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http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i= ... =MID&s=TOP
Antony, meanwhile, said India was giving up a project to locally build a short-range surface-to-air missile called Trishul (Trident).
The project has been dogged by frequent failures during trials in the past few years.
Guess Vidwanshak will be used as anti-material rifle where as Gepard will have more of anti-sniper role. It may also be for dedicated special ops. Compare the weight!ranganathan wrote:What about the vidhwanshak? Why is IA so desperate to buy from abroad?
That is if the report that we bought it is accurate!
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Where did Anthony say that, check the PIB release I posted in Missiles thread.khukri wrote:http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i= ... =MID&s=TOP
Antony, meanwhile, said India was giving up a project to locally build a short-range surface-to-air missile called Trishul (Trident).
The project has been dogged by frequent failures during trials in the past few years.
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Feb 27, 2008 :: India says no to logistics deal with US, for now
Under the LSA, Indian and American militaries propose to provide each other with logistic support, refuelling and berthing facilities for each other's warships and aircraft, spares and other services on a reimbursable or equal-value exchange basis. ...................................
India, however, is ready to sign other defence pacts like the Communication Interoperability and Security Memorandum of Agreement (CISMOA) and the End-Use Verification Agreement of US-sold defence equipment.
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Budget promises modest boost for defence
I personally think they should be able to spend 90-95% of capital outlay
This can't be true, worst could be that they only utilized 70% of the capital outlay, even that would be too bad.But it failed to spend around 70 per cent of its $10 billion allocation for capital outlay because of red tape.
I personally think they should be able to spend 90-95% of capital outlay
This can't be true, worst could be that they only utilized 70% of the capital outlay, even that would be too bad.Katare wrote: But it failed to spend around 70 per cent of its $10 billion allocation for capital outlay because of red tape.
I personally think they should be able to spend 90-95% of capital outlay.
The actual figure that remained unspent is Rs 3,500 Crs.
India Boosts Defense Budget to $26.4 Billion
India needs about a decade of 10-15% increases in defense budget and must get it to at least 2.9-3% of GDP. By 2020, India should have a $80+ billion defense budget.agence france-presse
Published: 29 Feb 13:21 EST (08:21 GMT)
NEW DELHI - India on Friday jacked up defense spending by 10 percent to $26.4 billion, the steepest hike since independence to fund a mammoth modernization program.
Finance Minister Palaniappan Chidambaram boosted expenditure for the fiscal year ending March 2009 from the previous allocation of $24 billion, saying security was of paramount importance.
India plans to spend at least $30 billion until 2012 to modernize the military with an immediate purchase of 126 war jets costing $12 billion followed by ships, submarines, artillery and other hardware in coming years.
Chidambaram set aside $12 billion for arms purchases during the current fiscal year after New Delhi promised the armed forces will not face funds shortages in the drive to upgrade materiel.
"Any further amount that is needed for the defense forces, especially for capital expenditure, will be provided," he told parliament.
The 1.23-million-strong army, the world's fourth-largest, received $9 billion to help modernize mechanized divisions, artillery and air defense units.
Chidambaram also set aside millions of dollars in addition to the annual defense outlay to set up institutions and schools for families of servicemen and women.
He committed $1.85 billion to the navy which is shopping for six submarines in addition to the six it bought last year from Armaris and European defense firm MBDA for $3 billion.
The 137-ship navy is also in advanced negotiations to buy eight long-range reconnaissance planes from either US-based Boeing or the European consortium EADS for $2 billion, besides building a nuclear-powered submarine.
Chidambaram allotted $2.71 billion for the air force which is still flying ageing Russian MiG jets.
The remaining funds were marked for research development and ordnance factories which are in the process of deploying India's guided and ballistic missiles that can carry nuclear warheads.
Defence Minister A.K. Antony hailed the budget. "The modernization drive would continue full steam," he said.
"The armed forces had been hit by a resource crunch in the 1990s and now time has come to equip them with latest weapons and systems to ensure that country's borders are safe.
"The modernization would be across the board in all three services -- army, navy and air force -- as well as in country's strategic programs like missiles," he told reporters.
However, senior commanders privately said the funds may not suffice to meet the long-term modernization program.
