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ramana wrote:BCW trial run? Need to get DNA sample of the plague bactiria. In the post Latur plague in India(~1994?), there were reports of DRDO labs confirming there was human intervention in the palgue bactiria and BB going shrill about locking the borders.
Latur plague?

IIRC, it was the Surat plague and yes, I had my suspicions about its origins myself.

In hindsight, makes sense it was a chini scheme coz the porkis lack the patience to wait out this long since 1994 to attck yindia if they had control over the bacterial agent.

Does seem like cheen might seek to wipe out/ ethnically cleanse tibet in another way.... What a scary thought!
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Chinese intel officials who were in charge of tibetan affairs are being sacked.
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China plans dams across Tibet
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... Tibet.html

China is set to build more than 750 hydroelectric power stations across Tibet to boost the region's electricity supply.


By Malcolm Moore in Shanghai
Last Updated: 7:24AM BST 14 Oct 2008

China is determined to dam Tibet's rivers and lakes despite concerns about the local environment and about the effect the projects will have on neighbouring countries.

Among others, Tibet is the source of the Yangtze, the Indus and the Brahmaputra rivers. Almost half the world's population live in the irrigation basins of rivers that originate in Tibet.

In the last eight years, the Chinese government has invested 2.9 billion RMB (£244 million) in building hydroelectric power stations and it now wants to step up the pace of construction.

In the past, Tibetans have opposed many of the projects. In particular, the project to dam the holy Yamdrok Yumtso, or Scorpion Lake, which lies at 14,500 ft above sea level and is thought to contain the spirit of Tibet.

More than 1,500 members of the People's Liberation Army now guard the lake, and no civilians are allowed near.

Chinese officials maintain, however, that the hydropower projects are the least environmentally-damaging way of electrifying the region and raising living standards. Wang Qinghua, the head of the regional power board, said over 1.9 million Tibetan residents, or 69 per cent of the population, now have access to electricity, a 400 per cent increase from the figure three decades ago.

The Longtan hydropower station in Nanning will come on line before the end of the year, according to Dai Bo, the general manager. Only the Three Gorges Dam and the unbuilt Xiluodu Dam project are bigger in size than the 4,900 megawatt Tibetan dam.

Longtan will cost around Pounds2.5 billion and is a key project for China's western provinces, boasting the highest concrete dam in the world and the largest underground industrial complex.

More than 80,000 Tibetans were relocated so that it could be built on the upper reaches of the Hongshui river.

Two other major power stations have come online in the last year. The latest was a 40,000 kilowatt power station which started up at Gongbo'gyamda County in east Tibet two weeks ago.

Wang Lidong, director of the station's construction, said it had cost 60 million and would ease power shortages in the area.
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Kathmandu, center of U.S. espionage in South Asia
The new U.S. embassy in Kathmandu occupies the grounds of a former CIA safe house and operations center in the Nepali capital. The embassy, in the Maharajgunj district of Kathmandu, is a one-block long fortress-like structure and the subject of derision among the Nepali people. The embassy is built along Stalinesque architectural standards now common with new U.S. embassies around the world: stark, rectangular structures that convey the notion that the United States is an impenetrable fortress that is closed to the outside world.

A drive-by of the embassy did not afford the opportunity to take a photograph of the monolithic building because the embassy frontage is well protected by Nepali contract security personnel.

WMR has spoken to a number of informed Nepali and foreign sources who confirmed that espionage has been and is the number one priority of the American diplomatic mission in Nepal’s capital. The current U.S. ambassador is Nancy Powell, who one Nepali official described as “weird.” Powell has done nothing to convince the Bush administration to drop its designation of the Maoist Communist Party that now governs Nepal in a coalition with two other Communist parties, as a “terrorist organization.”

There is widespread belief among the intelligence community that the Bush administration may try to carry out another massacre like the one its helped to plan and carry out against the royal family in 2001. This time, former Maoist People’s Liberation Army (PLA) of Nepal is being disarmed with a plan to integrate it with the Nepali Army and Police. In the meantime, the PLA have been directed to containment camps supervised by the United Nations Mission in Nepal (UNMIN), which is now trying to slow the military integration process, as well as delaying the process of writing a new constitution for Nepal. The stalling action by the UN and UNMIN head Ian Martin, against the backdrop of the U.S.-Indian nuclear deal, may be a prelude for another coup in Nepal, one designed by the United States to destabilize a country that sits between China and the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) and the South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation (SAARC). In the event of a coup, the disarmed PLA ranks would be sitting ducks for a massacre similar to the bloody anti-Communist purge in Indonesia in the 1960s, carried out by the Indonesian government with the support of the CIA.

The new U.S. embassy was built without Nepali contractor assistance. Instead, the State Department contracted to have construction personnel brought in from Turkey, Kazakhstan, and Egypt, driving up labor costs because the foreign workers were housed in some of Kathmandu’s most expensive hotels.

The embassy is built on the grounds of the Brahma Cottage, a center for the operations of the CIA’s and State Department’s joint Surveillance Device Unit. The CIA contracted with Nepali contractors to carry out surveillance of the palace of the then-Prince Gyenendra and Nepal Police Headquarters. Gyanendra became King after the June 1, 2001, regicidal coup d’etat against the royal family, which saw Gyanendra accede to the throne. The Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist) and its coalition partners later deposed Gyanendra and declared a new Federal Democratic Republic of Nepal.

The Brahma Cottage CIA center, which was next door to Gyanendra’s palace, was also used by the CIA to plan the regicide and coup d’etat with the assistance of former Nepali police officers and the cooperation of India’s Research and Analysis Wing (RAW). The old U.S. embassy was across the street from Brahma Cottage.

In September 2002, this editor wrote, “In the months leading up to the Nepali coup, the CIA established an office in the Maharajgunj District of Kathmandu, next door to the residence of Prince Gyanendra. Witnesses reoprtedly saw streams of Nepali police and military officials streaming into the offices. Other U.S. ‘civilians,’ said to be with private military contractor CIA fronts like MPRI, were also seen arriving at the offices. In the spring, a U.S. Special Operations Forces team arrived in Kathmandu on a secret exercise code-named Bailey Nightingale I. The cover for the exercise was said to be earthquake disaster training. But it now appears it had another disaster in mind. The military team was composed of U.S. psychological operations (PSYOPs) personnel adept at coming up with tales like the one about the Crown Prince murdering his family.”

Crown Prince Dipendra was reported to have shot his entire family in a pique of rage over a his choice of a bride. The BBC report of the incident exemplified the psyop used to spread the word about the Crown Prince killing his family: “The King and Queen of Nepal have been shot dead after the heir to the throne went on the rampage with a gun before turning it on himself. Eleven people died in the incident which started when Crown Prince Dipendra allegedly had a dispute with his mother over his choice of bride. King Birendra, Queen Aishwarya and Prince Niranjan were among the victims of the tragedy at the royal palace in Nepal’s capital, Kathmandu. The other victims included three of the King’s children, his two sisters and one more member of the family by marriage.” The report by the BBC, which increasingly acts as an echo chamber for British intelligence, was false.

However, a senior Nepali intelligence officer told WMR that Dipendra did not kill himself but was shot to death by a royal guard. There is reason to believe that Dipendra was the first person shot in the royal massacre.

The CIA’s involvement in Nepal’s covert operations is nothing new. From 1956 to 1962, the CIA ran a Tibetan exile Khampa guerrilla army that launched attacks within Tibet from bases in the small kingdom of Mustang, a principality in Nepal on the northern border with Tibet. After India lost its two wars with China in the early 1960s, the CIA reactivated its Tibetan guerrilla army to open a front against China, which was militarily supporting North Vietnam and the Vietcong, in Operation Shadow Circus.

In August 1974, the CIA ordered the liquidation of its last Tibetan guerrilla army leader Wangdu Gyatotsang and his men after Secretary of State Henry Kissinger began opening up to China and, in a Ribbentropian policy, began cutting loose U.S. allies in Southeast Asia and gave approval to India’s swallowing up of the Kingdom of Sikkim. According to intelligence sources, the CIA received the approval of the Dalai Lama in Dharamsala, India in using other Tibetan contractors to eliminate the last Tibetan guerrilla army. The CIA was more concerned about its secret operations in Mustang becoming public than in protecting its own guerrilla forces.

In 1987, the CIA’s station in Kathmandu oversaw the burglary of the German Democratic Republic’s embassy in Kathmandu. According to a Nepali intelligence official, among the items taken from the embassy were code books, encryption machines, and classified documents. The operation was carried out with the assistance of the First Secretary of the East German embassy and a Nepali police inspector. Both were spirited out of Nepal and given political asylum in the United States.

Documentarian Yoichi Shimatsu, in his film “Prayer Flags,” points out that the CIA continued to use Nepal as a base for its covert operations throughout the 1990s when it used the guise of installing seismographic and geological monitoring systems to place surveillance systems and sensors at high elevations in the Himalayas.

The new Maoist-led government of Nepal has told Mustang’s powerless and nominal king, Jigme Parwat Bista, that his small principality was being abolished, along with the other three small kingdoms of Salyan, Jajarkot, and Bajhang. However, Bista was not a supporter of the last king, Gyanendra, according to informed sources in Kathmandu. His kingdom’s past support for the CIA’s operations against China has resulted in “blowback” in his kingdom being abolished by Nepal’s Maoist government.

The CIA’s old Nepal proprietary airline, Fishtail Air, founded by a veteran of Camp Walker in Seoul, South Korea, still flies around Nepal.

Nepal also served as a terror nexus between individuals connected to the CIA in Kathmandu and the Dawood Ibrahim criminal syndicate that carried out the March 12, 1993 bombings of the Bombay Stock Exchange, Bombay hotels, cinemas, and shopping centers that killed over 300 people. The bombings were a reprisal for the destruction of the Babri Mosque at Ayodhya by Hindu extremists. Over two thousands Muslims, including women and children, were massacred by rampaging Hindus after the mosque’s destruction. Ibrahim is now believed to be hiding in Pakistan.

Currently, the U.S. embassy in Kathmandu continues to conduct covert operations against China, mostly through non-governmental organizations (NGOs) like the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) and Trace Foundation, a Tibetan support group run by Andrea Soros Colombel, and funded by her father, George Soros. The recent outbreak of violence in Tibet by pro-independence Tibetans was an attempt at fomenting yet another “colored themed” revolution by Soros, a one-time Hungarian Jewish Nazi and not the first Nazi to have an interest in the Himalayan region where swastika religious symbol is ubiquitous.

The Trace Foundation is working with one of the Buddhist Tantric sects that has the aim of revealing the Kalachakra prophecy, which predicts a final global war between the forces of good versus a future Islamic Mahdi. A Buddha-type figure is foreseen as returning as a new Messiah. This construct is similar to the neocon “Clash of Civilizations” that sees a final showdown between the West and Islam. The Trace Foundation is trying to co-opt the old messianic Buddhist tradition to unify major world religions to install a global government, according to a specialist who has followed Soros’ activities in Tibet and Nepal.
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I have given up on talks with China: Dalai Lama

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/I_ha ... 641016.cms
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Dalai Lama says situation has worsened in Tibet

The Associated Press - 6 hours ago
TOKYO (AP) — The Dalai Lama said Monday his efforts to secure Tibetan autonomy from China have failed to bring positive changes and he is unsure whether new ...

