Telangana Monitor

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 10 Dec 2009 23:17

Looks like one school of though (at BRF) feels smaller States are some kind of threat to the Nation. If this understanding is correct on my part, why is that the case?

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 10 Dec 2009 23:23

SwamyG wrote:Looks like one school of though (at BRF) feels smaller States are some kind of threat to the Nation. If this understanding is correct on my part, why is that the case?

SwamyG,

Opposition to present telangana movement = opposition to smaller states because they are a threat to nation

may I know the paki logic behind this?

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 10 Dec 2009 23:33

SwamyG wrote:Looks like one school of though (at BRF) feels smaller States are some kind of threat to the Nation. If this understanding is correct on my part, why is that the case?

It is not the small states themselves but the conditions used to create them is the heartburn for some.

There are multiple dimensions to it

1. How do the smaller states with their internal politics influence national political and leadership scene? Remember the coalition govts of VPS, YoungTurk CSS, HDD, IKG?

2. How will it impact the national resource allocation and management, such as river systems and water resources?

3. Can smaller states gather the large investments required to setup 21st century industries?

4. How would it effect if religious minorities want a separate state within Indian union? What if they would like to implement different set of laws in that state, which will have other religious minorities?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 10 Dec 2009 23:37

And dont forget Omar Khalidi lurking in the US scheming away.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 10 Dec 2009 23:39

ek plate biscuit, ek plate mirchi bajji, 1 by 2 chai la re yah pein.

Ravi:
Kayko kirri kirri..... Light lo.
There are several posts and links in this very thread that point to such a notion.

Aside from the unwisdom of breaking up South India’s largest State, a separate Telangana will fuel demands for a separate Rayalaseema, for a separate coastal Andhra, and, maybe, even for union territory status for Hyderabad — and there will be no Pradesh left. The problem of uneven regional and intra-State development is one of the major challenges rising India faces but there is little to suggest that smaller States will make for a more even process of development.

Aside: Savarkar in his "Letters from Andaman" worries that the nascent Telugu pride movement ( ~ 1911?) could lead to the fracturing of idea of India.

There is good and bad to this smaller states proposition. Good part is what you covered but the bad part is imagine a 1000 regional parties with no cohesion trying to rule the country.

This is 1953-redux. At least Potti Sriramulu was a Gandhian and a credible one at that. You forgot Kamtapur, Gorkhaland, and even a south-TN. Slowly, we may be back to pre-47 560 odd states. Since there are no precise equations that govern human dynamics, noone knows what kinda tiger they have mounted on. One thing is certain: this could either be a masterstroke or a complete disaster, nothing in between. Future will have to tell what it is.

Weakening of power of individual states, consolidation of Central power, and surrender of India to non-Indian interests.

1. The creation of a smaller state will mean lesser resources (police force etc) to fight the Maoists. This is suicidal. Example: The increased impotency of the state in combating Maoists after the creating of Jharkand and Chattisgarh. Advantage Marxist.

I don't include the links and BRFite's name in the above quotation, as it does not matter. I sensed a pattern in at least 5 BRFites. They are from the last 3 pages of this thread.

If my understanding of the pattern is correct, then I have a legit question. Else my understanding is wrong.

Take it easy when jumping and accusing fellow BRFites of Paki logic. We all share common national interest and that is why we are here.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 10 Dec 2009 23:50

SwamyG, My request to munna also applies to you too.

Thanks, ramana

yvijay · Post by **yvijay** » 10 Dec 2009 23:51

It seems even though the agitation was started by KCR’s fast, the movement went to the students hand and it went out of hand. And congress didn’t know whom to talk to, defuse the situation. May be this was ploy just to buy time and figure out who is the leader and whom to talk to?

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 10 Dec 2009 23:57

Rama:
I admit it is an emotional issue; and I personally have no preference (or yet to form an opinion - it does not matter that it is anyway useless). Based on the quotes, I posted above, I thought some members were speaking from a national security aspect and that is why I want little more gyaan.

So far your points are related to Administrative and Political. Will these issues bubble up over the course of years and become a national existence issue? I am trying to gauge how far down is the end of the slippery slope.

Andhuke nenu addigginanu....

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 11 Dec 2009 00:00

Ramana:

Munna the traditional dynamics dont apply here. please dont post without knowing the issues. Andhra is the historic gateway of Deccan. Any trouble ther will affect all that area.

If you are referring to this suggestion from you to Munna, then to my defense I am not really posting or commenting on the issue. Since I don't know I am asking questions.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Dec 2009 00:04

Do it later. Not at this time. Events are unfolding fast.
Akin to Lakshmana falling down after a hit from Indrajt and not the time to recite why we are where we are.

