Elections Modi 3.0

[chetak]

Sorry vimalji. The present MH CM is Eknathji Shinde. He is the head of Shiv Sena (Shinde) group and was an auto rickshaw driver and I believe also the office bearer of rickshaw driver union in Thane. A man who is quite in touch with grass roots unlike Uddhav.

Whether better or not is subjective. On one hand the government is going to be stable with this mandate - it is not dependent on Ajit Pawars shenanigans any more. On the other hand the sops announced such as ladki bahin scheme that gives 2000 to every woman of certain age group is a huge burden on the exchequer - the government has very little room for increasing revenue, so something has to give….

Tanaji saar,

Earlier, it was booze, biryani and some cash for a vote.

This was targeted towards the menfolk who drank it away and pissed it down the drain. End of story

This election, BJP has targeted the women, no matter what the scheme, it's cash in bank every month, cash that will be used for children's nutrition, their welfare, some schooling extras, clothes, and may be used by some women to start a little micro enterprise like selling pani puris and samosas whatever from a thela or a small tailoring shop that is run from home, इत्यादि, इत्यादि to augment their income, and this cash is coming from a trusted and reliable source.

They trust Modi ji and fadnavis and know that the cash will come in, no matter what, because it is Modiji's promise and backed
by him and fadnavis.

All of them have phones and know what has happened to such schemes in dimwit's congi run takatak states.

The 6 % swing by women voters has tilted the scales hugely in the BJP's favor.

This election has not been merely driven by the women voters but in fact it has been dictated by them. It is a out of the box move that has paid out a rich electoral dividend. This is a game changer and the arrow has hit true and had a massive effect.

6% swing means there are a lot of minority women who have also voted for the BJP.

Kids and family welfare are important to all mothers

Most importantly, this money will also come back into the economy as it will bump up their purchasing power, no matter how small you/we may think it is. For these women folk, it is a windfall.

Fadnavis is also in touch with the grass roots. He is hard core RSS and quite the favorite with nagpur.

He is smart, suave, scrupulous, and surgical in his approach and the onion merchants will testify to this, because it was they who pissed him off and paid the price

[Manish_P]

...

Earlier, it was booze, biryani and some cash for a vote.

This was targeted towards the menfolk who drank it away and pissed it down the drain. End of story
...

It still is. By the opposition. Because they can't do it electronically, at scale.

This election, BJP has targeted the women, no matter what the scheme, it's cash in bank every month, cash that will be used for children's nutrition, their welfare, some schooling extras, clothes, and may be used by some women to start a little micro enterprise like selling pani puris and samosas whatever from a thela or a small tailoring shop that is run from home, इत्यादि, इत्यादि to augment their income, and this cash is coming from a trusted and reliable source.
...

Absolutely spot on, Chetak sir. Experienced this at personal level in the housing society where i reside. Maids/House helps actually took staggered days offs (so as not to loose the days wages) and went to native places to register for the scheme. The memsahibs were not angry as the work was done by the alternate help (the other maids) for those 1-2 days. They co-operated with the kaamwaalis and vice-versa. Female Socialism

They trust Modi ji and fadnavis and know that the cash will come in, no matter what, because it is Modiji's promise and backed
by him and fadnavis.

All of them have phones and know what has happened to such schemes in dimwit's congi run takatak states.

THIS.

This is what it made it work. 'Modi ki guarantee' might be a catch-phrase for the twitterati but for the lower income people it has become a matter of faith. And it was further helped when the opposition stupidly made statements about their intention to stop it to stop the drain on the exchequer. They soon realized how they couldn't explain why they had started such schemes, or made promises, in their states and so quickly back-tracked and said they would double the amount It did force the BJP to quickly announce they were thinking of raising it from Rs 1500 a month to Rs 2100 a month

The 6 % swing by women voters has tilted the scales hugely in the BJP's favor.

This election has not been merely driven by the women voters but in fact it has been dictated by them. It is a out of the box move that has paid out a rich electoral dividend. This is a game changer and the arrow has hit true and had a massive effect.

6% swing means there are a lot of minority women who have also voted for the BJP.

