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Jeeehard!!!!!! I am not holding a 5 inch phone to my ear :(( :(( I will defend the citadel to the last bullet, last breath. Jai Mahakali!!!!!!!

Fruit Co. will have more episodes of downhill skiing and giving-in-to market pressure now becoz there is no person with strong convictions in the design space now. I will however give fruit co credit for the iPad mini design. It has a larger screen than the nexus 7 yet feels the same size due to thinner bezel area while also being thinner and lighter.

For the life of me I can't figure out why the onscreen keyboard in Android and iOS doesn't have left/right arrow keys. Its a pain-da-butt to edit a single character in the middle of a sentence in a long post when you have to tap on a letter precisely. More of a problem with Android given the wide variance in touch sensor precision. This is one thing they need to borrow from the win8 onscreen keyboard.
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^ or install some other keyboard.
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Marten wrote:Why not drag the blue cursor around instead?
Doesn't work always and sometimes leads to selecting the text which is not what I want. This is a real problem with most capacitive touch sensors. Fruit Co. doesn't have this problem becoz they only have limited device range and they always use the highest end touch sensor solution which they tune extensively so one typically gets the desired accuracy of hitting the right character. In Android the problem is due to a wide variance in touch sensitivity in their devices though I am having the problem on my Nexus7. In Win8 case, one of the first things Mickey mandated was a very stringent touch sensitivity requirement for HW OEMs to meet (a major cause of delay amongst OEMs and mucho :(( :(( ) but the Win8 on-screen kb also has the arrow keys for accurate navigation.
anmol wrote:^ or install some other keyboard.
Any suggestions, which one has arrow keys along equal/better performance as the stock kb in JB? - just need left/right. This needs to be in their stock keyboard.
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Chacha's glasses-like product:

Vuzix M100 Smart Glasses (runs Android)

I am not sure if this is the one which uses the waveguide lens which GB showed off 2-3 years ago for their glasses device.
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Raja Bose wrote:Jeeehard!!!!!! I am not holding a 5 inch phone to my ear :(( :(( I will defend the citadel to the last bullet, last breath. Jai Mahakali!!!!!!!
I still go lol looking at some of these note2's and larger Android phones. I find my i5 with its hard add on cover to be bulky and an embarrassment to look at. But, what do I know? I am still old school.

Now, what will be exciting is if, they can figure a way to make the idea of a phone that has to to lugged to your ears disappear! Possibilities are, produce a blue tooth device, that attaches to your shirt and for private conversation, I can switch it and put it in my ears. This should be small enough to disappear into by ears and cheap to replace. Provide seamless integration so that the phone's interface and apps can pop into a laptop/desktop and can be used seamlessly. Better integration of phone's interface with a car's display - I think this integration is in its infancy now. If they can pull these things off, I would not mind being my "phone" - smaller!! The word smart should get a new definition, I find most phones to be pretty dumb - from an end user's perspective. I mean by today's standards, how many "normal" end users have their contacts between their phones and desktops/laptops synced accurately and maintained that way, without fretting in their pants?
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^ ShauryaT garu

+1.

They should comeup with a good/strong enough tablet that one can take with them and plug into car so it will become in-car entertainment/navigation/phone blah blah system and when connected to PC, acts
like a laptop with cloud/distributed computing etc.m

I would call it Atman(TM) the consciousness behind reality :)
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RamaY wrote: They should comeup with a good/strong enough tablet that one can take with them and plug into car so it will become in-car entertainment/navigation/phone blah blah system
That's already there, coming to a car near you in the near future. :mrgreen: The dumb laptop dock idea doesn't work due to economic reasons - Motor Oil was the last one to bite the dust with their Atrix dock as I had chankianly predicted on this dhaaga. :P
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Why so ji? Even for corp customers? What is the problem?
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The BOM cost is the killer (the parts which make a dumb dock "smart" are also some of the least expensive parts in the BOM). Hence, for the same price you can get a full-fledged laptop. And now with Mickey and Fruit Co's convergence strat-e-jee, you don't need to plug in your phone to act like a laptop - they are synced anyways in terms of data, e-mail, content (unlike the manual syncing of yore). Android and Bibi also do the same to an extent but they lack the desktop/PC side of the platform hence, won't be integrated as well (Chacha should have pushed much harder with ChromeOS+Docs when Mickey was still fumbling badly). So the advantages of a dock wither away unless someone comes up with some other advantage.
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I dont have the link but fujitsu is allegedly working on some kind of swiss knife device that is a phone, tablet, camera and laptop in a "plug n play" manner and share their storage locally.
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Most likely it will end up being a jack of all trades, master of none. Fujitsu (thru FXPAL and others) and Ricoh have a tradition of coming up with such devices.
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ok so its not a real product but a concept created by a indian architect turned industrial designer. both the fujitsu concept and his bio is in this link
http://www.slashgear.com/fujitsu-lifebo ... -25210621/

good to see indics coming up with such "design" ideas which hitherto had been the sole province of the goras and japan/korea.

