and Moral and Diplomatic support for the Freedom Fighters of Balochistan only if Pak drops the K word from its international lexicon altogether!
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somnath wrote:Exactly Narayanan, we would stop our Humanitarian and Moral and Diplomatic support for the Freedom Fighters of Balochistan only if Pak drops the K word from its international lexicon altogether!
Paki will shut up about K in few years once all the dams on the rivers are build up . It is gonna coincide with generational change in Indian leadership. GBP i.e Gandu Behaviour of Pakistan will force the Indians to either flood or parch Pakis as no one nurture the cold blooded killer creatures.
For B , they have to bend and provide extra sevices.
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Oh, no no no! There is NO LNKAGE between Balochistan and talks, or between talks and terrorism, and hence no link between Balochistan and K(what?).

what Pakistan does in Kashmir is terrorism, as even pakistan has admitted numerous times.

What India does (not) in Balochistan is purely Humanitarian, Moral and Diplomatic support to end the genocide and the other continuous Human Rights Violations.
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^ N^3 I hope that things/events turn out to be as you are putting them across for us here ; as far as the international fora is concerned it was never about the truth/who is right per se; it has always been about who :(( more in the UN and every bilateral or multilateral summit over J&K or the Baloch issue and of course which party does GOTUS and Chipanda support ; munnas like UKstan and Co will line up accordingly.Russians unfortunately have their own issues to address .
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http://www.hindu.com/2009/07/29/stories ... 440900.htm

Stalinist propagandist white washing for Dr MMS. I guess they are still hoping that the dynasty and the congress can be made to dance to their oriental tunes at some future date...

The last para on the Kasab analogy is especially funny..by that logic you can include almost anything in the joint statement...for instance that Indian spies will not bomb their buses, agree not rape their women, did not poison their rivers or
burst their dams and so on..after all it would not matter if evidence is found and would not help TSP if evidence is not found.

In the earlier para he also tries to justify TSP's logic by quoting a statement of condemnation. We condemn / express concern over many things, like many others do, including TSP itself. Does that warrant almost admitting that my father is not hiding in the barn?!

Shows you how far some people go to invent convoluted logic. The same Stalinist mouthpiece blames BJP for raising this issue without 'waiting for PM to clarify' therefore you can expect them to say BJP is wrong in criticising 'especially after the PM has clarified' once the 'clarification' is issued.
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Shows you how far some people go to invent convoluted logic. The same Stalinist mouthpiece blames BJP for raising this issue without 'waiting for PM to clarify' therefore you can expect them to say BJP is wrong in criticising 'especially after the PM has clarified' once the 'clarification' is issued.
Intellectual dishonesty is the curse of Indian intellectuals. They tie themselves in knots trying not to call spade a spade. There is a reason for this. Most of these are dishonest peddlers of the pernicious Marxist or leftist/liberal ideology. Their scholarship is geared not toward unbiased assessment, but to further the cause of the ideology in India.

This modus operandi necessarily gives rise to intellectual dishonesty, straight-faced lies, spins, fudging facts, selective memory and double standards. People sense this and they distrust these intellectuals. Some of these intellectuals are trying to curry favour with the ruling party to get some crumbs thrown at them. These kind of intellectuals with no higher standards than self-agrandisement are easily subverted by Anglo Saxons and employed as useful idiots.
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Its strange how the cookie crumbles...When Sid Vardarajan talks about the G8 declaration on ENR tech, he is the whistle blower to all BRF-ites looking for further proof of "sellout"..when he talks of the SeS statement, he is intellectually dishonest!!

Problem is, IMO he is wrong both times around..
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somnath wrote:Its strange how the cookie crumbles...When Sid Vardarajan talks about the G8 declaration on ENR tech, he is the whistle blower to all BRF-ites looking for further proof of "sellout"..when he talks of the SeS statement, he is intellectually dishonest!!

Problem is, IMO he is wrong both times around..
Dearest Somnath, when SV reports on G8 he is quoting a fact and not an opinion.

