Amber G. wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 11:13
Best explanation I have heard :
" Brahmins are ...[not crude] pooja oil"
While people like Navarro have very little idea of what they are talking about, we shouldn't fixate too much on the "brahmin" appellation. In USA "brahmin" is often used to denote "elite" in general, and not the actual caste/jati/varna that is meant in Bharat. For example, there is a luxury/high-end handbag brand named Brahmin. The same is true of the word "pundit" in western lingo, which does not mean the traditional definition of a pandit in Bharat.
While people like Navarro have very little idea of what they are talking about, we shouldn't fixate too much on the "brahmin" appellation. In USA "brahmin" is often used to denote "elite" in general, and not the actual caste/jati/varna that is meant in Bharat. For example, there is a luxury/high-end handbag brand named Brahmin. The same is true of the word "pundit" in western lingo, which does not mean the traditional definition of a pandit in Bharat.
KL Dubey ji,
What about janeudhari brahmins??
Dikh raha hai kiraye ki dhoti phen kar aaye ho
Read what I said and go figure - otherwise, good luck to you. Once again, out of courtesy: my 4-sentence post said that Indian words have entered western lexicons with different meanings. Navarro and the rest of the crowd are racists and should be dealt with. You can continue.
Read what I said and go figure - otherwise, good luck to you. Once again, out of courtesy: my 4-sentence post said that Indian words have entered western lexicons with different meanings. Navarro and the rest of the crowd are racists and should be dealt with. You can continue.
Don't be so touchy, KL Dubey ji.
unless you thought that
Dikh raha hai kiraye ki dhoti phen kar aaye ho
was aimed at you.
It was not.
It was meant for that eyetaaliaan interlocuter
but if one has inadvertently overstepped somewhere else, please do tell. I will fix it
Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV
Posted: 03 Sep 2025 19:17
by Rakesh
https://x.com/FinestYew/status/1962787106767675592 ---> MAGA is the greatest gift French diplomacy in India has ever received. They have gained even more than the Russians & Chinese have from this situation.
Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV
Posted: 03 Sep 2025 21:11
by Manish_P
Rakesh wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 19:17https://x.com/FinestYew/status/1962787106767675592 ---> MAGA is the greatest gift French diplomacy in India has ever received. They have gained even more than the Russians & Chinese have from this situation.
I just hope the French don't send us a large Statue of Liberty as a token of their appreciation....
Though I wouldn't mind if we can gift them (the french) a large Statue of Saraswati
Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV
Posted: 03 Sep 2025 22:50
by chetak
PM Modi’s meeting with Cai is a message to anti-India baiters in China
Shishir Gupta
Sept 02, 2025
Cai Qi is right hand man of President Xi Jinping. He rarely meets foreign visitors.
New Delhi: In the power circles of the Chinese Communist Party, he is known as the man who does not smile. Known as the right-hand man of Chinese President Xi Jinping, Cai Qi is the most sought-after man by foreign diplomats in Beijing, but he is out of bounds for most. Yet, President Xi asked him to meet Prime Minister Narendra Modi and discuss India-China ties, literally triggering a major diplomatic earthquake in Tianjin.
Cai, who wears multiple hats in CPC and is a feared man in Beijing, met PM Modi for over 45 minutes discussing how to normalize ties between two Asian giants. And he smiled.
Before the start of the dialogue, Cai reportedly told PM Modi that he had been tasked (by President Xi) to give lunch to him but then I was told that you are not into eating. During the entire SCO summit, Cai did not openly meet any visiting leader and was present at the PM Modi-President Xi bilateral meeting the same day.
Although nothing classified was discussed during the PM Modi-Cai meeting, the engagement has sent signals to all anti-India baiters in China, as Cai carries respect in the Communist nation. That Cai was asked to meet PM Modi by President Xi bodes well for bilateral ties that have now speeded towards normalization. Cai is the first ranking member of Secretariat of Communist Party of China and member of the Politburo standing committee but ranks do not matter, only proximity to the paramount leader does.
While the close ties between China and Pakistan are a matter of serious concern to India, New Delhi cannot hold its bilateral ties with China hostage to Pakistan engagement. It has decided to normalise ties step by step with China and move towards pre-May 2020 level with stable and tranquil border being at the centre of the relationship. This also means that India and China will be seen converging on multi-lateral/global issues like terrorism, climate change and fair trade.
