Bharat Rakshak

As for UP things are getting real tricky now for all parties. 2020 might be a realistic scenario but then it could happen faster.People may not be much worried either way.

^^^
It is difficult to assess about 2020 as did anyone thought in 2009 December that the current state of 2011 is possible. Most of us thought it is over for AP as a state even if there is some resistance. But see where it is now and they even had a commission appointed in between.

There are more popular things in the past. Ghurkaland, Bodoland agitations are also for seperate state. In fact, I haven't see a more popular one than Bodoland where they used to do 1001 hour, 556 hour bundhs. The train that used to go to Silchar from Chennai sometimes used to reach after three or four days. One of my friends who used to study at REC Silchar, used to pack a lot of food but he said this all for consumption after Howrah.

The Kashmir uprising in the first 100 days of V.P.Singh government was also very popular. All through 80s and 90s we have several popular movements and compared to them what we have now are all minuscule.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/rahu ... 61127.html
Rahul Gandu says most of the beggars come from UP.

Does this DIE-nasty Kamina think that by calling UP people as beggars repeatedly fetch him votes? May be that is the new strategy of the CON DIE-nasty.

I was wondering what muhurt yuvraj was born and found this for 19th June 1970

19th June 1970 : The conservative party led by Edward Heath wins in the general election. The win was considered unusual because all the opinion polls held in the few days prior to the General Election had predicted an easy win for the labour party led by Harold Wilson.

that is how Electoral Vote Manipulator (EVM) was born!

By Mupalla
SBajwa wrote:
How are the Rajya Sabha seats allocated? If there are more states then does the number of Rajya Sabha seats go up?


It is proportional to population. So if the states divide, the RS seats will be distributed proportionally too. No change to total numbers.

I thought that the Rajya Sabha membership is limited to 250 seats and is equally divided among all states so if number of states go up then there are some states who will loose., 12 seats are appointed by the president while 238 are equally shared by each of current 28 states and 7 union territories.

Only Lok sabha are represented by the population and have been frozen to the year 1971 so as to not reward the states that have exponentially grown in population.

vijayk wrote:Does this DIE-nasty al havardi -failed think that by calling UP people as beggars repeatedly fetch him votes? May be that is the new strategy of the CON DIE-nasty.

this is what you get when you hire the services of IIM/MBA suit-boot types for election management. Maya bhenji must be rolling laughing she is going to win this bigger than last time.

Guru's, If am not wrong apart from sp, no other party has openly opposed the division. With SP govt in the dock for its lack of administration, maybe even they may come around. But anyways since UP assembly has already approved the division, even this may not a roadblock.

But unlike the division into 4 parts proposed by mayawati govt then, maybe awadh and western UP may need to be combined, so as to keep the peacefuls in check in west UP, and see to that they do not rise "peacefully". But what are the chances that the current NDA govt will take this (i.e. division of UP). Maybe if at all any talk on division of UP may not be raised untill MH assembly elections are over.

UP with its HUGEE population has may be reached/breached the threshold of being administered as a single state. Also since division will not evoke strong emotional dis-connect among UPites, maybe its time again for nda to go ahead with its next iteration of splitting UP. But will they do it??

They should do it. UP with 200 million people, 20% pop. growth rate is bigger than most countries and cannot be governed as a single entity.

After Andhra Pradesh division, no more divisions please.
Enough Brown East India Company mentality.

ramana wrote:After Andhra Pradesh division, no more divisions please.

Unlike other states, UP as mentioned is 20+crore population. With each year, it would be more and more difficult to govern(if not impossible). Also it maybe too early for the current NDA govt to even think about this. But maybe you are right when you say division of UP(or any other state) may not be beneficial either to the state or nation in general.

True, no more divisions!!

Why. Division of UP is overdue.
Just because Congress botched Telangana does not mean the next one will be bad.
There were several amicable splits before Telangana and those worked out more or less better for all.

More divisions are coming, states with population above 50 million are far far too unwieldy.

Division of AP is an aberration but that shouldn't be a handicap to divide UP which owing to its large population is a must for better administration. If not into 4, at least UP has to divided into 2-3 states.

Theo_Fidel wrote:Why. Division of UP is overdue.
Just because Congress botched Telangana does not mean the next one will be bad.
There were several amicable splits before Telangana and those worked out more or less better for all.