Possibly if not probably. Will need to see the detailed data. In any case money trumps all. The anti Triple T bill didn't really get muslim women votes to the BJP. And they knew they lost some states primarily due to the freebies and not things like corruption/anti-incumbency

Kids and family welfare are important to all mothers

Most importantly, this money will also come back into the economy as it will bump up their purchasing power, no matter how small you/we may think it is. For these women folk, it is a windfall.

Absolutely. The twitterati immediately did 1500/30 equals just Rs 50 a day. They didn't see it as a minimum of 7% increase in income. Most of the females don't even calculate it in terms of per day or percentage. They saw it as a way to pay a childs school fee for a year or paying of the months essential grocery or the gas and electricity bill.

However one thing it has done is the middle income group is expecting some tax breaks now. The FM made some sympathetic noises about it just before the elections. But it is going to be challenging to balance the two. Especially if they raise the amount. And there will be no Modi in the next elections. The state level guy has to step up. Big time. Interesting times ahead...

[chetak]

...

Earlier, it was booze, biryani and some cash for a vote.

This was targeted towards the menfolk who drank it away and pissed it down the drain. End of story
...

It still is. By the opposition. Because they can't do it electronically, at scale.

This election, BJP has targeted the women, no matter what the scheme, it's cash in bank every month, cash that will be used for children's nutrition, their welfare, some schooling extras, clothes, and may be used by some women to start a little micro enterprise like selling pani puris and samosas whatever from a thela or a small tailoring shop that is run from home, इत्यादि, इत्यादि to augment their income, and this cash is coming from a trusted and reliable source. ...

Absolutely spot on, Chetak sir. Experienced this at personal level in the housing society where i reside. Maids/House helps actually took staggered days offs (so as not to loose the days wages) and went to native places to register for the scheme. The memsahibs were not angry as the work was done by the alternate help (the other maids) for those 1-2 days. They co-operated with the kaamwaalis and vice-versa. Female Socialism

They trust Modi ji and fadnavis and know that the cash will come in, no matter what, because it is Modiji's promise and backed
by him and fadnavis.

All of them have phones and know what has happened to such schemes in dimwit's congi run takatak states.

THIS.

This is what it made it work. 'Modi ki guarantee' might be a catch-phrase for the twitterati but for the lower income people it has become a matter of faith. And it was further helped when the opposition stupidly made statements about their intention to stop it to stop the drain on the exchequer. They soon realized how they couldn't explain why they had started such schemes, or made promises, in their states and so quickly back-tracked and said they would double the amount It did force the BJP to quickly announce they were thinking of raising it from Rs 1500 a month to Rs 2100 a month

The 6 % swing by women voters has tilted the scales hugely in the BJP's favor.

This election has not been merely driven by the women voters but in fact it has been dictated by them. It is a out of the box move that has paid out a rich electoral dividend. This is a game changer and the arrow has hit true and had a massive effect.

6% swing means there are a lot of minority women who have also voted for the BJP.

Possibly if not probably. Will need to see the detailed data. In any case money trumps all. The anti Triple T bill didn't really get muslim women votes to the BJP. And they knew they lost some states primarily due to the freebies and not things like corruption/anti-incumbency

Kids and family welfare are important to all mothers

Most importantly, this money will also come back into the economy as it will bump up their purchasing power, no matter how small you/we may think it is. For these women folk, it is a windfall.

Absolutely. The twitterati immediately did 1500/30 equals just Rs 50 a day. They didn't see it as a minimum of 7% increase in income. Most of the females don't even calculate it in terms of per day or percentage. They saw it as a way to pay a childs school fee for a year or paying of the months essential grocery or the gas and electricity bill.

However one thing it has done is the middle income group is expecting some tax breaks now. The FM made some sympathetic noises about it just before the elections. But it is going to be challenging to balance the two. Especially if they raise the amount. And there will be no Modi in the next elections. The state level guy has to step up. Big time. Interesting times ahead...

Manish ji,

These days the voters are very cagey and they either don't talk to the post pollsters or flip them off by giving some wrong info.

That's why most of the post pollsters get it wrong because they have no option but to extrapolate and they have to do so based on insufficient raw data or on the BS data they get fed purposely.

The women are shrewd enough not to even tell their husbands and families who they voted for. Most will go with the flow and agree with their husbands/families but will vote differently at the polling booth. It is only the grass roots connected organisations that may have some inkling about what's actually going on and that too in some local pockets only.