Given the history of border friction between the two giants, the step towards apex-level military dialogue at the commanders' (Lt General/Major General) level will help sort out border issues without delay and also help in demarcating the non-contentious portions of the border. The bilateral meetings with President Xi and strongman Cai Qi on the sidelines of the SCO summit fuel hope of stable ties between the two countries, who were military rivals just five years ago.
A new strategic alliance between the United States and India would be established by a treaty, subject to advice and consent by the U.S. Senate.
...but to paraphrase the late U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, you must do diplomacy with the United States you have , not the one you might prefer.
Some will also credibly ask whether India’s democratic backsliding would make such an alliance untenable. There are real challenges in India on pluralism, civil rights, and the rule of law, but the relationship should be mature enough to sustain an honest conversation with the government of India and Indian civil society about these trends.
India will need to make a long-term strategic choice to break its dependence on Russia for defense and energy. This is a choice that New Delhi can and should make for its own reasons, not out of deference to Washington.
Will give all this nonsense gyan above and then state the below. Hypocrisy, thy name is United States of America!
On the Indian side, some will ask—particularly now with nationalist sensibilities running hot—whether a U.S.-Indian alliance will impinge on India’s strategic autonomy. The very idea of an alliance will be strange and scary to the inheritors of the Non-Aligned Movement, which India helped spearhead during the Cold War. But a strategic alliance is not mutually exclusive with strategic autonomy. India and the United States are both proud and independent countries. Alliances are about alignment and common purpose—not about sacrificing sovereignty.
Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV
Posted: 04 Sep 2025 21:59
by uddu
The confidence of these people or naivety of it.
Commerce Minister Piyush Goyal Believes India & U.S. Will Be Friends
'There could be misunderstandings or some personal opinions but that doesn't deter US & India from maintaining a strategic alliance,' says Commerce Minister Piyush Goyal while dismissing the growing tensions between India and US.
Full video
Commerce Minister Piyush Goyal On GST Cuts, US Tariffs, Growth & More
Piyush Goyal Exclusive | Big GST reforms decoded! Key interview after landmark GST reforms, Q1 GDP cheer & the tariff turmoil.
Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV
Posted: 04 Sep 2025 22:09
by Rudradev
That's diplomacy. You say what you need to say with a smile, but keep the bagal-mein-chhuri sharp.
Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV
Posted: 04 Sep 2025 22:10
by gakakkad
^ I think that's just solid diplomacy . Not expressing true feelings and outwardly adopting a de-escalatory posture. Remember Indian Army is in Alaska for exercises. India was holding exercises with Philippines even when India's SCO vijjit and Sreeman 11's India vijjit was being finalized.
This government is actually quite chankian. And I think November for trade deal is because SCOTUS decision on trade deal is in November. Modi Sarkar has demonstrated ability to maintaining niceties while sharpening knives while keeping cash registers open for business.
Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV
Posted: 04 Sep 2025 22:10
by gakakkad
Wow Rudradev. Awmta
Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV
Posted: 04 Sep 2025 22:30
by Amber G.
gakakkad wrote: ↑04 Sep 2025 22:10Remember Indian army is in Alaska for exercises ...
I recently met a few Indian Navy officers in US, who were attending a few-month course at the U.S. Naval War College (This is routine). This underscores the ongoing U.S.–India naval cooperation at the professional level, even amid occasional top-level frictions. Notably, some of these officers were in India during Operation Sindoor .. highlighting the continuity of strategic engagement.
Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV
Posted: 05 Sep 2025 03:04
by A_Gupta
The issues India has are with this specific President and some members of his administration. Provided Trump & co do not inflict too much damage, this relationship will rebound; except that India will take all US commitments as having a higher risk of non-performance.
Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV
Posted: 05 Sep 2025 03:43
by Ambar
A_Gupta wrote: ↑05 Sep 2025 03:04
The issues India has are with this specific President and some members of his administration. Provided Trump & co do not inflict too much damage, this relationship will rebound; except that India will take all US commitments as having a higher risk of non-performance.
Problem is, it may also "rebound" if they do a regime change and put a pilant sellout at 7 Race Course Road. The opposition is being actively guided by Washington, i'd like to remind people again that JNC riots, anti-CAA riots and agro-terrorist riots/blockade of Delhi all happened when Trump was the President. I always knew US, irrespective of who is in power, will come after India after they are done with Russia and China, looks like they are running ahead of schedule because neither Russia nor China are budging.
