Bharat Rakshak

narayanan wrote:How's this?

1. The officer's official credentials may have been used on orders to get the RDX from the factory ("for National Security Purposes, Don't Ask Questions!"). Not hard to do, hey, for others inside Army Intel? Signature-faking etc. should come very easily....

2. Someone may have faked the Saadhvi's appearance (not hard to do, probably head covered, face with lots of turmeric, sandalwood paste, vibhooti, kumkum etc) and her ID, to buy the SIM card.

3. Someone may actually have called the nutcase who was ordered to take the Saadhvi's moped (did she really ride a motorbike?) and the RDX and place it outside the mosque.

4. Some may have called the guy, FROM a cellphone with the Saadhvi's SIM, and chewed him out for failing to kill more ppl.

5. So from the bomb-placer's pov, he got a call as he was told to expect to get, from the Saaadhvi. He did his assignment, and then he got called by the same voice and same number, and chewed out.

6. The SIM-seller is sure that he sold it to someone who looked very much like the Saadhvi, and he sure ain't retracting that, because if the Saadhvi goes free, then he is still on the hook for selling the SIM to terrorists.

7. The Lt Col has to admit that the signature LOOKS like his, the stationery is from his office, the office stamp is his. But he says "I had NOTHING to do with this!"

8. The ATS says: "Aha! Likely story! Army intelligence just hands out their seals to anyone? WHO can sneak inside a LT. COL's office and steal this? Will an Army facility just hand over a packet of RDX without VERIFYING the orders?"

9. Everyone wants to CYA by saying: "IMPOSSIBLE! DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE ARMY INTELLIGENCE!"
(no offence, I am showing how it all fits)

10. So now the ATS babus claim they have cracked the case. Smart ATS officers have grave doubts.

Fits all the facts reported so far.

So WHY frameup? That's easy. There I agree with what all the Holies say, except that there a hajaar reasons. This is why you should check back several months, as to WHEN the first hints came out that such a "revelation" would be the way to go. IIRC, several blasts ago, the IMC, AIM, and their India-based chamchas declared that "Police must investigate the blasts conducted by Hindu Terrorists as Well!" and mentioned two cases. One was the Darwin Award Winner in UP who managed to inflate himself. I wondered which one the other was - now I see it.

Also look at the extreme coverage of this investigation in YAWN etc.

The Malegaon blast was, IMO, set off precisely to target Hindus, and the Indian Army, and it was probably done by the same crowd that did the other blasts. Except these were a bit more sophisticated in the frameup.

My opinion is that if the Army officer was really involved, and some gang really wanted "revenge", and he went to all the trouble of getting RDX etc., knowing that these would eventually be traced to him, he would have gone for a truckload, and turned the mosque into a parking lot with all inside.

No sense in doing fedayeen, just to do a blast where the obvious intent was to minimize the number of casualties.

BUT.. I have no evidence, so I cannot argue this. I do think the above fits all the reported facts to-date.

Raju wrote:
Why is this desire to be inclusive in the Hindu being seen as a weakness or dhimmitude or as behaviour of doves who bow down to a superior fighting force.

shiv wrote: "Weakness" is your interpretation

"Dhimmitude" might have been normal Hindu inclusive behavior - but it certainly explains both Hindu survival and Ayub Khan's opinion of Hindus.

But none of this explains denial of history. The important fact in my view is the excuses that are being put forward to explain away that denial. However the acknowledgment that history has been fudged is welcome.

Why is it necessary to deny history. Is it a hallmark of secularism to deny history? Why is history not denied in totality, but only partially? What are some things good to talk about, but other things are explained away by ploys made to sound like Holy Hindu mumbo jumbo? Does secularism need to use Hindu sounding excuses to demy Hindu history?

Raju wrote: how will those that were created by this God fare, when they begin to mirror and aspire to emulate the behaviour of those who belong to the 'vengeful God' of the semites and those who belong to the desert ? Should they even try to copy this ?