There is only one grass roots connected organisation that has a near nation wide grass roots connect, presence and coverage and that is why it is so feared by the conversion mafias, missionary abrahamics and the FFNGOs. Look at how these silent workers changed both the game and the narrative in just a matter of some weeks

Even dimwit is targeting this organisation, asking, nay demanding that it be banned forthwith. His BIF masters simply do not know how to handle the selfless, organically growing and nationalistic behemoth that they cannot even see most of the time, let alone counter it

And again, look at how the BJP wrested the by poll seat of the Kundarki assembly seat, in UP's just completed by polls where Ramveer Thakur has created history.

The BJP candidate is the lone Hindu from a Muslim-dominated area and defeated 11 other muslim candidates with around 1.4 lakh votes. With the win in Kundarki, the BJP retakes the seat after a 30-year gap.

Did anyone forecast this win or even the 7/9 seats haul that the BJP won in the UP by polls or did you miss the fact that many minority women would have also voted for Ramveer Thakur, preferring the strict control and tight grip that Yogi Adityanath has over the law and order situation

Yogi Adityanath campaigns primarily on a law and order platform, ensuring safety for all law abiding citizens of the state and a secure environment to live, conduct their business and thrive without fear or being subject to loot, kidnap, and murder by goonda gangs..

[SRajesh]

Chetakji
Women voting in large numbers and voting for BJP( and I dont mean in the way of nationalistic fervor and Batenge toh catenge ) based on schemes that definitely improve their daily concerns : food, water, toilet, cooking gas, schooling and education for the kids.
BJP has targeted each and every one of these.
And agree with you analysis of what's being pumped into these schemes comes rolling back into the economy.
Revadi politics of free bus fare yada yada will only bankrupt the state.
Yes the outlay for the BJP schemes are also quite taxing on the economy.
But if we dont look at these issues now after 75 years then when are we going address them.
Carrying on Generations : Garibi Hatao has been the Congi agenda and that's basically what it was an election slogan and nothing else.
I know its a big ask but the next step should be grass root governanace set up.
Both in Hindi heartland and Deep South getting independent minded women to be involved in the governance would be a difficult task but if that happens then it would definetly change the discourse in a big way!
The sway of Religion, Biryani, Booze over the ballot would start eroding very faster and faster

[chetak]

vi@WA

Last time a non-BJP party got 100 seats in #Maharashtra was 34 years ago in 1990.

But #DevendraFadnavis's BJP did it three times in a row 2014 - 122, 2019 -105 & 2024 - 132.

And casteist a-holes, BJP didn't do it on 3% Brahmin votes, they did it by uniting all castes.

Just like Maharaj did! True scions of his legacy!

[Tanaji]

Absolutely spot on, Chetak sir. Experienced this at personal level in the housing society where i reside. Maids/House helps actually took staggered days offs (so as not to loose the days wages) and went to native places to register for the scheme. The memsahibs were not angry as the work was done by the alternate help (the other maids) for those 1-2 days. They co-operated with the kaamwaalis and vice-versa. Female Socialism

Absolutely true and witnessed myself as well. Interestingly, all maids assiduously keep themselves up to date on voting lists - but at their ancestral village. Rarely will you find one on voter list in Mumbai where they live 95% off the time. No doubt the viklage gets benefits from the local politico.

Another thing not mentioned more is the fear of peaceful , at least in the cities. A lot of people I spoke or deal with say that if the pure are consolidating and are being exhorted from the masjids, then we need to as well. The batenge to katenge has found relevance - and its not even a rewadi! At least some hindus may be slowly waking up…

[Vayutuvan]

^^Poor interpretation. Empowerment schemes and freebie schemes are two different things. Sometimes the lines blur. The criteria are whether the scheme will enable a long term difference in people's life/capabilities, and whether the fiscal/budget implications have been properly addressed.

In other words, our brafessor ji is saying "parkalaam" which is a tautology (1).
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Notes

(1) The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition

tautology: An empty or vacuous statement composed of simpler statements in a fashion that makes it logically true whether the simpler statements are factually true or false; for example, the statement Either it will rain tomorrow or it will not rain tomorrow.

