Re: Wiki Leaks on Af-Pak
Posted: 30 Jul 2010 11:35
Can someone, who is familiar with the contents of the WikiLeaks exposé, claim, that the leaked documents confirm McCrystal's take on the Afghan War?
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TF Bayonet reported a grenade attack in Kandahar. At 1522Z, TF Gun Devil reported a vehicle occupied by unknown individuals drove along the Indian Embassy compound wall, and one of the passengers threw a grenade over the wall. The sentries took cover. However, the grenade failed to detonate. The unit sent its quick reaction force (QRF) and an explosive ordnance disposal (EOD) team responded to the site. The grenade was secured by the Afghan National Police (ANP) until the patrol arrived on site. There were no injuries or damages reported.
ANP reported a grenade attack IVO Kandahar. At 1545Z, TF Gun Devil reported they received a report from the ANP of a grenade was thrown and detonated at the Indian Consulate. ANP conducted an onsite investigation and no injuries or damages where reported.
Naren, is this html dump the same at the largest CSV file of 15 MB?naren wrote:I downloaded the whole HTML dump, extracted to my HD (~3.5Gb) and indexed using the windows index. I'm able to search for specific key words. I'll keep posting interesting things as I come across.
A SVBIED detonated while trying to enter the Indian Embassy front gate. BDA 1x INS Killed, 12x LN Killed, 4x LN Wounded. NFI att
At 0710Z, RC Capital reported:
BDA: 29x LN Killed, 1x INS Killed, 112x LN Wounded, several buildings damaged. NFI, att.
At 1230Z, RC Capital reported:
BDA: 42x LN Killed, 1x INS Killed, 147x LN Wounded, several buildings damaged. NFI, att.
ISAF# 07-308
06 1500Z FEB 08: T25 reported a red 4xdr Honda sedan w/4xPAX were at the Water Plant taking pictures of BAF. At 1530 MRF and ANP were at the Water Plant, and the ANP are detaining the individuals ATT. At 1643Z the ANP arrested 4 Indian male employees of the water plant who were taking the pictures, confiscated 4xcameras and 1xunregistered AK-47. In addition, the ANP have detained 23 Indian/Philippine employees and are checking their passports ATT. NFI
I haven't scanned the leaked documents, but get the general gist that they expose the Pakis for what they are, from just the plain everyday litany of facts, no brains needed. IOW, even Foggy Bottom Pakis can't deny the sheer volume and precision of these reports.Can someone, who is familiar with the contents of the WikiLeaks exposé, claim, that the leaked documents confirm McCrystal's take on the Afghan War?
naren wrote:I downloaded this and extracted to my HD. Its about 3.5Gb. Do we have space to host this ?
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In all the furor of the leaked documents posted on the leftist anti-war website Wikileaks, there is some information now in the public domain that actually might do some good. Finally, we are able to see documentary evidence that the United States actually knows, or at least believes, that the Pakistanis may not be part of the solution in Afghanistan, but are in reality a major part of the problem, and that the Iranians are supporting the Taliban in their operations against American forces. While many of us have suspected this all along, it is good to see it in real government documents.
Pakistan
America's relationship with Pakistan has had its ups and downs over the years, much of influenced by how much they could do for us in furthering our national interests. That is, after all, what foreign policy is all about. During the Soviet invasion and occupation of Afghanistan, Pakistan's intelligence service, the Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate (ISI) was the conduit for virtually all American weapons and money to the Aghfan mujahidin.
Any one who knows Pakistan or the Pakistanis realizes that not all of the money nor weapons reached their intended recipients. The CIA officers responsible for the operation knew that there was going to be a certain amount of corruption, but that it was the price of doing business - there was no viable alternative to dealing with the ISI. The more important mission was getting weapons to the fighters in Afghanistan.
The weapons provided to the mujahidin included, as glamorized in the movie Charlie Wilson's War (see my comments on Charlie and "his" war), the FIM-92 Stinger shoulder-launched heat-seeking air defense missile system, to this day arguably the finest shoulder-fired system in existence.
As feared by many officers at the Pentagon when Representative Wilson basically forced the U.S. Army to provide Stingers to the ISI for the mujahidin, some of the missiles ended up in the hands of people we did not want to have them. In September 1987, while the CIA was still sending Stingers to the ISI, the U.S. Navy found Stingers on board the Iranian mine-laying ship Iran Ajr in the Persian Gulf. The serial numbers indicated that they had been shipped to the ISI for delivery to the mujahidin. A gift to the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps from our "allies."
After the Soviets were driven out of Afghanistan in 1988, our assistance to the mujahidin stopped almost overnight. The mujahidin were disappointed that we did not continue our support, but our operation in Afghanistan were not about them, it was about the Soviets. Once the Soviets left, our foreign policy objective was achieved and we turned to other matters.
