Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 2012

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 17 Jan 2012 08:57

The Paks already know Islam unites and unifies them. They are only now seriously beginning to look into what divides them. With a little help from their friends, no doubt.

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 17 Jan 2012 09:15

ramana wrote: Half the Indian restaurants in US will close down! Most of them use halal to attract people.

Sirji,
I am told most goat-meat (called mutton in India) in Calcutta is completely halal. Not to speak of goat meat in California. The problem is that most Hindu/Sikhs will not work as butchers, I think the same goes for Buddhists. I suggest every one ask for "Jhatka" meat and avoid Halal. I have recently found that goat-meat is sold by Mexicans who breed goat, Pakistanis go there and butcher goat (or cows or chicken) and sell at high price at their Halal shops. If you are prepared to buy half a goat, or share one goat with a friend, you can get jhatka at a reduced rate and avoid patronizing Pakistanis. Ask a Mexican friend at work to help you, or go directly to a Mexican meat shop from the Yellow pages.
Gautam
PS At all California Prisons, no pork is served. This is due to the effort of the Black Muslims and Mullahs, who have gone on protest and eliminated pork from the diet. I do not know if the meat is Halal or not, most probably it is not. During the Ramadan period a special breakfast meal is given to the prisoners before dawn. There is no Hindu or Shkh meal, as there is hardly anyone from these religions there. Apologies as OT.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 17 Jan 2012 09:31

Pakistan is beautiful — and it’s mine

It’s an exciting time to be a Pakistani.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 17 Jan 2012 09:32

a knowing post like the one above is what helps mak BR special...
thanx g.sarkar

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 17 Jan 2012 10:01

pgbhat wrote:Pakistan is beautiful — and it’s mine
It’s an exciting time to be a Pakistani.

May they always live in exciting times.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 17 Jan 2012 10:15

Gautam moshai, I am supposed to go to UC Merced in the near future to bore their students about the hidden wonders of automobiles (as a favor for a friend of mine). Please have reham on this abdul if you catch him speeding in Merced or if he ends up in the slammer for some reason

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 17 Jan 2012 10:27

http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/7699/ ... ith-india/

Pakistan’s (love) hate affair with India

I ask myself why this generation was brought up hating the neighbor, especially if every social and cultural norm of theirs is admired here – is there a collective personality disorder here?

the guy is in a dilemma. he genuinely wants to keep the myth of "separate nation". but he bows to reality nonetheless. he's conflicted himself about which path to take. we need a few generations of large enough demographic in Pak to go through the same confusion. that can lay the basis for long term change.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 17 Jan 2012 11:03

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/01/16/2 ... ating.html

here we go again. Paki High men being split.

Again?

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 17 Jan 2012 11:32

China cornerstone of Pak's foreign policy: Gilani

Islamabad: Relations with China remain the cornerstone of Pakistan's foreign policy, Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani said on Monday.

"Pakistan and China enjoyed complete trust and conversion of views on all bilateral and international issues," Xinhua quoted Gilani as saying while addressing the Chinese students who met him in Islamabad.

According to a statement from the Prime Minister's office, Gilani said that Pakistan firmly opposes any attempts to undermine China's sovereignty and territorial integrity.

TSP cannot do anythinga about its own integrity and now they want to guarantee China's integrity.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 17 Jan 2012 11:36

Ijaz skips hearing, seeks more time InvUSible hand at work so that PA can run amok in Pakistan.

chiragAS · Post by **chiragAS** » 17 Jan 2012 11:38

IMO
This Gilani drama is all stage managed by TSPA.
1.) TSPA cheif goes for a chicom visit probably for getting money for troubling India and enforcing a change for
a Image Build up..
2.) Ask Gilani (their pet chamcha) to take tough stance agianst the TSPA to show they are democratic only
3.) sends sherry for some foreign tour and image build up, clearing way for the only face of change (Imran Khan )
to come to power. (TSPA logic:- a westernised look and feel will go long way to show they are democratic.)
4.) Imran will as usual bow down to TSPA for every action.
5.) Imran will make the the final Image build up as a powerful person who is in charge and not the Military.
6.) Gilani for his services will get a comfy home in |ondon.
7.) Zardari will be going for a long stay in Dubai
8.) Mush will become President.
9.) TSPA chief retains his position for unknown number of years.