"The 10 percent increase will barely offset our nearly five percent inflation rate and 40 percent funds will go for the upkeep of assets and our existing manpower," a senior infantry commander said.
The unprecedented increase was likely to be closely monitored in Pakistan which has accused nuclear rival India of sparking an arms race by spending almost 3 percent of GDP on its million-plus military forces.
For the current fiscal year which ends March 31, India increased defense spending by 7.8 percent.
Also, India for the first time set aside $125 million to be spent on the "urgent needs of development of border areas" such as the northeastern Arunachal Pradesh state, which is claimed in full by China.
US agrees to address issues of high-tech transfers in defence
Add one more, to the "patronizing headline" counter.New Delhi (PTI): The US on Friday agreed to address issues related to licensing in high-technology transfers in the field of defence with regard to India as the two sides held talks to ways to enhance cooperation in this sector.
At a two-day meeting of High Technology Cooperation Group (HTCG) here, the two sides also decided to hold discussions on the US' new Validated End-User (VEU) Programme as India insisted that Washington's export control policies should "keep pace with the transformed relationship" between the two countries.
The meeting also discussed ways to increase cooperation in the areas of nano-technology, bio-technology and information technology through enhanced transfers.
In the area of defence, the Group agreed on an ambitious plan to give an impetus to high technology transfers and trade that would address all issues related to licencing, a joint statement issued after the meeting said.
The plan would also address issues related to implementation of India's defence offsets policy, encouraging collaborations at all levels, including small and medium enterprises, it said.
At the sixth meeting of the HTCG, the Indian side was led by Foreign Secretary Shivshankar Menon while Under Secretary of Commerce Mario Mancuso headed the US delegation.
On nano-technology, the two sides agreed to focus on commercial application of cost-effective solutions for the benefit of society in the areas of health, energy, potable water and sustainable development.
New Gates mission
Sandeep Unninathan.
Sandeep Unninathan.
So P8I is almost finalized.Why he was here
Logistics support agreement: Allows US ships and aircraft to be refuelled and vice versa.
Status: Matter pending with the Cabinet Committee on Security. Left Front opposed to it.
Communication interoperability and security memorandum of agreement: A must for all countries that purchase US equipment.
Status: Yet to be ratified by India.
Arms sales: India is buying maritime patrol aircraft, transport and heavy lift choppers worth over Rs 16,000 crore from the US.
Status: Price negotiations for P-8I maritime patrol aircraft have begun. Purchase of C-130J cleared.
End-user agreement: India to allow inspection of sensitive military equipment sold by the US.
Status: India has not signed the agreement. Refused physical inspections, opted for end-user certificate.
New Gates mission
Sandeep Unninathan.
Sandeep Unninathan.
However, India may eventually sign the Communication Interoperability and Security Memorandum of Agreement (CISMOA)—a must for all countries that purchase sophisticated command and control equipment—if it is to receive high-tech US equipment like the P-8I Poseidon aircraft. It allows for interoperability with US equipment.
Nothing will move until the State Department lifts a finger. That is where the absolute bottle neck exists. And that is where the Saudi Barbarians, Pak-is-Satanists and assorted other Muslim groups hold sway.Tilak wrote:US agrees to address issues of high-tech transfers in defence
Add one more, to the "patronizing headline" counter.New Delhi (PTI): The US on Friday agreed to address issues related to licensing in high-technology transfers in the field of defence with regard to India as the two sides held talks to ways to enhance cooperation in this sector.
At a two-day meeting of High Technology Cooperation Group (HTCG) here, the two sides also decided to hold discussions on the US' new Validated End-User (VEU) Programme as India insisted that Washington's export control policies should "keep pace with the transformed relationship" between the two countries.
The meeting also discussed ways to increase cooperation in the areas of nano-technology, bio-technology and information technology through enhanced transfers.
In the area of defence, the Group agreed on an ambitious plan to give an impetus to high technology transfers and trade that would address all issues related to licencing, a joint statement issued after the meeting said.
The plan would also address issues related to implementation of India's defence offsets policy, encouraging collaborations at all levels, including small and medium enterprises, it said.