The article on SeS is an opinion piece.

Try looking up the dictionary for the two words and their meanings.
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somnath wrote:Its strange how the cookie crumbles...When Sid Vardarajan talks about the G8 declaration on ENR tech, he is the whistle blower to all BRF-ites looking for further proof of "sellout"..when he talks of the SeS statement, he is intellectually dishonest!!

Problem is, IMO he is wrong both times around..
or he is a human with a particular world view :idea: to which some people on BRf agree to parts of it(G8) and vehemently disagree on other(SeS) - or is this some alien concept, where I can support a person on some issue but disagree on some issues.
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ravi_ku wrote:
somnath wrote:Its strange how the cookie crumbles...When Sid Vardarajan talks about the G8 declaration on ENR tech, he is the whistle blower to all BRF-ites looking for further proof of "sellout"..when he talks of the SeS statement, he is intellectually dishonest!!

Problem is, IMO he is wrong both times around..
or he is a human with a particular world view :idea: to which some people on BRf agree to parts of it(G8) and vehemently disagree on other(SeS) - or is this some alien concept, where I can support a person on some issue but disagree on some issues.
For some people it is an alien concept, either you must love the US and kow tow to everything the US says or if you see issues with US agreements you are anti US communists.

Weak minds with weak logical grounds follow this approach, remember who said "with us or against us"
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Minister of state for external affairs Shashi Tharoor on Tuesday :
Some of those who have been attacking the Prime Minister for agreeing to the statement are acting as if every coma, every word, every missing phrase must be passed like a legal treaty. I am not saying that the statement doesnt have weight. If it doesnt have weight , why would the prime ministers of two countries reflect their discussions in the statement he told reporters here.

All Im saying is there is still a big difference between the way in which you understand the meaning of a diplomatic statement and the way in which a legal document is pored over by lawyers. This is not drafted by lawyers. It is not a legal document. It is an expression of summary of a discussion between two prime ministers and that matters is what our PM understands what happened in the discussion and statement and how the two governments conduct themselves on the basis of the statement :?:

Menon briefs Congress MPs on Indo-Pak joint statement
Foreign Secretary Shiv Shankar Menon today briefed the Congress MPs about various aspects of the Indo-Pak joint statement issued at Sharm-el Sheikh, hours ahead of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's intervention on the issue in Parliament.

Menon briefed a group of party MPs from both the Houses on the technical details of the statement so that they were aware of all the details of the communique before the discussion on the issue, sources said here.
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' India scoring own goals against Pakistan ’
India scoring own goals against Pakistan


Pakistan Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani must have gone home chuckling, for never in his wildest imagination would he have assumed that the Indians would score so many own goals in less than an hour especially after the drubbing his President Asif Ali Zardari [ Images ] received at Yekaterinburg, barely two months ago. The score at the end of play was Pakistan four, India zero. This sudden loss of form remains inexplicable and has bewildered and angered many. Some have attributed this to American coaching. The Pakistani commentator Ayesha Siddiqa rubbed salt into our wounds, when she said that "This is an Indian government which is under the influence of the United States."

The four goals came in rapid succession. These were:

"Both leaders agreed that the two countries will share real time, credible and actionable information on any future terrorist threats." Now it is a basic and essential truth of life that we share secrets with those we trust or with those where we have an identifiable common interest or target. Do India and Pakistan have this? There is a clear divergence between pious hopes and attainable goals.