All this demo.crazy will start bringing in the Aid from all over the world in the name of sustaining the demo-crazy.
while Mush and TSPA chief laugh thier way to bank.

In the meanwhile Chicom might use TSPA for sending in more of their jihadis to keep India busy..
Back to square one.

/IMO

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 17 Jan 2012 11:49

Deleted, as message to Raja Bose was received.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 17 Jan 2012 11:50

Meanwhile unkil & co must be seriously thinking about an independent Baluchistan as an alternative to TSP. It will give better ROI than entering this snake pit every two years and throwing time and money into this bottomless pit to sort out their internal troubles.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 17 Jan 2012 11:58

^^^^ Time for the Yanquis to think.

By helping the Baluchis gain independence they would be undoing a wrong perpetuated by the porkis

They would have easy access to Afghanistan and once and for all cut Porki geo advantage.

They would also be checking Iran and PRC.

But, alas, the Yanquis are known to attack the wrong country. Is something wrong with their GPS systems, I pooch?

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 17 Jan 2012 12:22

g.sarkar wrote: Rajababu,
I am with the department of Corrections, so, can not help with the CHP, if they catch you speeding. But contact me at gautam2454 at hot mail dat cam, perhaps we can meet for a drink in Merced.
Gautam Sarkar

In that case please ensure that Razor Vick, Pistol Joe and Big Mike don't become my cell mates if I get put in the slammer (Katrina, Chitragandha and Kareena are OK)

Given it will be a day trip for me dunno if I will still be in Merced during 'drinking hours'. However, will let you know anyways.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 17 Jan 2012 12:25

a grandson of the slain nawab Bugti has meantime put a bounty of Rs 101 mil on Mushrador's head. 1 mil in cash and a bungalow worth 100 mil + lifelong protection. some clerics have declared him wajb-ul-qatl.

http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/11-mi ... ead-167470

key question - will Kayani depute SSG stormtroopers to guard Mush or will he let him take the heat?

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 17 Jan 2012 12:53

The Mushy angle in the current drama is the most interesting portion.
# He is a proclaimed offender and government is duty-bound (whatever that could mean in Paki context) to arrest him on arrival
# He is not willing to work under IK (declared on Devil's Advocate with Thappad)
# He cannot expect help from PA on his terms. Why would Kiyanahi do extend any favours to him? He is not quite in any special position to be of any help.
# The bounty on his head
So, what the hell is he coming to Pukistan for?
At best he is just a shadow candidate programmed to climb down at the right moment and keep the others in check in the meantime. Whether the programming is done by PA (the question would arise why would he play to their tunes?) or himself (what objective? He cannot be in any powerful position without PA's help).
Confusing onlee.

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 17 Jan 2012 13:07

pgbhat wrote:Pakistan is beautiful — and it’s mine
It’s an exciting time to be a Pakistani.

This has been adapted from an article that was published recently in Elle India

The Paki public is being served out recycled stuff published in magazines promoting kufr in baniya country.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 17 Jan 2012 13:15

kenop wrote:The Mushy angle in the current drama is the most interesting portion.
# He is a proclaimed offender and government is duty-bound (whatever that could mean in Paki context) to arrest him on arrival
# He is not willing to work under IK (declared on Devil's Advocate with Thappad)
# He cannot expect help from PA on his terms. Why would Kiyanahi do extend any favours to him? He is not quite in any special position to be of any help.
# The bounty on his head
So, what the hell is he coming to Pukistan for?
At best he is just a shadow candidate programmed to climb down at the right moment and keep the others in check in the meantime. Whether the programming is done by PA (the question would arise why would he play to their tunes?) or himself (what objective? He cannot be in any powerful position without PA's help).
Confusing onlee.

He has already declared himself willing to rubber stamp a coup. That would be his utility to TSPA in case they need someone pliable as the future president IMHO. That's the trade he has offered, presidential position for a coup. If the army is buying that line is another question.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 17 Jan 2012 13:18