[chetak]

mumtaz begum wants to sideline dimwit and is actively gunning for the leadership position in the indi alliance, the JMM has flatly refused to give the deputy CM position to the congress, just like omar the abdullah did in cashmere.

humiliating back to back defeats in haryana and Mah have shown the congis and the mafia family their aukat.

akaless kicking the congis out in the UP by poll seat allotment has shown pappu and pappi not only to be toothless but also short sighted. scam tainted and entitled husband vadra has already staked claim to a parliamentary seat for himself

And to top it all, the really bad look of the entire entitled family slyly sneaking into the parliament using avaricious alliances with the jihadis has further eroded the last remnants of its already besmirched and tattered image, and the unprincipled leadership have shown themselves as callous, grasping, selfish and power hungry, while also being disloyal and unpatriotic

and karti, chidambaram's son has said publicly, if the EVM works for everyone else, why doesn't it work for the congis in particular.

he went on to further state that he had personally been fighting elections where EVMs were used and he has never had any problems. with them.

He says the the EVMs are robust, efficient, dependable, and reliable

the BIF cup of joy certainly does not runneth over and the mafioso have become politically radioactive ...... with an uncertain future looming large

the vultures are gathering ....

[suryag]

BTW does anyone know who is this dr.p.sarin, seems to have hurt one of the candidates badly in Palakkad

[Manish_P]

... No doubt the viklage gets benefits from the local politico...

Yes. In the cases I saw it was the village head who would do the organising (booking buses, arranging for food, giving petty cash etc). The village head would get reimbursement in cash and kind from the politico later.

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Another thing not mentioned more is the fear of peaceful , at least in the cities. A lot of people I spoke or deal with say that if the pure are consolidating and are being exhorted from the masjids...

Agree. Whatsapp groups very write active with shares of the peacefuls rallies, mullahs speeches etc. A big factor which helped the counter-consolidation was the Waqf boards claims and the Ulemas 17 demands to the MVA getting highlighted big time across not just the social media but also the main stream media (which people increasingly watch on mobiles). That got traction in the middle class who were not benefiting from the freebie schemes.

All in all Saam, daam, dand, bhed used effectively.

[Manish_P]

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These days the voters are very cagey and they either don't talk to the post pollsters or flip them off by giving some wrong info...

Agree. Was true earlier as well but now it dis seem even more so

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The women are shrewd enough not to even tell their husbands and families who they voted for. Most will go with the flow and agree with their husbands/families but will vote differently at the polling booth
...

Did the same happen in the lok sabha elections? The BJP polled lesser numbers of seats with a slight dip in vote share (36.6℅ vs 37.3℅). So if many more women voted for the BJP then does it imply that far fewer men voted for the party?

The BJP candidate is the lone Hindu from a Muslim-dominated area and defeated 11 other muslim candidates with around 1.4 lakh votes...

Did anyone forecast this win or even the 7/9 seats haul that the BJP won in the UP by polls or did you miss the fact that many minority women would have also voted for Ramveer Thakur, preferring the strict control and tight grip that Yogi Adityanath has over the law and order situation

No I did not miss it Sir

I see it as 'batenge to katenge' which happened to the Muslim side

[Tanaji]

BJP/MahaYuti got only 2 lakh votes less in the entire state than MVA in the Lok Sabha elections. How that translated into a loss of 10-15 seats is anazing…

[chetak]

1) BJP high command erred in 2022 by making Shinde CM & Fadnavis Dy CM. Shinde himself was surprised, Fadnavis upset.

2) Time to rectify 2022 mistake.

3) Shinde should gracefully back out, propose Fadnavis as CM & be content as Dy CM — the actual position he expected in 2022.

[KL Dubey]

I hope that the newspaper clipping provided above talking about "Amit Shah said this or that" is just speculations/opinions from random netas.

Having learned a lesson in 2019 from Thakre's "Amit Shah promised me..." statements, I would hope the Mahayuti constituents internally have a clear written declaration signed by the three leaders about how the CM post would be decided.

Yes, given the election result a BJP CM + 2 dipty CMs is the right way to go.

[KL Dubey]

Better news on MH from TOI:

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 740969.cms

It looks like Shinde is a reasonable guy. This will further show Thakre in a very poor light.