Thanks for understanding.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 11 Dec 2009 00:09

yvijay wrote:It seems even though the agitation was started by KCR’s fast, the movement went to the students hand and it went out of hand. And congress didn’t know whom to talk to, defuse the situation. May be this was ploy just to buy time and figure out who is the leader and whom to talk to?

You call them students?

I am an alumni of OU (campus). I know many people who stay in those hostals for more than 5-10 years. They do one MA degree after another, if at all they complete one. No insults but it is true.

Did the agitation really gone out of control? Govts dealt with even worse communal tensions. This is a childs play for a determined police force. If Indian police/army can handle a Khalistan movement, a Kashmir movement, an ULFA, a Bodo and what not, this Telangana movement is nothing from law-and-order perspective. Given the motivation, the govt can control it in 5 days.

It is a different thing that the govt preferred inaction, and prepared to give in a new state. That is why we are pondering on the motives and trigger points.

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SwamyG garu,

I understood your question. IMO this issue will have a snow ball effect on other regions. INC may or may not use the same strategy in other cases. But others might.

All I can say is Telangana movement had more energy and justification in 2003, not now. By geography Telangana will have water issues. Getting statehood doesn't change geography. It will be very difficult to build a dam on Godavari in that area, even then it will require significant amount of electricity to do lift irrigation into Telangana. Krishna rever already reached its maximum capacity as far as dam-ing is concerned. The Srisailam project withstood a 1 in 100 years water input.

If demand for separate statehood is raised, it should be analysed from a holistic perspective. While the elected political leaders make the decision in a democracy, the recommendations must come from a detailed analysis and risk assessment.

a separate Rayalaseema state (if that happens) will impact KTKA state. If Mandir issue is BJP's, Mandal is Turd-fronts, then INC got its Mandala (region) issue.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 11 Dec 2009 00:10

http://www.eenadu.net/advancepanelhtml. ... anel2a.htm

link will go soon

basically the US govt has given a travel advisory asking its citizens not to go to andhra.
wow! that was fast.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Dec 2009 00:17

Yeah Deccan Chronicle also says the same.

BTW politicsparty guy is going crazy and imagining a lot of things. He thinks its a INC faction move to create two new states and merge the two minor parties: TRS and PRP and marginalize some constituents. the move is backfiring as the non-T legislators are balking to pass the required resolution.

To me this explains the Singhvi comment posted sometime ago as Center is confused.

Total Shani effect from others point of view.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Dec 2009 00:27

Pioneer's Nation Page:

http://www.dailypioneer.com/NATION/Nation.html

yvijay · Post by **yvijay** » 11 Dec 2009 00:43

RamaY wrote:
You call them students?

I am an alumni of OU (campus). I know many people who stay in those hostals for more than 5-10 years. They do one MA degree after another, if at all they complete one. No insults but it is true.

Did the agitation really gone out of control? Govts dealt with even worse communal tensions. This is a childs play for a determined police force. If Indian police/army can handle a Khalistan movement, a Kashmir movement, an ULFA, a Bodo and what not, this Telangana movement is nothing from law-and-order perspective. Given the motivation, the govt can control it in 5 days.

No need

. I know about the psychology and other humanities majors who take them so that they can stay in hostels and prepare for civils and other exams. You make it sound like everybody there is from those majors. I'm only telling about the general perception and that is, it is now controlled by the students. FYI, students from all the districts participated in it, not just OU. Sorry for the OT.
Gleaning the news it looks like congress is in huge dilemma now with the MLA's and MP's resigning. They might have thought all the congress leaders will follow Madamji decision, but they clearly or not. Now rosaiah is saying it will take time to table the resolution and they should not resign. May be they coordinated all this, to defuse the telangana situation. CBN who said he'll support the resoultion untill couple of days has also now back tracked. Total confusion !!!

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 11 Dec 2009 00:46

Ramana garu: I don't agree with you. But I will keep mum.

RamaY garu: Thanks for answering.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Dec 2009 00:47

To get clearer picture of the news as it develops,
I think we should tabulate the pros and cons and who wins or loses for three options?

- Keep Andhra Pradesh united
- Separate Telangana with Hyderabad
- Separate Telangana without Hyderabad

I am not even considering the nightmare of Rayalaseema statehood.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Dec 2009 00:48

OK. Thanks.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 11 Dec 2009 00:52

ramana wrote:- Separate Telangana with Hyderabad

I think we should remove this option. Without hyderabad, telangana has nothing, absolutely low number of industries, no water, not many good educational institutions and so on.

I am not in favor of telangana, but if telangana has to have even a small chance of being a viable and progressive state, hyd has to remain with it.

and what will coastal andhra get by having its capital 200 km away from it. It is an immediate concern because of the sizeable number of "settler" community. The biggest advantage of a capital or a big city is its generation of productive suburbs. if it is 200 km away, it is as good as not being there.