I think he is heading for the sunroof lever. Too many players up against him and what with this bounty on head etc. They get attracted to TSP like flies are drawn to the fire when their time is up. Just like BB.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 17 Jan 2012 14:12

pankajs wrote:
kenop wrote:The Mushy angle in the current drama is the most interesting portion.
# He is a proclaimed offender and government is duty-bound (whatever that could mean in Paki context) to arrest him on arrival
# He is not willing to work under IK (declared on Devil's Advocate with Thappad)
# He cannot expect help from PA on his terms. Why would Kiyanahi do extend any favours to him? He is not quite in any special position to be of any help.
# The bounty on his head
So, what the hell is he coming to Pukistan for?
At best he is just a shadow candidate programmed to climb down at the right moment and keep the others in check in the meantime. Whether the programming is done by PA (the question would arise why would he play to their tunes?) or himself (what objective? He cannot be in any powerful position without PA's help).
Confusing onlee.
He has already declared himself willing to rubber stamp a coup. That would be his utility to TSPA in case they need someone pliable as the future president IMHO. That's the trade he has offered, presidential position for a coup. If the army is buying that line is another question.

Why would the paki army not want their own running the civilian government also?? Rather like having your islamic cake and eating it too with no threats of "democracy" to disrupt the onward march of the faithfools??

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 17 Jan 2012 14:25

http://www.dawn.com/2012/01/17/pakistan ... india.html

Pakistan likely to import railway engines from India

Informed sources told Dawn on Monday that import of locomotives from India was one of the options the government was currently studying.

Pakistan Railways, the sources said, was arranging a meeting on Feb 2 in New Delhi of all relevant Indian stakeholders, including senior officials of the Indian Ministry of External Affairs, Ministry of Indian Railways, chairman of Indian Railways, Rites Ltd and Pakistani High Commission.The two sides are expected to discuss finalisation of a `dry leasing agreement` for locomotives` import.

Hopefully they get the money *before* any locos are sent.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 17 Jan 2012 14:25

chetak wrote:
pankajs wrote: He has already declared himself willing to rubber stamp a coup. That would be his utility to TSPA in case they need someone pliable as the future president IMHO. That's the trade he has offered, presidential position for a coup. If the army is buying that line is another question.
Why would the paki army not want their own running the civilian government also?? Rather like having your islamic cake and eating it too with no threats of "democracy" to disrupt the onward march of the faithfools??

You are right. The ideal setup from TSPA's perspectives would be to have a rubber stamp as PM, another rubber stamp for president and a pliant judiciary.

My reply was on utility of Mush to TSPA. He has offered his services to the Army for the presidential post and declared himself willing to rubber stamp a future coup.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 17 Jan 2012 15:17

US patience with Pakistan has grown paper-thin: report

As Pakistan continues to block the Nato supply routes to Afghanistan after deadly November 24 incident and no change seen in its policies with regard to its links with extremist groups, America's patience with Pakistan is growing thinner, US officials feel.

What has been annoying the Obama Administration is the fact that Pakistan is increasingly standing upfront against the US and is saying "no" more often than ever to any American requests with regard to war against terrorism, The Washington Post reported.

A case in the point, Pakistani foreign minister Hina Rabbani Khar bluntly told US secretary of state Hillary Clinton that any unauthorised flight into its Pakistan's air space, risks being shot down, the paper said.

Not only this, Pakistan turned down the request of US Special Representative for Pakistan and Afghanistan Marc Grossman to travel to Islamabad during his current trip to the region that started this week, the daily said.

"In the United States, Obama is under political pressure to show Islamabad who is the global boss. Patience here has grown paper-thin with what is seen as Pakistani double-dealing and intransigence that is getting in the way of efforts to wind down the Afghan war," The Post reported in an analysis based on conversation and interviews with unnamed officials from both the US and Pakistan.

"Pakistan also has snubbed US efforts to boost the Afghan economy with a gas pipeline that would run from Tajikistan through Afghanistan to Pakistani ports. Instead, it has reiterated its plans to proceed with an alternative pipeline from Iran," the daily said.

The Obama Administration has decided not to go public yet and will wait till the Pakistan Parliament completes its review of US-Pak ties.

"We have views on where we would like to see this go," a US official was quoted as saying.

But it will "take another week or two ... for their internal process to come to some kind of formal communication that would be communicated back to us," the official added.

A senior Pakistani government official told The Post that the committee’s recommendations will probably include a demand for explicit US assurances that there will be no violation of sovereignty — no American boots on the ground, no more unilateral raids, no manned air strikes.

The official said there is likely to be some arrangement on drone attacks, with Pakistan calling for large reductions in their number and geographic scope, and demanding prior notification and approval of every strike.

