Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 2011

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 22 Dec 2011 19:47

It was China who got centrifuging tech from the Khan network.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 22 Dec 2011 20:09

On the other hand, it would have been impossible for India to run an operation whereby, having seen the complicity of the US/West in the development of Pakistani nuclear capability, decided that what it could not prevent it would exploit in what would be a very stylish and elegant operation actually. GoI and by extension Indians are, after all incompetent, already sold out to Western interests, incapable of any meaningful intelligence activity, wimps and "pussies" (as someone put it on BRF recently)...

Roperia · Post by **Roperia** » 22 Dec 2011 21:20

Pakistan's terror Central (A Channel14 small documentary) Kinda conveys the message Jamaat-ud-Dawa = LeT. Very brave reporter and cameraman!

Part I

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Part II

Part III

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Part IV

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Part V

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Part VI

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RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 22 Dec 2011 22:02

Shouldn't these videos be titled

How USA and China outsourced Terrorism to Pakistan?

archan · Post by **archan** » 22 Dec 2011 22:16

India needs to find ways to keep these yahoos fighting each other.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 22 Dec 2011 23:01

archan wrote:India needs to find ways to keep these yahoos fighting each other.

Taliban takeover of Pakistan can help.

Usey liquid oxygen mein dal do
Liquid ise jeene nahi dega, aur oxygen ise marne nahi dega

Bhima · Post by **Bhima** » 23 Dec 2011 01:17

Pakistan plot to overthrow government, says PM Gilani

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 23 Dec 2011 01:47

From the BBC link above:

Later, in parliament, he said: "There can't be a state within the state. They have to be answerable to this parliament."

"I want to make it clear today that conspiracies are being hatched here to pack up the elected government,"

Conspirators are plotting to bring down Pakistan's civilian government, Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani has said.

Coming from Gilani, these are very very significant statements.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 23 Dec 2011 02:33

Sindh ka 1857, Zardari Pandey Poached

Reuters: Exclusive: Pakistan army wants Zardari out but not a coup
Pakistan's powerful army is fed up with unpopular President Asif Ali Zardari and wants him out of office, but through legal means and without a repeat of the coups that are a hallmark of the country's 64 years of independence, military sources said.
The military is not the only one who wants Zardari to go.
Mr. 10%, as we was earlier called for asking for bribes left and right, only accidentally became President when his wife Benazir Bhutto was assassinated and their son was too young to lead the family franchise, the Pakistan Peoples Party. Since he took over some two years ago Pakistan went from one crisis to the next one.
Meanwhile the government of Prime Minister Gilani fears it is also a target of a silent coup:Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani on Thursday said conspirators were plotting to bring down his government, giving his most public indication yet that he fears being ousted from power. ...
[H]eading off questions in parliament, he took aim at the military over reports that the defence ministry conceded to the Supreme Court that it had no control over the armed forces or ISI intelligence agency.
“If they say that they are not under the ministry of defence, then we should get out of this slavery, then this parliament has no importance, this system has no importance, then you are not sovereign,” he told lawmakers.“They are being paid from the State Exchequer, from your revenue and from your taxes.”All institutions are subservient to the Parliament, and no institution has the right to create a state within the state, added the prime minister.So far I sensed no intention by the military to bring Giliani down. But if he really expects that the Pakistani military will simply fold and come under pure civilian control the military might well try to get rid of him too.The Pakistani Supreme Court will investigate the memogate scandal in which President Zardari allegedly asked the U.S. to intervene on his side against the military. If it wants to it will surely find enough dirt to kick Zardari out of office. That seems to be the military's plan.

Politicians competing with Zardari smell blood:
PML-N leader Mian Nawaz Sharif has minced no words in demanding that they be held immediately. In a candid interview to the Jang Group in Karachi on Tuesday, Nawaz asked what the point was in running a government that had failed to function and which had lost credibility and respect in the eyes of the people. His half-joking suggestion that elections should come in winter as he personally ‘liked’ that season indicates that the issue of fresh polls has gained urgency within the PML-N.The dark lord, or white knight depending on ones standpoint, Imran Khan is also taking aim:
Pakistan Tehrik-i-Insaf (PTI) chief Imran Khan on Thursday said that the medical condition of President Zardari must be checked – if he is not mentally and physically fit then this might cause serious problems for Pakistan, DawnNews reported.
The stage is set and I find it unlikely that Zardari will keep his current position for much longer. New parliament elections may well be coming too.One wonders what the U.S. position will be on this issue. Not that it has much leverage. The report on the U.S. attack on the Pakistani outpost that killed 24 Pakistani soldiers and closed the U.S. transport line through Pakistan is just coming out and it blames both sides:

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 23 Dec 2011 02:44

Chaubis Ghanta, clock on wall bolle tick tick tick

BREAKING NEWS: Next 24 Hours Are Crucial??????