Telangana split would also have happened amicably had both the affected parties agreed to part ways amicably. How did you reach the conclusion that it is a "botched" division? one of the parties playing the victim card doesn't make it so. In fact T people were playing victim card for the united state. So if it were kept united, then would you say the same? (i.e. non-division is botch by the Congress?).

ramana wrote: Enough Brown East India Company mentality.

I respectfully disagree with that statement. The East India co's "divide and rule" was to take away strategic advantage that comes with size. Size of U.P. (btw it was United Provinces before independence) is its huge disadvantage. There is huge diversity in culture, development, resources, etc. among different regions of UP and so far govt after govt has mismanaged it. Unified UP allows the power center to neglect regional but significant issues and stay in power using caste divide. Having born and brought up in UP I strongly advocate its division to improve administration and delivery of civic services. Based on the anecdotes that I hear from residents of western UP, the creation of Uttarakhand had a huge positive impact on that region. We should not deprive the rest of UP from the same.

James B wrote:Division of AP is an aberration but that shouldn't be a handicap to divide UP which owing to its large population is a must for better administration. If not into 4, at least UP has to divided into 2-3 states.

The problem is that, whichever state gets western UP (districts of Saharanpur, Muzaffarnagar, Meerut, Baghpat)+Rohilkhand is going to have a huge communal problem on its hands. We are going to have a lower Assam 200 miles from Delhi - with Muslims establishing no-go zones (they exist already, but it is less visible thanks to the huge population of UP). If the division of UP is into Bundelkhand, Purvanchal and remaining UP, then, the problem is not only not solved, (this truncated UP will still have about 12 crores population, which is going to be a pain to administer), but will also have 25%+ Muslims.

Even if the division is Rohilkhand+Awadh in one state, and Western UP+Doab in another, both states are going to have a problem, with Awadh state having about 25-30% Muslims (maybe even more -even in Awadh, Kheri, Balrampur, Gonda, etc all have ~30% Muslims), and the other having about 20-25% Muslims. In fact, if Bundelkhand and Purvanchal states are created, the communal divide is going to become stark in the remaining UP state(s), however you divide them. In this atmosphere, I am not even sure that it will be possible to administer the remaining UP states properly.

In a perverse way, it might be good, since it will make the Dilli Billis finally understand what the poor folk of Bongaigaon or Malappuram or Dinajpur are actually suffering, with the communal problem coming to their doorstep.

nageshks wrote:

James B wrote:Division of AP is an aberration but that shouldn't be a handicap to divide UP which owing to its large population is a must for better administration. If not into 4, at least UP has to divided into 2-3 states.

The problem is that, whichever state gets western UP (districts of Saharanpur, Muzaffarnagar, Meerut, Baghpat)+Rohilkhand is going to have a huge communal problem on its hands. We are going to have a lower Assam 200 miles from Delhi - with Muslims establishing no-go zones (they exist already, but it is less visible thanks to the huge population of UP). If the division of UP is into Bundelkhand, Purvanchal and remaining UP, then, the problem is not only not solved, (this truncated UP will still have about 12 crores population, which is going to be a pain to administer), but will also have 25%+ Muslims.

Even if the division is Rohilkhand+Awadh in one state, and Western UP+Doab in another, both states are going to have a problem, with Awadh state having about 25-30% Muslims (maybe even more -even in Awadh, Kheri, Balrampur, Gonda, etc all have ~30% Muslims), and the other having about 20-25% Muslims. In fact, if Bundelkhand and Purvanchal states are created, the communal divide is going to become stark in the remaining UP state(s), however you divide them. In this atmosphere, I am not even sure that it will be possible to administer the remaining UP states properly.

In a perverse way, it might be good, since it will make the Dilli Billis finally understand what the poor folk of Bongaigaon or Malappuram or Dinajpur are actually suffering, with the communal problem coming to their doorstep.

Nagesh avre,

Yesterday, when news of a new state coming into existence was coming on the office canteen tv i overheard a UP guy saying instead of AP atleast they should have divided UP, as its becoming very difficult to govern with such a large state. And just after that news bit, the next news item was the rape case in UP. Suddenly that UP guy said, see this proves my theory. Police is highly politicized and as well very outdated and also understaffed to handle crime, infact entire admin is not able to serve the people in effective manner were his words.

But yes, if at all if any division of UP state happens it should be ensured that peacefuls do not number more than 25-30% in any of those newly created states(though not sure if it can be achieved as such).