Perhaps renewed American focus of Balochistan will tickle Pukistan no end.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 17 Jan 2012 15:34

Irfan Hussein on the state of his country.

http://www.dawn.com/2012/01/14/both-bar ... oaded.html

January 14, 2012

WHAT does a country down on its knees economically do to recover? What does it do when it isn`t in the middle of natural disasters like earthquakes and floods?

In the case of Pakistan, we whip up a manmade crisis out of nowhere to amuse ourselves. Consider the latest confrontation between the army and the government as an example of our endless ability to create a drama out of nothing.

Here, we have the army chief expressing his outrage over the prime minister`s suggestion that he and the head of the ISI acted unconstitutionally in bypassing official channels in presenting their affidavits to the Supreme Court in the memogate case. The military press release warned ominously of the `ramifications` and `potentially dangerous consequences` of the PM`s comments.

So it appears that the military is upset at being charged with acting unconstitutionally. This is the same institution that has intervened directly four times to remove civilian governments, and has played a hugely destabilising role time and again. Soon after he captured power in 1977, Gen Zia described the constitution as a document he could `tear up with one hand` For the generals to now express their anger over the prime minister`s comments is replete with irony. If they were to act constitutionally, they would need to acknowledge and respect the president as commander-in-chief of the armed forces. I have not seen much evidence of any deference thusfar.

The truth is that from the very outset, the generals havechafed under Zardari, but thus far, they have restrained themselves because the alternative was unacceptable.

They would rather live with a pliable Asif Zardari than a Nawaz Sharif seeking revenge for his ouster. But now, a third option has opened up with the emergence of Imran Khan as a major player, apparently with the establishment`s help.

Hence the build-up of pressure for early elections.

In an article titled `Pakistan`s slow-motion coup` in a recent edition of Foreign Policp, C. Christine Fair writes: `So let`s call the devil by his name: memogate should be understood as a sophisticated attempt by the army and [its] intelligence agency to use the court to bring down this government, not just as a titillating imbroglio involving Husain Haqqani.

It is clear that overt and covert efforts are being made by political parties, institutions and individuals to bring down the government before Senate elections due by March. Should the coalition government cling on to power till then, the PPP might well win a sizeable number of seats in the Upper House, strengthening its position regarding veto power over legislation.

Such a scenario is unpalatable to all those opposing the party, and as they form the bulk of the chattering classes as well as TV chat show hosts and their guests, the PPP might well be tossed out soon, one way or another.

But as the army is reluctant to act directly, it will be up to the courts to actually pull the trigger. With memogate and the controversial and now defunct NRO, the Supreme Courthasbothbarrelslocked, loaded and cocked.

However, before poppingopen the champagne, let us consider the consequences of the premature ouster of yet another elected government.

The possible emergence of the judiciary as a kind of hatchet man for the establishment as well as for a media baying for blood is an unhealthy precedent. And if the PPP is turfed outfor the fourth time before being allowed to complete its term, it will once again be able to don the martyr`s mantle.

While it deserves to be booted out of office for incompetence, this decision should be left to the voters in the next election.

In Turkey, we have just witnessed the unprecedented sight of the ex-military chief being arrested for alleged involvement in a coup attempt against Prime Minister Erdogan`s government. Until a few years ago, the Turkish military establishment and its nationalist supporters known collectively as the Deep State loomed just as large on the political landscape as their Pakistanicounterparts.

So what has changed in Turkey that an elected government can now sack and arrest serving and retired generals without fear of yet another coup? The answer in two words: good governance.

Since it came to power, the mildly Islamist Justice and Development (AK) Party has improved the economy beyond recognition, and moved steadily to impose civilian control over the military. And by repeatedly showing his popularity through thumping electoral victories, Erdogan has deprived the Deep State of political space.

There is an important lesson here for Pakistani politicians and civil society. Both have been demanding for years that the army must stopdabbling in politics and return to the barracks. But we need to remember that power is never handed over on a platter; it must be seized.

Lacking troops and tanks, civilian politicians need to improve their performance when in power, and learn to cooperate to strengthen democracy when they are not.

By running to the courts and to the military to intervene, they weaken democratic institutions. Had this government not accumulated such an appalling record over its four years in power, it might be getting greater support now.

As it is, its dreadful performance has won it few admirers.

Nevertheless, I maintain that it is not for the courts or the generals to sit in judgment over an elected government. That task is for voters alone. It is high time to break out of the cycle of coups and aborted terms in office.