[chetak]

Better news on MH from TOI:

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 740969.cms

It looks like Shinde is a reasonable guy. This will further show Thakre in a very poor light./quote]






Dubey ji,

whatever made you say that ... he was hell bent on the CM's gaddi once again and made all out efforts to retain it and many such efforts were not "alliance friendly" to say the least


It was a hobson's choice after he was completely and comprehensively out manoeuvred and outgunned.


the BJP has learned its lesson well in MAH and will not repeat past mistakes


The BJP has been the single largest party even in the earlier two elections it fought under Devendra Fadnavis / Modi ji and that too without having an organic and in house maratha leader of its own. And each time it has successively won (three times now) > 100 seats under the local leadership of Devendra Fadnavis. BTW, the last time any political party crossed 100 seats in any MAH election was way back in 1991. One of these recent elections was fought alone by the BJP sans allies, and they still got >100 seats.

The BJP emerged the single largest party with 132 seats, surpassing its last two scores of 122 in 2014 and 105 in 2019. This is the peak BJP performance in Maharashtra with a strike rate of more than 85% — highest among all alliance partners as well as the Opposition.

No opposition party can even send a candidate of theirs to the RS on their own, and nor can any of their leaders even become the LOP because of their low numbers


To date, Devendra Fadnavis may well be the most capable and popular CM that MAH has had so far, and he has the firm support of the top bosses both from dilli and nagpur


Forget the party, the public would have revolted violently if Devendra Fadnavis had been bypassed again for any reason whatsoever


Thanks to Devendra Fadnavis, the BJP has silent supporters among the independents, as well as, in all the opposition parties (whom they have quietly funded, as well as, supported). The Fadnavis led BJP can weather any storm created by malcontents


And the MAH politicos have all seen what happens to people who mess with Devendra Fadnavis. just ask the onions and penguins

[chetak]

Shinde would have been happy continue as Deputy CM today, had he been kept as Deputy CM in 2022.

The present discord in Mahayuti is an outcome of the BJP's excessive generosity in 2022

[chetak]

The Congress’ latest resolution is a textbook example of “Sweet wins are ours, but bitter losses are the EVM’s fault.”

If Priyanka ji and Hemant ji emerge victorious, the EVMs are flawless. But if the Congress party faces defeat in Haryana or Maharashtra, those same EVMs are suddenly ‘rigged.’

Even Congress’ senior leaders must be shaking their heads at the absurdity of this argument!

[chetak]

Lame attempt by @pawarspeaks to drive a wedge in the opponent camp

Sharad Pawar : "Voters polarised due to UP CM Yogi Adityanath's Batenge Toh Katenge slogan."

Sharad Pawar hates Devendra so much that even here he won’t give credit of victory to Devendra. The slogan was the amplifier for the tremendous groundwork and fielding by MH-BJP where Pawar was outmanoeuvred.

So he is crediting the victory to slogan of Yogi.

Classic Pawar - sowing dissent always.

Next he will start taunting Eknath and Shivsena that they will have to be subservient to a Brahmin.

Sharad Pawar says : "Voters polarised due to UP CM Yogi Adityanath's Batenge Toh Ka**tenge slogan."

Sharad Pawar indirectly acknowledges Hindu Unity in Maharashtra elections

He refuses to blame EVMs. He said Women turnout helped Mahayuti. I will still be in active politics

"No qualms in accepting Ajit Pawar got more seats in Maharashtra polls, but everyone knows who is the NCP founder" - SHARAD PAWAR

[chetak]

Caretaker CM Eknath Shinde told BJP leadership that they are not too keen on Fadnavis being the Maharashtra Chief Minister as per report.

Shinde claims giving top state post to Fadnavis, a Brahmin would again upset Maratha community.


So finally shinde bhau has come out in his true colours ...

[Tanaji]

Saar, in Maharashtra 90% of the media report fake news. Even newspapers are on this bandwagon and think they need to compete with news channels on masala…

A more simpler explanation is that they are waiting for month of Margashirsh to get over…its as good as explanation as above

[chetak]

Saar, in Maharashtra 90% of the media report fake news. Even newspapers are on this bandwagon and think they need to compete with news channels on masala…

A more simpler explanation is that they are waiting for month of Margashirsh to get over…its as good as explanation as above

Tanaji saar,


The word is that due to the oncoming municipal elections, the dilli leadership has been convinced that a maratha leader is the safest way to go but it may not be filled from among the allies and they are looking at sourcing from an inhouse organic wellspring. There are some 2 tier probables, failing which, Modi ji, in his usual style may well spring a complete surprise.


