Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

John Snow · Post by **John Snow** » 31 Jul 2009 13:37

Looks Like Somanath is experienced ( like Jimmy Hendrix album). Surely he must have exchanged a few fake notes and now is Million air?

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Synopsis:

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Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 31 Jul 2009 13:38

somnath wrote:^^^ Given its OT, my last post on the topic...

Currency notes are a medium of exchange of goods and services - it can be anything, even a piece of stone as long as all economic agents agree to that..

the real intention behind fake currency is to somehow wreck monetary stability in the country - its mighty diffuclt to do, in fact impossibel for a coun try like ours..There is no "stealing" of anything here - you can only steal real goods and services...

the real threat is in terms of the fake currecny being used for terrorist operations - so it is a threat, but not an economic one...

Are you willing to accept your whole salary in fake notes? if yes, then ok and if not why not? This should answer your question.

somnath · Post by **somnath** » 31 Jul 2009 13:42

Cost of printing ccy notes.

http://www.fas.org/irp/gao/ggd98008.htm

if the Federal
Reserve were to decide to destroy all 217.6 million of the $50 notes
and replace them, it would cost approximately $7.2 million for
printing replacement notes plus an additional $360,000 to destroy the
notes at the Federal Reserve banks and BEP and to ship the
replacement notes.

about 8 million dollars for about 11 billion dollars worth...about 0.07%

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 31 Jul 2009 13:44

somnath wrote:Cost of printing ccy notes.

http://www.fas.org/irp/gao/ggd98008.htm

if the Federal
Reserve were to decide to destroy all 217.6 million of the $50 notes
and replace them, it would cost approximately $7.2 million for
printing replacement notes plus an additional $360,000 to destroy the
notes at the Federal Reserve banks and BEP and to ship the
replacement notes.
about 8 million dollars for about 11 billion dollars worth...about 0.07%

what are you trying to show by putting some other countries currency costs? Btw, are you or are you not willing to accept your salary in fake notes?

John Snow · Post by **John Snow** » 31 Jul 2009 13:50

The word "stupid"gained lot of currency of late.

Most stupid argument ever.

Cost of printing is different from

The Promisery note ( the currency note) legal tender.

At this rate give me a five dollar bill ( not fake , I can get arrested) I will give you 21 cents which is cost of printing it.

Reminds me of a quote that I memorised while in Engineering school from dictionary of quotations and proverbs.

"Better untaught than ill taught "

thats it final answer

somnath · Post by **somnath** » 31 Jul 2009 13:58

^^^ This is the Pak thread..not an economics one..SO I will stop posting on this topic anymore..

Suffice to say that some people argue to death things that they neither understand nor are relevant to the moot point...

The point was whether the fake notes are a serious threat to making India's situation like Zim's....the logical answer is no...soemthing like that is impossible to pull off for a country as large as India's in econ terms...

Rest - ATMs, recording, cost of printing ccy etc are technical matters that can be discussed in anotehr thread if someone wishes...

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 31 Jul 2009 14:01

somnath wrote:^^^ This is the Pak thread..not an economics one..SO I will stop posting on this topic anymore..

Suffice to say that some people argue to death things that they neither understand nor are relevant to the moot point...

The point was whether the fake notes are a serious threat to making India's situation like Zim's....the logical answer is no...soemthing like that is impossible to pull off for a country as large as India's in econ terms...

Rest - ATMs, recording, cost of printing ccy etc are technical matters that can be discussed in anotehr thread if someone wishes...

admins, Please excuse me for this point less post, as I couldnt resist laughing at this fine example of downhill skiing.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 31 Jul 2009 14:34

I declare somanth to be the newest addition to Rahul Mehta league on BRF.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 31 Jul 2009 14:58

somnath wrote: the real intention behind fake currency is to somehow wreck monetary stability in the country - its mighty diffuclt to do, in fact impossibel for a coun try like ours..There is no "stealing" of anything here - you can only steal real goods and services...

Somnath, you are wrong there. Try a thought experiment: Suppose you print a fake note and then buy an ice cream and eat it. Now, who has paid for the ice cream?

As per your (imho incorrect) claim, if and when the forgery is detected, RBI will swap the fake note for a real one. But even otherwise, the number of notes in circulation has increased. This necessarily involves dilution of the value of each note.

Thus, when a new rupee is printed, it reduces the value of the rupee in my wallet by something. Thus, counterfeiting is theft from the entire population of the country. By the way, ravi_ku, the cost of printing is not such an important issue - even if the cost of printing were zero, there still is devaluation of existing notes.