Many people cannot understand how a shady individual like Mansoor Ijaz can drag the government to the brink.

Considering that he has repeatedly and publicly accused the Pakistan Army and the ISI of all kinds of shenanigans, for Gen Kayani and Gen Pasha to be accepting his charges against Husain Haqqani and, by extension, against the president and commander-in-chief, smacks of a set-up.

And while I disapprove of asking the Americans to meddie in our internal affairs, even if the memo did reflect official thinking at any level, all it was doing was seeking support in subordinating the military to the elected government. Isn`t that what the constitution callsfor?

The writer is the author of Fatal Faultines: Pakistan, Islam and the West.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 17 Jan 2012 15:49

US-Pakistan: Alliance interrupted!

The US-Pakistan alliance has been epitomised by America’s ruthless exploitation of Pakistan’s peculiar political, economic and strategic vulnerabilities; and its remorseless betrayals of Pakistan at critical times!
The first betrayal: The 1965 war
America’s peculiar role in the 1965 war with India crushed all Pakistani fantasies about this (non) alliance, opening its eyes (and mercifully the road to China).
The second betrayal: The 1971 war
The “impotent” US tilt in the 1971 war with India, which led to the dismemberment of Pakistan further revealed its actual regional strategic priorities.
The third betrayal: The nuclear dimension
India introduced the nuclear dimension to the strategic environment of South Asia through its so-called “peaceful nuclear explosion” in May 1974. Ironically, Pakistan was made to pay the price for India’s international nuclear theft, treachery and debauchery. The US-led free world penalised Pakistan in anticipation of a crime it had yet to commit - i.e. going nuclear to restore the lost regional strategic balance! Pakistan’s determined defiance eventually paid off!
The situation worsened later, when President George Bush gifted India, “the original nuclear sinner of the world”, with the Indo-US civil nuclear deal - a strategic faux pas that robbed various international nuclear regimes, like the NSG, NPT, CTBT, FMCT, MTCR, CD et.al, of their moral and ethical strengths to justly and fairly regulate international nuclear issues. This strategic blunder gave a tremendous urgency and impetus to Pakistan’s and Iran’s nuclear programmes, accelerated the nuclear arms race in the region and hardened Islamabad’s stance at the aforementioned fora.
The fourth betrayal: Afghanistan one
Pakistan played the cardinal role in defeating and evicting the Soviets from Afghanistan. No sooner had they rolled back across the Amu River, the US-led free world withdrew unilaterally, abandoning Pakistan to deal with the aftermath of the Soviet withdrawal alone. Ungraciously, then the country was slapped with the crippling Pressler, Symington and Glenn Amendments, which effectively took away from it the capacity to manage the critical wake of the Soviet withdrawal. The resultant extremist militancy threatens the whole world even now!
The fifth betrayal: Afghanistan two
Consequent to 9/11, President Bush announced the global war on terror (GWOT) and literally bullied President General Pervez Musharraf into joining it. Blatant, unwritten, unilateral deals were struck and the US went wild chasing the militants all over Pakistan, hunting and killing them (and “collateral damage” Pakistanis) at will. This ruthless exploitation of Pakistani President’s political vulnerability led to thousands of Pakistani deaths, the destruction of its infrastructure, the ruination of its economy and the extreme polarisation of its society! Unfortunately, it still goes on!
The sixth betrayal: The diplomatic dimension
The US shamelessly attacked Pakistan’s centre of gravity - its armed forces. First, it unsuccessfully tried to neuter the ISI and then attempted to shackle them through some highly intrusive conditions in the Kerry-Lugar-Berman Bill. These diabolical sleights of hand were efficiently countered by the Pakistan Army.
Later, exploiting the Gilani-Zardari government’s spineless servility, the US poured in thousands of its intelligence agents, contractors, military and security personnel et.al, some in the garb of diplomats without visa and immigration formalities, into Pakistan. Most of these agents went about subverting Pakistan’s national security, reportedly, encouraging terrorist activities and even targeting its nuclear and other strategic programmes! (Raymond Davis!)
And by giving India a major role in post-2014 Afghanistan, Washington gives it an unfair strategic advantage vis–à–vis Pakistan!
The seventh betrayal: The military dimension
The US killed OBL in Abbottabad, cunningly keeping the Pakistanis out of the loop, hogging all the credit for itself and embarrassing them into a weak bargaining or negotiating position in the future.
Betrayal was personified by Admiral Mike Mullen - an avowed friend of Pakistan - who slanderously told a Congressional hearing that the Haqqani network was “a veritable arm of the ISI.” Brutus was, perhaps, kinder to Caesar!
The senseless massacre at Salalah will prove to be the turning point in this non-alliance.
And then, predictably, the US “suspended, laid conditions on or delayed” all economic and military aid to Pakistan - even holding back the CSF reimbursements.
And the list goes on…….
The onus is now on the US to determine the future of this non-functioning alliance. Will it be terminated once and for all? Will the US seek to attain its vital interests with other regional allies, like India and Afghanistan? Will this alliance remain interrupted as of now? Will it grow albeit in a stunted manner only becoming operational when required - as a transactional deal? Will it eventually gain new roots and blossom into a full-fledged alliance once again, but with clearly defined paradigms, parameters and terms of engagement? The US and Pakistan both need absolute clarity on these issues.