Dalai Lama admits Tibet autonomy drive has failed

AFP - 6 hours ago
TOKYO (AFP) — The Dalai Lama said Monday that the drive for greater autonomy for Tibet has ended in failure, urging Tibetans to be open to all options in ...

Dalai Lama vows silence ahead of exile meeting

Reuters UK, UK - 5 hours ago
TOKYO (Reuters) - The Dalai Lama said on Monday talks with China about autonomy for Tibet had so far been a "failure" and he plans to remain silent ahead of ...

Dalai Lama accepts 'failure' over Tibet talks with China

Telegraph.co.uk, United Kingdom - 6 hours ago
The Dalai Lama has described as a "failure" efforts to hold progressive talks with China over the drive for greater automony for Tibet. ...

China plans ethnic tour for Dalai Lama envoys

Reuters - Oct 30, 2008
By Emma Graham-Harrison BEIJING (Reuters) - China plans to take the Dalai Lama's envoys to visit a non-Tibetan minority, a source said on Friday, ...

Beijing Plans More Talks With the Dalai Lama

Wall Street Journal - Oct 29, 2008
By LORETTA CHAO BEIJING -- China's central government will arrange a third round of talks with representatives of the Dalai Lama, Chinese officials said, ...

China Plans Talks With Dalai Lama Envoys

Voice of America - Oct 29, 2008
By Daniel Schearf China says it will soon hold another round of talks with envoys of the exiled Tibetan spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama. ...

India considers army tunnel network for Kashmir border

Reuters India, India - 2 hours ago
By Ashok Pahalwan JAMMU (Reuters) - India is considering building deep tunnels along its borders with China and Pakistan in Indian Kashmir to protect its ...
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Dalai Lama Says Situation Has Worsened in Tibet
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: November 3, 2008

Filed at 2:25 a.m. ET

TOKYO (AP) -- The Dalai Lama said Monday his efforts to secure Tibetan autonomy from China have failed to bring positive changes and he is unsure whether new talks between his envoys and Beijing over the fate of the Himalayan region will produce any breakthroughs.

The exiled Tibetan spiritual leader has spoken in unusually blunt and pessimistic terms recently about prospects for his homeland. The 73-year-old Nobel Peace Prize laureate said Monday that the situation in Tibet was worsening and that criticism among Tibetans of his negotiating approach toward China was growing.

The Dalai Lama has followed a ''middle way'' which rejects calls for outright independence but seeks greater autonomy to preserve Tibet's unique Buddhist culture.

China, which has governed Tibet since Communist troops occupied it in the 1950s, has repeatedly accused the Dalai Lama of leading a campaign to split the Himalayan region from the rest of the country.

The Dalai Lama, who fled to India amid a failed uprising against Chinese rule in 1959, has denied the allegations.

''The whole world knows the Dalai Lama is not seeking separation, except the Chinese government,'' he told a news conference in Tokyo on Monday, urging China's leaders to have a ''more spiritual mind'' in dealing with Tibetan issues.

''Things are not improving inside Tibet,'' he said. ''Our approach failed to bring some positive changes inside Tibet. So criticism is also increasing.''

On Sunday, the Dalai Lama told reporters in Tokyo that his faith in the Chinese government was ''becoming thinner, thinner, thinner.''

Last month, he said he had ''given up'' because there had been no positive response in negotiations with Beijing. He called a special meeting of Tibetan exile communities and political organizations later this month to discuss the future of their struggle.

Despite the Dalai Lama's recent comments, a new round of talks is due to be held between his envoys and the Chinese government, the first since Beijing hosted the Olympics in August.

Envoys of the spiritual leader arrived in Beijing last Thursday, but the Dalai Lama did not say when the talks would begin and declined to elaborate on them.

''At this moment, I remain silent. Furthermore, I don't know what will happen. I don't know,'' he said.

The last formal talks between the Dalai Lama's envoys and Chinese officials, the seventh since 2002, ended in an impasse in July, with China demanding that he prove that he did not support Tibetan independence or the disruption of the Beijing Olympics.

Relations have been particularly tense this year. In March, peaceful demonstrations against Chinese rule in Lhasa, Tibet's capital, exploded into violence. Beijing says 22 people were killed in the riots, in which hundreds of shops were torched and Chinese civilians attacked.

China then launched a massive crackdown in Tibet and a broad swath of Tibetan areas in the country's western regions. Tibetan exile groups said at least 140 people died. More than 1,000 people were detained, although human rights groups say the number could be higher.
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Dalai Lama not to attend session of exiles
http://in.news.yahoo.com/43/20081106/81 ... on-of.html

Dharamsala, Nov 6 (IANS) Tibetan spiritual leader the Dalai Lama is not attending a six-day special session of exiles at McLeodganj near here from Nov 17 to discuss the future of the Tibetan movement, an aide said Thursday.

The session was called by the government-in-exile that is based in northern India at the behest of the spiritual guru.

'He (the Dalai Lama) does not want to influence his opinion (on the Tibet movement) by participating or addressing the meeting,' Thubten Samphel, a spokesperson for the government-in-exile told IANS.

'The aim of the session is to hear views of all the invitees and not to influence our (the parliament-in-exile) viewpoint,' he said.

The session would be attended by more than 500 Tibetan leaders, intellectuals, ethnic groups and others from across the globe.

The 73-year-old Buddhist leader said this week in Japan that 'talks with the Chinese leadership over allowing more autonomy for the Buddhist region in Tibet has so far failed. I have to accept failure'.

Since his fleeing from Tibet in 1959, the Dalai Lama has believed in a 'middle-way' approach that advocates 'meaningful autonomy' for Tibet as a part of China.

'The watershed session would be an occasion to know the feelings and thinking of the exiles,' Samphel said.

Some analysts here believed that the decision of the Nobel Peace Prize laureate not to participate in the special session is to understand the tone and tenor of exiles, particularly of a newer generation.

Many radicals, particularly the youth, believe that Tibet was an independent nation before communist troops invaded in 1950 and demand full independence from China.

The analysts said 'on the one hand the Dalai Lama is trying to convey to Chinese through this session that if they don't want to give relaxations to Tibetans, more radicals will raise their head, on the other he is trying to mollify exiles by giving then an opportunity to air their grievances.'

The Dalai Lama along with many of his supporters fled Tibet and took refuge in India when Chinese troops moved in and took control of Lhasa in 1959.

The Dalai Lama has ever since been heading the government-in-exile, which is not recognised by any country in the world.



Tibetan exiles in Dharamsala pin their 'freedom hopes' on Obama
http://in.news.yahoo.com/139/20081106/8 ... n-the.html

Dharamshala, Nov 6 (ANI): The Tibetan exiles in Dharamsala, the seat of the Tibetan government-in-exile, are hoping that Barack Obama the US President-elect would help them restore human rights in Tibet.

The exiles hope that Obama will extend full support to the people of Tibet in their fight for freedom from the alleged Chinese suppression.

Frustrated with the lack of progress with China despite rounds of talks and the March crackdown on riots against Chinese rule in Tibet, many exiles wish that Obama would make the much-needed difference.

"In his speech he has continuously mentioned about peace and freedom which he believes are the values of the Americans. The situation inside Tibet is grave and I am hopeful and optimistic," said Tenzin Tcheoying, president of Students For Free Tibet.

Tenzin said that Obama stands for the spirit of America and that he was impressed with his speech.

Tibetans also believe that the foreign policy of America with respect to Tibet would prove to be fruitful for them in achieving autonomy.

According to news reports, Obama had expressed his support for Tibet to the Tibetan spiritual leader, Dalai Lama in July this year. Recalling those reports, Tibetans feel that Obama would stand by them.

"We are happy and hope that he will do positive things, not only for his country but also for world peace and harmony and specially for the Tibetan cause," said Neema, a Tibetan exile.

Obama will be sworn in as the 44th US President on January 20, 2009 and face a number of immediate challenges, from tackling an economic crisis, ending the war in Iraq to overhauling the U.S. health care system.

A first-term Illinois senator, Obama led sweeping Democratic victories expanding the majorities in both chambers of Congress and marked an emphatic rejection of President George W Bush's eight years of leadership.
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Chinese troop numbers increase in Lhasa
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/ ... 63,00.html

By Steve Lewis in Lhasa, Tibet

November 08, 2008 03:44am

CHINA has intensified its military presence in the Tibetan capital of Lhasa.

The move comes amid fears that "separatist" supporters of the Dalai Lama plan a repeat of the bloody March riots.


Increased numbers of soldiers and police are patrolling the streets of Lhasa.

Military personnel with machineguns are conducting routine patrols around Lhasa's historic Barkhor district.

Snipers are also positioned on rooftops and stairwells.

During a four-day visit to the Buddhist kingdom, The Courier-Mail also witnessed monks being bundled into a police van close to Lhasa's historic Jokhang temple.

Pro-Tibet organisations say authorities are routinely jailing monks and nuns.

Bai Ma Cai Wang, Vice-Governor of the Tibet Autonomous Region Government, also confirmed that 55 Tibetans had been sentenced to jail terms ranging from three years to life after the March riots.

The riots flared after monks staged peaceful protests. Up to 200 were killed and more than 1300 Tibetans were arrested during the unrest, which was beamed around the world.

Mr Bai Ma said the Beijing-backed Tibetan Government had "moderately adjusted" the military and police presence in recent days because of "separatist activities".

The revelations come just days after an eighth round of talks between the Dalai Lama's envoy and Beijing ended without progress.

The Chinese authorities fear a militant uprising by Tibetan youth, who they say are seeking independence for their country.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd is among a host of world leaders who have criticised China's human rights record in Tibet. But Mr Bai Ma said: "The Tibetan people enjoy full rights in terms of management of their own affairs."

The senior government figure was speaking on Tuesday during a one-hour meeting with an Australian delegation led by Queensland Liberal backbencher Michael Johnson and including two journalists.

Mr Bai Ma also confirmed Tibet's economy had been seriously damaged by the March uprising. Tourism has been severely cut back, from about 4.5 million visitors in 2007 to just 400,000 this year.

Mr Johnson - who is accused by Labor and Greens MPs of being a pro-Beijing sympathiser - said China should consider allowing the Dalai Lama to visit his homeland, which he fled in 1959.

"As a friend of China, I would say that some kind of reconciliation must take place between Beijing and the Dalai Lama," Mr Johnson said.