Five Indian-origin executives — including Satya Nadella (Microsoft), Sundar Pichai (Google), Sanjay Mehrotra (Micron), Vivek Ranadive (TIBCO) and Shyam Sankar (Palantir) — were at the table. Their presence underscored the growing clout of Indian Americans in Silicon Valley and Washington, even as Trump moved to crack down on immigration.
Elon Musk was not there..
Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV
Posted: 05 Sep 2025 09:42
by Kati
MAGA escalates U.S.–India tensions into cultural clash
For MAGA, which views domestic culture wars as inseparable from foreign policy, the rupture is an opening to reframe U.S.-India relations as a civilizational clash.
Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV
Posted: 05 Sep 2025 09:44
by Y. Kanan
Amber G. wrote: ↑12 Aug 2025 21:19
FWIW: I’ve spent over half a century in the US, and I’m baffled that anyone still finds this “betrayal” amazing.
By any reasonable measure, the current “equal-equal” equivalence between terrorists and their victims is unprecedented in its ugliness — worse than anything I saw even in the Nixon era (and I’ve been here in the US watching closely since the Johnson/Kennedy years, so trust me on that). What makes it more disheartening is that it was entirely predictable, and yet one of the biggest conmen in US (or even Indian) history still manages to command an almost cult-like following. I still hope we come out ahead and sanity prevails — but there are some tough times ahead.
... and yet even now, most of the pro-US Indians on this forum are pushing the narrative that it's all just Trump and the MAGA people, that everything will be back to normal After this administration ends. The consensus here is wait this out, take our lumps in the meantime, then jump back into bed with the USA as soon as a new regime is installed.
This thinking astounds me. I just have to shake my head and admit the truth: we are indeed a weak people, still saddled by a colonial mentality and gora worship.
Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV
Posted: 05 Sep 2025 10:01
by A_Gupta
No. Just as India-China relations are likely to go to the pre-2020 state, India-US relations will likely go back to the pre-2025 state, which by definition is “normal”. It doesn’t mean take lumps in the meantime, nor “jump back into bed”, especially since India was never in bed, so there is no jump back.
Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV
Posted: 05 Sep 2025 12:54
by drnayar
Kati wrote: ↑05 Sep 2025 09:42MAGA escalates U.S.–India tensions into cultural clash
For MAGA, which views domestic culture wars as inseparable from foreign policy, the rupture is an opening to reframe U.S.-India relations as a civilizational clash.
what "civilisation" can America refer to ?.. Red "Indian" ?
Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV
Posted: 05 Sep 2025 14:09
by chetak
A_Gupta wrote: ↑05 Sep 2025 10:01
No. Just as India-China relations are likely to go to the pre-2020 state, India-US relations will likely go back to the pre-2025 state, which by definition is “normal”. It doesn’t mean take lumps in the meantime, nor “jump back into bed”, especially since India was never in bed, so there is no jump back.
A_Gupta ji
scrambled eggs cannot be unscrambled
the eggs have to be broken to make them
An omelette cannot be reconstituted back into its original constituents
the eggs have to be broken to make them too
there is no going back to the "normal", since that largely undefined entity has evaporated, (the eggs have been broken, omelette made, and the egg shells have been thrown away and now there are new eggs in the basket, with a different set of chefs working in a new kitchen)
"normal" means different things to different countries, depending on shifting interests and re alignments, changing geopolitics, security paradigms and the centrality of supreme national interests, crassly juxtaposed with nobel prizes
There is only the dynamic "new normal", with its destroyed trust, decimated credibility, and the shenanigans of an alleged soooper power with a untrustworthy geopolitical leadership and the callous lack of commitment to its allies and friends
There will be a pushback, even as countries quickly figure out a way around the sanctions and tariffs, and new markets evolve to absorb what was once going only to the amriki markets.
the eurotrash are more to blame than the amrikis as they were the original drivers of this unprovoked attack on the russians
and somewhere along the way, the amriki MIC saw an opportunity to line it's own pockets, while forcing the eurotrash to foot the bills and there the matter stands, with trump and his bull in the china shop act running amok
zelensky is the biggest problem, because he simply knows too much, and obviously Putin also knows. He did not run the KGB for years and not without learning a thing or two or three
He will be butchered within a few weeks of a peace deal being signed, after he is made to disclose where he has stashed the billion$ of unaccounted money
the eurotrash and amriki politicos are complicit in this loot that has been going on for years
India is going to be taking a good hard look at both at the amrikis and the eurotrash.