No longer needing the cooperation of the Pakistanis, the U.S. Congress began scrutinizing Pakistan's nascent nuclear weapons and missile programs. In 1990, once it was assessed that Pakistan was in fact developing a nuclear weapon, the United States halted delivery of additional F-16 fighter aircraft (that had already been paid for) under the terms of the Pressler Amendment. Relations between Islamabad and Washington chilled.
In the early 1990's, the ISI was involved in the creation of the fundamentalist Taliban - its charter members were drawn from the millions of Afghan refugees in northern Pakistan. When the Taliban took over in Afghanistan, they were supported by the ISI, and diplomatically recognized by Pakistan. There is more to the relationship between the ISI and Taliban than than Pakistani national interest.
As with many countries in the Middle East and South Asia, ethnic and tribal loyalties trump almost everything else. Many of the ISI are ethnic Pushtuns, as are most of the Taliban. It is the Pushtun tribesmen in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (especially in North and South Waziristan, the semi-autonomous regions along the Afghanistan border) that have extended protection to al-Qa'idah leaders Usmah bin Ladin and Ayman al-Zawahiri, and Afghan Taliban leader Mullah Omar. There is also a large Pushtun contingent in the Pakistani armed forces.
The thought that the ISI and many in the Pakistani army are going to be fully supportive of the Pakistani government's efforts to move against their fellow tribesman in the Waziristans is wishful thinking. In fact, the exact opposite seems to be the case - the ISI, or at least some officers in the ISI, along with some Pakistani army officers are actively supporting the Taliban in their operations against American and coalition forces.
Regardless of what Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs would have you believe - and the documents tend to make him out as less than truthful - the Pakistanis are not serious about helping us eradicate an organization that they created. To think otherwise defies logic.
Iran
The Iranians likewise are much more involved in supporting the Taliban in its operations against American and coalition forces than the administration would have us believe. The Iranians, as they did with the Iraqi Shi'a militias such as the jaysh al-mahdi (JAM) of Muqtada al-Sadr, have been providing weapons and other support to the Taliban. Although the Taliban and the Iranians have many ideological differences, their mutual hatred of the United States supersedes any reluctance to cooperate with each other.
There are also the much-touted Obama outreach efforts to Iran - all of which have been rebuffed by the Iranians and have been a dismal failure. Could a desire to not offend the Ahmadinejad regime have played into the downplaying of Iran's support for the Taliban? I have my suspicions.
Last words
Julian Assange, the self-righteous arrogant co-founder of Wikileaks is joined by Amnesty International in its condemnation of American involvement in Afghanistan and what they believe is a high level of civilian casualties. Why don't they spend as much time condemning the Taliban and its murderous activities? They act like the Taliban is a legitimate entity rather than a bunch of murdering jihadist fanatics.
Finally, if U.S. Army intelligence analyst Specialist Bradley Manning turns out to be the source of the leaked documents, I urge the Secretary of Defense to pursue treason charges and seek the death penalty. Release of these classified documents when American troops are involved in combat operations rises to that level - if he did it, he deserves to die.
-080430Z, PRT NANGARHAR, MEETING WITH GOVERNOR SHERZAI--->
--->SUBJECT: Meeting with Governor Sherzai 1. SUMMARY. PRT Commander and PRT DOS Rep met with Gov. Sherzai today at the Govs Palace. 2. TOPICS OF DISCUSSION. Attacks on Indian Consulate: DOS Rep expressed concern that attacks on Indian Consulate may be a deterrent to private sector investment. Gov Sherzai responded that after the first attack additional ANP forces were assigned to guard the Consulate. This move proved ineffective. Sherzai believes that Pakistani ISI backed individuals may be conducting the attacks from a hotel/wedding hall across the street from the Consulate. HE also stated that he thinks the Consulate should be relocated because the current location is too difficult to secure. DOS Rep replied that this should be discussed with the Indian Consul General. Sherzai said that we will discuss again after Eid. Until then he will order increased security at the Consulate. At the end of the meeting, Dep Gov Alizai, ANP Chief Gafar and PCC Chairman Talawar joined the group. More detailed discussion of the Indian Consulate attacks ensued. The ANP is investigating and is pursuing two theories: 1) that former security guards, who happen to be Pashaii, are initiating the attacks in retaliation for being fired, or 2) that the hotel owner from across the street is trying to force the