At the sixth meeting of the HTCG, the Indian side was led by Foreign Secretary Shivshankar Menon while Under Secretary of Commerce Mario Mancuso headed the US delegation.
On nano-technology, the two sides agreed to focus on commercial application of cost-effective solutions for the benefit of society in the areas of health, energy, potable water and sustainable development.
Avram
So,the chinook has been decided?Arms sales: India is buying maritime patrol aircraft, transport and heavy lift choppers worth over Rs 16,000 crore from the US.
Status: Price negotiations for P-8I maritime patrol aircraft have begun. Purchase of C-130J cleared.
Dont recall reading anywhere that the Heavy lift Helo trials was conducted...So,another govt to govt deal for the chinooks?
If we go with the P8I, our ASW platform for next few decades becomes hostage to Unkil whims and fancies..........
During any crisis in the near future(when the Bears and Il-38May are retired and our only ASW platform is American P-8), Unkil will simply stop spares for P8I to maintain "neutrality" and our entire ASW platforms will maintain a hangar presence during hostilities!!!!
Maternal Uncle held AG hostage! (The P-8Is are coming because this same Uncle did not do a good enough job!).......Unkil will simply stop spares....
Only choice, which has been discussed in all colors and shapes, is to build our own. I suspect the "Spare" topic should kick start the GoI. Hopefully.
Need to move on, tho' the topic/concerns are valid.
Budget: Defence armoured by 10%
If the projected GDP for 2008-2009 is taken, India's defence expenditure falls below 2% of the GDP for the first time in decades despite military experts demanding 3%.
That might be harder than it looks.. P8I will be based on Boeing civilian products like 737 and hence will be much harder to sanction.... the only thing they can sanction might be some of the subsystem for ASW...sum wrote:So,the chinook has been decided?Arms sales: India is buying maritime patrol aircraft, transport and heavy lift choppers worth over Rs 16,000 crore from the US.
Status: Price negotiations for P-8I maritime patrol aircraft have begun. Purchase of C-130J cleared.
Dont recall reading anywhere that the Heavy lift Helo trials was conducted...So,another govt to govt deal for the chinooks?
If we go with the P8I, our ASW platform for next few decades becomes hostage to Unkil whims and fancies..........
During any crisis in the near future(when the Bears and Il-38May are retired and our only ASW platform is American P-8), Unkil will simply stop spares for P8I to maintain "neutrality" and our entire ASW platforms will maintain a hangar presence during hostilities!!!!
India has never had any such experience as you describe with American equipment. The only thing they have done is impose sanctions after the nuclear test. Most of this is old KGB propaganda that we still whip up over and over again. The Iranians who bought the F-14 under the Shah still are able to get their planes to fly despite decades of sanctions and constant hostility.sum wrote: If we go with the P8I, our ASW platform for next few decades becomes hostage to Unkil whims and fancies..........
During any crisis in the near future(when the Bears and Il-38May are retired and our only ASW platform is American P-8), Unkil will simply stop spares for P8I to maintain "neutrality" and our entire ASW platforms will maintain a hangar presence during hostilities!!!!
Even if we go for the P-8 we would most likely be able to get parts unless India does something like test nuclear weapons again. You forget that we are a customer also, a BIG customer at that. In this day and age of so many options from Russia, Europe, Israel, etc we also have a bargaining point in case of any political pressure.
What is going on here. Defence budget is suppose to be in tune with reality, challenges we are facing and we will face. Contrary to reality, defence budge is going down instead of going up. Pakistani fig leaf is nothing but total hogwash, they just want to regroup, rearm. Lest we forget the bhai chara of 1998 and the back stabbing will lead to another kargil.Gerard wrote:Budget: Defence armoured by 10%If the projected GDP for 2008-2009 is taken, India's defence expenditure falls below 2% of the GDP for the first time in decades despite military experts demanding 3%.
The MSG-90 is an urban Sniper Rifle (like the PSG-1) and the Indian Army has no use for it. The MSG-90 will be found in the NSG inventory and maybe limited use by Special Forces by the Army as such does not use it in any capacity. The MSG-90 was bought in extremely limited numbers to warrant a mention in Army Inventory.IA already uses MSg-90. I am not sure if buying a few of all models us the way to go?