An agreement which gives and codifies that the "settler" community will be treated as telanganites should be good enough and possibly a 15-25 year agreement which gives coastal andhra politicians a major say in the politics of hyderabad by some reservation or back handed methods or joint "custody" should be good enough. It will give time for everyone to see how it will go.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Dec 2009 00:58

Let it stay and it will fall or continue based on its merits or lack of them.

Pioneer has a good summary of the situation.

http://www.dailypioneer.com/221960/Ratt ... y-out.html

SwamyG and Munna, I owe you an explanation. Telangana is an emotional issue for Andhras. There are many members from Andhra in our forum. When fast paced events are happening I dont want a division in the Forum due to lack of clarity in our thoughts. We already saw the issue of Bellary being dragged in. So to reduce mis-perception I made my requests. No offence ment or given.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 11 Dec 2009 01:02

Well some more fuel for fire.

Time for Greater Hyderabad movement
http://teluguflavours.com/politics/view ... 20movement

The Congress MLAs of Hyderabad have been maintaining silence from morning, though their colleagues from Andhra and Seema were busy submitting resignations.
Now even they want to hog the limelight without getting left behind. All the Congress MLAs from Hyderabad have decided to start Greater Hyderabad movement.
The demand of these MLAs is to to form 5 different states out of Andhra Pradesh, namely, Telangana, Greater Hyderabad, Utharandhra, Coastal Andhra and Greater Rayalaseema or stick to United Andhra Pradesh. Hyderabad has 24 MLAs out of the 119 MLAs of Telangana region. With the Hyderabad MLAs inclining towards United Andhra Pradesh, its real tough time for KCR to get the Telangana bill passed in the assembly.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 11 Dec 2009 01:07

Ramana,

I do not see two states forming. It will be either AP whole or telangana+rayalseema + coastal andhra +(possibly uttarandhra)

The krishna basin districts(KBDs) might be ready to do some agreements with rayalseema because of the location of srisailam dam and so on. But if it happens, KBDs will have to necessarily sell out uttarandhra for this. and that creates its own issues.

To control this domino effect, there would need to be strong leaders who can represent atleast their districts - which unfortunately I cannot pinpoint them at this stage. Hopefully some born leaders will grow in this.

It will also mean that regional sartraps and their evolution into regional parties will be fast.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Dec 2009 01:09

On different note:

MK plans to call it a day

Karunanidhi plans to call it a day

Kalyani Shankar

But will the DMK chieftain stick to his decision or is it just a ploy to influence voters before by-elections? If he were to really retire from politics, a fierce and bitter succession battle cannot be ruled out

Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee has hinted at his retirement at the end of his current Lok Sabha term. Expectations are that BJP leader LK Advani may call it a day soon. CPI(M) veteran Jyoti Basu and former Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee are already leading a retired life. Tamil Nadu Chief Minister Muthuvel Karunanidhi is the latest to announce that he will retire in June 2010.

The 85-year-old DMK chief has had a successful public life for more than six decades. He worked with DMK founder CN Annadurai closely. He faced many challenges in his political career and is considered as one of the tallest leaders Tamil Nadu has produced. Kalaignar, as he is affectionately called, made his electoral debut in 1957, winning the Kulithalai Assembly constituency.

He was re-elected from Thanjavur in 1962 but soon shifted to Saidapet in Chennai in 1967. That was the year the DMK wrested power from the Congress in the State for the first time under the leadership of Annadurai. Mr Karunanidhi succeeded Annadurai and since then he became Chief Minister five times.

Mr Karunanidhi significantly said in a public meeting last week, “Brushing aside politics and power, I will come closer to the people.” When will he do it? After the completion of the new Assembly complex, building a world-class library in memory of the DMK founder and holding the world Tamil Conference in June 2010. These three are his unfinished agenda.

Some see Mr Karunanidhi’s announcement giving a cut-off date for his retirement as a pressure tactic to ensure a smooth succession. While the Opposition leaders see it as a political drama ahead of the two by-elections scheduled for December 19, some see it as a threat to his party and family to behave but the party downplays this.

The post-Karunanidhi scenario will be quite fascinating and also a little confusing as he is the only unifying factor at present. With the party ready to accept a dynastic rule, the sibling rivalry among his children may damage it. Trying to divide power within his family, he dispatched his son MK Azhagiri to Delhi as a Minister and his daughter Kanimozhi as an MP. His grand nephew Dayanidhi Maran is also a Central Minister. Above all, he anointed his son MK Stalin as the Deputy Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu hinting his desire that the latter should take over from him.