Lhasa was a place of beauty this week as a snow storm layered the mountains framing the spiritual hub with a thick coat of white powder.
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China's iron fist cracks down to subdue Tibetan rebels
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/st ... 37,00.html

Cameron Stewart, Associate editor | November 08, 2008

IN the ancient back alleys of Tibet's capital, Lhasa, a grim military operation has played out this week, hidden from the eyes of the world. As night falls, hundreds of Chinese troops fan out across this rebellious city, armed with riot shields and assault rifles.

China uses iron fist to subdue Tibetans

They set up sentry posts on street corners and dispatch patrols in groups of six soldiers, three with shields and three with guns.

These patrols spend the night walking down the lanes of Lhasa's Tibetan quarter, looking for any sign of dissent. They glare at me ast hey pass, angry at the presence of a foreigner.

When the sun rises, the soldiers do not melt away, but are replaced by a new rotation of troops. The military stranglehold on Lhasa by day is maintained with one chilling addition -- snipers are installed on rooftops around the city's most holy site, the Jokhang Temple, ready to train their guns on the hundreds of Tibetan pilgrims praying in Barkhor Square below.

Only months after the Beijing Olympics, there is no post-Games euphoria in Tibet.

Hopes of greater autonomy and freedom have been stifled by Beijing, which -- stung by bloody anti-Chinese riots in March and by the indignity of the subsequent Olympic torch relay protests -- has come down on Tibetans with an iron fist.

During four days in Lhasa this week -- the first visit to Tibet by an Australian journalist since the March riots that left up to 200 people dead -- I witnessed a city creaking under the weight of the Chinese military.

In meeting local Chinese government officials, it was apparent that Beijing has lost patience with those Tibetans who oppose its rule and has chosen the path of zero tolerance.

The heavy military presence betrays China's unspoken fear that it is losing, rather than winning, the hearts and minds of local Tibetans, who accuse Beijing of subjugating their culture and religion to preserve national unity.

In an interview with The Weekend Australian, the vice-governor of the Tibet Autonomous Region, Bai Ma Cai Wang, reveals that China has recently boosted its security presence in Lhasa above and beyond the crackdown that followed the March riots. This is China's first public acknowledgment that it has beefed up its security forces in Tibet.

"In order for Tibet's stability and for people's safety and for people's desire for security and order, the Government has moderately adjusted the presence of the police force on the street," he says.

Bai Ma says the Government fears a repeat of the March riots, which he says were the work of the exiled Dalai Lama and his supporters. "After the March 14 riots, the Dalai Lama and his followers have speeded up their separatist activities."

Despite being the spiritual leader of the Tibetan Buddhist population, the Dalai Lama has been airbrushed from view in Lhasa by the Chinese, who accuse him of being a political activist for an independent Tibet. There are no pictures or portraits of him in public areas, and Tibetans are reluctant to praise him in public, fearing retribution.

"The image of the Dalai Lama in Tibetan people's minds has already gone away," says Bai Ma. But the long lines of Tibetans waiting to pay homage to the tombs of former Dalai Lamas in Lhasa's imposing Potala Palace, and the thousands of passionate Buddhist pilgrims who prostrate themselves each day outside the Jokhang Temple suggest otherwise.

I visited Tibet with News Limited journalist Steve Lewis and federal Liberal MP Michael Johnson, vice-chairman of the Australia-China Parliamentary Friendship group, at the invitation of the Chinese Government, which urged us: "Tell Australians what you have heard and seen about the truth in Tibet."

This gave us access to high-level Communist Party officials, parliamentarians and local governors in Lhasa, but the official program included no meetings with senior Buddhists and no one whose views strayed from the official line.

When I asked for permission to visit Drapchi prison, where at least 202 people involved in the March riots remain incarcerated, I was refused.

It was only when we slipped away from our hotel at night and found some of the few Tibetans who spoke English that we heard alternative views. Even then they were reluctant to talk, fearing they might be seen or overheard by the authorities. One monk told us there were "more and more Chinese, more and more soldiers" in Lhasa in recent weeks.

But no one will speak out, he says, because of fears they will be reported to the police. "Detectives, they listen to what you say ... sometimes (Barkhor) square is full of detectives listening in."

He says Tibetans "feel very bad" about the situation but are powerless to stop it. Another monk claimed that the Chinese had installed listening devices in the main tourist sites where Westerners might interact with Tibetans, and said no one felt safe talking to foreigners about the political situation in Tibet.

On Monday, we witnessed a group of monks being placed in a police van and taken away but attempts to get an explanation were unsuccessful.

The Chinese authorities have gone to extraordinary lengths to monitor local Tibetans, installing CCTV cameras on buildings and deploying plainclothes police as well as the more overt scrutiny of the large numbers of uniformed police and soldiers.

In interviews with local Chinese officials, their frustration with the situation was palpable. They cannot understand why years of economic growth in Tibet have failed to quell Tibetan demands for greater autonomy or independence from China. There is little understanding or acceptance that Tibetans may have different priorities.

In meetings this week, Chinese officials quoted statistics showing vast improvements in the health, housing, wellbeing and life expectancy of the Tibetans. The Chinese Government has poured billions of dollars into Tibet's economy, with state subsidies accounting for 75 per cent of the gross domestic product.

The results can be seen in and around Lhasa, with wide new roads, upmarket fashion stores and whitegoods stores boasting widescreen televisions. There is a thriving middle class of fashionably dressed locals with mobile phones glued to their ears and driving the latest cars.

The problem is that almost all of this middle class in Lhasa are Han Chinese immigrants, rather than local Tibetans who are primarily herdsmen and farmers and lack the literacy skills and education to seize the opportunities created by the Chinese investment. "While a minority of Tibetans have been rewarded with state jobs, the majority of Tibetans, who are poorly equipped to access new economic opportunities, have been marginalised," says Ben Hillman, a Tibet expert from the Australian National University's China Institute.

So the frustration of local Tibetans goes beyond the eroding of their culture and traditions under Chinese rule -- it is also an economic development issue similar to many around the world where an indigenous people are marginalised by more commercially successful immigrants.

There are signs Chinese officials realise their mistake in focusing too heavily on infrastructure rather than on the Tibetans themselves.

"The education program in Tibet is still not satisfactory," says Wang Jinjun, vice-director-general of the State Council Information Office. "The policy now is to better tackle the issue of herdsmen and farmers."

The economic plight of Tibetans has not been helped by the March riots, which all but killed tourism. Shops and cafes are empty and there is barely a foreign tourist to be seen.

Tibetans have only themselves to blame for this, because so many of them supported the riots, in which 1317 people were arrested, says Wang De Wen, of the Tibet People's Congress.

The riots "were organised by Tibet separatists headed by the Dalai Lama and his followers, who are not willing to see the great leap forward in the development of Tibet, so they instigated violent incidents which involved the smashing, the grabbing, the looting and the setting fire to shops," says Wang. "This violent incident has wreaked havoc on the economic situation and the life of the Tibet people and has cost 320 million yuan ($70 million) since March."

The deputy secretary-general of the Tibet People's Congress, Tonga, was reluctant to talk about those who were detained after the riots, but claimed the majority of Tibetans involved now regretted their actions.

"After our re-education program most of them will regret what they have done," Tonga says. When pressed further on what this means he adds: "A relevant government official briefed them on what was right and what was wrong."

Tibetan officials we spoke to denied all claims that the religious freedom of Tibetans was being curtailed. The head of religious affairs of the Tibet Autonomous Region, Kalsang, denied widely reported views in the West that monks were required to denounce the Dalai Lama as part of "patriotic education" programs in monasteries.

He was partly contradicted several days later by Wang Jinjun who conceded that monks in Tibet were being given "legal information programs" in which they were told not to mix religion with politics.

The most striking aspect of the meetings with Chinese officials was the extent of their hostility towards the Dalai Lama who, along with the the self-styled Tibetan government in exile in India, is blamed for fomenting the uprising and for turning the Tibet issue into a cause celebre in the West.

The Chinese dismiss the Dalai Lama's repeated assertion that he seeks only greater autonomy for Tibet, rather than independence.

When I ask whether China's problems in Tibet might be eased by granting greater autonomy while still retaining national control of the region, Wang Jinjun is dismissive, saying it would return Tibet to its feudal origins. "Tibet will not be reduced to a backwater society which features theocratic rule," he says.

The human dimension of this intractable problem can best be seen by taking a walk through Lhasa, where on my last day I saw a group of Tibetan women, with their babies strapped to their backs, talking and laughing under the watchful eye of a rooftop sniper.
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Avinash R wrote:China's iron fist cracks down to subdue Tibetan rebels
All while "sin-hua" reports distress unfolding in southern Tibet (adjacent to Indian border). Hats off to SunTzu's progeny:

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008- ... 288054.htm
Snow-plagued S Tibet in dire need of fuel, fodders


http://www.chinaview.cn 2008-10-31 19:42:15 Print


LHASA, Oct.31 (Xinhua) -- China's Tibet Autonomous Region will offer subsidies to herders who have to slaughter livestock as a result of a record-breaking snowstorm.

Gong Puguang, vice chairman of Tibet Autonomous Regional Government, said the measure was introduced to reduce losses to herders this month.

"Each household that has sold or slaughtered more than 17 percent of their herd will be given 100 yuan (about 14.3 U.S. dollars) for slaughtering an extra large livestock such as cattle or yak, or 20 yuan for a small one such as a sheep," said Gong, who is now in Lhunze, a county hard hit by the worst snowstorm on record in Tibet, to give guidance in relief efforts.

Gaisang Yangzom, chief of Maru village affairs committee in Lhunze, on Thursday led nine villagers to look for lost cattle andsheep.


"It was the heaviest snow I've ever seen and the snowstorm was totally unexpected," said the Tibetan woman."Luckily, we just found our yak herd, but they didn't feed on anything for three days."

Fodder supplies now available in the village will only last fora dozen days. Villagers worry their livestock might lose weight oreven die because of a lack of fodder, according to Gaisang Yangzom.

Hua Xuejian, Communist Party committee chief of Lhunze, said his county would need 2.55 million kg of fodders and 325,000 kg of fuel for keeping warmth in winter.

It started to snow heavily on Sunday in many parts of Tibet and last into Monday afternoon, with Shannan Prefecture being the worst hit.

Gong added the government would fully finance treatment of those injured in the snowstorm. Families whose home were toppled in the bleak weather will get 30,000 yuan each in aid for reconstruction.

Family members of those killed in the snowstorm will also get a compensation fee of 5,000 yuan.

The snowstorm left seven people dead, one more missing, alongside the death of 144,400 head of livestock as of Thursday. Most of the human casualties were in Lhunze, Shannan. It also knocked out telecommunications and traffic, and cause power cuts in parts of the plateau region.

Also, 1,700 other people who had been stranded were moved to safety, while another 1,300 remain stranded by damaged buildings or blocked roads in Lhunze, Cona and Comai counties, all in Shannan, by Thursday.

The snow on the ground in some places of Lhunze was two to three meters thick. Weather experts predict it will take 10 to 15 days to melt.