I don't think we should divide a state or not based on one criteria, in this case Muslim pop. The pros are in favor of division rather than the cons. Telengana problem is an exception rather than the rule. Say UP population stabilizes at 300 million. Thats the population of USA which has 50 states. How are you going to govern it as one unit? It is a crazy idea to keep it one unit.

Amit Shah repeatedly mentioned about UP elections being 8 different states, does anyone have which areas are considered to be distinct electorally?

prahaar wrote:Amit Shah repeatedly mentioned about UP elections being 8 different states, does anyone have which areas are considered to be distinct electorally?

Upper Doab, Brajbhoomi, Lower Doab, Rohilkhand, Purvanchal (North and South), Bundelkhand, and Awadh would be my guesses for the 8 different states that Amit Shah mentioned.

Supratik wrote:I don't think we should divide a state or not based on one criteria, in this case Muslim pop. The pros are in favor of division rather than the cons. Telengana problem is an exception rather than the rule. Say UP population stabilizes at 300 million. Thats the population of USA which has 50 states. How are you going to govern it as one unit? It is a crazy idea to keep it one unit.

Maybe, but the demographic dynamics of Rohilkhand and upper doab (western UP) are similar to that of lower Assam - Hindus are losing about 2% of the population share every decade in every district. So creating a 30% Muslim state on the borders of Delhi might not be a great idea. The idea that it can be more easily governed seems dubious to me. This was the area that gave us the Pakistan idea last time over (and at that time, they were ~30% of Upper Doab+Rohilkhand. In 2001, Muslim population share of the upper doab+Rohilkhand region was 39%). Creating a Muslim dominated state there is unwise, not to mention, ungovernable too.

Why are crimes against women not treated as a top level security problem in Strategic Issues Forum?

The problem is that, whichever state gets western UP (districts of Saharanpur, Muzaffarnagar, Meerut, Baghpat)+Rohilkhand is going to have a huge communal problem on its hands. We are going to have a lower Assam 200 miles from Delhi - with Muslims establishing no-go zones (they exist already, but it is less visible thanks to the huge population of UP). If the division of UP is into Bundelkhand, Purvanchal and remaining UP, then, the problem is not only not solved, (this truncated UP will still have about 12 crores population, which is going to be a pain to administer), but will also have 25%+ Muslims.

Even if the division is Rohilkhand+Awadh in one state, and Western UP+Doab in another, both states are going to have a problem, with Awadh state having about 25-30% Muslims (maybe even more -even in Awadh, Kheri, Balrampur, Gonda, etc all have ~30% Muslims), and the other having about 20-25% Muslims. In fact, if Bundelkhand and Purvanchal states are created, the communal divide is going to become stark in the remaining UP state(s), however you divide them. In this atmosphere, I am not even sure that it will be possible to administer the remaining UP states properly.

In a perverse way, it might be good, since it will make the Dilli Billis finally understand what the poor folk of Bongaigaon or Malappuram or Dinajpur are actually suffering, with the communal problem coming to their doorstep

Minor quibble: Bagpat is the only district in Meerut Division which is not dominated by secular people. The hotbed are Saharanpur, Bareli, Rampur, Moradabad and, Amroha. Muzaffarnagar and Meerut have urban areas where secularism sort of rules, the rural areas are, as of now, fine. The rural Areas were where you saw the resistance last year. But this is the primary reason why, despite obvious advantages, people from western UP are not that keen on division.. It will be a state pretty much similar to Kerala in that, it will never have a communal CM.

nageshks wrote: Maybe, but the demographic dynamics of Rohilkhand and upper doab (western UP) are similar to that of lower Assam - Hindus are losing about 2% of the population share every decade in every district. So creating a 30% Muslim state on the borders of Delhi might not be a great idea. The idea that it can be more easily governed seems dubious to me. This was the area that gave us the Pakistan idea last time over (and at that time, they were ~30% of Upper Doab+Rohilkhand. In 2001, Muslim population share of the upper doab+Rohilkhand region was 39%). Creating a Muslim dominated state there is unwise, not to mention, ungovernable too.

The Muslim pocket in UP is to the NW and NE. My data is showing it is between 20-25%. Also the clean sweep of BJP this election shows that UP is not Kerala. What can be done is additional areas can be incorporated from the southern part of the state to keep the population balance. But I still think the state should be divided and heavy Muslim concentration in some parts should not be the key issue in deciding that.