In the past six months, Mr Karunanidhi has already taken semi-retirement allowing his son to manage the show. Even in the Assembly he allowed more space for Mr Stalin and intervened only when required. It is both a signal and warning to the party and his family. The succession plan of Mr Karunanidhi may not be a smooth affair, as his politically ambitious children will fight for their space in the family and party. Various branches of the Karunanidhi family head the factions in the DMK and this announcement is bound to push these groups to become active.

Mr Karunanidhi is already facing tremendous pressure from Mr Azhagiri who is disenchanted with Delhi politics. He wants to get back to the State politics as he has a strong base in the southern Tamil Nadu and does not want to leave the State entirely to Mr Stalin. This is bound to create tension.

Second, there will be a vacuum as none in his family or in the party will be able to fill it. Mr Karunanidhi is known for his political acumen, shrewdness, political manoeuverings and administrative skills. He has worked with many Prime Ministers, including Mrs Indira Gandhi, Mr Vajpayee and now Mr Manmohan Singh. He has the loyalty of the bureaucracy.

Third, his retirement will have a huge impact on the politics of the State as well as the Centre. AIADMK chief J Jayalalithaa, who is presently waiting and watching, is hopeful that the post-Karunanidhi scenario may be beneficial to her and her party. The two Dravidian parties, DMK and AIADMK, have dominated the Tamil Nadu politics for many decades now. The Congress has been riding piggyback since it lost power in 1967, alternatively aligning itself with the DMK or the AIADMK. Smaller parties like the MDMK, the PMK, dalit parties and the Desiya Murpokku Dravidar Kazhagam of film actor Vijay Kant have only cut into the votes of the DMK and AIADMK. Ms Jayalalithaa, being a shrewd politician, will try to make the most of the confusion and infighting in the DMK once Mr Karunanidhi is out of the picture unless the latter is able settle things to the satisfaction of all.

At the central level too, the DMK may lose its present relevance. Despite not speaking English, Mr Karunanidhi was able to manage the coalition politics effectively without sacrificing his party’s interests. He had managed hefty portfolios for his party at the central level whenever the DMK was part of a coalition. He was able to play a role in the national politics even during the National Front and United Front regimes. His party shared power with almost all the coalition combinations at the Centre.

Fourth, the alliance politics in Tamil Nadu will also change with the Congress trying to occupy the central space of the DMK. Already AICC general secretary Rahul Gandhi is talking about the Congress getting back its lost primacy in the State.

Fifth, the Left parties, which had been aligning with both the Dravidian parties, are keeping their options open. A clear picture will emerge only before the 2011 elections. After a brief honeymoon with the AIADMK in the 2009 polls, the Left has broken free of the AIADMK.

The DMK needs another Karunanidhi but will it get one?

Is it possible for DMK and AIDMK to merge in post MK and JJ scenario?

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 11 Dec 2009 01:10

Shyam SP,

this is not a new fire. Imagine TRS was so afraid of drubbing in hyderabad, that it didnt even contest

Read my own posts about "settler" community. This is precisely the issue I am talking about. Hyderabad never supported telangana

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Dec 2009 01:13

So then what is the problem that the Center agrees suddenly to creating this nightmare?

Dont attribute chankian motives as they are themselves surprised at turn of events going by Press statements.

Will KCR immolate himself this time?

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 11 Dec 2009 01:19

ramana wrote:To get clearer picture of the news as it develops,
I think we should tabulate the pros and cons and who wins or loses for three options?

- Keep Andhra Pradesh united
- Separate Telangana with Hyderabad
- Separate Telangana without Hyderabad

I am not even considering the nightmare of Rayalaseema statehood.

For Rayalaseema guys it is Hyderabad and water. So they want United AP or Rayalaseema state *

Water Takleef:
- They have to deal with two states instead of just karnataka as it is case now
- Getting Bellary can have power on water release. They ignorantly lost it to Karnataka
during state formation. (Now Bellary being mining rich is bonus if they fight for it)

Hyderabad Takleef:
- They put a lot of investments in Hyderabad till recently as returns in Rayalaseema was not that great
- They lost capitol to Hyderabad so what ever development they could have had last 50 years
they lost it.
- Extended families cut across districts till Ranga Reddy district, esp among Reddys

* There are four versions depending on leaders.
- Just Rayalaseema
- Greater Rayalaseema (Rayalaseema with portions of Nellore and Prakasam)
- Greater Rayalaseema (Rayalaseema+Nellore+Prakasam)
- Greater Rayalaseema with Bellary

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 11 Dec 2009 01:22

ramana wrote:So then what is the problem that the Center agrees suddenly to creating this nightmare?

Dont attribute chankian motives as they are themselves surprised at turn of events going by Press statements.