However, the US needs to:
a Reassess its policy towards India and Pakistan - the hyphen in the Indo-Pak subcontinent must return. Apparently, the CFR and Richard N. Haass inspired policy tilt towards India has failed to secure USA’s vital interests till date.
a Realign strategic direction in the APR-SCAR and win over Pakistan, as a genuine and willing ally. The two need to maximise convergent national interests, minimise clashing interests and reconcile divergent interests.
a Revise its biased nuclear policy towards the subcontinent, meeting Pakistan’s genuine energy needs at the same level as the Indians. Period.
a Redetermine its regional policy ends and objectives, seeking mutual harmony with Pakistan (India must stay out of Afghanistan).
a Rewrite fair and unambiguous terms of engagement with Pakistan.
a Realise that the road to the achievement of its vital national objectives in the APR-SCAR Complex runs through Islamabad and not through New Delhi or Kabul.
a Recognise that it will have to become a genuinely reliable and trustworthy ally, and not an arrogant, betraying and exploitative master!
a Revive its alliance with Pakistan. Otherwise, the US will find it impossible to secure any of its interests in the APR-SCAR- GMER (Greater Middle East Region).

The writer is a retired brigadier and a former defence advisor in Australia and New Zealand. He is secretary general of the Pakistan Forum for Security and Development.

Our brother, the TFTA brigadier, is certainly very upset. The one thing he forgets is that the "vital national objectives in the APR-SCAR Complex runs through Islamabad" is not true. In his righteous rage, he forgets that it can also be re-routed through an independent Balochistan.

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 17 Jan 2012 15:50

Pliable or not, the civilian pillar of the structure will never be required to be stronger than any other.
A state formed on the ideological framework has to follow the original template (expand the boundaries converting dar-ul-harb into dar-ul-islam). There is no option but to have the army as the most powerful.

As far as Mushy is concerned, his deeper motivations are not clear, but all he can perhaps hope to do is be a part of the current drama in whatever role PA is willing to offer him. His bravado knows no bounds, but it will be quite a climbdown for him personally if he were to be the president again (as it will have to be under the watchful gaze of the PA).

As an example, during my college (engineering) NCC camp our senior cadets refused to take suggestions (not orders) from another cadet (of the same rank) from a normal degree college. Quite childish but they considered it exclusive to be from a technical college even while being part of a impartial organization.

In any case, good entertainment is guaranteed.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 17 Jan 2012 17:16

ramana wrote:Half the Indian restaurants in US will close down! Most of them use halal to attract people.

You are right. In NYC, more than half of the "Indian" restaurants (especially the obscure quality, $9.95 buffet types) are owned and managed by bangladeshis and pakis.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 17 Jan 2012 17:20

Not just places run by bangladeshi or pakis that serve halal even ones run by Indians proudly display the halal certification over their counters.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 17 Jan 2012 17:21

pgbhat wrote:Pakistan is beautiful — and it’s mine

From the article,

And in a conservative country like Pakistan, one has to work twice as hard to be considered half as good as a man.

So a paki motorma is equal to 2.5 SDRE Yindoos, eh?

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 17 Jan 2012 17:51

Anujan wrote:http://www.dawn.com/2012/01/17/pakistan ... india.html

Pakistan likely to import railway engines from India

Informed sources told Dawn on Monday that import of locomotives from India was one of the options the government was currently studying.