New York: As prime minister of Pakistan Yousaf Raza Gillani is loosing his patience and started talking openly against the conspiracy against the democracy and on the other hand president Asif Ali zardari is doing his "home work" to confront with any possible upcoming challenge, some well placed sources are claiming that time has come for some kind of "big development."What kind of "big development" and how it would take place are the questions, not being answered but the sorces are claiming that ext 24 hurs are very crucial and there chances that this crucial situation could bring a change in Pakistan.Why, Who, When, Where and What kind of change or big development could be seen in the very near future? these are the "five Ws" or the five major questions need answers.But prime minister Syed Yusuf Raza Gilani while addressing a gathering at the launch of an exhibition of rare photographs of Quaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah and Pakistan Movement at Pakistan National Council of the Arts (PNCA), indicated something 'fishy' and said conspiracies were being hatched to oust the elected government, but vowed to fight for the rights of the people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 7Su4s#t=5s

A significant part of prime minister address that "there cannot be a State within a State. Nobody can say that he is not under the government," are being termed very meaning ful by political pandits.Every institution of this country including the Ministry of Defence is under the Prime Minister of Pakistan", he added.He said there should be no ambiguity about it and nobody should claim himself as an independent. "They are being paid from the State Exchequer, from your revenue and from your taxes."

(Gillani asked fauj which Visa Osama was Holding ,living in Poaknalla for 6yeras)

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 23 Dec 2011 03:39

Q. Will the jihadi Supreme Court of TSP swing into action by taking suo motu action against Dr. Xerox Khan and try and execute him for treason for aiding 'the enemy country' with designs for centrifuges based on the Playboy article? (or will the court feign ignorance that Playboy magazines are not available in TSP and hence will have to let him off for lack of prosecutorial evidence?). I think GoI should 'leak' some memos about AQK making available centrifuge designs to India and whip up the Paki Abduls into a frenzy and watch from the sidelines the 'purification' process of enrichment!

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 23 Dec 2011 03:48

Seems like Groper is doing a downhill ski! Wasn't he the one that valiantly announced that the Army and ISI were under civilian control?

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 23 Dec 2011 04:12

Can somebody explain the legal fiction that the Paki SC is using? I thought the investigation/prosecution is only against Haqqani. How can it be used to force Zardari out? Besides isn't the President immune from prosecution while still in office?

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 23 Dec 2011 04:22

El Presidente is mentally unfit onlee, hence immune from prostitution but not from prosecution. Kursi merchant and Fauj's mahdi Imran Khan is also making noises in that direction. Pakistan needs Imran Khan as their PM, he is a honest Pakistani*, the Indo-Pak peace process and reconciliation needs a strong and honest Pakistani like Imran Khan.

* a honest pakistani is one who lies to everyone including himself without making distinction between friends and foes

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 23 Dec 2011 04:28

>Can somebody explain the legal fiction that the Paki SC is using?

It's fiction boss, they are making it up as they go along ... only when they don't want to do anything do they revert to existing statutes

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 23 Dec 2011 04:39

Victoria number 204
TIkram Sehgaal .POW. PB.BW

The Supreme Court observed that if the president chooses not to reply to the allegations raised in the petition than by default he is accepting its substance. If Asif Ali Zardari does not distance himself from Haqqani, he will be in deep trouble because of the rule of law. As it is, giving presidential protection to Haqqani renders guilt by association. If the president does cast him out in the cold, than the nature of Haqqani will take its course: where is the surety he will not turn state’s evidence to save his own neck?
Political Pakistan is undergoing wholesale transformation. To start with, the present emasculation of the PPP, from its once pre-eminent status of the only real national party of Pakistan, is a real tragedy. Asif Zardari may have concentrated political power as never before since Z A Bhutto’s rule, but his close aides are more entrants to the party. The PPP old guard has been discarded or sidelined, some left the party out of sheer frustration and the dissenting voices of those sulking in their “winter of discontent” have been stifled by various means, fair and foul – mostly foul. With the masses disenchanted with Shahbaz Sharif’s running of Punjab, the PML -N has also lost ground. Mian Nawaz Sharif has not helped by standing by Ataullah Khan Mengal’s side while Mengal was calling the Pakistani army “a Punjabi army.” While “kill and dump” methods must be stopped forthwith, Mengal does not seem to have any qualms about “Baloch youth” murdering those “Punjabis” living for ages in Balochistan. Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain having sacrificed politics at the altar of Moonis Elahi’s greed, the PML-Q continues to disintegrate, albeit in slow motion. By the way, has anyone heard of (or from) Zulfikar Mirza lately?
With “electables” joining the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf in droves, the PTI now looks like a political party should. The situation is now ripe for the acid test of popularity at the polls, but this cannot happen without a resolution of the NRO issue and the Memogate scandal. That is the domain of the Supreme Court. Political power seems to have perceptibly shifted from the Presidency to the Prime Minister’s House, or is this only an illusion? Prime Minister Gilani’s handing over the telephone to Kayani while receiving a call from Zardari from Dubai put the army chief in an awkward position vis-a-vis public perception about a “deal being struck.” That was probably Gilani’s aim, and the impression is reinforced by the president’s return the next night. This constant spinning of the truth defines Zardari’s PPP, and our uniformed persons repeatedly get entangled in such a web.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 23 Dec 2011 05:07