Most probably they are too stupid or Chankian move to control something else.

1) All the one line statements from Congress Legislative Partiess giving rights to Sonia seems to have gone to her head. She didnt understand that it was all "mukha-stuti" and nothing more. Even when Jagan could stop Rosiah for all this time to convene a CLP didnt open her eyes seems to be the problem. She must have thought herself to be a Rajmata with all these trash leaders vying for her attention.

Actually it is interesting in one sense. Remember NTR and TDP was born exactly to counter this psycophancy of local congress to the Gandhi family. Seems like Ramata did not learn her lessons while the local congress did. Last time the revolt was out house, this time it is both out house and in house.

2) You explicitly asked me to not go into this.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 11 Dec 2009 01:29

ramana wrote: Will KCR immolate himself this time?

KCR loves his peg too much to even think about this. The fast-unto-death nonsense gives ample time for destruction to occur on your name and yet live.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Dec 2009 01:43

During Andhra agitation, in RECW there used to be a thing called relay hunger strike. A tent is put up at the gate and a batch of students would sit there from before breakfast till lunch and then another would replace them till dinner! This was the sham called relay hunger strike!

Rest of students would go meet them and drop of liquid refreshments like Gold Spot etc. Water was beneath them.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Dec 2009 01:52

Pioneer, 11 Dec 2009

Tension on streets eases, revelry takes over

Omer Farooq | Hyderabad

The announcement of Union Home Minister P Chidambaram has brought cheers to the people of the neglected and under-developed region. There was a dramatic decrease in tension in Hyderabad and other parts of the region as thousands of people came out on the streets to celebrate the much-awaited victory in five decade-old struggle for Telangana.

While Telangana Rashtra Samiti president K Chandrasekhar Rao broke his 11-day fast after hearing Chidambaram’s statement that the State Government was asked to move a resolution in the Assembly to pave the way for the creation of Telangana, thousands of students in Osmania University in Hyderabad and Kakatiya University in Warangal sang and danced to mark their celebration. The students of the Joint Action Committee, which had organised its agitation separate from the TRS movement, were happy with the turn of the events but were not willing to celebrate victory as the goal was yet to be achieved.

The biggest gathering of the revelers was seen at the Nizam’s Institute of Medical Sciences where thousands of supporters of KCR celebrated the occasion by bursting crackers, beating drums and shouting slogans hailing KCR as the “Tiger of Telangana” movement.

Despite the decrease in the tension and Osmania University students cancelling their plans of storming the State Assembly on Thursday, the strict security arrangements involving 18,000 police and paramilitary personnel remained in place. A curfew-like situation prevailed in almost half of the city as all the major roads were closed for traffic. As a measure of precaution, the Osmania University campus was also cut off from the city and five big flyovers in different parts of the city were also closed from the traffic.

The massive traffic restrictions and diversion of vehicles caused a lot of hardships to the people. But this could not stop the JAC and other organisations from taking out a procession from Baghlingampally to

Osmania University to pay respect to the martyrs of the Telangana movement. The ABVP too organised a victory rally on the campus.

The JAC has warned that they will continue to mount pressure on the Government and intensify their agitation if the resolution was not moved in the State Assembly with in four days.

People also celebrated the occasion in other nine districts of Telangana region and took out processions and held meetings.

Meanwhile, K Chandrasekhar Rao, who has become very weak and exhausted after 11 days of fasting, made telephone calls to the Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, UPA chairperson Sonia Gandhi, leader of opposition LK Advani and Rashtrya Lok Dal president Ajit Singh for their support to the cause of Telangana.

Though the Central Government has invited KCR for talks in New Delhi, the doctors have said that he will be able to travel only after a week of rest and treatment.

In his first reaction to the announcement of Chidambaram, KCR said last night, “The victory is the result of five and a half decade long struggle of the poor people of Telangana,” he said in his first reaction after breaking the fast with a glass of lemon juice offered by Prof Jaishankar, the ideologue of Telangana movement.

“The message is clear that voice of the people has a respect in Indian democracy,” he said. His voice choked and he broke down as he remembered more than 26 students and youth and party workers who committed suicide and laid down their lives during the struggle for Telangana during last 11 days.

“It was an unbearable loss for me. They are like my family members. We will definitely stand by these families for ever.”

KCR said, “I also promise to the employees of Telangana and the students that they will be taken care of for all the sacrifices their made in this struggle. I am grateful to all the intellectuals and other people form different sections of society who supported this cause”.

If the state doesnt come about the families of those 26 might turn on him.

I heard from a BR member now in Hyd that KCR family origin is from Srikakulam Dt. Dont know how true it is.