The BJP will not shed any of the heavy weight ministries. They are fearful of scams done by others which will definitely come back to haunt them politically

The $hinde group wants the "bihar model" to be implemented by the BJP in MAH and that is why they are in a sulk.

[Tanaji]

Chetak saar,

One thing I dont understand or I am too naive: one would think that who becomes CM, who gets what ministry would be one of the first things that you would do in pre-election alliance talks. When BalT was around the formula was who gets the most seats gets CM, which his son roundly turned back on when he couldn't get seats and the rest is history. Given all that, shouldn't all this be fixed before hand?

[KL Dubey]

Saar, in Maharashtra 90% of the media report fake news. Even newspapers are on this bandwagon and think they need to compete with news channels on masala…

A more simpler explanation is that they are waiting for month of Margashirsh to get over…its as good as explanation as above

Yes, its best to wait for new developments. There is too much manufactured news coming from random "sources" who are not privy to the actual decision-making process. Not worth constructing speculations based on that.

As of now, the available "official" announcements are:

- Shinde is sick with a respiratory infection...possibly the Delhi air got him.
- A meeting is slated for Sunday Dec 1 in person or virtually to determine portfolios.
- Dec 5 is the swearing in of new MH sarkar, Modi will be attending.

My opinion is that the BJP CM + 2 dipty CM formula is final and has been decided by Shah and Modi. The fact that the latter is attending is a good sign.

[KL Dubey]

Better news on MH from TOI:

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 740969.cms

It looks like Shinde is a reasonable guy. This will further show Thakre in a very poor light./quote]


Dubey ji,

whatever made you say that ... he was hell bent on the CM's gaddi once again and made all out efforts to retain it and many such efforts were not "alliance friendly" to say the least

I said that because I too am a reasonable guy and I know what that means.

In politics, here it means respecting the people's verdict/mandate, not "undying love and brotherhood among allies" nor "my daddy told me on deathbed that I must become CM".

If the results were 90/40/30 instead of 132/57/41, he would certainly have a better bargaining power and I would expect him to use it. No need for outrage here.

As several seasoned commentators have explained - and I have posted in detail before - the SS has potential to become the next "palturam" party after JDU. The question earlier was which SS faction would come out on top first - it was unclear due to the muddled results of the LS 2024. In light of the VS results, it seems SS-UBT is all but finished and it is the SS (Shinde) that is the real one. BJP will certainly need to manage the SS in future.

Things will become easier now that the so-called "chanakya" has been checkmated, and upon his departure from the scene there will be further realignments.

[chetak]

Chetak saar,

One thing I dont understand or I am too naive: one would think that who becomes CM, who gets what ministry would be one of the first things that you would do in pre-election alliance talks. When BalT was around the formula was who gets the most seats gets CM, which his son roundly turned back on when he couldn't get seats and the rest is history. Given all that, shouldn't all this be fixed before hand ?

That was the plan, Tanaji saar.


until someone got greedy and his team started demanding the implementation of the "bihar model" in MAH


the same thing was tried by the penguin, with the onions him cheering on in the background and they succeeded for a short while until karma caught up with them.


This time the principal player was armoured up and had also weaponized his silent support base even before the formation of the govt was discussed. DF has been the architect of this insurance scheme. He is greatly feared by the opposition who know what he is capable of.


The results were astounding because the revdi cash guarantee was seen as being backed by DF and Modi ji. No one doubts this team in MAH, not even the opposition and the batenge to katenge message was both devastatingly simple while resonating at a civilizational level and, at the same time, it is extremely hard hitting. This slogan has been a game changer, powerful enough to wake up the usually somnolent Sanatani because it sums up the last 1400 - 1500+ years of our civilizational decline


All such govt formation discussions are held behind closed doors, so very little gets out in the public domain or can be verified by the aam janatha. Net net, in the end, it gets reduced to he said, she said

[chetak]

I said that because I too am a reasonable guy and I know what that means.