A_Gupta wrote:Why are crimes against women not treated as a top level security problem in Strategic Issues Forum?

A_Gupta, We have the Delhi Gang Rape case follow up thread. We also created the two Twitter handles on @HumanTrafficIND and @Violenceonwomen.

Please have more people follw to spread awareness.

I am thinking of moving the Human trafficking in India thread from Econ & Tech forum which hardly anyone expect the econ interested visit.

The lates trafficking in Kerala shows its a trans-state and a security problem.

Supratik wrote:

nageshks wrote: Maybe, but the demographic dynamics of Rohilkhand and upper doab (western UP) are similar to that of lower Assam - Hindus are losing about 2% of the population share every decade in every district. So creating a 30% Muslim state on the borders of Delhi might not be a great idea. The idea that it can be more easily governed seems dubious to me. This was the area that gave us the Pakistan idea last time over (and at that time, they were ~30% of Upper Doab+Rohilkhand. In 2001, Muslim population share of the upper doab+Rohilkhand region was 39%). Creating a Muslim dominated state there is unwise, not to mention, ungovernable too.

The Muslim pocket in UP is to the NW and NE. My data is showing it is between 20-25%. Also the clean sweep of BJP this election shows that UP is not Kerala. What can be done is additional areas can be incorporated from the southern part of the state to keep the population balance. But I still think the state should be divided and heavy Muslim concentration in some parts should not be the key issue in deciding that.

Okay - I did a basic region wise analysis of UP's Muslim population. I will indicate what it means for the proposed states. My source is the 2001 Census Data.

Here is the basic data.

Upper Doab Total Pop. Muslim Pop. Muslim %
Muzaffarnagar 3543362 1349629 38.089
Saharanpur 2896863 1132919 39.108
Meerut 2997361 975715 32.552
Ghaziabad 3290586 782915 23.793
Bulandshahar  2913122 613660 21.065
Baghpat * 1163991 287871 24.731
Gautam Buddha Naga 1202030 156415 13.013
Total 18007315 5299124 29.43

Rohilkhand
Moradabad 3810983 1735381 45.536
Bijnor 3131619 1306329 41.714
Bareilly 3618589 1226386 33.891
Rampur 1923739 945277 49.137
Budaun 3069426 654797 21.333
Jyotiba Phule Nagar * 1499068 590308 39.378
Shahjahanpur 2547855 455049 17.86
Pilibhit 1645183 390773 23.753
Total 21246462 7304300 34.38

Awadh
Bahraich 2381072 829361 34.831
Lucknow 3647834 748687 20.524
Sitapur 3619661 696126 19.232
Balrampur * 1682350 617675 36.715
Kheri 3207232 612638 19.102
Barabanki 2673581 589197 22.038
Gonda 2765586 532585 19.258
Sultanpur 3214832 524642 16.319
Hardoi 3398306 445419 13.107
Pratapgarh 2731174 374126 13.698
Rae Bareli 2872335 340129 11.842
Ambedkar Nagar * 2026876 332212 16.39
Faizabad 2088928 304434 14.574
Shrawasti * 1176391 301117 25.597
Unnao 2700324 296780 10.991
Total 40186482 7545128 18.78

Lower Doab
Kanpur Nagar 4167999 653881 15.688
Allahabad  4936105 627735 12.717
Fatehpur 2308384 307047 13.301
Farrukhabad 1570408 232599 14.811
Kannauj * 1388923 219104 15.775
Kaushambi * 1293154 174698 13.509
Kanpur Dehat 1563336 145525 9.309
Etawah 1338871 95926 7.165
Mainpuri 1596718 84577 5.297
Auraiya * 1179993 83719 7.095
Total 21343891 2624811 12.30

Purvanchal
Siddharthnagar 2040085 600336 29.427
Azamgarh 3939916 593907 15.074
Varanasi 3138671 497516 15.851
Kushinagar * 2893196 487674 16.856
Jaunpur 3911679 399186 10.205
Mahrajganj 2173878 357822 16.46
Mau 1853997 353003 19.04
Gorakhpur 3769456 344960 9.151
Sant Kabir Nagar * 1420226 341154 24.021
Deoria 2712650 308731 11.381
Basti 2084814 306540 14.703
Ghazipur 3037582 300327 9.887
Ballia 2761620 181553 6.574
Chandauli * 1643251 168281 10.241
Bhadohi 1353705 161962 11.964
Mirzapur 2116042 158204 7.476
Sonbhadra 1463519 79102 5.405
Total 42314287 5640258 13.33