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http://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyl ... PP20081020
World's second highest airport to open this month
Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:57am EDT

BEIJING (Reuters) - The world's second highest airport, in an ethnically Tibetan part of China's southwestern province of Sichuan, will open this month, a Chinese newspaper said on Monday.

The airport, in the mainly Tibetan area of Kangding, is 4,280 meters (14,040 ft) above sea level, second only to Qamdo airport in Tibet at 4,334 meters.

The Chengdu Daily said China Eastern Airlines would start regular flights to Kangding before the end of October, flying from Yunnan's provincial capital Kunming to Kangding via Sichuan's capital, Chengdu.

The airport had originally been scheduled to open in May. The newspaper did not explain the delay, but Tibet and other Tibetan parts of China experienced violent unrest this spring.

The 960 million yuan ($140.6 million) airport is in a poor area near the scenic Gongga Mountains.

It is in an area so remote that Tang Dynasty poet Li Bai, writing more than 1,000 years ago, said it was easier to get to heaven.

The government hopes the airport will bring in much needed tourist dollars and investment.

The airport is designed to handle 330,000 passengers a year and can accommodate 120-seat Boeing 737s and Airbus A319s.

China has embarked upon a multi-billion-dollar program in recent years to revamp old airports and build new ones, especially in the country's remote west, as a way of boosting the economy.

In 2006, China opened Tibet's third airport, in Nyingchi, which is nearly 3,000 meters above sea level.

($1=6.828 Yuan)

(Reporting by Ben Blanchard; Editing by Nick Macfie)
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The posts above show how human rights and the Tibetan cause are being betrayed by the very same western democracies who preach the virutes of democracy and human rights,but practice cold bloodedness.The lie about the nepalese royal family massacre is spot on.I was told by a realtive of the royal family soon after the massacre,that the official version was a fable.Whether RAW was involved is open to question,I strongly doubt it. It has brought into power the Maoists whose ideology only encourages the Naxalite movement in India.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/no ... t-miliband

China stamps on Dalai Lama's call for Tibetan autonomy
• Spiritual leader accused of seeking ethnic cleansing
• UK blamed for hard line in Beijing's talks with exiles
Tania Branigan in Beijing

The Guardian, Tuesday November 11 2008

The Chinese government will never accept the Dalai Lama's calls for "high-level autonomy", an official leading talks between the two parties said at a briefing yesterday. Tibetan support groups expressed alarm at the harshness of the remarks, which also included an accusation that the exiled spiritual leader was seeking "ethnic cleansing" across the region.

A leading expert on Tibet warned that it was "almost a point of no return" in the dialogue, and blamed the British government's recent decision to explicitly recognise Tibet as a part of China for emboldening Beijing.

The press conference followed discussions in Beijing last week and precedes an agenda-setting meeting in Dharamsala, India, next week between Tibetan exiles about the future of their cause.

Zhu Weiqun, a vice-minister of the Chinese Communist party's United Front Work Department, added: "If one day, [the Dalai Lama] really seizes power, he will without any compunction or sympathy carry out ethnic discrimination, apartheid and ethnic cleansing."

Zhu said there had been no progress in last week's talks, blaming the Tibetan side. He described the current system as "perfect" and in need of no revision, adding: "There is no other way."

The government-in-exile is not commenting on its discussions with Beijing before the Dharamsala meeting. The Dalai Lama has sounded increasingly pessimistic about the prospects of a deal, and younger Tibetans have grown impatient with his "middle path" of peacefully pursuing autonomy for Tibet within China.

Professor Robert Barnett, an expert on Tibet at Columbia University, New York, described yesterday's meeting as "almost a point of no return", which "closes off all possible routes" to the exiles. He added: "This is a detailed statement by the actual dialogue team, broadcast live on state television ... [with] among the most aggressive depictions of the Tibetan position."

He added: "I think this is deeply embarrassing for the British government ... One has to ask how they ever thought withdrawing the historical basis for talks would make it more likely China would continue them. It places a major question mark over Britain's ability to read these kinds of situations."

In a parliamentary statement last week, the foreign secretary, David Miliband, recognised China's sovereignty over Tibet.

The government-in-exile argues that the region enjoyed a high degree of autonomy for many years, deriving its claim in part on treaties signed by Britain, which set the boundaries between Tibet and British-ruled India. Those recognised China's effective rule, or "suzerainty", but only on the basis of the region's political autonomy. But Miliband argued that the position was "anachronistic". Most countries recognise China's direct rule.

The Foreign Office pointed out that Tibetan support groups had welcomed the statement's stronger focus on human rights.

A spokeswoman for the International Campaign for Tibet suggested that matters had reached a turning point, given the security crackdown in Tibetan areas and hostility towards the Dalai Lama. She described Zhu's language as "owing much more to the paranoia and political extremism of the Mao era than ... someone representing a would-be superpower".

Last week's meeting was the first round of talks since the Olympics and the third since the violence and unrest in Tibetan areas in March, which ratcheted up tensions over Tibet's status.
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The flashpoint for the forthcoming standoff between India and China will not be Tibet, Ladakh or AP.....It is most likely to be Nepal.
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Paul wrote:The flashpoint for the forthcoming standoff between India and China will not be Tibet, Ladakh or AP.....It is most likely to be Nepal.
They want to use Nepal as a proxy for their larger game when pakistan has failed.
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Just as the US and USSR backed off from direct confrontation after Cuba crisis and used take on each other through their proxies, the same will happen in Nepal. It will be proxy vs. procy for some time.

PRC did the same with Pakistan as Acharya described....

Prachanda is their proxy, question is who is on India's side.

India needs to work overtime on retooling the Nepal army, Nepali Kangress and the madhesis into a common front to outmaneuvre the Maoists. Madhesis is the most vocal group like their Bihari cousins and look ready to take on the Maoists blow for blow.

Nepali Kangress will sit on the sidelines and wait to feed off the spoils of war...this must not be allowed to happen. They should be made to justify their paycheck.

The royalists and the nepal army share common interests in taking on the maosists and must be persuaded to come join hands with the upstart madhesis as they share common interests
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Nepal will not be as difficult for India to manage as Pakistan as the project sponsors for Nepal is only one.

Pakistan was a creation of the western alliance + Sunni Islam. PRC was brought in later.

Also the disruptive "Islam" card is not a factor here.
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It feels a little funny reading that India should do this and India should do that when referring to actions outside the border when current GoI appears to be doing its best to hurt Indian interests inside its own borders.

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Meanwhile Claude Arpi Zindabad

The end of the Dalai Lama's Middle Way?
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with Admin's permission, I would like to post the entire article. This essay, in a way, is the essense of this thread...
For the first time since the Tibetans took refuge in India in 1959, the Dalai Lama has called a special meeting to decide the future course of action over the Tibetans' relation with China.

Considering the 'serious situation inside Tibet' , the Dalai Lama used article 59 of the Tibetan Charter that empowers him to call a 'Special Meeting.' Kalons (cabinet ministers), current and former members of the Tibetan Parliament in Exile, government officials, Tibetan NGOs, and intellectuals will participate in the meeting be held from November 17 to 22 in Dharamsala.

A few weeks earlier, addressing a large audience at the annual foundation day of the Tibetan Children's Village in Dharamsala, the Dalai Lama surprised many when he declared that he had 'given up' on China.
'It's difficult to talk to those who don't believe in truth [the Chinese]. I have clearly mentioned that I still have faith in the Chinese people, but my faith in the Chinese government is thinning.'

He added that despite sincerely pursuing the mutually beneficial Middle Way policy in dealing with China, there was no positive response from Beijing .

A few days later, four of his representatives visited China for the eighth round of talks since 2002. On their return, the envoys were mum, citing the general meeting to be held.

But the Chinese spoke.

Zhu Weiqun, a vice minister of the United Front went public to declare that though the talks 'were frank and sincere, the two sides had great divergence over China's policy over Tibet.'

Lodi Gyari and his colleagues had also met Du Qinglin, vice chairman of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference who told Xinhua News Agency that no 'Tibet independence', 'half independence' or 'covert independence' would be tolerated.

Strangely, the same words were used by the Chinese when the Dalai Lama presented his Strasbourg Proposal in June 1988. To the consternation of many, he decided to surrender the independence of his country and resign himself to obtaining a genuine autonomy.

To understand the Dalai Lama's recent change of mind, one should go further back into history.

The Dalai Lama followed by 85,000 of his countrymen fled the Roof of the World in March 1959. He was immediately given asylum by the Nehru government with the condition that he would not indulge 'in politics' on Indian soil. His hands were tightly bound.

In 1973, in his annual March 10 statement, he outlined his prime aspiration, the happiness of six million Tibetans: 'If the Tibetans in Tibet are truly happy under Chinese rule then there is no reason for us here in exile to argue otherwise.'

Thirty-five years later, he reiterated in Dharamsala: 'The issue at hand is the welfare of the Tibetan people and is not about my personal status and affairs.' This has remained the Tibetan leader's main consideration and has constantly guided his Beijing policy.

His efforts to reach out to the Chinese leadership started in April 1973, when Kundeling, one of his ministers returning from Japan , met with one Chinese representative in Hong Kong.

George Patterson, a Scottish missionary who lived in Tibet before the invasion and was working in Hong Kong as a journalist, was instrumental in brokering a meeting with Chinese officials. Nothing came of the encounter.

A month later, Gyalo Thondup, one of the Dalai Lama's brothers, met a US embassy official in Delhi to discuss the possibility of approaching Beijing to start a dialogue. Patrick Moynihan, the US ambassador, reported the meeting to the US Secretary of State in Washington. Gyalo Thondup told the US official that the Tibetans 'might be flexible if talks with China got underway.'

The US ambassador informed his boss that 'the embassy officer gave Thondup no encouragement.' Nixon had visited Beijing a year earlier, but Tibet was then not on the US agenda.

The death of Mao Zedong in September 1976 heralded a new era for China and Tibet. The Dalai Lama saw a ray of hope for his countrymen. On March 10, 1978, he announced that he was keen that Tibetans living in exile should be allowed to visit Tibet and vice-versa.

This declaration, probably read by the Chinese leadership in Beijing, prompted a new opening.

At the end of 1978, Gyalo Thondup met Li Ju-sheng, designated as Xinhua Director No. 2, in Hong Kong. Both had several encounters which lasted five or six weeks. Li relayed his conversations to the leadership in Beijing and recommended to Deng Xiaoping to invite Thondup to discuss the situation in Tibet.

The meeting between the new Chinese leader maximo and the Dalai Lama's brother took place in Beijing in February 1979. Was it a coincidence that Atal Bihari Vajpayee, India's external affairs minister, visited China around that time?

Immediately, Deng told Thondup that he would like to invite the refugees in India and abroad to return to Tibet: 'It is better [for them] to see once than to hear a hundred times.'

During his encounter with Gyalo Thondup, Deng stated: 'The door is opened for negotiations as long as we don't speak about independence. Everything else is negotiable.'