In politics, here it means respecting the people's verdict/mandate, not "undying love and brotherhood among allies" nor "my daddy told me on deathbed that I must become CM".

If the results were 90/40/30 instead of 132/57/41, he would certainly have a better bargaining power and I would expect him to use it. No need for outrage here.

As several seasoned commentators have explained - and I have posted in detail before - the SS has potential to become the next "palturam" party after JDU. The question earlier was which SS faction would come out on top first - it was unclear due to the muddled results of the LS 2024. In light of the VS results, it seems SS-UBT is all but finished and it is the SS (Shinde) that is the real one. BJP will certainly need to manage the SS in future.

Things will become easier now that the so-called "chanakya" has been checkmated, and upon his departure from the scene there will be further realignments.

Dubey ji,

the other maratha leaders do not want this guy ES to be made the cm, this coterie has networked members from all parties in MAH including the BJP and there is also a circle in the BJP that is opposed to DF becoming the CM and this circle also has plugged in supporters from all parties in MAH. They fear that ES, who is considered by them as an upstart, will out grow all of them, if allowed a free run and that is exactly what ES intends to do. When he first started to spread his political wings, he was solidly backed by the BJP and that factor gave him both legitimacy and protection. At the end of the rainbow, for ES, is the status of political royalty that he does not have at this time and perhaps a dynasty that he plans to establish and nurture, like so many of the others.


There is a long standing, very powerful, and very well established group of 99 families that has always looked out for each other across party lines. But even they were and are unable to handle DF and Modi ji. It would be unwise for any politician to ignore the power of bloodlines and gloss over the awareness that tribal affiliations cannot be over looked.

No one has been checkmated. The onions are already regrouping and rearming, and they have dynasties to tend to

[KL Dubey]

Two news items:

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 866839.cms

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 830255.cms

I could gather the following useful info:

- Shinde says he gave unconditional support to BJP leadership to make decision on CM
- BJP indicates it will be likely Farnavis for CM

The rest of the "suspense" drama seems to be just random SS MLAs fueling the media to manufacture news. One never knows, but it is a waste of time discussing this stuff. We will know by Dec 2/3 at latest.

[KL Dubey]

the other maratha leaders do not want this guy ES to be made the cm, this coterie has networked members from all parties in MAH including the BJP and there is also a circle in the BJP that is opposed to DF becoming the CM and this circle also has plugged in supporters from all parties in MAH. They fear that ES, who is considered by them as an upstart, will out grow all of them, if allowed a free run and that is exactly what ES intends to do. When he first started to spread his political wings, he was solidly backed by the BJP and that factor gave him both legitimacy and protection. At the end of the rainbow, for ES, is the status of political royalty that he does not have at this time and perhaps a dynasty that he plans to establish and nurture, like so many of the others.


There is a long standing, very powerful, and very well established group of 99 families that has always looked out for each other across party lines. But even they were and are unable to handle DF and Modi ji. It would be unwise for any politician to ignore the power of bloodlines and gloss over the awareness that tribal affiliations cannot be over looked.

No one has been checkmated. The onions are already regrouping and rearming, and they have dynasties to tend to

This is known ("caste" dynamics in all states of Bharat), but at this point things are down to the election results and the key contributors to those results. I agree, "anything can happen" in the next 2 days.....Modi can still spring his own surprise pick if some media fellows are to be believed.

BJP and SS sarkars in MH (including the UBT ch*tiyapa period) have never had a Maratha as a first-choice CM. Both Rane and Shinde "filled in" after resignations of Joshi (brahman) and Thakre (kayastha).

[Cyrano]

Funny we are discussing future CM's caste again. What happened to "batange tho katange" and "Ek hain tho safe hain" in a span of a few days!!!

[chetak]

How the media sets a narrative.

[chetak]

The rallying cry and civilizational catchphrase "बंटोगे तो कटोगे" has cut deeply into the narrative of the wokes, congis, liberandus and urban naxals.

"Hindus should remain divided in castes, that is their identity.

Calls for Hindus to develop a united group consciousness is a political project (of BJP)"

- Swami Avimukteshwaranand, who claims to be a 'Shankaracharya' & wants Article 370 restored

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[Vayutuvan]

One never knows, but it is a waste of time discussing this stuff. We will know by Dec 2/3 at latest.