We had become somewhat complacent and lazy in our geopolitical out look towards such ex colonial powers, believing more in some think tanki generated hype
It’s good to maintain a dialogue. No harm can come from talking. But there cannot be any alliance, because the US always wants to dominate and dictate terms. They want camp followers. Obviously we will not align.
India has already chosen the path of strategic and economic atmanirbharta. If the US or any other friendly nation chooses to walk with us, they can. If they don’t, then good luck to them.
Another viewpoint below. I’m not quite sure what’s being said. India is handling matters in a calm and mature manner. Only the one with a mess inside their own head can clear it up. All I see is evidence of even more mess every day.
There are sound reasons for not abandoning the Indo-US partnership. First, unlike during the Cold War, the relationship is not bereft of substance. Tariffs aside, the US and India have a viable trade relationship. Neither country, especially India, can afford to easily dispense with it. Second, since the momentous US-India nuclear agreement of 2008, albeit in fits and starts, the two countries have forged a robust defence and security partnership. Walking away from this carefully constructed strategic relationship will bode ill for their shared interests in maintaining a free and open Indo-Pacific, a theme that both sides have repeatedly reiterated. Third, decades ago, a noted American scholar of international politics, Robert Axelrod, had developed a concept, “the shadow of the future”. This notion, pared to its essentials, holds that states, even when confronted with an adversarial moment, should bear in mind that they will have to deal with each other in the foreseeable future. Accordingly, Axelrod argued that even if one party was intransigent at a particular juncture, the other party should not shut the door on future positive interactions.
Following the policy guidance that can be derived from his theoretical formulation, New Delhi should not adopt a bellicose stance toward Washington. Instead, it should, despite significant domestic pressures to the contrary, demonstrate a willingness to sustain the relationship. To that end, it should eschew any overheated public language, continue to maintain existing channels of communication with the United States and show a willingness to address the Trump administration’s stated concerns.
I was with him until the bolded part above. A very good trade deal was already discussed and available to be signed. It’s up to those around Trump to make him see sense. If he doesn’t want to, it’s out of our hands. We need to move on.
Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV
Posted: 05 Sep 2025 16:47
by chetak
eklavya wrote: ↑05 Sep 2025 14:54
It’s good to maintain a dialogue. No harm can come from talking. But there cannot be any alliance, because the US always wants to dominate and dictate terms. They want camp followers. Obviously we will not align.
India has already chosen the path of strategic and economic atmanirbharta. If the US or any other friendly nation chooses to walk with us, they can. If they don’t, then good luck to them.
Another viewpoint below. I’m not quite sure what’s being said. India is handling matters in a calm and mature manner. Only the one with a mess inside their own head can clear it up. All I see is evidence of even more mess every day.
Following the policy guidance that can be derived from his theoretical formulation, New Delhi should not adopt a bellicose stance toward Washington. Instead, it should, despite significant domestic pressures to the contrary, demonstrate a willingness to sustain the relationship. To that end, it should eschew any overheated public language, continue to maintain existing channels of communication with the United States and show a willingness to address the Trump administration’s stated concerns.
I was with him until the bolded part above. A very good trade deal was already discussed and available to be signed. It’s up to those around Trump to make him see sense. If he doesn’t want to, it’s out of our hands. We need to move on.
eklavya ji,
What don dump envisages for India is a colonially contrived, pre-existing vassal status that he thought the britshits had ingrained in us. They are enough brown sahibs, both in India and in amrika for him to get that impression.
Whereas, Modi ji's India wanted friendship, along with all the little privileges that a "ally" status seemed to imply and a non partisan attitude to push her growth agenda using fair trade, and a decidedly non kinetic geopolitical cooperation based on a transparent rules based order.