Ten years later, this statement became the foundation of the Dalai Lama's 'Middle Way' approach. Soon after the Deng-Thondup meeting, three 'fact-finding' delegations were sent by the Dalai Lama to visit Tibet.

From Beijing's side, the leadership was under the impression that the 'backward Tibetans' had finally been 'liberated'. They had, however, completely misread the people's feelings. Wherever the Dalai Lama's envoys went, they were mobbed by crowds of Tibetans.

One delegate remembered: 'The Tibetans tried even to tear our chubas (Tibetan dress) to have them as relics.' The entire Lhasa population was in the streets; everybody wanting a darshan of the Dalai Lama's envoys.

Hu Yaobang, the party general secretary, decided to see for himself what was going on in Tibet. On reaching Lhasa, he was shocked to see the level of poverty in Tibet. During a meeting with the party cadres, he asked 'whether all the money Beijing had poured into Tibet over the previous years had been thrown into the Yarlung Tsangpo [Brahmaputra] river.'

In March 1981, the Dalai Lama wrote to Deng Xiaoping: 'With truth and equality as our foundations, we must try to develop friendship between Tibetans and Chinese through better understanding in the future. The time has come to apply, with a sense of urgency, our common wisdom in a spirit of tolerance and broad mindedness in order to achieve genuine happiness for the Tibetans.'

The answer of the Chinese government came indirectly in July 1981 through their embassy in Delhi. Unfortunately, it only mentioned the status of the Dalai Lama and his future role, in case he came back to the 'motherland': 'The Dalai Lama could enjoy the same political status and living conditions as he had before 1959.'

This was not acceptable to the Dalai Lama and his exiled countrymen. The Tibetan leader wanted to 'negotiate' the happiness and fate of his six million countrymen, not his own future.

In contradiction to Deng's statement, the Chinese leadership has, till today, kept this approach: talks are about the Dalai Lama's status and role, not about Tibet's status, which according to them had been fixed in 1951, when Tibet was 'liberated.' This has always been objected to by the Dalai Lama, for whom the happiness of his people is the main issue to be settled.

In April 1982, a delegation left for Beijing for preliminary talks with the Chinese authorities. The Chinese stuck to their guns. Nothing came out of the talks.

In October 1984, the same Tibetan delegation returned to Beijing. In the meantime the Dalai Lama had expressed his wish to visit Tibet in 1985.
Though the 1984 talks were the follow-up of the 1982 visit, the main subject of the discussions was the proposed visit of the Dalai Lama to his native land. Here again the Chinese used delaying tactics: they were 'busy' with developmental works in Tibet (sic); they could not receive him.

At the end of the 1980s, the Dalai Lama decided to change his policy and internationalise the Tibet issue. What triggered this change was what he himself called the 'vast seas' of Chinese migrants who 'threaten the very existence of the Tibetans as a distinct people.'

On June 18, 1988, he crossed the Rubicon. While addressing the members of the European Parliament in Strasbourg, he explained: 'I thought a long time on how to achieve a realistic solution to my nation's plight.' He elucidated: 'The whole of Tibet should become a self-governing democratic political entity founded on law by agreement of the people for common good and the protection of themselves and their environment, in association with the People's Republic of China.'

When he officially renounced 'independence', a dream cherished by millions, his countrymen, especially the younger generation, reacted strongly. Torn apart between their aspiration for freedom and their love for their leader, they however followed for a time their leader.

Why was the Dalai Lama forced to cross the Rubicon in 1988?

The main urgency was the colonisation of Tibet by Chinese settlers, putting in peril Tibet as a nation. The same threat still looms large today. Many other factors were involved: the lukewarmness of the Government of India to support any initiative; the failure of the 1982 and 1984 'talks'; and the purge of some of the most progressive Chinese leaders at the end of the '80s.

An alarming situation inside Tibet and the pressure from some of the Western nations to give up 'independence' made him choose the 'Middle Way' policy. He also probably believed in the genuine sincerity of some of the Chinese leaders! But had he any other choice?

For the Tibetan leader, perhaps even harder than the lack of understanding from his people, was the fact that Beijing immediately rejected his historic compromise. On June 23, 1988, a communiqu� of the foreign ministry in Beijing stated that there was no question for the People's Republic to accept 'independence, semi-independence or independence in disguise.'

Retrospectively, little was achieved during the past 30 years. No solution was in sight and the future seemed rather bleak for the Tibetans. After their 'successful' Olympics , it was doubtful if Beijing would suddenly become more flexible. All this probably has weighed in the Dalai Lama's mind before he decided to announce that he had 'given up on the Chinese' and that he would request his people to take their own destiny in their hands.

But it does not mean that the Dalai Lama has dropped his dream to see one day the Tibetan people happy in the Land of Tibet. It may only take more time and other paths.
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Tibetans feel "middle way" has failed
http://in.news.yahoo.com/139/20081118/8 ... ailed.html

Dharamsala, Nov 18 (ANI): Tibetan exiles on the second day of their six-day meeting in Dharamsala said that it is a good platform for them to raise their voice.

Hundreds of Tibetans exiles from across the globe are attending the meeting here, in what could result in a change to their spiritual leader's stance of pushing for autonomy rather than independence for Tibet.

Around a thousand people gathered at a school in Dharamsala on Monday for the inaugural ceremony of the meeting, carrying a portrait of the Dalai Lama.

The 73-year-old Nobel Peace laureate, who called for the meeting in September but will not personally attend, recently hinted his "middle way" for Tibet had failed, and speculation has grown that, he wants to step back from day-to-day political leadership.

Acharya Yeshi Phungchok, member of Tibetan parliament-in-exile said that matters related to Tibetan parliament were discussed on the first day of the meeting.

"They also gave their message regarding the standing of the government-in-exile. It is important, because until and unless the government in-exile... the power or energy is not sustained then the movement will not be able to reach a logical conclusion," he added.

He said that the Tibetans were hoping for some positive outcome from the ongoing meeting.

However, many of the exiles played down speculation of a challenge to the Dalai Lama's "middle way approach" to China, at the start of a meeting to discuss their policy of pushing for autonomy in the region.

Anger has been heightened by the crackdown on riots against Chinese rule in Tibet in March this year.

Chinese officials last week said while the door to Tibetan independence or semi-independence would never open, the door to talks was always open.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 22791.html
Will Tibet abandon the 'Middle Way'?

By Clifford Coonan in Beijing
Monday, 17 November 2008

MANPREET ROMANA/AFP/Getty Images

The speaker of Tibetan parliament in exile, Karma Choephel, addresses the media during the conference called to discuss the Tibet issue in Dharamshala

Tibetans fed up with Beijing's intransigence gathered today for a summit that could see them abandon the Dalai Lama's moderate "Middle Way" to push for full independence from China.

"Everybody is in the mood that the dialogue has come to a standstill, there is no headway and people are rethinking their policies," said Tseten Norbu, an MP in the Tibetan government-in-exile at Dharamsala, a hill station in northern India. "We've been talking for 30 years and there has been no result at all. This is the big question mark. Now we have to think and strategise."

The Dalai Lama's envoys have met Chinese representatives for eight rounds of talks since 2002 on the Tibet issue without any progress. At the most recent talks, this month, Beijing again rejected out of hand the Tibetan movement's long-standing demand for autonomy, and the Dalai Lama, in a stark acknowledgment of his frustrations, admitted that his efforts had failed. "As far as I'm concerned, I have given up," he said. The 73-year-old Nobel Peace Laureate, who had a gallstone removed last month, is not attending the Dharamsala meeting, prompting speculation that he wants to step back from the day-to-day political leadership and is paving the way for a possible successor.

Beijing blames the Dalai Lama for inciting anti-Chinese riots in the region in March, when protests in the capital, Lhasa, erupted into violence against Han Chinese settlers and spread to other areas of western China with Tibetan populations. Tibet's government-in-exile said more than 200 Tibetans were killed in a subsequent Chinese crackdown.

"The majority want a peaceful way but as we saw in March, some people are demonstrating," said Tsering Lama, from the Jawalakhel refugee camp for Tibetan exiles in Nepal.

For the Chinese, Tibet is, was and always will be China, and Beijing says it is freeing the people of Tibet from the yoke of a malevolent theocracy that enslaved the people in the territory for hundreds of years. It also says that it is helping the territory by investing billions of yuan in the local economy, though Tibetans say that the Chinese are sending ethnic Han Chinese to the region to exploit its resources.

The debate in Dharamsala – where the Dalai Lama and his supporters set up their government-in-exile in 1959 after a failed uprising against Chinese rule – will focus mainly on whether to continue with the compromise strategy of autonomy or whether to risk China's wrath by striving for independence. But factions within those camps have an array of ways to achieve their aims, from more and angrier protests to upping the pressure on the West to intervene, with some even touting sabotage of Chinese infrastructure in the disputed region.

The speaker of the Tibetan government-in-exile said the cabinet had consulted some 17,000 Tibetans inside Tibet. Almost half said they would follow any decision by the Dalai Lama, more than 5,000 said they wanted Tibetan independence and 2,000 preferred the "Middle Way" approach.

Karma Pangring, the leader of Tibet's exiles in Switzerland, said: "The older generation is loyal to the Middle Way and wants to strengthen it, but the younger groups want a different way and their voices are getting louder. But what can we do? What form will that take? This meeting won't decide that question."

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China did not rule Tibet for 1000 years as Han Chinese claim. Tibet was never a part of China, until the Mongol conquests of both countries. China too, like most countries ages ago, was divided into little kingdoms. In the case of China, it was a non-Chinese, a Mongol, by the name of Kublai Khan, who defeated and brought the southern Han kingdom under his domain, uniting the whole of China for the first time in Chinese history; his Grandfather, Genghis Khan, and his father, Obadai having defeated the western and eastern kingdoms of China. Mongol rule in China was the Yuan dynasty . This dynasty came to an end when the native Chinese Ming dynasty took over, amicably it must be said! Manchuria in the north, was still ruled by the Manchurians. It is now a part of China by courtesy of the Manchu Emperors who ruled China, Qu'in dynasty, after defeating the native Chinese Ming dynasty until the Nationalist took over followed by the present Communist regime.
Research subject please.

PS:The Chinese intransigence will surely result in young Tibetans calling for full independence.In this they will find ready western nations willing to fund a revolt.The current Indian govt. and the Left parties will try and gag the Tibetans out of fear and sympathy for the authoritarian Chicoms.One can see how the ""Chindu" and other Chinese apologists will try and condemn any Tibetan call for full freedom.However,unless the Tibetans cry "freedom",they will get no response from the Chicom leardership,who fondly think that all they have to do is wait for the Dalai Lama to die and that the Tibetan leadership will be leaderless and rudderless.The Dalai Lama mindful of this is wisely passing on the mantle of political leadership to the Tibetan diaspora,in order to safeguard the future of the Tibetan people,its religion and culture from the Chicom savages who are destroying the heritage of one of the world's most ancient and wonderful peoples.