Consulate to move so he can occupy the land and use it as a parking area for his establishment. Poppy: Gov Sherzai again confidently assured the PRT there will be no poppy cultivated in Nangarhar. Planting season is now over, he said. Sherzai said the ANP has discovered some poppy, but he claimed only small amounts that his ANSF have been able to eradicate. He said there will be another round of eradication in about 20 days in small, remote areas where there may be some poppy. He said he wants to eradicate while the plants are young instead of waiting for them to flower. He did express some concern that farmers have mingled poppy with wheat in the fields, but said he is determined to be tough on them. DOSrep informed Gov Sherzai that CN officials from the Embassy plan to visit him as soon as possible after Eid. Sherzai is scheduled to travel to Dubai tomorrow, but said he would welcome the visit after he returns. Canals: PRT CDR informed Sherzai that he received initial approval to go ahead with a $3 million repair project on the siphons for the JBAD Grand Canal. He also told him that work on the head gates of the Kama Canal will likely begin in the near future. Sherzai was pleased on both counts. Dr. Asef: After PRT CDR informed Gov Sherzai on the status of the Canal project, the Gov reported that he spoke with the Minister of Agriculture who agreed to replace Dr. Asef as Director of Canals after Eid. If Gov Sherzai holds true to form, Asef will be shifted to another position here in Nangarhar rather than fired. Sherzai did not share his plan as to what would happen with Asef. Gov Sherzai said that he had proposed a replacement who is "an educated man." He did not disclose the name. Mujahadin Shura: Discussed the recently convened Mujahidin Shura. Parliamentarian Hazarat Ali was chosen as the head of the shura; former Jalalabad Mayor Gafar Pacha was selected as shura secretary/spokesman. Gov Sherzai said he is not involved with the shura, but was told by those in attendance that the initial discussions were supportive of the GIRoA and the Constitution. However, he said Hazarat Ali, accompanied by Pacha and PC member Tahir Omar, held a press conference yesterday that was highly critical of the current government. He accused them of being allied with "the Northern Alliance." 3. Point of Contact for this memorandum is Lt Col Phillips at DSN 481-7342.--->
Exactly the thoughts of KPS Gill:Philip wrote:
If the US/West were to attack Paki GHQ with their drones and eliminate the scum in uniform,75% of Islamist terror worldwide would cease immediately! The headless chickens could then be picked off at will,once the Medusa like head is lopped off from is body.
Terrorists cannot survive without state sponsorship. ISI has 40K staff who are assured monthly salary, houses, servants, offices, chauffered cars. They have the time, inclination to do worldwide terror. Only when ISI is disbanded will terrorism stop.In all this, there is a studied neglect of the realities of the ground, particularly of the fact that Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) -- as an organ of the country's military and political establishment -- has been, and remains, the principal source of the impetus, the infrastructure and the organisational networks of Islamist terrorism across the world. Historically, it is now common knowledge, it was the ISI that created virtually the entire structure of Islamist terrorist groupings behind the global jihad, which has now proliferated in new areas through the agency of various proxies. This includes Al Qaeda, and the entire spectrum of affiliates that continues to operate, with varying degrees of freedom, from Pakistani soil more than six-and-a-half years after 9/11.
This morning, Pathfinder 6 and 2 met with the Tagab District NDS Chief. The below information was provided and discussed.
(U) Key Leader Engagement (210430ZSEP07/ FB Pathfinder, Tagab District, Kapisa Province, Afghanistan).
Country: (U) Afghanistan (AFG).
Subject: Key Leader Engagement with NDS Officer Mohibullah. Mohibullah works directly for GEN Najib.
WARNING: (U) This is an information report, not finally evaluated intelligence. This report is classified S E C R E T RELEASEABLE to USA, GCTF, ISAF and NATO.
(S//REL USA, GCTF, ISAF, NATO) Summary: During a meeting with NDS the following issues were discussed: TB Commander Oji Mullah, recent suicide bomber reporting, and other notes.
1. (S//REL USA, GCTF, ISAF, NATO) TB Commander Oji Mullah
1A. (S//REL USA, GCTF, ISAF, NATO) According to Mohibullah, Oji Mullah is the TB Commander Mohamadullah; the same TB Commander we have known about from Kuti Village in Askin. Mohamadullah apparently goes by the name Oji Mullah to his friends and Al Jazeera.
(S//REL USA, GCTF, ISAF, NATO) Analyst Comments: This would explain why Oji Mullah is a higher up TB Commander. It is unknown why we have not heard this variation of his name until now. Oji Mullah may also just be a pseudonym for Mohamadullah as well.
2. (S//REL USA, GCTF, ISAF, NATO) Recent Suicide Bomber Reporting.