Anyway, that's my last post on this topic.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 31 Jul 2009 16:13

Man bites Dog

Lawyers attack newsmen in LaWhore

(T)he lawyers were incensed by television channels’ reporting of an incident a day earlier which had projected black coats humiliating and beating up a policeman in uniform at the same courts.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 31 Jul 2009 16:16

Militants kidnap 10 FC men in NWA

Friday, July 31, 2009

PESHAWAR/MIRAMSHAH: Dozens of Taliban militants attacked the British-era Girdi Rogha Fort on the Esha-Razmak Road in North Waziristan Agency on Tuesday night and kidnapped 10 soldiers of the Shawal Rifles, a wing of the paramilitary Frontier Corps (FC).

Ahmadullah Ahmadi, a spokesman for North Waziristan Taliban commander Hafiz Gul Bahadur, however claimed that their fighters had kidnapped 20 soldiers.The Pakistan Army spokesman and ISPR Director General Maj Gen Athar Abbas denied the reports.

“That is not correct. Had anything happened, I would have the knowledge

,” he added.Official sources told The News that dozens of Taliban militants attacked the historic fort with heavy weapons, including rocket-propelled grenades and AK-47 assault rifles.

An official based in Mirali told The News on condition of anonymity that the militants attacked a post which was established for the protection of the fort

. He said the militants had taken away 10 soldiers of the Shawal Rifles and the authorities were clueless about their whereabouts.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 31 Jul 2009 16:19

Lawyers thrash two journalists on court premises

LAHORE: In another episode of lawyers’ violence, a reporter and a cameraman of a private TV channel were made hostage and thrashed by the lawyers in sessions court for making footage of lawyers while beating an ASI of Nishtar Colony Police Station

two days ago.

Rishi · Post by **Rishi** » 31 Jul 2009 16:33

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English - Urdu transliteration tool. useful fer many many things

Rishi · Post by **Rishi** » 31 Jul 2009 16:48

Can anyone open this?

http://world.kbs.co.kr/english/news/new ... m?No=65479

About NoKo embassy in Pak used for smuggling

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 31 Jul 2009 16:53

Rishi wrote:http://www.google.com/transliterate/indic/Urdu

English - Urdu transliteration tool. useful fer many many things

How to translate Urdu to English ?

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 31 Jul 2009 16:54

Rishi wrote:Can anyone open this?

http://world.kbs.co.kr/english/news/new ... m?No=65479

About NoKo embassy in Pak used for smuggling

‘NK Embassy in Pakistan Involved in Smuggling’
2009-07-31 17:50:28
Pakistani media have reported on the local North Korean embassy’s alleged involvement in smuggling and illegal exchange of foreign currency.

The Karachi-based Daily Sharafat Karachi said local intelligence authorities reported to Pakistan’s Foreign Ministry that some of North Korean's embassies and legations abroad were involved in smuggling and illegal foreign exchange transactions.

The intelligence report claimed Pyongyang’s embassy and its economy and trade mission conspired with local smugglers to illegally import liquor and other items from various locations including Dubai.

It said containers disguised as diplomatic pouches for the contraband items and that local customs agents were also involved.

The Pakistani foreign minister has called on the Karachi customs and the intelligence agency for a thorough investigation into the matter.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 31 Jul 2009 16:57

shravan wrote:
Rishi wrote:http://www.google.com/transliterate/indic/Urdu

English - Urdu transliteration tool. useful fer many many things
How to translate Urdu to English ?

Look at the top right corner, and you will see these golden words

Toggle between English and Urdu using Ctrl + g

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 31 Jul 2009 16:58

krishnan wrote:
Look at the top right corner, and you will see these golden words

Toggle between English and Urdu using Ctrl + g

Thanks. I forgot to download the font...

Not Working....

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 31 Jul 2009 17:19

Infosys gets CISF sover

Why am I posting the above seemingly innocuous news item in the TSP thread ?

Just a few weeks before 26/11, there was a gaming exercise in Washington D.C. in which retired Indian and Pakistani army officials and also some civilians participated. In response to an Indian attack, the Pakistanis gamed that they would send their F-16s to Bangalore and send Infosys up into smoke. The surprised Indian team were later explained to by the Pakis in all seriousness. They said that Infosys had become an Indian icon and Pakistan symbolically wanted to eliminate that symbol. A few days later, Hamid Gul said exactly the same thing in an interview.