India in its decades long dispute with China must wake up and realise the insidious creeping Chciom masterplan to subdue India and make it submit to Chicom ambitions of becoming the "Overlord of Asia".Assimilating Tibet into China is the first step,with Nepal already falling into indigenous Maoist hands,another domino to fall later.India has two aces in its hand,Tibet and Taiwan,but so far the GOI has shown little skill in using these two deadly aces which can destroy the Godless Chicom masterplan.Should the Chicom govt. try and medddle further on the border and submit the Tibetans to further genocide and human rights abuses,then we must recognise Taiwan and Tibet as independent countries and warn the Chicoms that if they try and armtwist us over the border issue and meddle with terrorism,this will inevitably happen.There are many countries who will follow India's leadership against China in Asia and beyond.For us however to be able to do so,timing is most important and the further acceleration of the modernisation and expansion of the Indian armed forces,the border infrastructure in the N-East and deployment of missiles and air assets to counter another '62.
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From Asian Age, posting in full as site doesn't achieve.
Crunch time for Tibetans
Brahma Chellaney


With the Tibetan movement at the crossroads as China tightens its vise on Tibet, the week-long conclave of exiles now in progress at the Dalai Lama’s initiative in Dharamsala offers an opportunity for a critical self-appraisal so as to find a more pragmatic and workable strategy for the coming years.

A good beginning has been provided by the Dalai Lama’s recent public admissions. He said this month that the path of negotiations with China has failed to yield any results even as the situation in Tibet deteriorates. And late last month, he said: "I have been sincerely pursuing the middle-way approach in dealing with China for a long time now, but there hasn’t been any positive response from the Chinese side", adding: "As far as I’m concerned I have given up".

Beijing has pursued the same negotiating strategy with the Dalai Lama that it has with India, which is to take the other side round and round the mulberry bush in never-ending talks aimed at changing the facts on the ground while projecting moderation. This approach also has been employed to try and wheedle out concessions by putting forth new demands at regular intervals and thereby placing the onus for progress on the other side — something China has skilfully practiced in its serial negotiations with India since 1981 on the border issue and with the Dalai Lama’s envoys since 2002.

As for the Dalai Lama’s "middle way", the Tibetan leader admittedly has secured nothing from Beijing since he moved two decades ago from seeking Tibet’s independence to advocating its autonomy within China. In fact, no sooner had a lot of ballyhooing started about the "middle way" than Tibet witnessed a harsh martial-law crackdown in 1989 under the local Communist Party boss who today is China’s President.

The Dalai Lama, however, can hardly be faulted for seeking conciliation and accommodation with China. As the Tibetans are in no position to undo China’s conquest of their homeland, he has sagaciously sought a negotiated settlement to guarantee autonomy to Tibet within China, no more than what has been granted to Hong Kong and Macao. Had he not tested China’s sincerity for compromise, he would not have shown to the world that the autocrats in Beijing still prefer repression to reform in Tibet.

If the Dalai Lama has made any mistakes, they have not been strategic but tactical. This year, for example, he strikingly failed to capitalise on the largest, most-powerful Tibetan uprising since he was forced to flee Tibet in 1959. By resuming talks with Beijing after the March uprising, he actually came to the succour of a regime still vilifying him. The talks helped China to forestall a wide international boycott of the Beijing Olympics’ opening ceremony and to deflect criticism of the way it ruthlessly suppressed the Tibetan protests that flared in Lhasa and spread like wild fire even to the Tibetan areas merged in Han provinces.

Now, downcast and lost, the Dalai Lama is holding the conclave — the first of its kind since 1991 — and asking fellow Tibetans to decide the future course of action. He remains the greatest asset for the Tibetan cause — the iconic figure that internationally personifies the struggle against brutal Chinese rule over a vast, resource-rich plateau that historically served as the buffer between the Chinese and Indian civilisations. But he has also shown through some missteps that even a god-king is prone to human failings.

The Dalai Lama confronts a serious predicament. Buffeted by pressures from host India and weighed down by America’s reluctance to pay more than lip service to the Tibetan cause, the aging leader has seen his options crimp in the face of China’s emergence in one generation as a world power. America’s economic interlinks with China, including a growing reliance on Chinese capital inflows, have helped produce a succession of China-friendly US Presidents. Barack Obama, saddled with the weakest US economy in 25 years, will be no different.

Other Western states have not been different. The biggest sinner, Britain, has only compounded its colonial-era machinations by its October 29 decision — on the eve of the last round of Chinese-Tibetan talks — to formally scrap the British Indian government’s recognition of China’s suzerainty relationship with Tibet embodied in the 1914 Simla Convention. This action, taken without consulting New Delhi, implies that London now recognises China’s full sovereignty over Tibet.

India has a far greater stake in the future of Tibet than any other country. Yet its government leaders, far from playing India’s trump card against China — the Dalai Lama — are too shy to openly meet him, even as New Delhi continues to turn the other cheek to China’s provocations. Take the newest Chinese statement irately denouncing the Indian foreign minister’s sterile reassertion of a geographical fact for home audiences — that Arunachal Pradesh is an Indian state.

Beijing’s bizarre logic is that because it "has never recognised the illegal McMahon Line" — and "India knows this" — New Delhi has no business to say Arunachal is part of India. But how does a disputed boundary line justify China’s claim over an entire Indian state that is nearly three times the size of Taiwan — a state the Dalai Lama vouches was never part of Tibet? Tibet’s occupying power is silent on that issue. Yet, instead of summoning the Chinese ambassador the next day, New Delhi kept quiet over Beijing’s latest provocation.

Because China disputes with India the very 1914 boundary line it has accepted with Burma, should New Delhi also lay claim to large chunks of territory — to the north of the McMahon Line, on grounds of cultural links with Arunachal? New Delhi need not pay back Beijing in the same coin. But why has it retreated to a more and more defensive position by allowing Beijing to shift the focus from its annexation of Tibet to the supposed centrality of Arunachal Pradesh’s future status?

If Beijing’s logic is wacky, New Delhi’s seems absent. Little surprise thus that the poor Dalai Lama appears at a loss to fathom India’s strategic thinking. He shouldn’t even try: As long as India continues to be governed by doddering old men whose only priority is survival in power, its policy will stay feckless. Nor should he ever take his cue from a host country that still mistakes stagecraft for statecraft. India has a track record of betraying friends but respecting enemies.

Clearly, this is crunch time for the Tibetan cause. Abandoning the path of non-violence cannot be a credible option. Violent means against a trigger-happy despotic regime will bring little more than misery to Tibetans. But staying put in a barren negotiating process only works to China’s strategic advantage.

It was overoptimistic to expect the "middle way" to sway rulers who have been proverbial extremists, lurching from one end of the pendulum (hardcore Communists) to the other (unashamed capitalists). Whom they denounced as enemies earlier are the very states they zealously befriend today. Their policies have disregarded human costs in the past and environmental costs now.

Against such rulers, the Dalai Lama needs a more flexible, nuanced, reciprocity-tied and leverage-playing approach geared to finding and exploiting right opportunities. He also needs to clarify the rules for choosing his successor, lest a waiting Beijing anoint a puppet Dalai Lama.
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I sense here a similar situation as that which took place in the Middle East,where yasser Arafat,who was the undisputed leader of the Palestinians died on the brink of an Israeli-Palestinian peace.At that time Sharon and Arafat,both leaders whom their respective people's trusted,almost brought off a general peace agreement,but for some grandstanding on a few vital issues.Arafat sudenly died and left the Palestinians in limbo,with a weak leader and Hamas emerging victorious to take over a hard line policy with Israel,that continues to this day,with theri rocket attacks from Gaza.Sharon also departed ,replaced with a weak leader who is also departing politically.

China has had all the opportunities to make a deal with the Dalai Lama,who never challenged China's sovereignity over Tibet,something that will now inevitably disappear with radical Tibetan youth comign to the fore.Had the Chinese embraced peace in Tibet,Taiwan would've fallen into its lap consequently,looking at a peaceful resolution of Tibet.Instead,the Chinese hardline actions in Tibet,violence against Buddhist monks,etc.,has ouitraged the international community and reminded sonambulist Indian MEA and military mandarins of the great danger that lies just moments across the Himalayas from a Tibet were ethnic cleansing is taking place apace,especially with the arrival of the railway to Tibet.India as much as the Tibetan diaspora,have much serious thinking to do,perhaps with discretion in concert as to how to stop and reverse China's dangerous Tibetan gambit that will have dramatic military consequences for the Indian subcomntinent.
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How long before we give a fitting reply to the chines trangression across the LAC? this needs to happen, but before this can happen the Nuclear biad (if not triad yet) needs to be well oiled and ready.

There have been many report of transgressions but not return of complement - or do these also happen but not in the media much
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rohan_thak wrote:How long before we give a fitting reply to the chines trangression across the LAC? this needs to happen, but before this can happen the Nuclear biad (if not triad yet) needs to be well oiled and ready.

There have been many report of transgressions but not return of complement - or do these also happen but not in the media much
Its dyad, not biad.

And the transgressions aren't permanent changes in the LAC. The PLA intrudes and extrudes before yindian forces arrive.
If these transgressions permanently alter the LAC, then there's lots to worry about.
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Sanku wrote:It feels a little funny reading that India should do this and India should do that when referring to actions outside the border when current GoI appears to be doing its best to hurt Indian interests inside its own borders.

Hush Sanku,

You will be accused of trying to keep India in the middle ages. Don't you know, the only way India can make progress is with US help, whether in Nepal or in nuclear power. :P
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nkumar wrote:From Asian Age, posting in full as site doesn't achieve.
Crunch time for Tibetans
Brahma Chellaney


Other Western states have not been different. The biggest sinner, Britain, has only compounded its colonial-era machinations by its October 29 decision — on the eve of the last round of Chinese-Tibetan talks — to formally scrap the British Indian government’s recognition of China’s suzerainty relationship with Tibet embodied in the 1914 Simla Convention. This action, taken without consulting New Delhi, implies that London now recognises China’s full sovereignty over Tibet.
This shows that colonial powers even after the age of colonialism have enormous influence on the course of action among the former colonies with such kind of treaties. By keeping such treaties they have created wars and boundary dispute between China and India after independence. They are now putting the seeds of larger conflict in the heartland of asia so that for several decades Asian countries and their economies will be debilitated.
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vsudhir wrote:And the transgressions aren't permanent changes in the LAC. The PLA intrudes and extrudes before yindian forces arrive.
If these transgressions permanently alter the LAC, then there's lots to worry about.
I suppose it was this kind of thinking that was prevalent within the Indian decision makers prior to 1962. I remember going over the Nehru/MEA-Peking notes (released by Peking in November of 1962) that specifically quoted Nehru making a similar comment as that above. He and several others within his clique also made similar comments along the same lines as above till as late as the summer of 1962.

