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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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Neela wrote:Shiv ,

From your post 2 pages back, I think what you mentioned was that TSP can sit idle and simply collect transit fees in strategic routes.
Pardon me for comparing Egypt with TSP but this is purely to give an idea.
Revenue from Suez canal is just not enough for Egypt. It comes to about 3.5-4 Billion a year. For a population of 70 million, that is measly. TSP has more than twice the population and I doubt if the revenues would reach Suez levels.
In fact Neela that was only one para of a longish post.

I had also written (to repeat in brief):
1) The only way for a modern state to develop its economy is via education, industrialization, services and tourism in addition to agriculture.
2) Pipeline/Transit money and US aid or Chin aid will only go to a minority of people
3) Pakistan's long term survival will require integration with the Indian economy.

The elite and army alone survive on aid and transit fees and their survival at the expense of mango Abdul has been encouraged by USA and China. What the floods did was like breaking open a coconut to show waht's insde. The floods showed the number of poor SDREs in Pakistan because Paki elite have fooled the world into thinking that Pakistan is full of Westernised elite or Arabian nights magic. The world does not care about SDREs anywhere.
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Justification for cancellation of Pakistan's sovereign debts
Another issue that was discussed at the Muiden gathering was the burden of debt and the expense of repayments and servicing. Angry at the fact that the monies so urgently needed for the post-floods reconstruction drive were being swallowed up by the black hole of debt, which was mostly accumulated during the tenures of unrepresentative governments, many considered it unjust to be asked to repay the $ 3 billion in annual debt servicing for the accumulated $ 55 billion debt. Azeem Masih was quick to grab a copy of the Bible from the table and began to read from the Book of Deuteronomy: “At the end of every seven years you must cancel debts...” (15:1).{Appealing to Western Christian minds, eh ?}
Mr Khaliq Shah of the Pakistan chapter of Campaign for the Abolition of Third World Debt, while talking to this writer, suggested that in order to avoid a major fiscal disaster, Pakistan’s enormous debt has to be brought onto the agenda of the international money-lending institutions, as well as that of the UN. He said that unless the debt is suspended for at least a period of 50 years or else is rescheduled, Pakistan’s economy is in serious danger of total collapse.
There could not be a better time than now to show how much the West really cares for our people who have endured huge sufferings and losses at the hands of the ambiguous war on terror since 9/11 or even before during the CIA and ISI-sponsored anti-Soviet war of the 1980s. “The fact of the matter is that our people cannot and should not have to carry the burden of a debt that was issued without securing a workable repayment plan that would let them live with dignity. The current fiscal situation ceases to provide a guarantee for a sustainable economy. Hence, the West must address the issue of debt,” demands Mr Shah. “Meanwhile,” he declares, “we have only two choices. We ask the international community to cancel the debt altogether and our appeal falls on deaf ears, so we default with dignity at once and use all recourses available to strengthen our economy as did Argentina, Cuba and others, or else we ready ourselves, as a national entity, to die in disgrace within five years. For both the international community and Pakistan, time is running out.{This is a variation now. Earlier, Pakistan put gun to its own head, then it changed tactic and put gun at the head of international community. Now, it uses both hands to put the gun at both heads simultaneously. There is no option left after this}
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^ When Musharaff became the CEO in 1999, Pakis were celebrating. Now his regime has been classified as "unrepresentative government".
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This 'unrepresentative government' theory is pure bakwaas. The judiciary, of which the present CJI was an important member at that time, recognized his 'takeover' and gave him two years time to conduct elections.

On 12 May 2000, the Supreme Court unanimously rejected a petition (Union Vs. Syed Zafar Ali Shah - PLD 2000 SC 869) challenging the coup and endorsed the coup's legitimacy under the doctrine of State necessity. The Court went on to describe the military take over as an, "extra-constitutional... (step taken by)... the Armed Forces for a transitional period to prevent any further destabilisation" and gave Gen. Musharraf time until Oct. 2002 to restore democracy.