camera in that pic is doing nothing other than getting charged and downloading, this is better accomplished by a surface charging mat and wifi automated download imho. wifi can also upg the firmware as cameras become increasingly androish 8)
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Eye Eye Tea Bee has a good design program. Industrial designers are still amongst the lowest paid in the ITvity industry (Bay Area avg is like $75K) which is surprising for me becoz they have way more skills than an average software monkey.
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NID ahmedabad is well known too...

mainly these things need a good domestic manufacturing and product design env and people will come forward..we have tons of creative people just not enough good work for everyone.
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Raja Bose wrote:.... Industrial designers are still amongst the lowest paid in the ITvity industry (Bay Area avg is like $75K) which is surprising for me becoz they have way more skills than an average software monkey.
OT.
75K CTC for what kind of edu. qualifications and work ex ji? For an Industrial Engineer with a Massalalnd MS and about 3-5 yrs work ex that would be a decent salary even in SF no? :-?
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Anand K wrote:
Raja Bose wrote:.... Industrial designers are still amongst the lowest paid in the ITvity industry (Bay Area avg is like $75K) which is surprising for me becoz they have way more skills than an average software monkey.
OT.
75K CTC for what kind of edu. qualifications and work ex ji? For an Industrial Engineer with a Massalalnd MS and about 3-5 yrs work ex that would be a decent salary even in SF no? :-?
$75K PA for Bay area is minimum wage!
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Anand K wrote:
Raja Bose wrote:.... Industrial designers are still amongst the lowest paid in the ITvity industry (Bay Area avg is like $75K) which is surprising for me becoz they have way more skills than an average software monkey.
OT.
75K CTC for what kind of edu. qualifications and work ex ji? For an Industrial Engineer with a Massalalnd MS and about 3-5 yrs work ex that would be a decent salary even in SF no? :-?
Not 75k CTC Saar, 75k salary. Industrial designer != industrial engineer though that wage number for either would be low in the chi-chi bay area. And what's worse is that 75k is for folks who work for named folks like Frog design or Ideo and come out of the MS design programme at the Art Center or RISD - these are top 2 schools. Thankfully, one can circumvent that by embedding designers as part of advanced development so top-end staff designers such as those in Genevieve Bell's ChipZ outfit, chacha's X and Mickey's stealth projects division do earn as much as their code monkey brethren.
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Raja Bose wrote:
Marten wrote:Why not drag the blue cursor around instead?
Doesn't work always and sometimes leads to selecting the text which is not what I want. This is a real problem with most capacitive touch sensors. Fruit Co. doesn't have this problem becoz they only have limited device range and they always use the highest end touch sensor solution which they tune extensively so one typically gets the desired accuracy of hitting the right character. In Android the problem is due to a wide variance in touch sensitivity in their devices though I am having the problem on my Nexus7. In Win8 case, one of the first things Mickey mandated was a very stringent touch sensitivity requirement for HW OEMs to meet (a major cause of delay amongst OEMs and mucho :(( :(( ) but the Win8 on-screen kb also has the arrow keys for accurate navigation.
anmol wrote:^ or install some other keyboard.
Any suggestions, which one has arrow keys along equal/better performance as the stock kb in JB? - just need left/right. This needs to be in their stock keyboard.
SwiftKey?
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- Costco had a Smasung Galaxy Note 10.1" for ~ $330.
- Prius V has a navigation system with apps fed by phone data plan.:Traffic, Pandora etc.
- One of these days it will be Atman.
- RB why don't you use Blue tooth or 3mm phone jack/

I see a lot of uses where a large phone tablet would supplant both devices.
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BT/phone jack for what? :-?