Pakistan Railways, the sources said, was arranging a meeting on Feb 2 in New Delhi of all relevant Indian stakeholders, including senior officials of the Indian Ministry of External Affairs, Ministry of Indian Railways, chairman of Indian Railways, Rites Ltd and Pakistani High Commission.The two sides are expected to discuss finalisation of a `dry leasing agreement` for locomotives` import.
Hopefully they get the money *before* any locos are sent.

Hope this doesn't go through- If they can pay upfront to Purchase the engines fine, this dry leasing business is ridiculous. Pakis ccan save money on PR and buy more F-16's and other miltary equipment against us.

If we are to lease, let us lease crappy engines which break down every week, so Pakis give up on this option

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 17 Jan 2012 17:59

^^ last news was that some babu in Railway ministry refused to sell/lease locos to pakis due to 'shortage' while manufacturing them for bangladesh and bhrahmadesh.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 17 Jan 2012 20:25

in blr in a lane between the ROP droplets of gurupanpalya and jayanagar east, I have seen kids probably around 10 yrs of age working as full time butchers in road side shacks. one of them was busy halaling goats and had piled up around 15 goat heads already when I was passing by....the other kid was feeding leaves to a fresh batch of goats he had brought out of the shed to the butcher shop.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 17 Jan 2012 20:27

Aditya_V wrote:
Anujan wrote:http://www.dawn.com/2012/01/17/pakistan ... india.html
Pakistan likely to import railway engines from India
If we are to lease, let us lease crappy engines which break down every week, so Pakis give up on this option

Some months back, wen this discussion came up here, I said we should send refurbished/converted shunting locos (which the Goldenrock Railway Workshop specializes in to send to African countries).

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 17 Jan 2012 20:40

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Jan 2012 21:49

Dilbu, The Gilani statement on TSP working for PRC integrity means that massa is working on the Uigher sanction! TSP always denies what is the truth. Its their nature to lie at all times.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 17 Jan 2012 21:50

anupmisra wrote:Swizerland of the East, indeed
Jo Lahore may ...., woh Swizerland may bhi....

Dad killed daughter in brutal axe murder

Once she was back in the apartment, the girl went into her parents' bedroom to pick up some of her belongings. When she bent down to retreive some items from the wardrobe, her father hit her with the axe on the back of the head, the prosecutor says. The man struck his daughter 19 times with the axe: 12 times with the blade and seven with the blunt end.

The teenager not die instantly, but lay on the ground in agonising pain for several minutes until her life finally slipped away.
The father left the axe between her legs, pointing to the feet, a gesture Krättli does not want to interpret, but that usually has sexual connotations and expresses the motives behind the murder, newspaper Tages Anzeiger reports.

What the heck does this mean

?

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 17 Jan 2012 22:08

The trial of Mumbai attackers has been adjourned till Jan 28, because Lakhvi's lawyer died and he wants time to appoint a new lawyer.

SSridhar-ji, do you want to add this to the Mumbai trial perfidy post?

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 17 Jan 2012 22:34

Lilo wrote:
anupmisra wrote:Swizerland of the East, indeed
Jo Lahore may ...., woh Swizerland may bhi....

Dad killed daughter in brutal axe murder
Once she was back in the apartment, the girl went into her parents' bedroom to pick up some of her belongings. When she bent down to retreive some items from the wardrobe, her father hit her with the axe on the back of the head, the prosecutor says. The man struck his daughter 19 times with the axe: 12 times with the blade and seven with the blunt end.

The teenager not die instantly, but lay on the ground in agonising pain for several minutes until her life finally slipped away.
The father left the axe between her legs, pointing to the feet, a gesture Krättli does not want to interpret, but that usually has sexual connotations and expresses the motives behind the murder, newspaper Tages Anzeiger reports.
What the heck does this mean ?

It means nothing.
The Paki father merely placed the evidence carefully between her legs. No meaning at all for that.
Reporter is sensationalizing or the attorney is probably trying to ensure life term by including a sexual attack charge by ascribing a motive for the way the axe has been placed. .

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 17 Jan 2012 23:02

Lilo wrote:
anupmisra wrote:Swizerland of the East, indeed
Jo Lahore may ...., woh Swizerland may bhi....[:eek: ?

Motorham ne dekho kya kiya
Swaziland ko Switzerland banna diya
Exit time to Excited time keh diya
Exile time ko Mizzile wakat samja.
Pakistan is Pee-u-Full stan.