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » 11 Dec 2009 01:59

SaiK wrote:is there a data on telangana's economic, political, demography, etc. compared with AP as a whole?

Education

Elementary education is recognized as one of the fundamental human rights. And yet this human right has been denied to the people of Telangana: the region has the lowest literacy rate and minimal educational infrastructure in the state.

Andhra Pradesh, with a literacy rate of 44.09 percent ranks among the least literate state. It ranks 26th in the country out of 31 states and Union Territories. It is the most backward in the entire south. As many as eight districts of Telangana out of 10 (including Hyderabad) figure among the most backward educationally. Mahbubnagar has the least literacy rate, both among males(40.8 per cent) and females(18 percent). The entire Telangana, except Hyderabad city and Ranga Reddy Urban areas which are Hyderabad, has lagged behind educationally. Not a single mandal of Telangana has the national literacy rate of 52.19 percent. Coastal Andhra districts account for 33 out of 45 rural mandals which exceeds the national literacy rate (the rest being Rayalaseema). The mandals with lowest literacy rate of less than 20 percent are more in Telangana, as a consequence: 35 such mandals are in Telangana, almost three times those in Coastal Andhra (14). There are only two such mandals in Rayalaseema. District-wise, Adilabad has most of these mandals (14), followed by Mahbubnagar (9), Medak (6), Khammam (3) and Nizamabad, Karimnagar and Nalgonda (one each).

Although Telangana accounts for half of the state's population, less than 25 percent of educational institutions from primary to college level are situated in the region. Only 15 percent of aided junior colleges are in Telangana while it has only two medical colleges. As many as six medical colleges are in the other areas. The region is discriminated in the field of technical education also. Only 26 out of the 72 government ITIs, 20 of the 91 polytechnic colleges are in Telangana. The gross injustice to Telangana can be seen from expenditure on education. Of the total expenditure of Rs 1150.2 crore the state has incurred on the aided degree colleges since 1956, coastal Andhra cornered the loin's share of 73.71 percent while Telangana got a paltry 10.43 percent. The corresponding share of the two regions in the expenditure incurred on the aided junior colleges is 62.71 percent and 9.45 percent, respectively. In this kind of lopsidedness, how can literacy spread? This is no accident; it cannot be especially since it has continued since 1956, and it pervades all type of education - school, college, professional and technical. This discrimination is deliberate, conscious and planned given its spread, the extent, and all-pervasiveness, it cannot be anything but a conspiracy against the people of Telangana.

Irrigation

Of the three regions of the state, Telangana has the largest area, with 11,48,000 sq km, followed by coastal Andhra with 9,28,000 sq km. The cultivable area is estimated at 64,02,358 hectares in Telangana and 46,33,304 hectares in the Coastal Andhra. But 13,12,795 hectares or 28.33 percent of the cultivable land in the Coastal Andhra is being irrigated under canal irrigation system, whereas 2,66,964 hectares or 4.17 percent of the cultivable land in Telangana is receiving canal waters. The entitlement of Telangana of waters of Krishna and Godavari rivers is 975 tmc. ft. In 1974, 800 tmc.ft water was allotted to AP by the Bachawat Award to Andhra Pradesh. A re-distribution of this in 1981 saw coastal Andhra getting the major share with 377.07 tmc, Telangana 266.783 tmc and Rayalaseema 123 tmc. Telangana's share in Godavari waters is 709 tmc.ft of the state's total allotment of 1,495 tmc.ft. Out of its total share 1153.50 tmc (from all sources) barely 380 tmc is used for irrigation.

The discrimination against Telangana stands out glaringly in the amounts spent by the state on irrigation. The amount spent in Telangana so far is Rs. 4005 crores while that spent in Coastal Andhra is Rs. 19,693.50 crores, nearly five times higher. In terms of percentage, while Telangana got a mere 15.5 percent, coastal Andhra got 76 percent. If the principle of expenditure proportionate to cultivable area were to be followed (as it should be), Telangana, with 44.28 percent cultivable area should have got an equivalent amount and coastal Andhra 32.04 percent. Instead, coastal Andhra got more than twice its share.

Since 1956 to date, the additional irrigation potential created in Telangana is only 5 percent since none of the planned irrigation projects have been completed although they were planned 30-40 years ago. The 12 projects sanctioned for Telangana at an estimated cost Rs. 5,449.53 crore to provide for 10.08 lakh hectares have been progressing at snail's pace for decades.