Increased protection to Infosys has not come a day sooner especially as the Pakistani threats are becoming more voluble after S-e-S.

Rishi · Post by **Rishi** » 31 Jul 2009 17:22

Wuz this posted? Any other such reports?

Many Christian Children, Women Burnt to Death in Pakistan

Thu, Jul. 30, 2009 Posted: 05:37 PM EDT

Many Christians are reportedly burnt to death when a Muslim mob sets on fire dozens of Christian homes on Thursday night for harbouring a Christian boy whom they accused had torn down pages of Quran, the Muslim Holy Book.

“Muslim attackers set on fire about 40 Christian homes in Korian village, Toba Tek district in Punjab Province on Thursday night, many including Christian children and women are feared burnt to death,” Pakistan Christian Post reported.

Sources in Toba Tek district, which is also the district headquarter told Pakistan Christian Post (PCP) that on Sunday night Muslims were searching for one boy in a a large gathering of a Christian wedding ceremony; they accused that the boy accused had burnt down pages of the Koran (Quran) – the Holy Book of Muslims.

Though the Christian and Muslim elders in the village defused the tension on clarification of the Christian youth that he had not burnt pages of the Quran, the Muslim mob came back on Thursday night at 9:00 p.m. calling upon the Korian Muslims from Mosque’s loudspeakers asking them to gather and teach a lesson to “infidel Christians” who they said are protecting a boy accused of blasphemy on burning the holy pages of Quran.

The sources said the nearby villages also made same announcements from mosques and Muslims gathered before homes of Christians in large numbers.

Shouting “Allah Oh Akbar,” – Allah is great - “Kill infidels” and the Muslim mob started setting on fire homes of Christians. As it was night, the Christian children, women and men with fear locked their doors to hide inside and many are feared death inside their homes, sourced told PCP.

PCP said when news of attack on Christians came to the District Police Officer in Toba Tek, he ordered deployment of police and Fire Brigade but Muslim mob blocked roads by lying on road.

It is second incident of burning homes of Christian in Punjab province when Muslim mob on accusation of blasphemy attacked village Bahamin Wala in district Kasur on July 1, 2009;, at that time no lost of lives was reported unlike this time.

According to Pakistan electronic media, Chief Minister of Punjab has ordered District Police Officer of Toba Tek to reach to village Korian and take control of situation but still Faisalabad-Gojra Road is blocked by Muslim mob who are lying on road to block any help to reach village Korian where homes of Christians are burning.

The teams of Centre for Legal Aid Assistance and Settlement (CLAAS), and Sharing Life Ministry Pakistan (SLMP), Christian advocacy groups have left Lahore for Toba Tek after call from Christians in Gojra who are also hiding in homes on fear of attack by Muslims, the report said.

CLAAS Director Joseph Francis and SLMP Chief Sohail Johnson told PCP that they are on the way to Gojra to reach Village Korian and it will take 4 hours because of bad weather.

PCP reported that there is widespread fear among Christians in Punjab province on their safety and security from an attacks of extremist Muslims and misuse of blasphemy laws.

PCP said the details are awaited of this barbaric incident of burning of children, women and men in homes by Muslims as the teams of SLMP and CLASS approach the scene of the incident. The two teams are expected to give more detail on the incident.

rkirankr · Post by **rkirankr** » 31 Jul 2009 17:23

SSridhar wrote:Infosys gets CISF sover

Why am I posting the above seemingly innocuous news item in the TSP thread ?

Just a few weeks before 26/11, there was a gaming exercise in Washington D.C. in which retired Indian and Pakistani army officials and also some civilians participated. In response to an Indian attack, the Pakistanis gamed that they would send their F-16s to Bangalore and send Infosys up into smoke. The surprised Indian team were later explained to by the Pakis in all seriousness. They said that Infosys had become an Indian icon and Pakistan symbolically wanted to eliminate that symbol. A few days later, Hamid Gul said exactly the same thing in an interview.

Increased protection to Infosys has not come a day sooner especially as the Pakistani threats becoming more voluble after S-e-S.

Let us hope atleast now Narayana murthy will allow singing of national anthem

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 31 Jul 2009 17:44

Apparently, only Pakiban are being hunted by Puki's, Afghaniban are being left completely alone according to reports.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 31 Jul 2009 17:45

granted that bangalore is a major target, but for pak-e-jernails to speculate that they can send F16's all that way down south without air air refueling and a defended airspace is hashish smoking of the highest order...