The judiciary similarly justified al the previous military coups. Quranic verses were quoted by one of the learned judges to justify the seizure of power by Gen. Zia, in the case of Begum Nusrat Bhutto Vs. The State. The Court, led by Chief Justice Anwar-ul-Haq, opined that the military regime was a 'phase of constitutional deviation dictated by necessity' . It further said,with reference to Article 6 of the 1973 Constitution that imposed death for high treason such as seizure of power, that “...the impugned action has not been taken under any constitutional provision, but it is the result of an extra-constitutional measure and, therefore, reference to the above constitutional provision is of no consequence.” !! There was no dissenting judgement from a bench of twelve judges. This reasoning really takes the cake. :rotfl:

In fact, the judiciary opined when asked to judge the validity of Ayub Khan’s martial law thus: “where revolution is successful, it satisfies the test of efficacy and becomes a basic law creating fact “. Chief Justice Munir termed the coup as “legalized illegality” and stated, “…victorious revolution or a successful coup d'etat is an internationally recognized legal method of changing a Constitution.” The entire judgement on such an important case ran to a mere six pages. It is possibly not a coincidence that Chief Justice Munir became Pakistan’s ambassador to Japan and then even got a ministership in Ayub’s cabinet.

A similar judgement was delivered by Chief Justice Irshad Hasan Khan to legally uphold the coup of Gen. Pervez Musharraf later on. On the coup within a coup, as it was referred to of the Nov. 3, 2007 proclamation of Emergency by President Gen. Musharraf, the newly constituted Supreme Court {after the dismissal of Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry and other judges who refused to take a new oath under Emergency but had taken oath under the PCO in c. 1999} declared that the PCO and the Oath of Office(Judges) orders “have been validly made by the chief of army staff/ president subject to the condition that the country shall be governed, as nearly as may be, in accordance with the Constitution”. The the Supreme Court, headed by Chief Justice Abdul Hameed Dogar, held that the extra-constitutional measures of November 3, 2007, were taken by the chief of the Army staff in the larger interest of the State necessity and for the welfare of the people under the doctrine of salus populi est suprema lex (Let the welfare of the people be the supreme law).

How can such governments be unrepresentative governments ? Above all, even the mighty US recognized these coups and stood solidly behind all these military rulers. Can there be any appeal after that ?
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chetak wrote:Guys,

Watch NDTV now.

For the first time, the word sunni has been mentioned.

sajjad lone has dismissed shias, ladakhi, pandits, gujjars, bakharwals et al. Says that their say is not important.

Vikram chandra was moderating
Any links saar? What was the name of the show?
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Chandragupta wrote:
chetak wrote:Guys,

Watch NDTV now.

For the first time, the word sunni has been mentioned.

sajjad lone has dismissed shias, ladakhi, pandits, gujjars, bakharwals et al. Says that their say is not important.

Vikram chandra was moderating
Any links saar? What was the name of the show?
The Big Fight
Kashmir issue: Myth vs reality

Published On: September 18, 2010 | Duration: 43 min, 48 sec

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/the-bi ... ity/164450
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Shiv Ji,

Regarding the Economic intigration with India in order to secure the future of TSP population. I think the alternative exists for them to seek intigration with the PRC through the CARs. But that will require them to have common sense. Some thing that we have not seen from them.

Also, with the relative rise in the manufactuing costs in PRC, they can use the TSP as a manufacturing back end. But that will again require foresight from TSP regime. But we know that it will not happen.

So in the end it is only the elites whose economice future is being secured. For the rest of the populatio it is old fashion loot and plunder of "Hindustan" under the leadership of various lashkars. In order to safeguard there future.

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Thirteen more killed in Kurram water dispute

PESHAWAR: A water dispute turned further violent on Sunday when 13 more tribesmen were killed and 15 others injured in fresh clashes between two tribes in Kurram Agency.

So far, the dispute has claimed 115 lives in the last 16 days.

The situation was critical in upper Kurram as rivals were using mortar shells, rocket launches and other heavy weapons during clashes.—DawnNews
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Pratyush wrote:Shiv Ji,

Regarding the Economic intigration with India in order to secure the future of TSP population. I think the alternative exists for them to seek intigration with the PRC through the CARs. But that will require them to have common sense. Some thing that we have not seen from them.
No Pratyush. What you say cannot occur without changes in Pakistan that will take 20-30 years to implement if those changes are implemented from today. I believe you are not looking at the details of the Paki economy, technical workforce and education.

Integration with Indian economy can start from tomorrow because Pakistan's is primarily and agrarian economy that survives off a land mass that was intergrated for centuries in terms of what is grown, when it is grown and how.