2A. (S//REL USA, GCTF, ISAF, NATO) Mohibullah stated that two suicide bombers are in the area targeting CFs. He claims that the bombers are coming to Tagab posing as traders or women from Surowbi. They are traveling here under orders from Zakhel and staying with a man named Hajji Kandagha in She Padar 42S WD 612 538. The recent bombers have also brought RC mines and bombs with them. Kandagha then might send the explosives to his brother Bakhtawar in Kabul where he stores them. Bakhtawar has a shop in Kabul where he makes passports and visas for the TB which he sends to India and are then disseminated.
(S//REL USA, GCTF, ISAF, NATO) Analyst Comments: By traders Mohibullah is talking about the Kuchis that travel around. This is not a new tactic by OMFs but it is something to remain cognizant of. If this is going to be a major way of moving OMFs near CF bases new standoff measures may need to be looked at.
3. (S//REL USA, GCTF, ISAF, NATO) Other Notes
3A. (S//REL USA, GCTF, ISAF, NATO) Mohibullah mentioned She Padar multiple times throughout the conversation. He mentioned that is where Sarfraz, Salim, and Baryal stay; just to name a few commanders. This doesnt seem surprising given the fact that nobody really goes down there. He also mentioned that the people of Seh Padar dont like the TB but are forced to support them or else they will be killed.
(U) This Pathfinder Key Leader Engagement has been passed to CJTF-82 at Bagram Airfield, Afghanistan.
(U) Please direct release requests, questions, or comments to Pathfinder S2 at SVOIP 331-9101
well well well. Now we know what you gossip behind closed doors.(C) BOUCHER, KASURI AND KHAN TALK KEY ISSUES FROM F-16S TO STRATEGIC DIALOGUE: (Source: AMEMBASSY ISLAMABAD 03658, 22 Aug 07)
During discussions August 15 with Assistant Secretary for South and Central Asian Affairs Richard Boucher, Foreign Minister Kasuri expressed concern over "irresponsible" US statements about Pakistan, the recent National Intelligence Estimate, Pakistan-related provisions of H.R. 1, restrictions on the upgrade of F-16 aircraft, and the US-India Nuclear Agreement. Boucher urged Kasuri to refer to authoritative policy statements by the President and Secretary Rice, said the report requirements in H.R. 1 presented an opportunity to explain actions Pakistan is taking in the war on terror, and asserted that Pakistan signed the F-16 Memorandum of Understanding comprehending its terms. He assured Kasuri that the civilian nuclear cooperation agreement with India included controls on the use of reprocessed fuel and that ultimately the US retained the right of return.
Classification: CONFIDENTIAL / NONE
INFORMATION: The PRT attended a shura in Azra with the district governor and the provincial deputy governor. Governor Hashimi, per his usual pattern, was unable to attend. The ISAF paper was a popular attraction and the IO was nearly mobbed while passing it out (Eventually the stack given to the ANP to pass out). Theres no local radio coverage in Azra, as we expected. Theyre able to receive AM broadcasts from large stations in India and beyond, but nothing local (or Pakistani).![]()
Nuristan Prov: 04 Jun07. Intelligence Department is reporting that theISI Department of Pakistan has ordered Taliban and other Islamic party members to kidnap foreign citizens from within Afghanistan. They are especially to kidnap India nationals. Once they have been kidnapped, the Taliban or Islamic group is to take pictures or video and then kill the hostages. NFI
Miscreants (ISI, in this case) are giving money and providing quality of life improvements to Afridi tribal elders to amplify anti-IRoA propaganda and weaken support of the central government of Afghanistan; resulting in staged protests and broadcasts over Spinghar Radio
Is there any info on wikileaks to reach that conclusion?ramana wrote:SanjayM, Pakis will try to Pakileak that India is the sponsor of Pakiban.
Contrary to common belief, the American export of terrorism or terrorists is not a recent
phenomenon, nor has it been associated only with Islamic radicals or people of Middle
Eastern, African or South Asian ethnic origin. This dynamic belies the American belief that
our free, open and integrated multicultural society lessens the allure of radicalism and
terrorism for US citizens.
• Late last year five young Muslim American men traveled from northern Virginia to
Pakistan allegedly to join the Pakistani Taliban and to engage in jihad. Their relatives
contacted the FBI after they disappeared without telling anyone, and then Pakistani
authorities arrested them as they allegedly attempted to gain access to al-Qa’ida
training facilities.
• In November 2008, Pakistani-American David Headley conducted surveillance in
support of the Lashkar-i-Tayyiba (LT) attack in Mumbai, India that killed more than
160 people. LT induced him to change his name from Daood Gilani to David Headley
to facilitate his movement between the US, Pakistan, and India.
No. I accessed it an hour ago. Probably overloaded server.abhischekcc wrote:Has wikileaks been taken down? I cannot open it in India.