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 31 Jul 2009 17:59

Lalmohan, we know that it was impossible. That's besides the point. It is the symbolism that matters. It falls in the same category as flying green flag of Pakistan atop Red Fort, laying claim to the Peacock Throne etc.

Rishi · Post by **Rishi** » 31 Jul 2009 19:25

XXX-post

US DoD report on Af-Pak

http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/pdfs/12 ... 9Final.pdf

Progress toward Security and Stability in Afghanistan

June 2009
Report to Congress in accordance with the 2008 National Defense Authorization Act

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 31 Jul 2009 19:53

A JDAM attack is certainly possible. That is the only way that pakistan can ever deliver nukes into India in any reasonable manner. Thus the importance of the LET sea wing.
Mumbai 26/11 seems like a dry run to verify that it is possible for a group to cause mayhem and distract while the bum goes off somewhere else.
It doesn't look possible that a C-130 or a F-16 block 15 or a Rose Mirage will ever reach a major indian city beyond the border belt and that too with a nuke.

Rohit_K · Post by **Rohit_K** » 31 Jul 2009 20:00

pgbhat wrote:Gilani promises 100 percent literacy rate in 10 years

...and this is their state of education right now --> Video

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 31 Jul 2009 20:04

Supreme Court declares Nov. 3, 2007 'Emergency within Emergency' as Illegal

Supreme Court Friday declared the November 3 measures adopted by former President Pervez Musharraf as extra-judicial, illegal and unconstitutional.

A 14-member larger bench headed by Chief Justice of Pakistan Justice Iftikhar Muhammed Chaudhry heard the constitutional petitions regarding PCO judges, appointments of judges of higher judiciary and November 3, 2007 steps.

The verdict said that sacking of the judges was illegal and unconstitutional. Article 279 of the Constitution was violated on November 3, 2007, it said.

The Supreme Court termed the steps taken on November 3, 2007 as null and void.

The apex court completed the hearing of the constitutional petitions regarding November 3 measures and the appointments of judges of higher judiciary on Friday; the verdict was held back to be announced at 3pm after Friday prayers.

Earlier during the hearing today, Chief Justice of Pakistan Justice Iftikhar Muhammed Chaudhry said he will not pass such a verdict as will trigger chaos in the country.

While giving arguments at the court, the Attorney General said the verdict should be such that it does not harm the system; thereupon, the CJ queried him about the ‘system’ and that the president, premier, parliament and provincial assemblies are the only constituents of the system.

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 31 Jul 2009 20:13

SSridhar wrote:Infosys gets CISF sover

Why am I posting the above seemingly innocuous news item in the TSP thread ?

Just a few weeks before 26/11, there was a gaming exercise in Washington D.C. in which retired Indian and Pakistani army officials and also some civilians participated. In response to an Indian attack, the Pakistanis gamed that they would send their F-16s to Bangalore and send Infosys up into smoke. The surprised Indian team were later explained to by the Pakis in all seriousness. They said that Infosys had become an Indian icon and Pakistan symbolically wanted to eliminate that symbol. A few days later, Hamid Gul said exactly the same thing in an interview.

Increased protection to Infosys has not come a day sooner especially as the Pakistani threats are becoming more voluble after S-e-S.

I am glad to see the Pakis doing their bit to help awaken sleeping Indians. The ex-chairman of Infy wanted to avoid any confrontation with TSP during Op Parakaram so that the growth of Indian businesses would not be hampered. He did his best to stop GoI from tackling TSPA. Now it is the same TSPA which wants to target his company and its employees. Karma truly is a she-dog and no good deed goes unpunished.

The desire of Indian thought/business leaders to accumlate the almighty Rupeeya at the cost of ignoring the security of the matrubhoomi will one day bite us all in our behind. Jaago aur Sungo yeh Kaafee.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 31 Jul 2009 21:27

somnath wrote:
csharma wrote:A few years ago some Pakistanis were boasting about being one of the fastest growing economies.

In fact (I think) in 2003, Shaukat Aziz boasted that Pakistan is the fastest growing economcy in South Asia! (which was true for that year, they grew faster than India in 2002-03)...

They had some good things going for them during the middle stages of the Musharraf era - a lot of private foreign investment from the Middle East..But they have been shown their place now..

Reminds me of my high school botany teacher.