IMO sniper Training, Doctrine , Tactics and Equipment need a serious overhaul. India generally does not have a great sniping culture and hence this capability has never been exploited. As Indo-American ties becoming better instead of Buying Planes and Ships from them we should also seek access to their Marine Sniper/Scout School so that we can set one up here.
India, Israel negotiating $1.5 bn defence deal
Is this refering to LR-SAM project or something new?
Israel Aerospace Industries is negotiating a $1.5 billion deal with India to set up a defence system using innovative long-range missiles with a range of more than 100 km, a media report said in Jerusalem.
The deal also includes radar systems made by IAI's subsidiary, Elta Systems Limited, unmanned aerial vehicles, and possibly satellites build by the company as well, business daily Globes reported.
India's Supreme Procurement Council(CCS?)is said to have approved the deal a few months ago and Israel Aerospace Industries CEO, Yitzhak Nissan, is now in negotiations over the details.
IAI had last month launched its TechSAR all-weather, high-resolution radar satellite using an Indian launcher in collaboration with the Indian Space Research Organisation.
India is the largest purchaser of Israeli arms and the strong defence ties between the two countries is clearly demonstrated in the high profile visits of chief of staffs of all the three Indian armed forces during the last two years
Is this refering to LR-SAM project or something new?
India's defense capital/acquisition budget has been increased by 27% (to Rs 48K corer or $12Billion) this year, which is a very handsome size and increase by any yardstick. The capital component of budget now stands at very healthy 45% of total budget.
In any case the modernization of armed forces is limited by the bureaucratic capacity to spend allotted money rather than the availability of the money itself. Major reforms of procurement policies are under way at MoD to correct it but worries about media scandalism, fear of political vendetta by opposition and prosecution by 3 Cs will still force neta/babu/brass to go slow on major deals.
Availability of money has not been a problem for armed forces in last 7-8 years, although MoD/Armed-force’s ability to spend it is the real bottle-neck.
In any case the modernization of armed forces is limited by the bureaucratic capacity to spend allotted money rather than the availability of the money itself. Major reforms of procurement policies are under way at MoD to correct it but worries about media scandalism, fear of political vendetta by opposition and prosecution by 3 Cs will still force neta/babu/brass to go slow on major deals.
Availability of money has not been a problem for armed forces in last 7-8 years, although MoD/Armed-force’s ability to spend it is the real bottle-neck.
sum wrote:Werent there reports that we had managaed to indeginise WLRs and they would soon be accepted into the forces after user trials??
Why are we hunting for new WLRs then?
Meanwhile, India is using two leased AN/TPQ-37 Firefinder weapon-locating radars from the United States. The Army is opting for the SRS as a cheaper and equally effective method as Firefinder, said an Army official.
The reason i had asked the question was :
http://www.defenceindia.com/company_news/news133.html
Also,
http://www.freshnews.in/india-acquires- ... adars-5721
http://www.defenceindia.com/company_news/news133.html
Surely,if user trails were in 2006, they must have been ready by now....It (weapon locating radar) is in the final stage of evaluation. Once evaluation is complete, we will deliver it to armed forces," chairman and managing director of BEL, Y Gopala Rao, told reporters on the sidelines of the international radar symposium India-2005 being held here
Also,
http://www.freshnews.in/india-acquires- ... adars-5721
We already seem to have bought ten WLRs and if reports were true, our indigenous WLR must be ready...So,why the need for further purchases(Unless what SunilUpa says about acoustic locators working along with WLRs is correct)The Indian Army has taken delivery of all the 12 sophisticated Weapon Locating Radars (WLRs) it had contracted to buy from leading US arms manufacturer Raytheon.
Ten of the 12 Firefinder radars had been supplied till last year, and the remaining two recently, according to a report in the coming issue of India Strategic defence magazine, an advance copy of which has been made available to IANS.
Designated AN-TPQ/37 Firefinder, the radars are used to locate and destroy hostile artillery fire. The army had actually projected their requirement in the early 1980s but their urgent necessity was felt when in the 1999 Kargil war it suffered more than 80 percent of its casualties to Pakistani artillery fire.