"Prime Minister Gilani mentioned that Pakistan has some information on threats in Balochistan and other areas". The incongruity and irrelevance of these 16 words jars. Pakistan has been blaming the rest of the world, chiefly India and now its benefactor and protector, the US, for its current troubles. It conveniently ignores the fact that its present problems emanate from the Taliban [ Images ] and the Lashkar-e-Tayiba [ Images ], both of which creations of its own malevolence. Pakistan is today paying the price of fighting a two-front jihadi war. Besides, the implication of the words "and other areas" is particularly sinister. Already there are wild accusations of Indian involvement in the terrorist attack on the Lahore [ Images ] Police Academy and on the Sri Lankan cricketers. More terrorist attacks by the Taliban or whoever wants to do this will surely take place in Pakistan. We can be certain that the evil Indian hand will be seen in this. And what if there is an attack on an American facility by the Pakistani Taliban and the orchestrated allegations are that there is an Indian hand?

In Havana, we had raised Pakistan to our level by describing it as a victim of terrorism. In Sharm el-Sheikh, we downgraded ourselves to their level by allowing them to describe us as sponsors of terrorism.

"Both prime ministers recognised that dialogue is the only way forward. Action on terrorism should not be linked to the Composite Dialogue process and these should not be bracketed. Prime Minister (Manmohan) Singh said that India was ready to discuss all issues with Pakistan, including all outstanding issues." The eagerness to resume the Composite Dialogue is mystifying if we at the same time insist that Pakistan must give us satisfaction on the issue of terrorism. Clearly the two -- Composite Dialogue and terrorism will now operate in separate, unconnected silos. What is the leverage that we will have on Pakistan if we are not even going to insist that we be given reasonable comfort before we resume dialogue? Ironically, and after years of hard fought battles with Washington, we now hear voices that suggest that they too have begun to understand and acknowledge the root cause of the problem. There is an increasing acceptance that the war on terror cannot be disaggregated and fought selectively. Admiral Mike Mullen [ Images ], chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, spoke about the need for Pakistan to control terrorism both on the eastern front and the western front. Just when this is beginning to happen, we have wilted.

"Prime Minister Singh reiterated India's interest in a stable, democratic, Islamic Republic of Pakistan". Now why on earth do we have to say this? In the past also we have had our leaders signing at the Minar-e-Pakistan while the Pakistanis mounted assaults on Kargil , we rush off to Karachi and want to certify Mohammad Ali Jinnah's secular credentials and now this. Has Pakistan ever expressed that it wishes to see a democratic secular Republic of India? At least they are honest about this one because no Pakistani leader can afford to say this and get away as this expression undermines the very basis of the two-nation theory that the leaders still cling to in search of an identity that is non-India. For 60 years Pakistan's leaders have been trying to undermine India through the jihadis. It has not worked but it has not been given up either.

S Akbar Zaidi, a Karachi based analyst, was right when he said that India had to acknowledge that Pakistan, the intelligence establishment and groups like the LeT were not going away. In this triangle, Pakistan cannot survive without the other two, the Lashkar survives because of the other two and the intelligence rules over both. In other words, so long as there is Pakistan there will be the LeT backed by the Inter Services Intelligence backed by the army. Zaidi also added that the Pakistani establishment would not pursue cases against the Lashkar operatives involved in the Mumbai attacks and feared that there could be another Kargil or a Mumbai.

In dealing with Pakistan we must accept that its policy on jihad can no longer change. It has pursued this policy for far too long and the belief apparently is that the only way to get out of this mess is to get deeper into it. In the process it is also a state that is increasingly obscurantist with an acknowledged reputation that the country is now ground zero for global jihad. A terribly frightened and miniscule moderate section stands by, unable to stand up to the jihadis' interpretation of Islam.

All this has been said in these columns before but two important writings in recent months would testify to this. One is Arif Jamal's book Shadow War: The Untold Story of Jihad in Kashmir [ Images ]. Jamal's book confirms that Mumbai 2008 was a continuation of Baramulla 1947. The other is an essay by John R Schmidt in the Survival journal entitled The Unravelling of Pakistan which is one of the most honest and sombre accounts of what is happening in Pakistan today and the dangers ahead that threaten the existence of Pakistan with the Taliban now sitting west of the Indus and threatening both Punjab [ Images ] and Balochistan. Since one author is a Pakistani journalist and analyst and the other a former member of the US Foreign Service their views cannot be attributed to Indian prejudice.