The point is, every one of these people missed the underlying declaration being made by the Chinese with these actions: The McMahon line was not recognized by China and that China was showing the will to use military forces to bring the issue to the fore. More importantly, it explicitly shows the will of the Chinese to resort to Military force when Political force stalls. There is a difference between the two previous statements. It simply shows how quickly the Chinese consider the military option within all of their political plans. And if that is the case, you can also assume that they take the military situation at the border very seriously. Now compare this kind of political-military relationship in Beijing to the one on the Indian side. If that is not something to worry about, tell me what is.

BTW, the only time the transgressions permanently alter the LAC will be the time the invasion has begun. Too late for the other side to consider "getting worried about".

People keeping saying that China states every one of its future actions well in advance. But what use is it if the other side has put his hands to his ears and turned his back to the incoming dagger?

-Vivek
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Watching history being made.

NYTimes OpEd :: Did Britain Just Sell Tibet?

By ROBERT BARNETT
Published: November 24, 2008

THE financial crisis is going to do more than increase unemployment, bankruptcy and homelessness. It is also likely to reshape international alignments, sometimes in ways that we would not expect.

As Western powers struggle with the huge scale of the measures needed to revive their economies, they have turned increasingly to China. Last month, for example, Gordon Brown, the British prime minister, asked China to give money to the International Monetary Fund, in return for which Beijing would expect an increase in its voting share.

Now there is speculation that a trade-off for this arrangement involved a major shift in the British position on Tibet, whose leading representatives in exile this weekend called on their leader, the Dalai Lama, to stop sending envoys to Beijing — bringing the faltering talks between China and the exiles to a standstill.

The exiles’ decision followed an announcement on Oct. 29 by David Miliband, the British foreign secretary, that after almost a century of recognizing Tibet as an autonomous entity, Britain had changed its mind. Mr. Miliband said that Britain had decided to recognize Tibet as part of the People’s Republic of China. He even apologized that Britain had not done so earlier.

Until that day, the British had described Tibet as autonomous, with China having a “special position” there. This formula did not endorse the Tibetan claim to independence. But it meant that in the British view China’s control over Tibet was limited to a condition once known as suzerainty, somewhat similar to administering a protectorate. Britain, alone among major powers, had exchanged official agreements with the Tibetan government before the Chinese takeover in 1951, so it could scarcely have said otherwise unless it was to vitiate those agreements.

After the People’s Republic of China joined the United Nations in 1971, British politicians refrained from referring to their country’s recognition of Tibet’s autonomy to avoid embarrassing Beijing. But that didn’t make it less significant. It remained the silent but enduring legal basis for 30 years of talks between the Dalai Lama and Beijing, in which the Tibetans have called only for autonomy and not independence — a position that a conference of Tibetan exiles in India reaffirmed on Saturday.

Mr. Miliband described the British position as an anachronism and a colonial legacy. It certainly emerged out of a shabby episode in colonial history, Francis Younghusband’s cavalier invasion of Tibet in 1903. But the British description of Tibet’s status in the era before the modern nation-state was more finely tuned than the versions claimed by Beijing or many exiles, and it was close to the findings of most historians.

Britain’s change of heart risks tearing up a historical record that frames the international order and could provide the basis for resolving China’s dispute with Tibet. The British government may have thought the issue of no significance to Britain’s current national interests and so did not submit it to public debate. But the decision has wider implications. India’s claim to a part of its northeast territories, for example, is largely based on the same agreements — notes exchanged during the Simla convention of 1914, which set the boundary between India and Tibet — that the British appear to have just discarded. That may seem minor to London, but it was over those same documents that a major war between India and China was fought in 1962, as well as a smaller conflict in 1987.

The British concession to China last month was buried within a public statement calling on Beijing to grant autonomy in Tibet, leading some to accuse the British government of hypocrisy. It is more worrying if it was a miscalculation. The statement was released two days before the Dalai Lama’s envoys began the eighth round of talks with Beijing on their longstanding request for greater autonomy, apparently because the British believed — or had been told — that their giveaway to Beijing would relax the atmosphere and so encourage China to make concessions to the Dalai Lama.

The result was the opposite. On Nov. 10, China issued a damning attack on the exile leader, saying his autonomy plan amounted to ethnic cleansing, disguised independence and the reintroduction of serfdom and theocracy. The only thing that China will henceforth discuss with the exiles is the Dalai Lama’s personal status, meaning roughly which luxury residence he can retire to in Beijing.

The official press in China has gleefully attributed European concessions on Tibet to the financial crisis. “Of course these European countries are at this time not collectively changing their tune because their conscience has gotten the better of them,” announced The International Herald Leader, a government-owned paper in Beijing, on Nov. 7. It added that the financial crisis “has made it impossible for them not to consider the ‘cost problem’ in continuing to ‘aid Tibetan independence’ and anger China. After all, compared to the Dalai, to as quickly as possible pull China onto Europe’s rescue boat is even more important and urgent.”

Britain’s concession could be China’s most significant achievement on Tibet since American support for Tibetan guerillas was ended before Nixon’s visit to Beijing. Including China in global decision-making is welcome, but Western powers should not rewrite history to get support in the financial crisis. It may be more than banks and failed mortgages that are sold off cheap in the rush to shore up ailing economies.

Robert Barnett, the director of the Modern Tibetan Studies Program at Columbia, is the author of “Lhasa: Streets With Memories.”
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Aditya G wrote:
2. Sikkim:

- Large number of hydro electric projects under construction. I counted three from the highway.

- Roads are being widened thruout the state. BRO is everywhere. Exisiting road upto Nathu La is pretty good and accomodates for 2 lanes of traffic.

- Atleast one 105 mm battery deployed near chinese border visible from highway near Nathu La.

- BRO is using heavy equipment such as Tata Tippers, BEML bulldozers, drills, hydraulic cranes and earth movers apart from daily wage labour.

- Large number of trucks operated by Sikkim Nationalised Transport company. No doubt aiding the speedy construction.

- Trading market has been established where Chinese drive in their lorries (identified by Chinese number plates) and hawk their goods. These guys can even speak broken Hindi now. Chinese goods of all kinds are in every shop in Sikkim. Fake Nikes, Reeboks galore.

How is the accees to Tibet. Can we visit Lhasa. How far is Lhasa from Sikkim
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Acharya wrote:How is the accees to Tibet. Can we visit Lhasa. How far is Lhasa from Sikkim
Lhasa on the road through the Chumbi Valley through Yatung and Gyantse would be the better part of 300 miles away. Difficult altitudes but relatively easier travel from there than from any other point along our border. However, the access for Indians from Sikkim to Lhasa is highly "regulated" given the Chinese military deployments and infrastructure on the other side that would be visible to travelers. If you want to get to Lhasa, the best way is south from mainland China.

-Vivek
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DL now on Twitter:

http://twitter.com/ohhdl
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The Chinese Police are so kind.

A very humane way indeed to end the agony!
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Shame on "unpatriotic BRFites" that you fall for "propaganda" :roll: :roll:

Check out the truth from a true Indian,N.Ram:
Tibet on road of rapid uplift: N. Ram

— Photo: Xinhua

Higher standard of life: Tibetan villagers dance during a celebration before moving into new houses in Lhasa, recently. Some 3,12,000 farmers and herders from 57,800 families had moved from shanty homes to solid brick houses in Tibet under a government-subsidised housing project aimed at improving living conditions.

BEIJING: A prominent Indian journalist on Wednesday rejected “Tibetan independence propaganda”, saying the region’s economic growth was good and the atmosphere was “relaxed”.

“The problems are largely in the minds of some sections abroad, in ‘make-believe Tibet’, and in the propaganda of the pro-independence movement of the Dalai Lama,” N. Ram, Editor-in-Chief of The Hindu, a leading English language Indian daily, told Xinhua on Wednesday.

Mr. Ram’s comments came after he concluded a three-day visit to southwest China’s Tibet Autonomous Region earlier this week. It was his third visit to Tibet since 2000.

“People always asked why I went to Tibet again and again,” said Mr. Ram, attributing the visits to his intention to “do a reality check.”

Mr. Ram described how the Dalai Lama and “the so-called Tibetan government-in-exile” were active in India and some other countries claiming Tibetans were being reduced to a minority by the Han people and proclaiming a “Greater Tibet” with a population of six million.

Mr. Ram has travelled to various parts of the region, from the capital city of Lhasa to underdeveloped villages. He has seen schools, monasteries, orphanages and factories.

“The reality is that Tibet is on the road of rapid economic development and the atmosphere there is relaxed, not tense at all,” he said.

“Tibet is remote for ordinary Chinese. You must be a fool to believe that Tibetans are being made a minority,” Mr. Ram commented.

The total population of the region hit 2.84 million in 2007, with Tibetans accounting for 92 per cent according to official figures.

Mr. Ram observed that the problem facing Tibet was the economic slowdown as the global financial crisis took its toll on the region. “But the growth rate of Tibet is still good, more than 10 per cent per year, much higher than other parts of the world.”

Mr. Ram’s latest visit coincided with the run-up to the Tibetan New Year. “We witnessed fewer people in work places as they went back home to celebrate the New Year,” he noted. He added that there was no sign of strain or suppression there as people were filled with excitement and the atmosphere was festive. “There were plenty of signs of prosperity on my long drive from Lhasa to Nyingchi,” said Mr. Ram.

On the region’s move to commemorate the end of feudal serfdom every year on March 28 — the day the Chinese government dissolved the aristocratic local government of Tibet and freed more than one million serfs in 1959 — he said: “It is a good decision” adding that “there were serf systems in many countries, but it was worse in Tibet”.

“The contrast between the old and the new is very powerful, demonstrating what the Chinese government and the system have done for Tibet.” — Xinhua
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Penguin island - where the more things change the more they remain the same. Economic upliftment and spectacular rise in living conditions precede revolutions and uprisings - and the Leftist Ram should remember the ;lessons of communist history in the USSR. Tibet will become independent, and there is a method to doing that. There is nothing that China can do to prevent it. It is good that they invest now (with large scale takeovers of land and resoucres simultaneously by the Hans) - for thsi capital infrastrcuture will come in handy for independent Tibet. :mrgreen:
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"Tibetans near extinction"-Dalai lama.

Like the many species of bird and animal life made extinct in China,because in the immortal words of writer Paul Theroux,"they were good to eat",so also are the Tibetans being exterminated by the rabid Chinese commies,because of their religion,culture and independence,absolutely anathema to the Chinese gameplan of global domination.50 years on from the Dalai Lama's escape from Tibet,the genocide against Tibetans has been shamefully ignored by the global community,which has feasted along with the Chinese at the economic banquet of mutual greed.A proud independent nation of Tibetans are gasping for life and the only nation that can and must preserve this culture and religion from extinction is India!Let us unite in supporting the cause of a free Tibet and crush and castrate the Chinese religious and cultural rapists of the Communist Chinese.The future of the world lies in the saving of Tibat and Taiwan from Chicom annexation and extermination.AFter China has swallowed these two natuions,India will be next on its evil menu.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... exile.html
Dalai Lama warns Tibetans are 'near extinction' at 50th anniversary of exile
The Dalai Lama, Tibet's spiritual leader, has marked 50 years of his flight from China and exile in India with a defiant speech praising the sacrifices of those killed during last year's uprising, but warning that Tibetan identity was "nearing extinction."