Parent meets him during parent teacher meeting, the teacher tells the parent "your son is doing badly, unless he improves substantially, he might even fail the finals"
Parent yells back "What do you mean ? He did about 100% better in the half yearly when compared to the quarterly exams"
He had scored a 5 on 100 in the quarterly and 10 on 100 in half yearly

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 31 Jul 2009 23:17

This is an interesting show (Mere Mutabik) with Dr. Shahid Massod, who is known UK chamcha.

In this show he is trying is level best to find a fig deal, finding a precedent by comparing Nov3, 2007 marshall law with 1977 marshalla imposed by Zia and some of perpetrators still running scotfree.

This also features Hamid Gul who is quite vociforeous about Mushy getting hanged.

http://www.pkaffairs.com/playshow.asp?pageId=4642

Must watch for serious pak observers.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 01 Aug 2009 00:06

shiv wrote: "The Pakistanis have moved a very large number of troops from their eastern border to their western border.

Pak moves troops away from India to take on Taliban
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The troop redeployment looks like the first significant thinning out of the Pakistan Army from its front with India.

Pakistan is reported to have pulled out at least 70,000 army troopers deployed against India for an offensive against the Taliban on its western side.

Interestingly the announcement was made by the US.

Holbrooke termed it "a significant redeployment" involving a "very large number of troops".

Intelligence agencies indicate that Pakistan has since March trebled the number of Army troops deployed in its troubled North-Western Frontier Province and Waziristan.

The number now stands at approximately 1,00,000 and perhaps the most symbolic movement is that of a brigade along the Line of Control.

Pakistan had insisted earlier that there would be no thinning out from its side of Jammu and Kashmir.

Intelligence inputs suggest that the Pakistan Army's 14 Division has been moved out of Okhara in Punjab and it's 37 Division has been pulled out of Gujaranwala.

Even a part of Jhelum-based 23 Division, including its Headquarters, has been shifted to Pakistan's Wild West.

The number of Army battalions in the NWFP and tribal areas has been increased from 18 to 80.

But a big majority of Pakistan's 6,00,000-strong Army as also its entire strategic capability is still ranged against India.

So, its makes very little difference on the India-Pak frontier.

Observers see a US push in this development.

They are also linking the redeployment to the Indian climb-down at Sharm-el-Sheikh and the controversial inclusion of Balochistan in the joint statement with Pakistan.

The redeployment is seen as preparation for an offensive against Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud in South Waziristan.

So, is Pakistan finally walking the talk?

It's commitment to take on the Taliban, which it fathered, is clearly on test.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 01 Aug 2009 01:05

Satya_anveshi wrote:This is an interesting show (Mere Mutabik) with Dr. Shahid Massod, who is known UK chamcha.

In this show he is trying is level best to find a fig deal, finding a precedent by comparing Nov3, 2007 marshall law with 1977 marshalla imposed by Zia and some of perpetrators still running scotfree.

This also features Hamid Gul who is quite vociforeous about Mushy getting hanged.
http://www.pkaffairs.com/playshow.asp?pageId=4642

Now this is even more interesting. Dr Sahid Masood talks about Pakistan's new budget.

Watch what Hasan Nisar has to say about pakistan's future.

The moderator asks, "Aap ko lagta hai ki hukumat sanjeeda hai, ya fir jo bhi hai, jitne din hain silsila kar ke ab niklo" and "Kya 62 saal aur aise hi guzar jayenge?"
Hasan Nisar says "Jab tak chalega aise he chalega."

Also some confessions about operation searchlight of 1971 being admitted from the horse's mouth. Dakha university campus raid.

http://www.pkaffairs.com/playshow.asp?pageId=4016

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 01 Aug 2009 01:39

Normalcy in Swat – myth or reality?
Friday, July 31, 2009

It is both amazing and frustrating to read and hear news of Swat as put out by the government and the ISPR. They say Swat is becoming normal. This I bet will not happen in 50 years. If the prime minister is so satisfied, is it not his duty to visit this part of Pakistan as well. The IDPs did not leave Swat because of the TTP. I was in Swat for months. It was on the orders of the security forces that they left. Orders were given to villagers to vacate their village at once. Knowing that next would come the bombardment they had no alternative but to leave. What normality are the IDPs now returning to? Destroyed homes, no electricity, no gas, and no phones working yet. Also no transport is allowed on the dilapidated roads and one must walk long distances, even if one is over 80 years old like I am -- and above all the never-ending curfew. Foreign visitors should be allowed to visit Swat as tourists to see an area going back to the Stone Age.