Middle Doab (Braj Bhumi)
Aligarh 2992286 531956 17.778
Agra 3620436 323634 8.939
Etah 2790410 319386 11.446
Firozabad 2052958 260414 12.685
Mathura 2074516 167628 8.08
Hathras 1336031 134851 10.093
Total 14866637 1737869 11.69

Bundelkhand-Baghelkhand
Jalaun  1454452 146317 10.06
Jhansi 1744931 129785 7.438
Banda 1537334 126203 8.209
Hamirpur 1043724 83064 7.958
Mahoba 708447 47335 6.682
Lalitpur 977734 28796 2.945
Chitrakoot 766225 27168 3.546
Total 8232847 588668 7.15

So - if we were to have a Bundelkhand and Purvanchal states carved out of UP, we would have remaining UP having the following statistics
Total Pop. 115650787
Muslim Pop. 24511232
Percentage of Muslims 21.19

Purvanchal and Bundelkhand+Baghelkhand are perfectly feasible states. They will have very governable populations of 4.2 crores and 82 lakhs respectively, and the Muslim population there is manageable.

Now a remaining UP will still have 11.5 crores population, and this is not exactly a very easily governable unit.

Now, for the proposed further proposed states.

Paschim Pradesh (a resolution has been passed by UP Assembly for this state, I think)
Paschim Pradesh 54120414 14341293 26.50
Love this proposal. I would like this state formed - let us see the Dilli Billis cry about secularism, when it comes to their doorstep.

Other options include Upper Doab+Braj Bhumi as one state, and Rohilkhand+Awadh+Lower Doab as another state. This option looks a little more promising. We will have
Braj+Upper Doab 32873952 7036993 21.41
Rohilkhand+Awadh+Lower Doab 82776835 17474239 21.11

The second option is a bit difficult to handle, given that Rohilkhand+Awadh+Lower Doab still has more than 8 crores, but it can be done, I suppose. It will be like Assam of the 1970s, with pockets of heavy Muslim presence, but still manageable on the whole.

To provide context to the statistics that nageshks ji has provided above, the link below shows the region-wise/ district-wise map of UP:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... on_map.gif

And here are the maps of the proposed states:

1. Pashchim Pradesh: http://www.mapsofindia.com/maps/uttarpr ... adesh.html

2. Awadh Pradesh: http://www.mapsofindia.com/maps/uttarpr ... adesh.html

3. Bundelkhand: http://www.mapsofindia.com/maps/uttarpr ... khand.html

4. Purvanchal: http://www.mapsofindia.com/maps/uttarpr ... nchal.html

Cheers!

Is some tiny little steps are being put forward in this regard???

First this.
https://twitter.com/sardesairajdeep/sta ... 9592464384

@sardesairajdeep:: The state that really needs to be split urgently is UP: will anyone do it?

Then these articles in two msm newspapers.
1)Uttar Pradesh bifurcation murmurs heard as Akhilesh Yadav fails to control crime - Times group
Some excerpts

** The idea of dividing UP into smaller states has gained currency following the reports of several heinous crimes from the state in recent times. According to top sources in BJP and the government, the idea of opening a debate on whether or not a large state like Uttar Pradesh should continue as a single administrative unit has gained ground with senior BJP leaders talking about the prospect.

** "The division envisaged by the UP Assembly resolution is actually not viable. The biggest problem would not be the communally polarised area of Harit Pradesh, although that is a big concern, but the economic backwardness of Poorvanchal and Bundelkhand. Western UP got the benefit of the irrigation schemes of the past and industrial development, we cannot starve the rest of the state by separating them," said a senior minister in the government. "As far as the party is concerned, the political benefits of Poorvanchal and Bundelkhand are immense, while Awadh and Western UP will become no-go areas," said a source. He confirmed that a Bill on the issue was on the government's "to do" list.

2) Big is Bad;Split Uttar Pradesh for Greater Good - Indian Express

** Consider the complexity of scale and the challenging calculus. It has a population of 200 million—which places it somewhere between Brazil and Pakistan or nearly twice that of the second most populous Maharashtra. Uttar Pradesh is ostensibly administered through 71 districts and 300 sub-blocks. It has 107,452 villages—more than Bihar and Maharashtra put together. Imagine you are the rural development minister and you decide to visit at least 10 per cent—or even 1 per cent—of the villages. Do the math on how many days it would take you to visit even 1,000 villages.