India's long standing addiction to non alignment and preference toward multipolarity is well known the world over.
a lot of Indians did not see this switch and bait scenario until the tariff fertilizer hit the fan and and don dump started to demand his pound of flesh for something that he had never delivered. His strategy for India is the same as Xi's, smile and salami slice.
his inexperienced leadership is dangerous at best and an existential threat for India at worst, and being a pawn on his crooked chessboard is far more dangerous than being an enemy because he changes chessboards so frequently and unexpectedly.
he still thinks that bullying Modi ji will get him what he wants and it's just a matter of time.
Or, did he misread Modi ji completely, just like the arrogant pakis did, and they are still paying the price for it.
US President Donald Trump today said in a social media post that it "looks like we've lost India and Russia to deepest, darkest China," before sarcastically wishing all three countries a "prosperous" future.
Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV
Posted: 05 Sep 2025 17:32
by gakakkad
Indian citizens who are in fence about BJP vs Congress should just look at how Trump is and that should be more than enough for them to know the consequences of Pappu being the PM.
Trump should be a cautionary tale about what can happen if you lie on Chaman Chutiya's head a government. Not that India needs external analogies for that.
Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV
Posted: 05 Sep 2025 17:36
by Amber G.
Tanaji wrote: ↑05 Sep 2025 17:04
The orange one is complaining India is lost.
Tanaji wrote: ↑05 Sep 2025 17:04
The orange one is complaining India is lost.
Slight correction (but significant), sir ji - the orange one is saying that The US has lost India.... not that India is lost.
(i am not usually a grammar nazi, but couldn't resist this time )
Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV
Posted: 05 Sep 2025 18:29
by vijayk
Right now Orange man and US needs China badly very badly because they have to but their bonds. They can antagonize India and tell China "Look! We dropped India and handed them to you". They don't think of consequences. If tomorrow they overcome the bond crisis and survive, they think they can always bring India back.
Whether right or wrong, they always think in these terms.
The game is always like this ...
Defense co-operation, Equipment and training together
Biden played Modi dictator, bad man, communal game along with Soros, media and India insiders to please China. Trump playing a different game.
Will China fall for it and stop selling bonds and buy more?
Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV
Posted: 05 Sep 2025 18:32
by Manish_P
chetak wrote: ↑05 Sep 2025 16:47
What don dump envisages for India is a colonially contrived, pre-existing vassal status that he thought the britshits had ingrained in us.
...
His mother was a Brit (from Scotland) wasn't she ?
I strongly suspect he has a Winston Churchill fixation (whose mother was american, father was a Brit, Secretary of State for India)
...They are enough brown sahibs, both in India and in amrika for him to get that impression.....
And a whitish brown sahib on whom they are laying their hopes
Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV
Posted: 05 Sep 2025 19:03
by chetak
Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV
Posted: 05 Sep 2025 19:18
by gakakkad
Overall this ll make Indian position stronger . Everyone important in the west is crapping in their pants right now and saying wtf trump .
Apparently for the sp500 companies he has a loyalty list . CEOs are for now willing to attempt sucking up than rebelling and waiting for taco to happen.
Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV
Posted: 05 Sep 2025 19:38
by VinodTK
Why Trump Turned on India & Why It Backfired: The Sandeep Unnithan Show
Must watch interview with Bharat Karnad
In this hard-hitting episode of the Sandeep Unnithan Show, former member of the National Security Advisory Board Bharat Karnad explains how Donald Trump’s attempted to “punish” India and damage its dignity. He argues Trump reduced India–US ties to flattery and loyalty, exposing Washington’s transactional mindset. Karnad warns of America’s drift towards China, its pressure during Pakistan crises, and its technology denial. Contrasting Russia’s steady support, he calls for India to pursue self-reliance, decisive military strategy, and leverage its pivotal position against China and Pakistan.
Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV
Posted: 05 Sep 2025 20:56
by uddu
MEA says, “India-US ties will move forward on basis of mutual respect” amid Trump’s tariff tantrums
MEA says, “India-US ties will move forward on basis of mutual respect” amid Trump’s tariff tantrums
Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV
Posted: 05 Sep 2025 20:59
by vijayk
Clown has only one way to deal with others. He blows up in his undies. We are seeing those affects
, not the one you might prefer.
. There are real challenges in India on pluralism, civil rights, and the rule of law, but the relationship should be mature enough to sustain an honest conversation with the government of India and Indian civil society about these trends.
, not out of deference to Washington.
or naivety of it.