Can a Hindu reverse from his basic code, and still succeed ?

shiv wrote:

Raju wrote:
Why is this desire to be inclusive in the Hindu being seen as a weakness or dhimmitude or as behaviour of doves who bow down to a superior fighting force.

"Weakness" is your interpretation

"Dhimmitude" might have been normal Hindu inclusive behavior - but it certainly explains both Hindu survival and Ayub Khan's opinion of Hindus.
But none of this explains denial of history. The important fact in my view is the excuses that are being put forward to explain away that denial. However the acknowledgment that history has been fudged is welcome.



Why is it necessary to deny history. Is it a hallmark of secularism to deny history? Why is history not denied in totality, but only partially? What are some things good to talk about, but other things are explained away by ploys made to sound like Holy Hindu mumbo jumbo? Does secularism need to use Hindu sounding excuses to demy Hindu history?

ramana wrote:Wow! And all along psecs were taking credit for their 'brutus fulmen' requests to USSD to deny visa. And Indian DDM was trumpeting these false victories.

ramana wrote:Maybe they will connect them to 9/11 too while at it.

ATS ‘plot’ runs aground

Preetam Srivastava/ PNS | Lucknow/ New Delhi

No Gorakhpur leader involved, says UP Govt

The mystery over the alleged involvement of an important religious leader from Uttar Pradesh in the Malegaon blast deepened on Tuesday with State Government denying the involvement of any political leader or ‘VIP’ from Gorakhpur in the terror case.

The ATS move to interrogate the ‘VIP’ has created an upheaval in the political circles. The BJP leaders in Delhi said it confirmed their suspicion that ahead of the crucial Assembly polls, the UPA was all out to link majority community with terror design, while firebrand party MP from Gorakhpur Yogi Adityanath accused the Congress of hatching a conspiracy to defame Hindu organisations.

“The ATS is acting under the instructions of the Congress. There is a dangerous conspiracy going on where an attempt is being made to link RSS with terrorist organisations,” he alleged while charging that the ongoing probe in the Malegaon case is unfair.

The ATS probe in the Malegaon blast is a “pack of lies and utter rubbish”, he said.

Adityanath also dared Home Minister Shivraj Patil to take action against Sangh Parivar leaders from his Gorakhpur parliamentary constituency in the probe by the Anti-Terrorism Squad (ATS). BJP president Rajnath Singh told The Pioneer he would like the ATS to come out with the name of the religious leader before going to the media.

The party leadership feels that the Congress was seeking to polarise voters on communal lines. The party is expected to react to the developments on Wednesday.

Meanwhile, UP ADG (law & order, crime) Brij Lal denied that Mumbai ATS had contacted them in connection with the “VIP” link, but sources in the UP Government indicated the leader under question could be a respected spiritual and religious figure from eastern UP who played a major role in Ram Temple movement.

There was speculation that the Mumbai ATS wanted to keep the operation a closely-guarded secret so that they could pick up that ‘VIP’ for interrogation without causing any law and order problems.

Sources also confirmed that the ‘VIP’ was neither Yogi Adityanath nor an MLA, as was being projected by some news channels.

The Mumbai ATS team is believed to have reached the temple town late on Tuesday night so as to coordinate the entire operation with their UP counterparts.

archan wrote:

ramana wrote:Wow! And all along psecs were taking credit for their 'brutus fulmen' requests to USSD to deny visa. And Indian DDM was trumpeting these false victories.

I wonder if Mr. Modi even knows about it. I'm sure they would have given him 1 chance to correct the "error". Regardless of religion, people like Hitler cannot be glorified, period. Gotta give it to the Jewish community for keeping their eyes and ears open. I guess when survival is at stake, there is no room for dhimmitude. When there is no threat to a nation's survival, people doze off.

shiv wrote:

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Just like Aurangzeb was a nationalist?

fanne wrote:Well you missed the real piece on Auranjeb per the PS crowd, he built tempels and during his regime, there was no discrimination within Hindus!!