It is claimed that Mingora the largest town, has been cleared of terrorists, yet in the same breath it is said the there is trouble at Malukabad, Faizabad, Amankot and Sangota. These four places are not in Waziristan, they are all part of Mingora municipality. Talk to any IDP and they will confirm what I have written.

M Aurangzeb

A forced IDP of Swat

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 01 Aug 2009 01:47

Women's swim team

toba toba...is this really happening?????

archan · Post by **archan** » 01 Aug 2009 02:46

They are not as fair as Pakistani women should be. They look SDRE. I am sure the paper has made a mistake. They don't have burqa, no green caps, no green whatever (sharm sharm

) they are wearing. Their arms are not covered in black and their hair are visible. Definitely not purelanders. No way.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 01 Aug 2009 03:12

The mansion he bought will be put to good use

Pakistan: Musharraf faces exile in UK after court says emergency rule illegal

Pakistan's former military ruler Pervez Musharraf faces an extended exile, possibly in Britain, following a court ruling that has paved the way for a possible – although unlikely – treason prosecution.

Talat Masood, a retired general and former Musharraf confidante, said it was unlikely he would return to Pakistan soon. "He will stay away and the army will advise him to stay away," he said. "I hear he's on a luxury cruise. I think that might be extended for some time."

Some say that Saudis gave him the money to buy the house. If that is the case, the Saudis pretty much own everyone who has levers of power in Pakistan !!

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 01 Aug 2009 03:24

John Snow wrote:Looks Like Somanath is experienced ( like Jimmy Hendrix album). Surely he must have exchanged a few fake notes and now is Million air?

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PSI strongly suggest reading this book

The Ascent of Money by Nial Ferguson

I have a DVD of it, absolutely fantastic.

P.S. enjoyed the discussion around fake notes though, fascinating too

MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 01 Aug 2009 04:14

Pakistan's education

[youtube]NnGpHGNJuiA&feature=related[/youtube]

Well, I don't know what the fuss is. The girl correctly identified the mountain with the bum blast on it. And being required to write something is merely a kaffir conspiracy; they *know* they are Pakistani and that should be more than enough!

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 01 Aug 2009 04:19

Arihant = Djinn Chili Powder in Paki Musharraff , Urgent need for Chinese Coolant

A dangerous neighbourhood?
By Maha. Ass. Niazi

Within this context, it is a safe assumption that India is going for nuclear seagoing capability with American blessings, so anxious is it to make sure that China is contained. The USA is presently following a policy of leaving India to do anything. The nuclear-submarine project, and the Russian involvement in it, was in the USA's knowledge when President Barack Obama invited Indian PM Manmohan Singh to the USA. The US was approving enough for Dr Singh to be at the launch ceremony, which was performed by his wife. This might have been a project with a long gestation period, but Dr Singh's level of participation was patently a recent decision, taken with the US invitation in view. While the US desire to prop up India against China might make it overlook, or rather encourage, Indian nuclear ambitions, its readiness to overlook Pakistani concerns means that there is more to the matter than meets the eye, especially when one considers the US jettisoning of its avowed non-proliferation goals when giving India a civil nuclear deal that it is denying Pakistan.
The USA is enjoying itself. On the one hand, it is building up India as a future counterweight to China, and on the other, it is extracting full cooperation from Pakistan in the War on Terror. The nuclear submarine is symbolic of how the USA is willing to allow India to build itself up, even if it is at the expense of Pakistan. When the USA allowed India to separate East Pakistan by inflicting the 1971 War on Pakistan, the USA was a willing spectator. That separation also had naval implications, for so long as Pakistan remained united, India would never be able to make a lake of the Indian Ocean. It is perhaps symbolic that India still has not made a lake of the Indian Ocean, perhaps because that shows India still clinging to 19th-century naval concepts in the 20th, let alone the 21st. Or perhaps it shows the reality of Indian poverty behind its claims.
While Pakistan having nuclear subs may counter the threat to the Pakistan Navy, it would not automatically provide the Chinese Navy protection, for which it would probably need more guarantees to be given in exchange for the technology transfer. The other option is to engage in a huge national effort, like the nuclear programme. There is the theoretical option of accepting Indian hegemony, which Indians have been angling for, and which the Americans are now supporting. This is the fruit of the War on Terror.
http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... bourhood/1