By Dean Nelson in New Delhi
Last Updated: 6:37AM GMT 10 Mar 2009

Despite 50 years of international campaigning and fruitless negotiations with Chinese leaders, Tibetans were still treated like criminals in their own country, he said.

"These 50 years have brought untold suffering and destruction to the land and people of Tibet. Even today, Tibetans in Tibet live in constant fear and the Chinese authorities remain constantly suspicious of them," he told followers in Dharamsala, the Indian home of his government in exile.

"Today, the religion, culture, language and identity, which successive generations of Tibetans have considered more precious than their lives, are nearing extinction; in short, the Tibetan people are regarded like criminals deserving to be put to death," he said.

He charted his exiled government's successive attempts to negotiate a settlement with Beijing which would allow Tibetans to preserve their unique culture and to live in autonomy within the People's Republic of China, but said repeated promises from Chairman Mao Tse-tung, Zhou Enlai and Deng Xiaoping, had come to nothing.

Negotiations continue to break down because Chinese officials insist Tibetans accept their country has always been a part of China, which he said was not only "inaccurate but also unreasonable. We cannot change the past no matter whether it was good or bad," he said.

The Communist government in China had imposed the Cultural Revolution, commune experiments and violent and repressive campaigns on the Tibetans, and more recently, following the brutal suppression of last year's uprising, had forced them to endure "patriotic re-education." These measures had "thrust Tibetans into such depths of suffering and hardship that they literally experienced hell on earth. The immediate result of these campaigns was the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Tibetans," he said.

Though now semi-retired, he pledged to continue campaigning for Tibetan freedom, and urged his exiled followers to "hope for the best but prepare for the worst."
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/ma ... nniversary

Explosives and anger on eve of 50th anniversary of Dalai Lama's exile• Unrest in province as crowds throw bombs
• Extra troops and police gather on Tibet's borders

Here is an excellent view of how China distorts history (Tibet) to suit its global ambitions.
http://www.island.lk/2009/03/10/features10.html
Truth from the Facts
Fifty Years After The Revolt In Lhasa
by Claude Arpi
The Statesman/ANN

The Chinese have a problem. They are not able to look at facts straight. Fifty years ago, on March 10, 1959, when the entire population of Lhasa, the Tibetan capital revolted against their rule, their mouthpiece, Xinhua blamed Tibetan 'rebellious bandits' for attacking their 'Liberation' army. The communiqué said: "Betraying the motherland [China], the Tibetan Local Government and the upper-strata reactionary clique colluded with imperialism-assembled rebellious bandits and launched armed attacks against the People's Liberation Army (PLA). The valiant units of the PLA stationed in Tibet completely smashed the rebellious bandits. Now, the units of the PLA, assisted by patriotic people of all sections, both monks and lay, are mopping up the rebellious bandits in other places in Tibet."

The facts which had forced the Dalai Lama, the Tibetan temporal and spiritual leader, to flee his country a few days earlier were indeed different. The 'bandits' just wanted to preserve their way of life, safeguard their culture against the onslaught of the atheist neighbour and save the life of their revered leader.

Tibet had been under occupation for the past nine years when in early 1959, the situation reached a climax. The last straw was the invitation by the commandant of the Chinese forces in Lhasa to the young Dalai Lama for a theatrical performance inside the Chinese camp. A strange condition had been added: he should come without his bodyguards.

On March 10, the population of Lhasa surrounded the Dalai Lama's palace; they had decided to prevent him from attending the Chinese performance. The stalemate continued during the following days and finally during the night of March 17, the young Tibetan leader secretly fled his palace for India.

On March 21, the Chinese shelled the Norbulingka palace; thousands of men, women and children camping in the vicinity were slaughtered. The Dalai Lama's bodyguard regiment was disarmed and publicly machine-gunned. According to the Tibetan government-in-exile, over 86,000 Tibetans in Central Tibet were killed by the Chinese during this period. The bandits had been smashed!

Fifty years later, how are these tragic days remembered by Beijing? A recent news item on Radio Lhasa in its Tibetan programme summarized the official line: "In 1959, democratic reforms were introduced in Tibet, giving ownership rights to peasants and nomads, abolishing the feudal serf system which blended religious and temporal authorities. [Since then] the Tibetan people have followed the socialist path; a new era started. For the past 50 years, under the correct leadership of the Communist Party of China, the liberated Tibetan people became the master of their own State; they exercised their power in the fields of politics, economics and culture, etc. The Tibetan people moved from darkness to light, backwardness to progress, poverty to prosperity, dictatorship to democracy and closed door to open door policy."

This is not the opinion of most Tibetans who still deeply resent the occupation of their country. The recent unrest is the latest inconvenient proof of it.

Already in 1959, Jawaharlal Nehru, the eulogist of an eternal friendship between India and China, was deeply hurt by the tone used by Beijing. During a debate in Parliament, he said that the Xinhua statement was written in a 'cold-war language': "To say that a number of 'upper strata reactionaries' in Tibet were solely responsible for this appears to be an extraordinary simplification of a complicated situation."

The Chinese leaders have never considered it a historical truth, but the fact is that more than 90 per cent of the population of Lhasa participated in the demonstrations in front of the Norbulinka palace in March 1959. Beijing has always refused to acknowledge that its Tibet policy was wrong. The Tibetans had also revolted because for the first time in Tibet's 2000-year history, the large number of occupying troops in Central Tibet had created hardship and famine for the local population. Perhaps worse, the people could not practice their religion anymore, the way they had done for centuries. These are hard facts.

The Chinese saw only the hand of the "Dalai's clique', some imperialists and serf-owners: "These rebels represent imperialism and the most reactionary major serf-owners. …as the motherland is thriving and prospering day by day, the policy of the Central People's Government toward Tibet is correct". Adding that the PLA "enjoyed the warm support and love of the people of all sections in Tibet and the rebellious conspiracy of a handful of reactionaries had no support from the Tibetan people."

Ironically, this year China celebrates the 30th anniversary of its 'open door' policy initiated by Deng Xiaoping, the paramount leader who based his campaign on the slogan of 'seeking truth from facts".

However, today like fifty years ago, 'facts' are thrown to the wind to suit the ideology of a totalitarian regime. The so-called liberated serfs, supposedly swimming in happiness, demonstrated their resentment once again in March/April 2008. On March 10, some 500 monks of the Drepung monastery marched to Lhasa to commemorate the 1959 uprising. Some were arrested.

As repression immediately started, more and more lay people and monks joined the demonstrators. This culminated in thousands taking to the streets on March 14. During the following days, the unrest spread all over Tibet. More than 200 causalities and thousands of arrests were reported.

Wen Jiabao, the Chinese Premier, stated soon after: "On March 14, violence involving beating, smashing property, looting and arson broke out in Lhasa". Like in 1959, he blamed it on the 'Dalai clique'.

Zhang Qingli, party chief in Tibet, went a step further: he called the Dalai Lama "a wolf in monk's clothes, a devil with a human face" and added: "Those who do not love the motherland are not qualified to be human beings".

For the past 50 years, this attitude has not helped in bridging the abyss between the Hans and the Tibetan population living on the Roof of the World. However, several Chinese intellectuals have begun to speak up against the vicious circle of blaming the Tibetans, demonizing the Dalai Lama and imposing more repression.

Zhang Boshu, a professor of philosophy at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences believes that the attitude of the leadership in Beijing will lead nowhere. In his essay entitled ***The Way to Resolve the Tibet Issue***, he writes: "Chinese of my age grew up hearing songs like 'The Red Sun is rising above the snowy mountains' and seeing movies like 'serfs'. In those days we really believed that under the leadership of the Communist Party 'the serfs have been liberated' and were living happy lives. Later, after reading a lot of historical materials, I learned that there were many untruths in the propaganda."

For him, the blame for the increasing resentment of the Tibetan population squarely lies with the Communist party.

Another dissenting voice, Wang Lixiong, a known author married to a Tibetan, also believes that the way the Dalai Lama is demonized and the monks are treated by the Han authorities in Tibet, aggravates the issue. The beating and torturing of monks in March/April 2008, provided fodder for the civil unrest to spread further and in several cases to turn violent.

In an oped page article in ***The Wall Street Journal***, Zhang Lixiong wrote: "When the Chinese government demands that [the monks] denounce their spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, monks are forced to choose between obeying (which violates their deepest spiritual convictions) and resisting."

This is not understood in Beijing which sticks to the old tune. Radio Lhasa aired a few days back: "Thanks to the Central Committee of Communist Party, the children of Tibetan Autonomous Region are leading a happy life at present".

What about seeking truth from facts?

***The writer is an expert in China-Tibet relations and the author of***
Fate of Tibet
PS:Not only cannot the Chinese see the truth as it truly is but,ChiCom lover,N.Ram of the "Chindu" also cannot see beyond what his Beijing masters tell him! Ram was recently in Tibet on behalf of the Chinese to paint a pretty picture 50 years after the invasion and annexation of Tibet,and could only see through the coloured lenses of ChiCom propaganda.
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China-ruled Tibet 'hell on earth', says Dalai Lama

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Chin ... 248774.cms

Pakistan's naughty attitude and funny terror games with India are regular reminder of the support (unconditional) from China. Unless India strategically hurt China by arming Tibetians or with a strong freedom struggle of Tibetian armed forces, China will never stop supporting Pakistan completely.

If India wish to send a strong message it is essential that Tibet is given an autonomous status to many extent even like Taiwan at least, then Pakistan will settle their terrorism within and so will not think about hide and seek terror game with India!!! India has to go beyond Dalai Lama in this case.

I strongly believe that the democratised China will be the best friend for India in future!!! Chinese and Tibetians can live as people with decentralised power in this part of the world - both great cultures!!
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joshvajohn wrote:China-ruled Tibet 'hell on earth', says Dalai Lama

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Chin ... 248774.cms

Pakistan's naughty attitude and funny terror games with India are regular reminder of the support (unconditional) from China. Unless India strategically hurt China by arming Tibetians or with a strong freedom struggle of Tibetian armed forces, China will never stop supporting Pakistan completely.

If India wish to send a strong message it is essential that Tibet is given an autonomous status to many extent even like Taiwan at least, then Pakistan will settle their terrorism within and so will not think about hide and seek terror game with India!!! India has to go beyond Dalai Lama in this case.

I strongly believe that the democratised China will be the best friend for India in future!!! Chinese and Tibetians can live as people with decentralised power in this part of the world - both great cultures!!
well, The Dalai Lama (edited by RayC) can say whatever he want ...but whatever he says can change the fact: " china is on the way to be the next superpower....and .....no country dare "liberate Tibet" from the hand of PRC..."
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