But the Pakistan army - that survives on money and support from the USA and China and enjoys goodwill in Pakistan as the protector of Islam and Pakistaniyat from "Hindu India" is the single biggest spoke in the wheel.
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Taliban may have ordered MQM leader's killing in London
The Taliban may have ordered the brutal slaying of prominent Pakistani politician and Muttahida Quami Movement (MQM) leader Imran Farooq in London, a media report said. Daily Mail reported Saturday that the Taliban angle emerged as Scotland Yard's Counter Terrorism Command took charge of the probe from the Murder Squad into the vicious stabbing to death of Farooq outside his home in Edgware Thursday afternoon.
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Pakistan match-fixing claims: South African players concerned about upcoming series
"To say we are reluctant is an understatement," one senior player told Telegraph Sport. "Nobody knows what the hell is going in Pakistani cricket and we feel that playing such a high profile series right now - especially in the middle east - is asking for trouble.
After Saturday's allegations concerning the third one-dayer at The Oval, however, he was forced to admit that even Zimbabwe Cricket, as desperate as it is to shed its pariah status and reacquaint itself with all of the major cricket playing nations, was being forced to "think again" about its offer.
:rotfl: :rotfl:

Paki H&D is receiving some serious thrashing...
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Floods leave Pakistan in dire economic straits
Already dealing with a debt of $55 billion and a stagnant economy, Pakistan must now deal with the costs of relief reconstruction even as the nation's main sector, agriculture, may not recover in time for the crucial fall wheat season.
In affected areas, floodwater has swept away 70% of the roads and bridges. More than 10,000 schools and 500 hospitals have been destroyed :-? or damaged.
It's expected, however, that Pakistan will need even more. Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani recently said the losses from the flooding could reach $43 billion. As borrowing increases, the inflation rate, which before the floods was projected to reach 9.5% in 2011, now is expected to climb as high as 20%. Economic growth is expected to plunge from a projected 4.5% rate this year to 2.5% in 2011.
"Unless the economy really starts growing and exports start moving again, I really don't see us having the capacity to repay this debt," said Pasha, the economist. "So in that sense, we've already reached an unsustainable level of debt, particularly after the floods. I'm not sure we have the capacity to borrow more." or beg more :((
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240 villages in Bhan Saeedabad submerged
JOHI: Floodwaters submerged 240 villages in Bhan Saeedabad on Saturday, washing away railway tracks and more sections of the Indus Highway, as torrents flowed from Manchar Lake and the Main Nara Valley (MNV) drain.
Gushing waters inundated a large part of the Indus Highway from Bhan Saeedabad city to Ural Wah in Sehwan. The water is 10-feet deep and the Shabaz Qalander railway track stands submerged.
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He said that unless the debt is suspended for at least a period of 50 years or else is rescheduled, Pakistan’s economy is in serious danger of total collapse.
will the US do a bailout.

and if a bailout is in the cards, how can the US refuse a bailout of california or other states and US businesses ? surely American states come well ahead of pakistan on the bailout priority list.

interesting times ahead.
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sum wrote:Pakistan match-fixing claims: South African players concerned about upcoming series
"Nobody knows what the hell is going in Pakistani cricket . . . .
It is simple. The Nation is beginning to unravel at the fringes. But the State will not be allowed to go down any time soon because the 3½ cannot let that happen. People have lost hope in the Idea of Pakistan and have begun to have a free for all as the control of the State over the Nation has weakened considerably. Cricket fixing is only symptomatic of this deeper malaise of the hopelessness of the Nation.
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Church burning happening at regular intervals

Miscreants set church on fire in Pakistan
Some miscreants in Shah Latif Town of Pakistan allegedly set a church on fire, fuelling a wave of anger and tension among Christians residing in that area.
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The Scots tycoon drafted in to save flood-hit Pakistan
Scottish multi-millionaire, academic and philanthropist Azeem Ibrahim has been asked by Pakistan to develop economic plans to help the country recover in the wake of the devastating floods there.

And he has been given the backing of the US State Department to carry out the challenge.
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another non-resident non-pakistani-passport multi millionaire financial type drafted in to present the fig leaf of reform and 'westernized govt'. where did that citibank chor disappear to?
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Brutalised society
VIOLENCE is an expected consequence in a society where want and deprivation are the norm. It is not surprising that deteriorating conditions in Pakistan, amongst them spiralling poverty and a worsening security situation, have rendered society brutal to the extreme. It seems that employing violent means comes almost naturally to a citizenry that has witnessed countless atrocities that include mass killings, suicide bombings, lynchings, beheadings and the stringing up of corpses by groups such as the Taliban. While these grim realities can be used as a route to understanding how Pakistanis have become inured to violence, there are many individual cases where the scale of brutality simply beggars belief, and points to the lava that may erupt at any point from the simmering volcano that is Pakistan. One of these was Thursday’s incident in Gujrat, when a man was bludgeoned to death over a minor traffic row. Eyewitnesses say that the victim, Tariq Mahmood, narrowly avoided a collision with a motorbike. An argument ensued after which the bikers, whose apparel indicated their association with the legal fraternity, started hitting the car driver. Mahmood took refuge in his car but the enraged bikers, joined by three of their colleagues, broke the car windows, pulled him out and beat him with bricks until he was dead.
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We, the extremists