What we need to understand is that when Pakistan feels cornered its leaders will seek assistance and sympathy and export mangoes; their purpose served, they will revert to form and export jihadis. The way to handle Pakistan is not through kind gestures and misplaced magnanimity; these are taken as signs of weakness and generally used to bargain for more.

The Pakistani establishment has made full use of its feeling of indispensability to the NATO effort in Afghanistan through provision of intelligence and logistics. As the US has begun to realise coddling Pakistan is counter-productive it needs to disabuse Pakistan of this and explore the routes through Iran and Russia [ Images ]. For this naturally it must stop needling both these countries; if India is required to give comfort to Pakistan to allow it to assist the US effort why not the US give some comfort to both Iran and Russia to enable them to help the US in Afghanistan. Indian presence in Afghanistan is benevolent and it would be unfortunate if this is reduced as this is the one country that has rendered assistance to the Afghan people. Pakistan does not have to be given comfort on this issue. Carrots must reduce and sticks must increase.

Pakistan has to be reinvented before it morphs into something very frightening.

Vikram Sood is former chief of the Research and Analysis Wing
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Vikram Sood is spot on.This govt. of MMS has mortgaged India's dilplomacy and security to the US,grossly mistaking its ability to curb Paki terrorism against India.Pak may very well be the US's rent-boy,doing its bidding in the region,but when it comes to India,it reverts back to usual form and still "pisses" in India's direction.As Vikram Sood said,Pak only behaves when it is shat upon!
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Mani Shankar Aiyar on Balochistan..

Ignore the opinion bit, which is predictable (for a secular fundamentalist!), but note the data - interesting...

First, the province of Balochistan (set up only in 1970 by the Yahya regime) is not a Baloch-dominated province, not even demographically. In the four districts of Balochistan abutting the North-West Frontier Province, Waziristan and Afghanistan, Pushto-speaking Pathans constitute the overwhelming majority, ranging from nearly 99 per cent non-Balochi speaking inhabitants in Zhob to over 88 per cent in Loralai, Pishin and Quetta, while Lasbela, abutting Karachi, is overwhelmingly Sindhi-speaking. Besides, the Makrani dialect is so distinct from Balochi as to be regarded as virtually a separate language in Makran while the Balochi spoken in Chagai, on the border with Iranian Balochistan, is an Iranian version of Balochi that very few other Baloch would follow. Besides, Brahui rather than Balochi is the language of the Baloch heartland. Thus, the principal enemy of Balochi linguistic nationalism is that, by definition, Pushto and Sindhi speakers are excluded from its ambit, although between them they constitute much of the population of the province.
So the Baloch are opposed to the Punjabi dominated Pak "markaz", but also against the Sindhis and the Pushtos...Both Sindhis and Pushtos have their own axe to grind againstt he markaz! :twisted:
Thus the heroic uprisings of Baloch nationalists against the Pakistan government over the past half-century have mostly been undermined by rival Baloch leaders aligning themselves at crucial moments of the struggle with the ruling establishment. Baloch martyrs who command our respect (Nauroze Khan Zehri and Sher Mohammed — “General Sheroff” as Bhutto dubbed him for his pro-Moscow views — of the late ’50s; Zafar Khan Zarakzai and Aslam Gichki of the mid-70s; Aga Suleiman Dawood and Akbar Bugti of this decade) were quickly abandoned by their fellow-Baloch leaders as soon as the Pakistan government opened its doors, however temporarily, to democratically elected Baloch civil political leaders. Indeed, Abdus Samad Achakzai, the “Balochistan Gandhi”, was assassinated by none other than his brother Baloch, Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti — who, in turn, was to die in a cave at the hands of Musharraf’s armed forces
Again, we are saiod to be supporting the Bugtis (now Brahmdagh), whats our leverage with the other tribes?