The Sriram Sagar Project (SRSP) was started 1n 1963 and is yet to be completed. Even the first phase of the project was not completed after 33 years. The rehabilitation of the displaced people under this project is still pending. The Bheema project, which is older than Andhra Pradesh has remained on paper. Jurala, Icchampally too have languished. While experts and decision makers debate interminably and have still not decided on Srisailam Left Bank Canal (which is to irrigate about 3 lakhs hectares in Telangana), to supply water either through lift or tunnel. The Srisailam Right Bank Canal feeding the coastal districts progresses steadily. Even the 33 medium projects proposed in Telangana which could utilize 80 to 100 tmc of water at a cost Rs 500 crore have been kept pending. Compare this delay with alacrity attending on the Telugu Ganga project: it got funds allocated consistently year after year, within 12 years of its grounding, the project is supplying water to Chennai.

Even budgetary allocation are not fully spent on projects benefiting Telangana. For the Bheema lift irrigation scheme, the budgetary allocation was nine crore rupees in 1996-97, which was pruned to Rs 10 lakhs. Subsequently, only six lakh rupees were spent. On the SRSP, only six crore rupees were spent during 1996-97 against an allocation of Rs 25 crores. In 33 years only Rs 978 crores had been spent on SRSP. And yet Rs 1075 crores were spent on Telugu Ganga in 12 years.

Callous indifference and neglect of maintenance of tanks in Telangana has reduced the area under tank irrigation by half, an unprecedented occurrence. In 1956-57, 4,47 lakh hectares were under tank irrigation which has come down to 2.26 lakh hectares. This increasingly made Telangana farmers resort to exploiting groundwater which is suicidal for a semi-arid region. This dependence on pumpsets saw a great tragedy befall Telangana farmers early this year: as power supply was erratic, irregular and of low quality (low voltage), they incurred huge losses as other region suffered as much due to power scarcity as Telangana.

Power Situation

As irrigation projects for Telangana got bogged down in delays, cost-overruns, controversies, power generation projects too suffered. The Srisailam Left bank canal is one such project. Only 1543 mw of power is generated in this region whereas the generating capacity of the other two regions is 7477 mw. All power situations with the exception Ramagundam and Kothagudem are located outside Telangana, although Telangana accounts for a major share of power consumption and more than three-fourths of catchment area of Krishna and Godavari rivers is in Telangana. That the needs of Telangana are at the bottom of priorities of the government is evident from the fact as many as two lakh applications for new power connection is pending with the government. Yet, there is no plan to increase the power generating capacity in Telangana even as two lakh people wait in vain for a power connection.

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ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Dec 2009 02:15

A retired Paki maj gen was quoted in the Maratha thread that, North India was dhimmified from ~1200 to 1680 (establishment of Shivaji's kingdom) about 700 hundred years. And this led to a massive lack of self confidence.
Telangana was under dhimmi rule from fall of Kakatiyas(1340) to the "Police Action" Operation Polo (1948) ~ 600 years.

The stats quoted above reflect this issue. One cant get rid of so many centuries of suppression which shows up in education, wealth and othe social indicators.

Parts of Andhra got out by being ceded to the EIC and became part of Madras Presidency.

How much did Telangana (minus Hyd) contribute to state revenue?

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 11 Dec 2009 02:21

On Hyderabad -

Rayalaseema – Many Rayalaseema families moved to Hyderabad & Bangalore to escape factionism. In the process they accumulated lot of wealth by doing land settlements. The RE boom made many of these people Rupee billionaires. A separate Telangana state will have a devastating effect on the net wealth in the short term, and will lock those investments for a good period of time.

Coastal Andhra – Many Andhra families invested heavily in RE construction sector. Many Andhra people, especially the Kamma and Kshatriya families has significant amounts of investments in terms of cash lending and RE holdings.

In sum a separate Telangana state will lock at least Rs 50,000 crores of wealth from these two regions. My simple calculation is this. There are nearly 2 Lakh Apts are under different stages of construction and they are worth ~Rs 50,000 crores at 25L rate and the non-Telangana wealth is involved in this in one form or other. Add all the commercial RE and industrial investments that came from rest of the state to Hyderabad.

This is the minimum investment that went into Hyderabad city from Rayalaseema + Andhra Pradesh. Imagine the opportunity costs.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 11 Dec 2009 02:33

Of the 158 Congress MLAs, 51 are from Telangana region and 107 from coastal Andhra and Rayalaseema

We need to know how many of these 51 Telangana INC MLAs belong to YSJ faction. That is the influence YSJ lost with this move.

KarthikSan · Post by **KarthikSan** » 11 Dec 2009 02:35

ramana wrote:Is it possible for DMK and AIDMK to merge in post MK and JJ scenario?