Sir: When it comes to celebration, may it be August 14 or winning a Test match, we Pakistanis cross all limits in expressing our emotions and make the winner a national hero. Even at the government level, the president or prime minister make announcements of prizes in cash. When it comes to condemning someone, we burn public and private vehicles, markets, etc, not caring about the destruction we cause in our country. The scene after the murder of Benazir Bhutto in Karachi is still fresh in our minds where properties worth billions of rupees were burnt or looted. The recent case is that of Aisam-ul-Haq. There is no doubt that he has achieved a big victory, but the amount of media hype and receptions at the airport and other places were beyond even his own imagination. His partner Mr Rohan Bopanna of India was also an equal achiever. However, we did not see such hype in India. The governor of Punjab has recommended the country’s highest award for both of them. I wish India would do the same for our player if they present Rohan with the Maha Vir Chakra award. :rotfl: The case of Naseem Hameed was really laudable as it was an individual feat and she belonged to an underprivileged family. But she did not receive as many high profile receptions as Aisam did. May be it is because she belonged to a poor family.
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Pak China cooperation in building submarines, bigger ships war identified: Admiral Noman
After successful completion of construction of three F-22 P Frigates in China, Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Noman Bashir said that Pakistan has identified to China the cooperation in the field of construction of submarine, bigger war ships, acquiring modern weapons and equipments. “We have the history of cooperation in the Navy with China like we have cooperation in all other fields”, said Noman Bashir while talking to media here at a reception on Saturday evening in which Ambassador of Pakistan to China Masood Khan was also present.
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Brad Goodman wrote:Pak China cooperation in building submarines, bigger ships war identified: Admiral Noman
. . . Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Noman Bashir said that Pakistan has identified to China the cooperation in the field of construction of submarine
The submarine being talked about here is likely to be Han-class SSNs.
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shiv wrote: No Pratyush.

SNIP......
But the Pakistan army - that survives on money and support from the USA and China and enjoys goodwill in Pakistan as the protector of Islam and Pakistaniyat from "Hindu India" is the single biggest spoke in the wheel.
I am looking at TSP primarily through the lens of Bangladesh and its economic behavior WRT India. If you have follow that line of thought then what I am thinking will become clear to you.

Otherwise, no disagreements with your line of thinking.
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Neshant wrote: will the US do a bailout.

and if a bailout is in the cards, how can the US refuse a bailout of california or other states and US businesses ? surely American states come well ahead of pakistan on the bailout priority list.

interesting times ahead.
The US does not need to bail TSP out. It is the new best friend of TSP that will bail it out and it is not one of the 3.5.
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^ India?
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Pratyush wrote:
Neshant wrote: will the US do a bailout.

and if a bailout is in the cards, how can the US refuse a bailout of california or other states and US businesses ? surely American states come well ahead of pakistan on the bailout priority list.

interesting times ahead.
The US does not need to bail TSP out. It is the new best friend of TSP that will bail it out and it is not one of the 3.5.
That's exactly what BRF needed.... another user who speaks in short, cryptic sentences. :P
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Miscreants set church on fire in Pakistan http://sify.com/news/miscreants-set-chu ... idfca.html
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Biswas, right on.

Archan, Is there an issue with short sentence. :P
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Karan M wrote:Yeah, cancel a few of those fancy airplanes from Sweden, US, China- but as if Pakistan will ever do this!!
At this rate, soon Mullah Omar will comeout saying he is a CIA/FBI agent negotiating with Taliban for a peace deal in Afghanistan :mrgreen:

The good news for India is that, everyone is a potential CIA/FBI agent :twisted:
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This is beginning to get interesting...PCB is trying to paint itself as victim and trying to scream its way out of the problem.
Conspiracy to defraud Pakistan cricket - Ijaz Butt
A day after the ICC launched a formal investigation into Pakistan's win in the third ODI at The Oval, Ijaz Butt has hit back at what he believes to be a "conspiracy to defraud Pakistan and Pakistan cricket". In an astonishing, prepared statement read out to ESPNcricinfo, the board chairman also indicated that suspicion should be cast on England players from that loss and that the PCB will soon reveal the names of those parties allegedly involved in the conspiracy.