Pretty strong statement from Groper:

Prime Minister Gilani made his unprecedented remarks - perhaps his most direct attack on the military - in the context of Osama Bin Laden's killing. He said the commission he set up to investigate how Bin Laden was able to live in Pakistan undetected for six years, had, under military influence, now come around to investigating his own government for issuing visas to alleged US agents who tracked down Bin Laden.

Mr Gilani said the civilian government provided a defence to the military against international pressure after Bin Laden's killing.

Also, his government doubled the salaries of the soldiers despite financial constraints to acknowledge their sacrifices. But, he said: "they cannot be a state within the state. They have to be answerable to this parliament".

Mr Gilani's outburst is indicative of the pressure the military is reportedly exerting on his government over the memo scandal.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 23 Dec 2011 06:31

At various times in their tortured history, civilian leaders who have spoken otherwise strongly against PA's intervention in governance, have themselves run to the PA demanding them to intervene. A similar drama is being enacted now. I believe that there is an informal agreement between Nawaz Sharif and the PA (Shahbaz Sharif maintains a close contact with the PA and the jihadis) over the question of the ouster of the PPP. The biggest mistake of PPP was to let Shuja Pasha & Kiyani address a joint session of the National Assembly which restored their image after Abbottabad and allowed them to dominate the investigation by appointing military men in the investigating commission.

Had the politicians remembered history, they would have used that opportunity to cut the PA to size at the second biggest opportunity (after 1971) that presented itself. As usual, they decided tactical brilliance was more appealing and decided to beat the USA with violating sovereignty. The abduls went raging over the US unilateralism, which was what the PA wanted. Of course, that helped the PA at the cost of the politicians. The PA has these wretched politicians eating out of its hand.

The PA, instead of being brazen and seizing power, has decided to be sophisticated these days and do back seat driving. The recent admission of 'guilt' by the CENTCOM will, instead of earning brownie points for the US, will only earn more wrath from the abduls. This will only harden the sentiments against the US and those who are seen associated with that country like Haqqani (the better one), and India.

The Lahore rally proved that. The PA might now instigate more rallies across the country to destabilize the PPP government. An interim government or an early election appears a distinct possibility. Zardari's permanent abdication of Pakistan must also be on the cards now as otherwise he may end up like his father-in-law (judicial murder) or his wife (PA's murder). All in all, Pakistan is going to be even more interesting in the coming weeks.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 23 Dec 2011 07:01

India, Pakistan to discuss CBMs

In the area of nuclear CBMs, a further expansion could include pre-notification of cruise missile launches and discussions to tackle a Fukushima-type incident and eliciting a no-first-use commitment from Islamabad.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 23 Dec 2011 07:05

RCase wrote:Seems like Groper is doing a downhill ski! Wasn't he the one that valiantly announced that the Army and ISI were under civilian control?

Oh, yes. But, like any Muslim who is allowed to lie in a good cause (as per Zia), he made that statement then when the situation demanded so.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 23 Dec 2011 07:34

Obama Should Apologize: BY C. CHRISTINE FAIR

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 23 Dec 2011 07:34

Groper's testimonials have been groped by pliars by Fauji foundation. He is speaking the fauji language now!! GO GROPER!! Sack Kayani!! you have the right!!!

Groper!! shout Do bechare (KAYANI aur pasha) bina sahare!!! visa de de ke hare!!!