BhairavP, thanks for the suggestion.
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The Nexus 4 is available again in the US on Google Play. Get them while you can.
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Microsoft surface jailbreak tool from xda forum
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthr ... ?t=2092158
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Am now using the pacman from this sdre
http://www.blindndumb.com/p/pacman-downloads.html

has lot of options fun to use, :mrgreen:
Now my htc inspire has a phablet mode screen etc.
lot of goodies etc to play with


From xda again, android 4.2 has been released.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthr ... ?t=1778202
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Mort Walker wrote:The Nexus 4 is available again in the US on Google Play. Get them while you can.
Ordered 16GB version today thru Kampany Bahadur. Shipping is delayed by a week. Total lack of planning by Yell-Jee sourcing (or they got muscled out like HTC from gathering components by Fruit Co., Sammy and GB).
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I wonder how long these stocks will last.
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Raja Bose wrote:
Mort Walker wrote:The Nexus 4 is available again in the US on Google Play. Get them while you can.
Ordered 16GB version today thru Kampany Bahadur. Shipping is delayed by a week. Total lack of planning by Yell-Jee sourcing (or they got muscled out like HTC from gathering components by Fruit Co., Sammy and GB).
joo hab too many gadgets. are joo writing reviews or having what?? :mrgreen:
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RB mullah is harnessing vibrating motors from all those phones for L&M purposes :mrgreen:
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He is building a Beuwolf cluster out of all these gadgets :wink:
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One can never habh too many gadgets.

Gadgets:Mard::Shoes::Wimmens. :mrgreen:

Anyways they don't belong to me and I dont pay for them plus cost is not an issue with KB so Holi manao!
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Rb seems to run a competitor analysis lab for k bahadur. Every phone or display is piled up in his cube along with war surplus b52 parts, jassm sensors, hellfire atgm comtrol units, well thumbed copies of 'certain' mags too going by his vast l&m insights...
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Prasad wrote:RB mullah is harnessing vibrating motors from all those phones for L&M purposes :mrgreen:
he is inventing perhaps .. from playing music on vibration to vary them to get the max-Os, all from remote kantroll.

i read some brit had a truck load of devices as his driveway pavement. not a bad thought, considering env waste.
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5" phones are the dum biryani of this season..available at every corner..this time from Lava.

http://www.themobileindian.com/reviews/ ... a-Iris-501

karbonn and lava are said to be readying quad core models for launch soon.

the dust will settle in a few months when the initial teething issues are solved and prices slide from 15k down to around 12k *licks lips and darts back into cave*
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the way MMX , karbonn, lava seem to operate is they go to a cheen ODM and say "give me these specs, for this price and I will order 200,000 units". WolfConn builds and ships them here, some UI customization and testing is done and it goes on sale as the next white hope model.

few months later stock is exhausted everywhere and by that time things have moved on. a better spec is available for same price. so these out of stock models are never likely to be in stock again or offer any kind of spare parts if you develop a problem. Wolfconn is busy building 200K of the next speced up model , and the old model is quietly EOLed on the website. there are a LOT of out of stock models on flipkart that will never come alive again probably.

so I think it works out well for the use and throw 2 yr model , which is what people these days do...not the old "I will keep the phone for 5 yrs" nokia 1110 days.
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Actually even you as a single 1-man company mango abdul can go to Shenzhen and tell mama-san in one of the little shops - "this is my wish list. let's talk price" (no, not the Lalmullah wishlist, you kaffirs! :evil: ). You will get your "custom" phone in a week along with printed packaging and even fake branding if you so desire. Making phones in Shenzhen is like assembling a desktop PC in Nehru Place.
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I thought lalmullah wishes only one thing from a gizmo.

Heck, I can't understand this locking to a service provider on the devices? can't the environmentalist take this into their wishlist account?
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Joo mullahs were way too trigger happy in jumping on my innocent Nexus 4 order thru KB. :P :P I canceled my order coz device library apparently already had a ton of 'em and supplied me with the devices and sims overnight. :mrgreen:
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okay, we believe you.
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Bose babu: What's your take on the naya Kaalaberry ?
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After Fruit Co., they are the only ones with any significant rabidly loyal following. In Fruit Co.'s case its the yuppies and hipsters. In Bibi's case it is the suits. So I wouldn't write off Bibi right now becoz what they have pulled together is quite impressive given what they have been going thru. Now whether a sunroof lever is in Bibi's future, we will have to see after 1 calendar year.

For BB10, Bibi seems to have extensively copied from the MeeGo/Maemo6 UI flows and design....I guess 10 comes after (N)9.
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Thanks!
Raja Bose wrote:Now whether a sunroof lever is in Bibi's future, we will have to see after 1 calendar year.
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