More to follow...
PCB... Please don't disappoint us. Please walk out of the tournament...this way you can claim even the match fixing by the trio is part of the conspiracy and erase it from your collective memory.

[Added Later]
Ok. More details have followed.
"We feel the media in certain countries is biased and not fair. We feel august cricket bodies are also involved in this conspiracy, which will damage the great game of cricket."
"I will be revealing names of people and organisations who are involved in this, so I don't want to comment more on the investigations just now. Details will come out only once our investigations are complete."
So it is all just impotent anger and feelings. No proof as usual.
Butt's comments may well signal the final nail in the coffin of the PCB's relationship with the ICC, if they have not completely broken down already.
I doubt it though. PCB, like the rest of pakistan is always in begging mode. The next time they smell a little bit of money they will conveniently forget all the H&D stuff and start embracing the "interest of the game".
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National Bird is not taking off on Sundays too

US missile strike kills 5 militants in Pakistan
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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Pakistan seems to be in a serious energy crisis
http://www.upi.com/Science_News/Resourc ... 284723390/
Pakistan on the brink of an energy crisis?
Published: Sept. 17, 2010 at 7:36 AM

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan, Sept. 17 (UPI) -- Pakistan is bracing for a major shortage of petroleum products as the Pakistan State Oil company moves closer to a financial emergency, a source suggested.

PSO is on the verge of defaulting on its international payments as $190 million in debt is due to foreign suppliers. An official at the company told Pakistan's English-language Dawn newspaper that PSO was considering canceling a significant amount of oil imports.

"The situation is very bad," the source said. "It has never been like this."

Irfan Qureshi, the managing director at the company, in a series of "urgent letters" sent Thursday warned government ministries that the country was on the verge of a major energy crisis, the source added.

Islamabad was warned that PSO is unable to make its payments to refineries and exhausted its financing for future supplies.

The PSO source added that Pakistan was already short of diesel, furnace oil, jet fuel and gasoline.

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... efault-790
“Patchwork will not work. I have demanded payment of Rs148 billion to resolve the circular debt issue on a permanent basis,” he said.

But the problem does not end here because the state-run oil company does not have cash to meet Rs4 billion worth of letters of credit payable to foreign suppliers. It rolled over the LC from banks for three days till Monday when Pepco and the federal government are to release about Rs15 billion. More serious still, the future supplies remain uncertain.

Confronted with a payment of over Rs149 billion, the PSO on Friday deferred award of 10 cargoes of furnace oil import meant for the power sector in October and November.

The power sector needs about 1,100,000 to 1,200,000 tons of furnace oil in the two winter months. Hubco and Kapco consume about 5,000 tons and 2,500 tons to meet their generation requirement.

Mr Qureshi said his company needed at least Rs24 billion to make payment to the Pakistan Refinery Limited which could close down next week because of cash constraints making it unable to pay for crude.

PSO said Hubco owed it over Rs56 billion on account of furnace oil supplies and Kapco Rs28 billion.

“PSO has exhausted its resources for financing future product supplies from imports and refineries and PSO have not been able to make timely payments to suppliers because of non-payment from the power sector. Total receivables of PSO stand at Rs149 billion,” it said.

On their part, Hubco and Kapco have to recover over Rs50 billion from state-owned Pakistan Electric Power Company (Pepco) and as a result they have failed to clear their dues. The sources said the petroleum minister and PSO chief Irfan Qureshi had declined all requests from the power and finance ministries to resume fuel supplies to power plants, saying the government intervention has always resulted in increasing the debt, instead of reducing it.

As a result, the entire oil supply chain from imports to refineries and on to marketing companies were suffering because of inefficiencies and bad management of the power sector.
Nuke power plants anyone? :P :roll:
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^

I would any day support made-in-china nuke plants to made-in-china nuke bums for TSP.

The former contains the damage to TSP :twisted:
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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How can the PA talk about using Afghanistan for Strategic Depth when Pakistan can't afford normal peacetime operations?

Having Afghanistan as a realistic option for a PA rear base would entail having:

* Weapons
* Ammunition
* Parts for trucks, tanks, aircraft etc.
* Fuel reserves


procured and protected in depots across the border.

Even if Pakistan could afford the above, those depots would be very tempting targets for the Taliban to raid.