As usual, another vacuous statement. We will always know at some point of time in the future,hain jee?!!!

[KL Dubey]

Funny we are discussing future CM's caste again. What happened to "batange tho katange" and "Ek hain tho safe hain" in a span of a few days!!!

I mentioned the past, not the future.

Jati is not a taboo. Jatis are the interwoven threads of our millennia-old lineages. We can and must be united as one fabric with multiple threads. Modi and Yogi et al are asking for such unity, not some kind of melting pot muddled society. People are beginning to understand this and voting accordingly.

[chetak]

Bharat had a Varnashram of four professions - educators, police & military, farmers & traders, and workers.

A sweeper became an educator, Rishi Valmiki.


"बंटोगे तो कटोगे" has had a deep impact on the congi sponsored, commie and naxal protected BIF anti national agenda, including the conversion agenda


these guys are now slithering out of the woodwork, in a desperate effort to preserve their sickular fiefdoms and meagre political domains while hoping to garner increased social relevance, which they hope leads to a seat in the parliament

They also need to sing loudly for their supper in order to retain the abrahamic patronage that sustains them in their lavish life style that they have become accustomed to ...

[KL Dubey]

^This is in english. The use of the word "caste". What did this chap say in hindi? Varna or jati? The two are totally different.

There is no "jati dharma" in sanatana. This is a foreign plant used to divide hindus and disturb our fabric.

Jatis can remain distinct but unified in
political and social consciousness.

[chetak]

Funny we are discussing future CM's caste again. What happened to "batange tho katange" and "Ek hain tho safe hain" in a span of a few days!!!

Cyrano ji,


Here, they have slyly weaponized caste as a toolkit, and it is being deliberately used in this specific case to try and cut fadnavis down to size and ultimately scuttle his candidature for cm, thus opening up opportunities for themselves. The marathas in the BJP are also hoping that this play improves their own chances of climbing the greasy pole and so have made their own overtures to position themselves advantageously should things go pear shaped.

if kayasths like the penguin can become the CM and no one had / has anything to say about it, then it speaks volumes about the political acceptability of non marathas as CMs, meaning caste is no barrier at all, until someone / some group with an agenda wilfully makes it so for selfish and opportunistic reasons

As a enlightened administrator, and astute politician, DF is cut from a very different cloth and that is why he is being opposed so vehemently. He cannot be controlled by these entrenched and tribally affiliated forces that wear and flaunt their castes on their sleeve. He has a very different nationalistic ecosystem to which he is answerable. These tribally connedted guys need for the cm to either be a puppet or a puppet master, especially one who comes from one of these very same entrenched groups, one who knows all the unwritten rules and will uphold them ... such that the flow of money into their coffers continues uninterrupted ... allowing then to distribute money, patronage and some of the spoils so as to maintain their preeminent statures as power brokers

this entrenched and established extractive ecosystem greatly fears and rightly so, that their long established corrupt fiefdoms will be swept away by the BJP tsunami under the DF dispensation

The guys who are delaying the formation of the govt and raising infructuous objections are no saints.

If the seat numbers had been reversed, the sena would not have even entertained any discussions on who would be the CM. They would simply have steamrollered their way into the cm's gaddi. But now they cannot be seen as the villains betraying the BJP once again and for the very same reason that the penguins committed political hara kiri

BTW, for the first time in recent MAH politics, the onions have become utterly irrelevant

[chetak]

Official invitation card of swearing-in ceremony with Devendra Fadnavis mentioned as Chief Minister of Maharashtra released by state government.







(Pic: Team of Devendra Fadnavis)

[KL Dubey]

As expected, it is Farnavis - the real chanakya of MH - back as CM. NCP and SS in supporting role only. Both Pawar and Shinde will take oaths as dipty CM.

The so-called "drama" peddled by news media is originating from random statements mainly by SS MLAs not connected with the decision-making. Some initial proposals/negotiations/portfolio discussions would have naturally taken place, but to give this a "dramatic twist" is a waste of time for all except for the news outlets.

Let's hope for a productive 5 years for MH now.

[chetak]

two BIF funded and soreass backed politicos in India .....