All of this points out to a propitious situation for us - we can play with all the players - Sindhi, Baloch and Pushtu - and keep the Paki state off balance...But there isnt (at least yet) a neat solution of a breakup...So a stable disequilibrium is an optimal state..
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somnath wrote: So the Baloch are opposed to the Punjabi dominated Pak "markaz", but also against the Sindhis and the Pushtos...Both Sindhis and Pushtos have their own axe to grind againstt he markaz!
There is nothing surprising here. The ethno-linguistic split is deep and opportunistic too. In Karachi, for example, the Sindhis resented the mohajirs earlier on (and continue to do so, of course), the Sindhis and the mohajirs fought the Punjabi domination together (and continue to do so) the mohajirs and the Pakhtuns quarrelled (an continue to do so) etc. etc. The Arab proverb fits these people to a T: Me, against my brothers; me and my brothers against our father etc.

This discussion will have to be taken to the Balochistan thread, perhaps.

Meanwhile, in another 30 mts. our PM and the Congress, appropriately tutored by the mighty mandarins of the MEA, will rise up to defend the indefensible. Let's watch the fun.
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Chaos in LS during the debate as Yashwant Sinha alleges Indian foreign policy has capitulated to the US.

Speakers from the ruling side etc. stick to NDA bashing :roll: and other such wonderful issues which have nothing to do with the debate...
Currently (16:00 IST) Shri Chacko, INC MP from Thrissur doing the honours.

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AjayKK wrote: Speakers from the ruling side etc. stick to NDA bashing :roll:
Currently Shri Chacko, INC MP from Thrissur doing the honours.
Speakers from the ruling side are asking the right questions.
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The PM has spoken.
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http://ibnlive.in.com/news/highlights-p ... 146-3.html

But same old statements on Balochistan ....
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Pakistan promises not to allow its territory to be used for terrorism . . . we will go more than half way . . . poverty is our common enemy . . . we cannot wish away our neighbour Pakistan . . . one more terror attack will strain our relationship . . . have conveyed in strongest possible terms . . . :((
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The distinguished intellectual and strong pradhan mantriji has spoken. Now please lock this thread before some poor SDRE Bania warmonger BRfite bursts a vein and gets himself banned. :roll:
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Pak must honour its commitment to fight terror: PM

All the PM said was the same statements that have been said over and over again in the newspapers and channels since the Sharm-el- Sheikh incident. What was the exact purpose of this "clarification" session and the debates if the same tired and rusted argument was to be repeated?
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AjayKK wrote: What was the exact purpose of this session if the same tired and rusted argument was to be repeated?
Preparation for 2014 election. Nothing Else.
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AjayKK wrote:Pak must honour its commitment to fight terror: PM

All the PM said was the same statements that have been said over and over again in the newspapers and channels since the Sharm-el- Sheikh incident. What was the exact purpose of this "clarification" session and the debates if the same tired and rusted argument was to be repeated?
AjayKK, did you expect the PM to explain his chanakyan approach ? That would have revealed a state secret, won't it ? This chanakyan approach will never be known ! It has to be imagined.
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Dilbu wrote:The distinguished intellectual and strong pradhan mantriji has spoken. Now please lock this thread before some poor SDRE Bania warmonger BRfite bursts a vein and gets himself banned. :roll:
:rotfl:
These are lessons of life! how long can you hold your temper. Anything you say can be used against you... :mrgreen:
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The PM made a statement : " Pakistan had for the first time in history shared investigation in terror attacks against India with us ".

The mere sharing of the dossier "with photographs of people arrested" and acceptance of "non state actors" being Pakistani nationals is being claimed as a victory by the powers that be.

And the statement that "Indo-Pak ties can’t improve if terror attacks continue" is in poor taste. If "terror attacks continue", we still want to talk of "Indo-Pak ties" ?