As shiv has pointed out, the Pakistanis can't afford to pay for the energy supplies in normal times, much less afford to build a strategic reserve.
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shiv wrote:Pakistan seems to be in a serious energy crisis
http://www.upi.com/Science_News/Resourc ... 284723390/
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I has posted a related article yesterday and my analysis was that Pakis are heading straight towards hyper inflation. I mean not the official paki figures of 20% its going to be much worse than that. I dont think 3.5 will do anything to arrest that slide. 3.5 are always looking for some tangible gain when ever they help pakis. So cheena will demand some more mines and ports. Unkil will look for way out of AfPak that it can claim victory not sure what SA is looking for at the moment perhaps it will ask for a bum or two to be transferred before a new bailout is released.
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MS Angelina Jolie is fida on our TFTA groper prime minister wait till she sees our jernails

Angelina Jolie enamored with looks of PM Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani
ISLAMABAD: Hollywood celebrity and United Nations Goodwill Ambassador for Refugees Angelina Jolie was so overwhelmed by the looks of Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani that she strongly recommended him for Hollywood screen but in the same breath said that Gilani, as the leader of his nation, was doing an even better job.
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Brad Goodman wrote:
shiv wrote:Pakistan seems to be in a serious energy crisis
http://www.upi.com/Science_News/Resourc ... 284723390/
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I has posted a related article yesterday and my analysis was that Pakis are heading straight towards hyper inflation. I mean not the official paki figures of 20% its going to be much worse than that. I dont think 3.5 will do anything to arrest that slide. 3.5 are always looking for some tangible gain when ever they help pakis. So cheena will demand some more mines and ports. Unkil will look for way out of AfPak that it can claim victory not sure what SA is looking for at the moment perhaps it will ask for a bum or two to be transferred before a new bailout is released.

The buggers have scraped thru.


http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... rs12bn-990
Power crunch averted as PSO gets Rs12bn
By Ahmad Fraz Khan and Kalbe Ali
Sunday, 19 Sep, 2010


The PSO supplies around 6,500 tons of petrol daily around 45 per cent of the countrywide demand. – File Photo
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LAHORE / ISLAMABAD: A major power crisis was averted on Saturday after the federal government released Rs12 billion to Pakistan State Oil (PSO), which, in turn, restored oil supplies to the power sector, especially the Hub Power Company (Hubco) and Kot Addu Power Company (Kapco).

Apart from the federal transaction, the ministry of Water and Power and the Pakistan Electric Power Company (Pepco) have promised to pay Rs24 billion and Rs3 billion next week, bringing the total payments to Rs39 billion.

The PSO also informed the ministry of petroleum that the petrol supply position would start improving by Monday. The supplies were delayed because of problems arising out of floods and Eid holidays.
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This is how they got the money
ISLAMABAD: The federal authorities have deducted Rs8.224 billion from the Karachi Port Trust as income tax for 2008 and 2009 at the end of the 2009-10 fiscal year.
A KPT official told Dawn that because of shortage of funds the federal government had been eyeing financially viable organisations. “Throughout its history of 100 years, the KPT never paid any kind of taxes, leave alone income tax. The federal government, through manipulation, has transferred the funds, and we have moved the SHC for retrieving the money,” he said.

The official said that if the federal government wanted to tax the KPT it should also provide development grants :rotfl: :rotfl: to the trust. He added that the move would force the KPT to increase port charges.
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Report speculating that there is 80% chance TSP will strike during CWG. Questions I have are the following:

1) Will TSP just attack, and sit behind and laught their asses off as India gets humiliated and embarassed?

2) Will TSP send some kind of a message. I am not sure it will bring in Kashmir, because the white boys might then start associating Kashmiri Muslims with terrorism, not a good outcome for TSP. But then again like LET spokesman David Miliband did post Mumbai, the western reports might actually show sympathy and say unless Kashmir is resolved, the white west, God's own people, will be under attack. Exactly the response TSP would be hoping for.

3) To play it safe, TSP might instruct its proxies to rake in Gujarat or some other Muslim grievance in India. This might get the best response from the west from TSP's POV. "Extremism" is a "South Asia" problem and must be addressed by the "international community". Gautam Nivukula, Arundati Roy, Ananga Chattarji will be hosted by Fareed Zakariah on CNN talking about evil Hindus.
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CRamS wrote:Report speculating that there is 80% chance TSP will strike during CWG. Questions I have are the following:
Major attack and spectacular attack on important national targets
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