Yes, it is possible provided someone from the extended Karunanidhi-Maran family consolidates power and still has enough money to buy off ADMK functionaries whose finances have been run into the ground by the stupid politics of Amma and her "Sister"!!! I expect Azhagiri would be completely marginalized after MK. Stalin has the muscle to match Azhagiri and the Marans have the money/media power to buy entire TN if need be and they are on the same team. Kanimozhi played her cards right by not antagonizing the Maran-Stalin group during their little family tiff a couple of years ago. Azhagiri's muscle in the South can be easily bought off by the money these guys have. He wants to get back to TN because Delhi's babus and netas don't give a crap about him and he is slowly losing ground in his own fiefdom by staying away. MK is a master politician and knows who will carry on his legacy (ain't that there is any, just corruption and thuggery). I always think of Don Corleone trying to make his family legal before his death and his younger son who keeps trying. This family has reached that stage but now they need to survive there. Things will get bloody soon! Oh and the 3 employees of Dinakaran were killed by nobody. They just mysteriously died by burning themselves!!!

Added later: This scenario is possible only IF Azhagiri choses to challenge status quo. He may realize his weaker hand and choose to make a compromise where he gets keep his fiefdom for the support he provides to his younger brother. I also think their mother Dayalu Ammal will play a major role in maintaining/sharing power ala Mrs. Ambani

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 11 Dec 2009 03:00

ramana wrote:Is it possible for DMK and AIDMK to merge in post MK and JJ scenario?

A big thing that I expect is the rise of Muslim Identity among tamilian muslims. MK is one of the few remaining guys who had some association with the Dravidian Movement. He had pretty good control over different factions within DMK; with him gone it because easier for the factions to fight. These could cause them to pander to their base even more and seek newer bases. The DK goons or ideologues kept the Dravidian Identity at the forefront. It is often accused they did this at the cost of Hinduism. But an equally important aspect is that the Muslim Identity was kept in check. It did its little bit to the integration.

Now with the check gone, it is a different ball game. If nefarious forces fan to wind any spark; then we could see some radicalization of tamilian muslims.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Dec 2009 03:12

Looks like we are in the season of fracturing States and undo the efforts of the freedom struggle centralizers like Patel etc. After every major consolidation Indians cant get along and demand break-up of territory and get external help.

We are ~ 50 to 60 years after last major consolidation.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 11 Dec 2009 03:27

Regarding the current issues in punjab.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/polic ... on/547556/

There are three "Babas" who get support from various political parties in Punjab (Congress, Akalis, BJP).

1. Baba Gurmit Ram Rahim... (he goes around converting hindus/sikhs to his faith but won't touch muslims, and he adopts his techniques of conversion from Sikh gurus and thus controversial just like Nirankari baba that started the khalistan movement in 1978). He currently supports Congress though Akalis are also trying to woo him (as he has over 1 crore followers in punjab, haryana, himachal).

2. Bhaniara wala Baba (he argues that a living guru is a must and thus orders his people to burn the copies of Guru Granth sahib, this has been going on from last 5-10 years). Many copies of Sri Guru Granth Sahib has been burnt by his followers (especially in Ropar district). - Don't know who supports him. He won't touch muslims just sikhs.

3. Baba Ashutosh. He again criticizes sikhs and calls names to Sri Guru Granth Sahib and thus his rift with the Panthic organizations. He is supported by BJP.

Now these political parties will pick up a fight with 2 crore sikhs (by attacking the religious identity) but won't attack muslims (15 crores) as they are scared of them.

There is only one Sikh Guru as per Sikhism, and that is Sri Guru Granth Sahib., as Guru Gobind Singh says that if you want to meet your guru then see Guru Granth Sahib and open up a random page to get advice from your guru.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 11 Dec 2009 03:31

ramana wrote:Looks like we are in the season of fracturing States and undo the efforts of the freedom struggle centralizers like Patel etc. After every major consolidation Indians cant get along and demand break-up of territory and get external help.

We are ~ 50 to 60 years after last major consolidation.

This is what worries me the most Ramana-ji.

Somehow I am not convinced with the pressure-valve logic as it is escapist in nature, allowing the national leadership to justify its non-nationalistic strategies.

These small states and the resulting competition among states will open the gates for external manipulation and the history will repeat if not checked against.

It is the sad result of our national education system, where the post-1960 generations do not know impact of British colonialism that entered India in the guise of commerce and mercantilism.

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 11 Dec 2009 03:31

Is Jagan behind MLA resignations drama?

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Andhra Pradesh IT minister K Venkat Reddy set the cat among pigeons when he said that some ministers were encouraging the resignations. "We don't know what their motive is but it is unfortunate," he said.

Legislators from Rayalaseema began the resignation in protest against the Congress high command's move to set up Telangana. Most of those offering to quit are known loyalists of late CM YS Rajasekhara Reddy, and were at the forefront to install his son, YS Jaganmohan Reddy, as his successor. Their move was in vain after the Congress high command backed Rosaiah.
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