Even Mulayam ( "gift 2000 crores to Pak") Singh seemed to oppose the logic of talks.
http://www.ndtv.com/news/india/mulayams ... tement.php

All in all, a" badly drafted reply" :) , one would guess.
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archan wrote:
Dilbu wrote:The distinguished intellectual and strong pradhan mantriji has spoken. Now please lock this thread before some poor SDRE Bania warmonger BRfite bursts a vein and gets himself banned. :roll:
:rotfl:
These are lessons of life! how long can you hold your temper. Anything you say can be used against you... :mrgreen:
I smell conspiracy by MMS to reduce BRF membership. This is war of attrition launched on BRF by MMS :lol:
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"Pak shared info with us".Hilarious when we have all the info we need form Kasab.MMS is just filibustering and the Congress chorus in the house with its cacaophonic blustering as usual are trying to fool the nation.Just wait fo the next inevitable attack and let's see the excuses then! If there's no concrete action by Pak within the next month or so aganist those responsible and identified as being behind 26/11,the Opposition should launch a nation wide campaign for the resignation of MMS.It would be a disgrace to India if the anniversary of 26/11 arrived and no action whatsoever was taken against the conspirators or faling Pak's inaction,strong diplomatic action not taken against Pak like terminating soft agreements and expulsion of their diplomats.
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archan wrote:
Dilbu wrote:The distinguished intellectual and strong pradhan mantriji has spoken. Now please lock this thread before some poor SDRE Bania warmonger BRfite bursts a vein and gets himself banned. :roll:
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These are lessons of life! how long can you hold your temper. Anything you say can be used against you... :mrgreen:
Dont rub it in saar.. :lol:
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Philip wrote:. . . .Just wait fo the next inevitable attack and let's see the excuses then!. . .
As GP was saying (I just caught the program in the final moments), at least the Mumbai attack had foreigners killed and a Kasab caught alive and hence whatever pressure was applied on Pakistan by them to reach this stage. The next attack will probably not give us these advantages and we will be back to where we were before.

In today's debate, Mr. Singh was asked why there was such a huge variance in the interpretation of the joint statement by India and Pakistan and why the statement delinked dialogue and terror while the PM continued to insist on India's stance that there would be no dialogue if terror was not addressed. Simple questions only from the un-Chanakyan opposition but all that one could hear was that the Congress did not need any certificate from the BJP.
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The most disgusting part of MMS's clarification is his reference to NDA saying that TSP has admitted to LeT involvement, something Siddarth Vardarajan, hair-split every word MMS said and spin it in his favor. So basically, TSP admitting the obvious that LeT is some great victory, and it is an even bigger one because NDA could not achieve it.
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SSridhar:

Which program are you refering to where GP was on?

We all know what the segue will be. TSP will continue their attacks, and in the international court of opinion, which both India and TSP depend on to score points over each other, it will be equal equal, India says tSP was behind the attack, while TSP denies it and accuses India of terror in Balochistan.
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CRamS wrote:SSridhar:

Which program are you refering to where GP was on?
That was the News with Arnab Goswami in Times Now, just before 7 PM IST today.
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SSridhar garu,

Few days before S-e-S, I got a sense from Paki media that Pak is not about to break up. At least on one occasion just before S-e-S a leading paki journalist expressing sigh of relief saying Pak will be intact. No wonder that journalist was there in S-e-S. There was one statement by UK that said they will be with pak in thik and thin, Pak Army started naming Baitullah target #1, Pak army launched its offensive on itself in SWAT, and from there on everything was downhill.

All the pop corn I bought is rotting.

There were real and serious doubts of Pakistan coming out alive in the very near past but these doubts have been alayed. MMS's harakiri in Egypt nicely ties in with this regardless of its impact to India.
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Times Now : A debate on erring Indo-Pak joint statement - Part 1
4 mins

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vk-JoQGE7HI
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AjayKK wrote:Times Now : A debate on erring Indo-Pak joint statement - Part 1
4 mins

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vk-JoQGE7HI
Good they have not added the part where the Pakistani says we won the war in 1947 and two parts were taken out of India.
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