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 23 Dec 2011 07:49

U.S. still won’t say “I’m sorry” for killing 24 Pakistani soldiers

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 23 Dec 2011 07:59

Nandu wrote:Can somebody explain the legal fiction that the Paki SC is using? I thought the investigation/prosecution is only against Haqqani. How can it be used to force Zardari out? Besides isn't the President immune from prosecution while still in office?

Doctrine of necessity

Munir declared it was necessary to go beyond the constitution to what he claimed was the Common Law, to general legal maxims, and to English historical precedent. He relied on Bracton's maxim, 'that which is otherwise not lawful is made lawful by necessity', and the Roman law maxim urged by Ivor Jennings, 'the well-being of the people is the supreme law.'

arun · Post by **arun** » 23 Dec 2011 08:20

X Posted from the Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation thread.

Claim that A.Q. Khan proliferated centrifuge technology to India:

AQ Khan gave nuclear tech to India: US arms expert

The referenced article by Joshua Pollack in Playboy of all places:

The Secret Treachery of A.Q.Khan

Added Later: Oops saw Aditya V had already posted the article in the previous page.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 23 Dec 2011 08:24

Why the Haqqani Network is Not on the Foreign Terrorist Organizations List

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 23 Dec 2011 08:31

Did anybody asked this question "Abdul Qadir Khan was creating Nukes to Target India!! why would he give those to India? "

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 23 Dec 2011 08:35

^ that is not the real question.

1. Is AQK a traitor?
2. Is he not a Muslim?

menon s · Post by **menon s** » 23 Dec 2011 08:38

Former Pakistan Army Chief Reveals Intelligence Bureau Harbored Bin Laden in Abbottabad

Former Pakistani Army Chief General Ziauddin Butt (a.k.a. General Ziauddin Khawaja) revealed at a conference on Pakistani-U.S. relations in October 2011 that according to his knowledge the then former Director-General of Intelligence Bureau of Pakistan (2004 – 2008), Brigadier Ijaz Shah (Retd.), had kept Osama bin Laden in an Intelligence Bureau safe house in Abbottabad. In the same address, he revealed that the ISI had helped the CIA to track him down and kill on May 1. The revelation remained unreported for some time because some intelligence officers had asked journalists to refrain from publishing General Butt’s remarks. [1] No mention of the charges appeared until right-wing columnist Altaf Hassan Qureshi referred to them in an Urdu-language article that appeared on December 8. [2]

In a subsequent and revealing Urdu-language interview with TV channel Dawn News, General Butt repeated the allegation on December 11, saying he fully believed that “[Brigadier] Ijaz Shah had kept this man [Bin Laden in the Abbottabad compound] with the full knowledge of General Pervez Musharraf… Ijaz Shah was an all-powerful official in the government of General Musharraf.” [3] Asked whether General Kayani knew of this, he first said yes, but later reconsidered: “[Kayani] may have known – I do not know – he might not have known.” [4] The general’s remarks appeared to confirm investigations by this author in May 2011 that showed that the Abbottabad compound where bin Laden was captured and killed was being used by a Pakistani intelligence agency (see Terrorism Monitor, May 5). However, General Butt failed to explain why Bin Laden was not discovered even after Brigadier Shah and General Musharraf had left the government.

General Butt was the first head of the Strategic Plans Division of the Pakistan army and the Director General of Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) under Nawaz Sharif, Prime Minister of Pakistan from 1990 to 1993, and again from 1997 to 1999. Sharif promoted General Ziauddin Butt to COAS after forcibly retiring General Pervez Musharraf on October 12, 1999, but the army’s top brass revolted against the decision and arrested both Prime Minister Sharif and General Butt while installing Musharraf as the nation’s new chief executive, a post he kept as a chief U.S. ally until resigning in 2008 in the face of an impending impeachment procedure.

will there ever be a day, where all the ex isi chiefs face the rogues gallery at the international court of justice for crimes against humanity!
http://www.jamestown.org/programs/gta/s ... b405dae77b

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 23 Dec 2011 08:42

never!!! Pakistan is a rogue state and has no reason to live apart from its motherland (india) and the land will come back to the lap of India, minus of its Arabian Sunni islamists.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 23 Dec 2011 08:47

A rogue state must be separated, lest it will destroy the mothership.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 23 Dec 2011 08:51

abhishek_sharma wrote:Obama Should Apologize: BY C. CHRISTINE FAIR

Fair didi seems to suffer from bi-polar or depending on her satisfaction or lack thereof with some TSP TFTA bloke, she oscillates between a passionate lover and a jilted lover. Just a few weeks ago, she was full of fire and brimstone in taking on TSP. Now she sounds like a pathetic apologist. The fact that US even admitted to some bogus error is an apology. Usually US uses facts selectively. Had US wanted to put TSP on the dock, the only fact that would have been released is the fact that TSPA fired on them first. But admitting to some bogus error, they have saved TSP's H&D.