Prem wrote:

fanne wrote:Well you missed the real piece on Auranjeb per the PS crowd, he built tempels and during his regime, there was no discrimination within Hindus!!

AOA!!!
Satyamev Jayte
I knew he was peaceful pious man of ROP. His kind treatment to his own family is good proof of him being deserving Patron Saint of PS crowd. Its onlee Hindu Natioinalist extremists who try to malign his legacy. But lets dont look back but look forward so PS crowd dont have to wait long for the advent of another Secular rule like his.

ramana wrote:Prem and all,

If he wasn't by now Hindusthan would be fully Dar-ul-Islam.

ramana wrote:Can someone familar with Gujarat education system verify this matter about 'glorification' of nazis in the textbooks and when did it begin?

Muppalla wrote:I could only predict Hyd, Ajmer. These guys are obviously smarter than me and they included Samjhauta blasts as well. Great show so far.

TOI - More BIG Hindu leaders involved in Nanded, Ajmer and Samjhauta Express blasts

Speaking to TOI, an IPS official said that the ATS was also probing if the accused in the Malegaon bomb blast case had any links with three other blasts, those at Nanded and Ajmer and the blast in the Samjhauta Express in January 2007.

‘‘In the course of investigations, certain information was received about the involvement of the Malegaon blast accused in the Nanded, Ajmer and Samjhauta Express blasts. We are trying to examine if these cases are linked to the Malegaon blast case,’’ the official said.

Muppalla wrote:If it is (1), are they trying to show to IM that they are the saviours of IM and try to wean them away from rest of minuscule parties of UPA. That way they can atleast consolidate a major chunk while taking the dhimmi Hindu vote for granted. I believe this will backfire as even the dhimmi Hindoos will join the "idiots" out there to defeat the gentlemen. This happened in 1977 and the lesson is that if the push too much the psyche works totally against them.

I read somewhere that calculation is that if CongI gets solid 15% minority votes, another 20% Hindu vote will fetch it 35+% votes. In a scattered electoral situation, it can win significant number of MPs.

NEW DELHI: Maharashtra ATS team on Wednesday arrested religious leader Dayanand Pande from Kanpur in Uttar Pradesh to question him in the
Malegaon blasts case.

A three teams of Maharashtra anti-terrorism squad had reached Uttar Pradesh on Tuesday night in search of a "high profile religious leader" whose name cropped up during the investigation of Malegaon September 29 bomb blasts.

While several names of suspected religious leaders were floated by the media, the ATS was reluctant to speak about it earlier.

Aditya_V wrote:Inder Sharma, You got my post completly wrong. I was not stating an RSS link up but the fact that ULFA yesterday claimed RSS was responsible for the Guwahati blasts. Today COngress is saying RSS is responsible for Guwahati blasts.

So what I was referring to was how disgustingly the Congress, Indian media is jumping to ULFA's aide and stating that what the ULFA says is the truth and nothing but the truth.

Report on Bajrang Dal's activities, Govt to states

Amidst demands for a ban on Bajrang Dal, the Union Home Ministry on Wednesday sought details of activities of the Hindutva organisation from all states.

In a letter to the state governments, the ministry has sought details of the action taken by them to check their activities, a Home Ministry official said.

Though there was no official word whether the Centre was contemplating a ban on the organisation, as demanded by some key UPA allies, sources said such inputs were required before declaring any organisation as outlawed.

Sources said the name of Bajrang Dal was specifically mentioned in the letter sent by the Home Ministry.

The letter comes in the backdrop of incidents of communal violence in some parts of the country leading to demands for strict action against individuals and groups involved in the attacks.

"The ministry of Home Affairs has written to state governments and sought details of the action they may have taken," the official said.

The demand for strong action against the Hindutva organisations, including Bajrang Dal, VHP and RSS have been made both inside and outside the ruling UPA, with some key coalition partners demanding a ban on these groups.