** That Uttar Pradesh has been, is and will be unmanageable in its present form and shape is a no-brainer. The correlation between reach and response, between scale and complexity, and between size and delivery are fairly obvious. Uttar Pradesh is a live laboratory on how the promise embedded in the theory of demographic dividend can go horribly wrong if unattended.

So basically one talks about the political issues and other the economic/admin aspects wrt division of UP.

Dividing UP will not solve its problem. It is hobbled by the fact that its leaders post mandal have been crass castist. It along with Bihar is a poster child of how good intentions, empowering the downtrodden can turn on its head. It had a CM who was callous enough not to visit the parents of victims, whose children were eaten up by a cannibal in a middle class suburb of noida. It now has a CM whose father has for all practical purpose condoned rape by saying boys will be boys. UP had another CM who went on a park and monument building spree even when most of her inhabitants did not have toilets. And her defence was quoting the precedence of a family who ruled India for better part of 50 years. As if mistakes of another can justify crime of one.

UP's problem in the last 25 years has been the utter uselessness of its ruling political class. Dividing it is not the solution. Discarding the existing ruling dispensation is the solution.

Christopher Sidor wrote:Dividing UP will not solve its problem. It is hobbled by the fact that its leaders post mandal have been crass castist. It along with Bihar is a poster child of how good intentions, empowering the downtrodden can turn on its head.

With all due respects, Christopher-ji, I must partially disagree with this. It is true that UP's post Mandal CMs (even Kalyan and Rajnath were only somewhat better, but hardly had a vision to empower the state) have been bad to abysmal. But the casteism does not come from them, nor from Mandal, nor was Mandal any attempt at empowering the downtrodden. Mandal only made de-jure something that was already de-facto. The current version of the problem (B-ji will probably be able to give a deeper insight into the problem, with his knowledge of the Freedom Struggle issues) goes back to at least the mid 70s, when Chaudhary Charan Singh, seeing the strength of the Congress party machinery decided to mobilise his support base on the basis of castes. He created `Ajgar' (an acronym for Ahir-Jat-Gujjar-Rajput, which constituted his support base) and to fight it, Kamalapathi Tripathi, created Brahmin-Muslim-Dalit combo, under the orders of Indira Gandhi. This was the beginning of the current version of Mandalisation. And by the 80s, the caste combinations had ossified, with only the Rajputs, among the so-called forward castes throwing in their lot with the OBCs (which might also explain why Mayawathi has found it easier to coax Brahmins to join with her, and Amar Singh could persuade the Rajputs to side partially with Mulayam). V P Singh and Chandrashekhar also made use of the Charan Singh caste base, added to the support that the BJP had, to win convincingly against the Congress in 1989.

UP's problem in the last 25 years has been the utter uselessness of its ruling political class. Dividing it is not the solution. Discarding the existing ruling dispensation is the solution.

The problem is that there is no alternative on the horizon to the current crop of malformed leaders. Which leader (from whatever party) do you see able to take on either Mayawati or Mulayam with any degree of credibility?

Kakkaji wrote:To provide context to the statistics that nageshks ji has provided above, the link below shows the region-wise/ district-wise map of UP:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... on_map.gif

And here are the maps of the proposed states:

1. Pashchim Pradesh: http://www.mapsofindia.com/maps/uttarpr ... adesh.html

2. Awadh Pradesh: http://www.mapsofindia.com/maps/uttarpr ... adesh.html

3. Bundelkhand: http://www.mapsofindia.com/maps/uttarpr ... khand.html

4. Purvanchal: http://www.mapsofindia.com/maps/uttarpr ... nchal.html

Cheers!

Splitting up up has 2 challenges. One is to avoid another Muslim majority state, and the other one is finances. Most of the states money comes from Noida/Gaziabad/Mathura and Agra. There is some economic activity arround Kanpur/Lucknow. Rest of the state is in a terrible mess.

One could try our a new model. Split the state into 20-30 smaller states. Even at 30 smaller states, the average population would be 8-10 million.

Another model would be to carve out the developed areas, and hope they attract people from the lesser developed ones (Noida, Gaziabad, Mathura, Agra, Merut). At least these states would could be managed better.