But I like her comparison between TSP & Iran

. Nobody in DC would have the guts to say that. Either she is naive or she is in denial that the whole Iran thingy is more about Israel than about US.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 23 Dec 2011 09:32

SBajwa wrote:Did anybody asked this question "Abdul Qadir Khan was creating Nukes to Target India!! why would he give those to India? "

No No! Xerox Khan did give nuke tech to India. The Kafirs will now nuke the momin with their own Islamic nukes

And if they don't work - you know why...<snigger snigger>

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 23 Dec 2011 09:33

RamaY wrote:A rogue state must be separated, lest it will destroy the mothership.

Pakistaniat is the famous roge which cant be cured by Hakim Lukman or any other Pishachkologist . The patient and disease must die like Bhai together.

Djinnah ne lagga diya kaisa yeh Roge
Kehte hai loge,
Ki
Jannat nahi ayegge !!
Jindagi saari, abb bekar jayegi.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 23 Dec 2011 09:43

http://www.dawn.com/2011/12/23/world-ba ... istan.html

WASHINGTON: The World Bank on Thursday said it would provide Pakistan with $5.5 billion in development aid over the next two years.“The Bank has responded flexibly in the face of the tremendous challenges Pakistan has gone through over the past year or so,” said its Pakistan country director Rachid Benmessaoud.
“We will continue our strong support to Pakistan, while keeping a keen eye on implementation to ensure that these efforts translate into real results on the ground,” he said.The bank’s progress report on its Pakistan program said its efforts had been disrupted over the past two years by the devastating floods of 2010-2011, ongoing security problems as well as “slow economic reform”.“Shifting the focus and resources in response to the floods led to a delay in infrastructure investments,” it said.It said Pakistan’s economic recovery from the floods and other problems remains slow, with growth of 3.9 per cent expected next year.“A range of governance, corruption and business environment indicators suggest that these areas remain a challenge,” it added.The funds include $4 billion in development assistance and $1.5 billion from the bank’s International Finance Corporation, which helps private sector firms.

“We are committed to helping Pakistan realize its potential especially in key sectors such as infrastructure, renewable energy and agribusiness,” said IFC Middle East director Mouayed Mahlouf.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 23 Dec 2011 09:48

Serius request. Can't get Playboy in India. Could someone pleae scan the Xerox supplied nukes to India article and put it up? It can be used for some pissops.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 23 Dec 2011 09:52

Did i not say this
US offers compensation to Pakistan

WASHINGTON: The United States has offered to send a team to Pakistan to brief the military on the findings of its investigation into the Nato raid, the State Department said on Thursday.“We accept responsibility for mistakes committed by the US side in the Nato air strike incident” that led to the death of 24 Pakistani soldiers, the department’s deputy spokesman Mark Toner told a briefing.The US, he said, was prepared to offer compensation to the families of troops who lost their lives.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 23 Dec 2011 10:04

What worries me of this pathetic appeasement of TSP by US is this. MMSJI and his supporters will now go on overdrive guboing before TSP, perhaps inviting Kiayani for a state visit with red carpet welcome at the Taj in Mumbai, and they will say jee even the superpower kissed and made up with TSP, why not India.

archan · Post by **archan** » 23 Dec 2011 10:34

shiv wrote:Serius request. Can't get Playboy in India. Could someone pleae scan the Xerox supplied nukes to India article and put it up? It can be used for some pissops.

The same issue has motorham Lindsay Lohan in full natural glory. I know you like Angelina Bhabhi, but some like freckles...just sayin' ...

Are you sure you want the AQ Khan pages only?

partha · Post by **partha** » 23 Dec 2011 10:41

Jhujar wrote:Did i not say this
US offers compensation to Pakistan

WASHINGTON: The United States has offered to send a team to Pakistan to brief the military on the findings of its investigation into the Nato raid, the State Department said on Thursday.“We accept responsibility for mistakes committed by the US side in the Nato air strike incident” that led to the death of 24 Pakistani soldiers, the department’s deputy spokesman Mark Toner told a briefing.The US, he said, was prepared to offer compensation to the families of troops who lost their lives.

But Pakistan has already rejected the US probe report. Will Pakistan reject the probe but accept the compensation?